Which Aerodrome Mk III

[dook]

Golf Clement-Ader.

[Self loading bear]

I thought you were out of this?
but correct

Clement Ader (not Adler) with his batlike Eole.

He hopped about 50 metres far at less than 30 centimeters height.
at Gretz-Armainvilliers
Later he made the Avion.Which word is the only thing remaining from his contributions to aviation.
The greatest acheivement were his very light steam engines.
He also envisioned Air bombing and aircraft carriers.

over to dook

[dook]

I checked out because I had nothing to work with other than I needed to translate something not understood. It seems I wasn't the only one.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x369/sat_2__9581065e27e42c4d3fa596c13d9cb06353a00ea5.jpg

[Kemble Pitts]

Bottom one looks like a Fokker Trimotor, maybe the original Schiphol?

[dook]

Not Schiphol KP.

[Auxtank]

One excellent Summer's Eve cocktail party later...Hic...

Valkenburg Navy

[dook]

I have consulted my large scotch and it says not there either.

[Auxtank]

Umm, okay, change of Services from sea to land - I'm going to go with Braaschaat Army to the South of the previous suggestion.

[dook]

Oh dear - not Belgium either.

[Auxtank]

Enschede Twenthe?

Am I unwittingly fixated on Holland?

Or am I deprived of my wits by above mentioned cocktail party?

[dook]

Get away from Holland.

[Auxtank]

In that case - the control tower tacked on to the North-East corner of the thoroughly avant-garde looking Hangar leads my wits towards France?

[dook]

Wrong direction.

[Auxtank]

Then my wits have deserted - it's been a heavy weekend - what with the cricket and the cocktail party.
I must withdraw for now but NOTAM well you change of NAV heading in regards to the Target.

Time to settle the missus down with some cheese on toast and retire me to my study and a quiet libation of a glass containing elements, not inconsequential to the mind, of the Isle of Jura - which happens to be my particular poison.

Good Night Dear dook (thorough-bred bastion of the "What Aerodrome Thread").
For now...

[dook]

Funny old thing - I have just finishes a malt too.

The Rolls Royce of whiskies.

I am off also.

[dook]

Has everyone gone away - perhaps to Germany ?

[Self loading bear]

I have located the hangar but still searching for the tower

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1136x634/9a045d91_6803_4442_8271_088cce99dccb_f16421cd232f40d86ccc1d5 0ae2d87ca10899339.jpeg

[Auxtank]

Excellent SLB - that is pretty much the hangar.

I was going to say Germany earlier today but I have been watching the cricket in mute horror at the Oz batting triumph which has put paid to any chance of getting one up on them in the first test.

Shot in the dark; Nordholz?

[dook]

If you mean Nordholz north of Bremerhaven that's way too far north.

We are in what was the DDR.

How's your head today ?

[Auxtank]

If you mean Nordholz north of Bremerhaven that's way too far north.

We are in what was the DDR.

How's your head today ?

Fragile - Hair of the dog beckons.

Umm, too far North eh? I shall look again.

[dook]

The caption attached to this very rare photo indicates that it was a Junkers photo.

The airfield is still in use.

[dook]

GE view.....


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/650x448/here_fddeba19c0ceff3f87006da14750aafb520c828b.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Flughafen Erfurt
I then found this on their website

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x533/bc5ac414_ac55_4fae_af40_64575b962295_d9cfb677df08c9b913b7049 2cad5520fcb11a834.jpeg

Edit: sorry I have to call OH

[dook]

Nicely researched Bear.

The Bear has called OH.

[mgahan]

I was recently offered a fabric hanger for my new apron so someone thinks they are useful these days. This airport is unlikely to have a fabric hanger these days.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x576/fabric_hanger_aeb4568dd78056a2088e117db73a777bd3d107dd.jpg

[India Four Two]

The 504 (K?) initially fooled me into thinking this was the UK but a little research took me down under. Mascot?

[mgahan]

Good research. Mascot it is or as it was: certainly doesn't look like this today with fence posts and barbed wire.

MJG

[India Four Two]

Sorry for the delay chaps. I was flying.

Where's this?


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/539x395/wad_2019_08_05_390d5796be6807746d27b592c8289b8e6a817df4.jpg

[India Four Two]

The long runway runs NE-SW.

There is no trace of this airfield on GE.

[dook]

Three runways in triangular layout suggest RAF Bomber Command.

Long main runway NE-SW.

I'll shoot for UK, probably Lincolnshire.

[dook]

Easier than I thought.

Here's a good find.


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[Auxtank]

Bl**dy Hell dook. Is there no stopping you?

I'm going to spend a bit time assembling a fiendishly clever challenge with which I shall lurk, awaiting OH.

That is all.

[Asturias56]

I've found that posting anything genuinely informative means the challenge only last about 10 seconds - you can either go the tourist route posting odd pictures of the area around the challenge ( a series of "McDonald of the World" or "Great and Not So Great Airport Hotels") or post no pictures at all and give out a series of hideously twisted cryptic clues

these seem to stretch the challenge out to 24 hours max............... :ok:

[dook]

When I post a challenge the aim is not for it to remain for 24 hours.

I consider a challenge to be "successful" when someone solves it.

Auxtank,

"fiendishly clever challenge" eh ?

I can do that too, but I prefer to be straightforward.

[Asturias56]

I prefer the tough ones TBH - and long ones give a chance for more people across different time zones and work hours a chance to get involved - which I think improves the experience

A series of quickly solved challenges is hard to keep up with as well - I can't always have PPrune always open for example

Plus I learn so much from the thought processes and immense knowledge of posters when they explain their reasoning for a guess/answer rather than just give a name/location

[dook]

A good argument.

[Auxtank]

I admit I do enjoy a good search with the odd clue being dropped by the poster. It's a chance to learn something you didn't know about a whole new piece of the Earth. The Russian one not long ago was excellent.

I wouldn't change Which Aerodrome? - I think it works well.

[dook]

Since it is 0500 local in Calgary I think we'll have to wait a while.

[India Four Two]

dook is correct on two counts. Firstly it is RAF Skellingthorpe and secondly I was asleep!

I had never heard of this airfield, which is now the Lincoln suburb of Birchwood. Some of the roads on the west side are named after other RAF stations.

dook has control

[dook]

Thank you I42.

There is a memorial to the airfield in the town.

For those who like la chasse....


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[Asturias56]

Looks a bit temporary to me - is that a B-17 in the background?

[evansb]

Walker AAF, Kansas, U.S.A. ?

[dook]

Not Walker and it is a B17.

[dook]

Well, let's see if it helps.

[evansb]

Ainsworth AAF, Nebraska ?

[dook]

Not Nebraska.

[JENKINS]

Watch for the sting in the tail. Rattlesnake, Texas. Quite a name, aka Pyote.

[Auxtank]

Clouds look Pacific. Some atoll somewhere?

[dook]

Nicely done J.

Also known as Pyote.

Your take-off.

[Auxtank]

Cancel that about the clouds then...

[dook]

If JENKINS goes OH, which I doubt, get yer fiendish one ready.

[Auxtank]

Not ready - not sufficiently fiendish for "the dook" ...yet.

[JENKINS]

Thanks, so no holds bard, try this.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1440x1080/earth_postcard_1565028308_c43363e9860158e01f1934d0f032ffb1d6 8efa7f.jpg

[dook]

Is that bard as in Shakespeare ? :E

[Auxtank]

Right.
Shakespeare country.

[JENKINS]

Clue too easy!

[Auxtank]

RAF Atherstone my Liege.

[evansb]

Regarding Pyote "Rattlesnake" AAF Texas, I have noticed that "Airfields-Freeman Abandoned and Little Known Airfields" web site uses the same photo of the WW.II flight line for Walker AAF Kansas, as Wikipedia uses for Pyote, Texas.

[JENKINS]

Yes to Atherstone, and to its later name. The central building complex within the disused field was a very useful known point for murky low-level days.

All yours. Interesting Evans point, Pyote very large.

[Auxtank]

Yeah verily, Open House.

"For I have greater work henceforth to book,
To confound and beguile the mighty dook."

(See what I did with Iambic Pentameter there?)

[Asturias56]

Don't think this will last very long....​​​​​​​ this airfield has had a very long and very strange (to me anyway) history. Wm Shakespeare never used it as far as I know
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/251x105/2019_08_06_110251_7b184ccea804537296078de80a093f7e91cfce44.j pg

[dook]

Auxtank,

Confucius he say " always have something ready up sleeve".

You're a poet and don't know it. ;)

[Auxtank]

Asters' game plan works well; post as tiny a pic as you can.

Looks like a C182 - so, still in use?

@dook - definitely - always useful on those occasions (myriad) when I've had to sing for my supper in some godforsaken place.

[Asturias56]

I believe it is still in use but only very occasionally .............................. it was quite busy for some of it's life................

[Auxtank]

Je pense nous sommes en France (avec, le weird funny barriers closing off the RWY behind the Skylane).

[dook]

Maybe the Italian coast.

[kcockayne]

Based on the William Shakespeare reference - Stratford upon Avon ?

[Auxtank]

Based on the William Shakespeare reference - Stratford upon Avon ?





Good deduction. However, we've moved on to the next one which is the tiny photo posted by Asturias56 a few posts above.

@dook; looks like Asters has "nipped out". (Unannounced - which is most uncharacteristic! - what a Chinaman would call - in a game of Mahjong - A Hidden Pong!)

[dook]

As in a wee nip methinks.

[Auxtank]

Bang on target.
It's not a bad idea at that.
Cheers!

[Auxtank]

Asturias - I think we might be in Normandy.

[Self loading bear]

Haverfordwest Airport
aka.
Maes Awyr Hwlffordd
Withybush Airport

[dook]

I obviously don't drink enough !

[Asturias56]

Sorry Comrades - I was diverted without access to t'internet last night

No its NOT Haverdford West (tho it is not far from the sea nor is it Normandy

Dates back over 100 years................

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/237x181/2019_08_06_110332_6b890b94cc8252e5bf6dfbd0c17c25ffa1164a83.j pg
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[dook]

Those uniforms look like WW1 French, so is it in France ?

[Asturias56]

Non, mais le français était parlé ici avec beaucoup d'autres langues

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[dook]

I have looked again and maybe the uniforms are American.

[Asturias56]

Yup! Some of Uncle Sam's finest (& earliest) - but not just Americans..........

[Auxtank]

Afrique du Nord?

[dook]

Not just Americans you say.

Do I see Brits also ?

edit: Now I have looked at your second pilots image and I think the kit is from WW2 and is British Navy.

The plot thickens.

[Asturias56]

It does indeed - here's a slightly less cropped picture..................... and not N Africa................ tho units who served here also served in N Africa I believe

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/414x321/2019_08_06_110422_403bb42b32eeb6c3e2eb078928eeb590ae37aaed.j pg

[dook]

Ah - a British officer.

So,

Americans & Brits together WW1
Royal Navy WW2.

I think we could be in UK.

Putting all this together and looking further.

[Asturias56]

Could be, could be

At one time these operated there but not RN

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/467x352/2019_08_07_093350_5cd7a1e5f31425c38770bf4b6f8ccd482074b701.j pg

[Asturias56]

"Ah - a British officer."

memo to Asturias - No aeroplanes, no duffle coats in future............................

[dook]

…..or what appears to be a DH10....

[Auxtank]

"Most every day we have a crash or two,
That's why we are so short of men,
So if you want to take a trip to Heaven quick,
You've only got to fly a D.H.10"

Middle East somewhere?

[dook]

Got it !

HMS Jackdaw, Crail, Scotland.

[Asturias56]

Yes - also No 27 Training Depot Station (USAAF Sq 120, RAF 104 Sq, HMS Bruce, The Black Watch, St Andrews Univ Air Sq, Joint Services School for Linguists & the E of Scotland Cart Club....... Dook has it ..................

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x197/2019_08_06_110446_3dd1f271efc3f57adc0bec52b102b546adb59a68.j pg
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[dook]

That was not easy.

One aeroplane here but no duffle coats.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x389/wed_4f137432f609f4fd7550a3b334126f70f47b09a5.jpg

[Asturias56]

That a river tot the right?

And which way is North please?

It has a N American look to it I feel.......................

[dook]

It is a river and north is to the left.

Not USA though.

[Asturias56]

Hmmm so could be Canada?

[dook]

Not in Canada either.

[dook]

Another view - a bit busier.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x324/again_26b1625142e2073970d4a3050f290f1211aced93.jpg

[Asturias56]

Netherlands? looks a bit flat................

[dook]

This place certainly isn't flat !

[ea200]

Is that the Rhine? Austria?

[Asturias56]

Well it doesn't look like Ladakh so I'll go for Switzerland.....................

[dook]

ea200 has the right country.

[Asturias56]

Reichenau air field (Flugplatz Reichenau) after ea200's great lead............... replaced by Innsbruck

OH if correct

[dook]

Innsbruck it is.

OH then.

[Asturias56]

https://www.forgottenairfields.com/airfield-reichenau-253.html

has it in Austria with your picture central........................... it's also the old "Innsbruck"

[dook]

Ta - I've just discovered that and posted the OH above.

[Asturias56]

A Vickers Virginia? Out East I guess..................

[Asturias56]

Belay that - I think it's a Vickers Victoria - fuselage shape....................... or a Victoria Mk V = Valentia - some served with the Indian Air Force pre-war..................

[Auxtank]

Close on the aircraft Asters.
Phone call first thing this morning means I'm going to be unable to attend the Thread for today and tomorrow at least.
So will re-post over the weekend.

[dook]

Does that mean you wish to back to OH ?

Surely we don't want a dead thread for two days at least.

[Asturias56]

or even a Vernon........................

[dook]

But where's the big bulbous nose and extended ailerons ?

[dook]

Gentlemen,

Auxtank has removed his challenge photograph so we are back to OH.

[Asturias56]

But where's the big bulbous nose and extended ailerons ?


no need to get personal................... :ok:

[Asturias56]

I guess AUx gets control when he says he's back - maybe the next OH after he's back??

Ok - try try again again - not sure we've had a challenge from here recently ...............

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/301x198/2019_07_30_170446_853d33cf70c725bca95387e6ddcb27a4a644008e.j pg

[Asturias56]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/373x342/2019_07_30_171007_23c18bd75dbd0e13d75985d3cec19c3855da1fdc.j pg

[dook]

If I happen to have a challenge up when Auxtank returns I shall remove it and let him in.

I think that would be the fairest way of playing it.

[dook]

"UH-60 Blackhawk delivering aid" brings up the image.

Punta Arenas, Costa Rica.

[Asturias56]

Afraid I got that image from another airfield - well the one shown with the mountains - which isn't in Costa Rica

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[dook]

How interesting.

My answer came from a military site Joint Task Force-Bravo.

Beneath the photograph it says:

A U.S. Navy sailor deployed to the U.S.N.S. Comfort guides in a UH-60 Blackhawk carrying medical equipment and supplies July 21, 2019, Punta Arenas, Costa Rica. Pilots and aircrew assigned to the 1st Battalion, 228th Aviation transported personnel and equipment to allow the U.S. Naval Ship Comfort to provide medical care to Costa Rican citizens and Venezuelan migrants as part of the United States enduring promise of helping its southern neighbors. The Winged Warriors transported more than 470 people and 20 tons of cargo from July 21 - 30.

[dook]

Something is clearly incorrect in one of the sites.

I have researched JTF-Bravo helicopters in South America and Soto Cano comes up quite a bit.

So is that it ?

[Asturias56]

Just back from wining and dining a US client...............

Yes its Base Aérea Cnel. Jose Enrique Soto Cano, Palmerola, Comayagua, Honduras

Big US base and shortly to be the new regional airport

Dook has control in the midnight hour......................


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[dook]

Grazie Asturias.

That was a search minefield.

Danger - aeroplanes...


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[Asturias56]

Ford Trimotor and what might be an early Beech 17 on the right

USA?

[dook]

USA is correct.

[Asturias56]

looks like it might have been some sort of Air Race kicking off - Cleveland Hopkins Airport?

[dook]

There were air races there but this photo was not of an air race.

There were a few air displays there.

It's not Hopkins.

[dook]

………….


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[Asturias56]

use of past tense I see - is the airfield still active?

[dook]

Past tense because we are talking pre-WW2.

Still active, but the name has changed.

[dook]

……….

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x346/capture_d98e2b836c7fc9839772a3e9deb4fde5ce0680db.jpg

[dook]

……….

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/350x344/signs_a_e_390_c0e010cc2393fc10d5cad55bb8618d2ca801429a.png

[Self loading bear]

Then it becomes easy
Bedford Massachusetts

edit New Bedford Regional Airport

[dook]

Why make life difficult.

In 1930, the date of the challenge, it was called Fairhaven.

Time to hand over the thread to you Bear.

[Self loading bear]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/744x724/93d0023b_da0d_4ece_8e7d_cf49edc0232e_a217cbfd4cf3b09e9e7fc5e 1a10f9703fb54f0f4.jpeg
Thanks,

I just found on the web that Fairhaven is not the same as New Bedford Regional.
But thanks anyway.

I fear that this next one might also find mixed results.

[dook]

I gave it to you because one source said they are the same.

Aeroplane ID says Yak.

[dook]

Eastern Front ?

[Self loading bear]

Yak,
I am not aware the Yak flew on another front than the Eastern?

[dook]

I seem to remember some were in Korea and Baku, but that's not the challenge answer.

[dook]

Tula.....?

[Self loading bear]

No Not Tula

[sycamore]

Lt Robert Roger Marchi ,Yak-3 ,White 4,of the Free French `Normandie-Niemen ` Escadrille,with his Russian mechanics,one of whom is having difficulty charging the pneumatics...Eastern Front..13 kills(6 confirmed,7shared)..Killed in air crash 1947...

[dook]

Ivanovo...?

[Self loading bear]

Sycamore is on the right track.
This French Squadron fought at the Eastern front.
Edit:
i need to learn to count
The kills as mentioned by Sycamore do actually count up to the 13
painted on the fuselage.

[dook]

I ask again - Ivanovo ?

[Self loading bear]

Not in Ivanovo

[sycamore]

SLB,( 2x5)+3= 13,or do you add 15% in Euroland....(he did have 2 shared ground kills as well)

[Self loading bear]

Syca,

Apologies
I think I added VAT
13 indeed

[sycamore]

Marchi`s aircraft `White 4` is displayed in Le Bourget museum.....

[Self loading bear]

That is correct
I visited there a week ago.
The same photo is displayed in the dedicated Normandië-Niemen pavilion.

I think however te caption in the museum is wrong.
So Le Bourget is not the place we are looking for.

[sycamore]

Orsha,or Pillau...?????

[Self loading bear]

In the end The Eastern front moved to the west.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1151x680/11560702_8b3f_470a_8094_33e1354ca9e9_78092f793f31eefe157a752 50f5bf2f298f2e0d1.jpeg

[dook]

Is your challenge in Lithuania ?

[Asturias56]

One of these presumably.....................Second World War[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Escadron_de_Chasse_2/30_Normandie-Niemen&action=edit&section=14)]

September 1, 1942 : Riyaq (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riyaq) (Assembling of personnel coming in from different locations)
November 28, 1942 : Ivanovo (Formation)
March 22, 1943 : Polotnyany-Zavod
April 16, 1943 : Mossalsk (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mossalsk&action=edit&redlink=1)
May 20, 1943 : Kozielsk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kozielsk)
June 2, 1943 : Khationki (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Khationki&action=edit&redlink=1)
August 18, 1943 : Gorodietchnia (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gorodietchnia&action=edit&redlink=1)
August 24, 1943 : Spass-Demensk (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spass-Demensk&action=edit&redlink=1)
September 2, 1943 : Michkovo (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michkovo&action=edit&redlink=1)
September 15, 1943 : Barsouki (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barsouki&action=edit&redlink=1)
September 18, 1943 : Filatki (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Filatki&action=edit&redlink=1)
October 5, 1943 : Sloboda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloboda)
November 6, 1943 : Tula (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tula,_Russia)
May 25, 1944 : Doubrovka (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doubrovka&action=edit&redlink=1)
July 15, 1944 : Mikountani (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mikountani&action=edit&redlink=1)
[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escadron_de_Chasse_2/30_Normandie-Niemen#cite_note-22)
July 29, 1944 : Alytus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alytus)
September 18, 1944 : Antonovo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonovo)
[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escadron_de_Chasse_2/30_Normandie-Niemen#cite_note-23)
October 6, 1944 : Sredniki (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sredniki&action=edit&redlink=1)
October 10, 1944 : Antonovo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonovo)
October 22, 1944 : Didvije-sterki (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Didvije-sterki&action=edit&redlink=1)
November 27, 1944 : Gross-Kalweitchen (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gross-Kalweitchen&action=edit&redlink=1)
January 14, 1945 : Dopenen (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dopenen&action=edit&redlink=1)
January 26, 1945 : Gross-Skajsgiren (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gross-Skajsgiren&action=edit&redlink=1)
January 27, 1945 : Labiau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labiau)
February 5, 1945 : Powunden (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Powunden&action=edit&redlink=1)
February 14, 1945 : Wittenberg (East Prussia)
February 25, 1945 : Friedland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravdinsk)
April 7, 1945 : Bladiau (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bladiau&action=edit&redlink=1)
April 13, 1945 : Eylau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagrationovsk)
May 5, 1945 : Bladiau (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bladiau&action=edit&redlink=1)
May 8, 1945 : Heiligenbeil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamonovo)

[Self loading bear]

Not Lithuania

The shatter gun approach of Asturias does cover the approximate date of the photo’s i posted but the places stated are all to far East.

I will wait till after next proposal of any of you before i will reveal what i have found the location.

[dook]

So are we in Poland or Germany by any chance ?

Maybe Stuttgart

[Asturias56]

not a scatter gun but a list of where they were based according to Wikipedia (I know, I know....) - so we didn't have to plough through every WW2 airfield in E Europe.......

Still it's certainly cut down the area!

[sycamore]

I have seen a picture which says `Khaborovsk`,3500nm East....
How about Dubrovka...? as other pics sa it was taken March `45...?

[Self loading bear]

Dook has nailed it to Stuttgart
I have found the photos on the web stating march-june 1945.

Albums of war (http://albumwar2.com/yak-3-fighter-of-the-normandie-niemen-regiment/)

Facebook

dook has Control

[dook]

That link reference is where I found Stuttgart.

No aeroplanes or duffle coats:


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/338x520/lookout_8abd8d47f73e256396d7bd0a9f18621207e6a2bd.jpg

[Self loading bear]

LAX?
i found 2 photos 1950-1956

[dook]

That wasn't a lax search !

Your trigger.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks dook,

Next challenge is further back in time:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1284x611/a19084a7_c743_4c76_bcc7_c2cf7d19605c_60ce0a5f375b552d214cba5 00f3c7378f80f0f77.jpeg

[dook]

I've seen something like that before.

I think it's a Zeppelin hangar.

[dook]

And quickly found - Tonder, Denmark.

[Self loading bear]

Yes Tonder

Tonder raid (http://www.tondernraid.com/tonder.htm).

Interesting raid by RAF from HMS Furious


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1334x750/c9541a5d_47a3_4ae1_9d0e_02bb5382ed6a_6a726a6b7389d68c6d8a0af b97a45a1a5778cdb4.png


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1334x750/25452143_0065_45a9_a7a6_3316e4e5ba99_3247143955df2fb50cd6a84 cd20d72dc9ddf053d.png
dook has the stick again

[dook]

Just for once you've been unlucky !

[dook]

I'll see if I can better my last one.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x470/sat_d99e4391c4b28329fcd5eaad1ea303e3802c474d.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Single engine Planes with dihedral fairly rectangular/tapered wings.
Might be radial engine: Texans?
Therefore an American training base?

[dook]

Not a training base but was American long ago.

Not out tonight ?

[sycamore]

Think they`re F4F Wildcats,;dispersals suggest heavy bombers,B-29s;sandy,tropical,Phillipines..?

What year was it taken...?

[dook]

There were Wildcats there but no heavy bombers were stationed here but did pass through as far as I can ascertain.

Not Phillipines.

Photograph circa 1942.

[Self loading bear]

Then perhaps Panama Albrooks?
no photo proof found.
OH if correct

[dook]

We're not in the Americas at all.

[dook]

Suggest you look in this box...


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/650x410/capture_fd56dd8403cce48ba4c3ff60380acda67b412f8c.jpg

[dook]

Not a single post or question all day.

I shall reveal the answer at 2100 GMT.

[Self loading bear]

I have been looking at Gilbert islands and Gardner island as these gave been American long ago but claimed by U.K. somewhere 1888.
But no succes in matching airbases.

[Dora-9]

Leading with my chin here, but I don't recognize this as an Australian mainland airfield (although the vegetation could be). New Guinea?

[dook]

When I said long age I meant WW2.

The airfield was built by the Americans and is now an international airport.

Quote a way from New Guinea.

[JENKINS]

As far as Noumea? Bit different when I visited in BN2. Perhaps difficult to imagine a cross runway.

[dook]

Yes there.

Take the left seat.

[JENKINS]

Thanks. Only just taken up the cause; it was the Wildcat which swung it, many of the other fields operated F6. While at airport motel, noticed a couple of skydivers deep in a French magazine. On cover was a photo of an occurrence on a lift which I had flown earlier in the year.

Please can I call OH, nothing ready at the moment.

[JENKINS]

But here is one to close the OH. Place I had wanted to visit and failed.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1440x1080/earth_postcard_1565555038_dd31f0a110d73a4dbe0ec318096f6e648d d1f043.jpg

[JENKINS]

Bedtime. I leave you here, at the limits of Empire. I can certainly think of three.

[jensdad]

Pretty sure that neither Hadrian's nor the Antonine Wall is one of the limits of empire you refer to, so that rules out Newcastle, Carlisle or Glasgow :)

I'm thinking Alexander the Great might have reached his limit here. Somewhere in , say, Iran? Or even Afghanistan (the British one found it difficult to keep that place subdued)?

[India Four Two]

jensdad, I'm thinking Kipling country too. Somewhere in the Himalayas?

[jensdad]

The Soviet Empire found its limit in Afghanistan too, but the buildings look a bit too advanced? So yes, could be further East, in the Himalayas. See what Jenkins comes back with in the morning...

[Dora-9]

Dook:

Are you saying that "Noumea" was La Tontouta? Could you have meant Koumac?

Cheers.

[dook]

Tontouta Airfield is located in the municipality of Païta roughly 52 km northwest of Nouméa (https://www.pprune.org/left=https://www.pacificwrecks.com/provinces/new-caledonia_noumea.html) on New Caledonia (https://www.pprune.org/left=https://www.pacificwrecks.com/provinces/new-caledonia.html). Pronounced "La Ton-Two-Ta". Today known as La Tontouta International Airport or Nouméa - La Tontouta International Airport or in French Aéroport de Nouméa - La Tontouta

https://www.pacificwrecks.com/airfields/new_caledonia (https://www.pprune.org/left)

[JENKINS]

You certainly have my Empires. Kipling? By inference if little else. Local population reputed to show strains of Macedonian. A game is reputed to have originated at this place, and perhaps the greatest game so far was played out, if indeed it is played out, in the expanded area. Unlike Newcastle, shirts are de rigueur in the area.

[JENKINS]

Should have added that not Himalayas.

[Dora-9]

Sorry Dook, I know it's done and dusted now but - for what it's worth - I'm still not convinced.

As Jenkins states, it's hard to imagine room for a cross runway at La Tontouta, particular considering the steeply rising terrain a mere1.5 nm from the field (why build a cross runway facing this?). I flew into there often in the 1980's, when the surrounding area was not as developed. Also, the terrain off the runway end doesn't seem to match.

A bit more research, a likely candidate, a much more active US base with cross runaways and terrain that matches is Plaine Des Gaiacs. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Air_Forces_in_the_South_Pacific_Area

[Flap40]

I can't post the screen shots for some reason but if you roll the Google earth date back to 2004 at La Tontouta there does appear to be a disused runway on the SW side alongside the Route de la Base Aero Navale.
If you then take an oblique view of this disused runway looking SW the terrain beyond the 'runway' does seem to match Dook's photo.

[sycamore]

Singoor,kashmir,150 nm NNW of Islamabad........OH if correct......

[JENKINS]

That will do, old bean. My spot is Chitral Airport, and Singoor is a name very closely associated with Chitral. Polo, The Great Game, the limit of Alexander, and apparently reasonable weather. I rather doubt the latter.

No surge in response to PM, lovely little engine.

OH declared.

[dook]

I found it a little too late. :ugh:

[sycamore]

Jenks,dook, thanks for replies...leave you to respond to VD...

[dook]

For Dumbo here, wossa VD ?

[sycamore]

Vampiredave....

[dook]

Which post was that please.

[sycamore]

The PM I sent you....

[dook]

Oh yes - I sent you a reply.

[dook]

It's all very quiet.

[jensdad]

Here's a slot-sitter...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/250x640/2016_06_21_007_078_copy_250x640__1a3c139ec60bbf6dc6865b2eeb2 1c9e2276d67bd.jpg

[Flap40]

I'll hazard a guess at Glasgow.

Scratch that, the GMR at GLA is a different design. Let's try EDI.

[jensdad]

Yep, on hindsight I should maybe have cropped out a bit more of the Saab 340!

All yours, Flap...

[Flap40]

Thanks. Here's one to try.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x787/screenshot_2019_08_13_at_17_17_58_4a6c882f0783c74f1d732e0924 19675315d2419e.png

North at the top.

[dook]

Bad luck Flap - I already had that Norfolk job lined up.

There was a little bit more of it when I was at Coltishall in the early 70s.

edit: forgot to say Matlaske.

[Flap40]

Your Baton then.

[dook]

I have had several last less than five minutes.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/666x500/tues_74749f847b6c212ddd26140c8aef5c2c602ee406.jpg

[jensdad]

Definitely military. Looks like it could be Warsaw Pact airfield design. Poland?

[dook]

Warsaw Pact but not Poland.

[jensdad]

Hi dook. Apologies for lack of response, been a busy day... Looks like prevailing wind is from the South West (or the bottom left corner of the photo anyway :) ) Other than that, I haven't a clue!

[dook]

No need for apologies.

I am one of the few around here who is retired with time on my hands.

This airfield was Luftwaffe in WW2 so that should narrow it down to the country.

[sycamore]

EX-DDR...?

[dook]

Certainly is.

[JENKINS]

Merserburg? Never been there.

[dook]

But you have found it.

Cleared to the fix.

[JENKINS]

Thanks, initials with this one. Seems very quiet, the local team(?) obviously playing away today.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1440x1080/earth_postcard_1565797038_c7dec86e91abd5cc40a9a959ee4704cf43 4f9c57.jpg

[dook]

Has an ex-RAF look about it (some of us do).

UK ?

[JENKINS]

Yes, it is ex-RAF. I have worked with pilots who flew here.

[dook]

These GE oblique views usually distort perspectives, but it does appear rather flat here.

So, Lincolnshire or East Anglia ?

[JENKINS]

Neither I fear.

[JENKINS]

Just spent an idle half-hour matching engine to aircraft to nearby river. It certainly works with this spot.

[dook]

Would that be the river Exe ?

[JENKINS]

No, not the Exe. Nearest close match in my terms to Exeter would be Christchurch, long since closed. I lived on that river in my youth, and much later in my dotage. And that river was yours also, albeit in name only and not location. No, not the Adour.

[dook]

Mine also ?

Avon ?

[TCAS FAN]

No, not the Exe. Nearest close match in my terms to Exeter would be Christchurch, long since closed. I lived on that river in my youth, and much later in my dotage. And that river was yours also, albeit in name only and not location. No, not the Adour.

From my aged memory Christchurch, Hampshire (as it was when closed) only had a grass runway. Also, at the time of closure you would only have seen Austers, Tiger Moths, and some ex AST Oxfords, before they were broken up. All hangars on the west side, with one exception being the ATC gliding school at the south end.

[JENKINS]

Avon, yes. Christchurch, Avon, Sea Vixen. In like manner, Lossie, Spey, Bucaneer. Now for the airfield in question, Airfield, Engine, Aircraft. For what it is worth, O Level geography wii reveal that the river flows the wrong way.

[dook]

Well, I've found it but it doesn't say where it is. :mad:


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1219x824/here_a727150bc0f08a326d079715c669ed1dc219af7f.jpg

[dook]

Full Sutton innit.

[JENKINS]

Yes, that's the place. Now look into RAF history, engine names, football clubs, William the Conquerer, and so on.

[dook]

Can't be bothered to do that at the moment.

[JENKINS]

Yes, Full Sutton. Chelsea Football Club, 1066, Stamford Bridge, RR Derwent, Meteor T7, and so on. Prison brightly lit at night.

[Kemble Pitts]

Full Sutton

[JENKINS]

Dook first old bean, but only just. He has the floor.

[dook]

I have never flown with a Derwent so I don't understand why you said it was my engine also.:ooh:

A little different:


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/680x428/copy_b877907ccee944ad43c9ee6fef4796db93f3453b.jpg

[chevvron]

From my aged memory Christchurch, Hampshire (as it was when closed) only had a grass runway. Also, at the time of closure you would only have seen Austers, Tiger Moths, and some ex AST Oxfords, before they were broken up. All hangars on the west side, with one exception being the ATC gliding school at the south end.
Christchurch did have a hard runway originally laid in 1943 using steel mesh and concrete then tarmaced over in 1954..

[jensdad]

Hi dook, your photo looks military. Something about your photo makes me think it's either very hot or very cold!

[ea200]

I think there's some snow lying around so probably cold. Europe?

[dook]

Good evening jensdad.

It's neither very hot nor very cold.

It was a small military airfield and some years ago it was proposed to make it into an international airport. Ate the end of 2016 it was described as not operating but in 2017 a company was operating from there.

That might make it easier.

And good evening to you ea200.

It is in Europe but not high latitude.

Listening out.

[jensdad]

Could it be the airfield that was known to Ryanair as Balaton Airport? I remember there were efforts a few years ago to get the place going as a second international airport for Hungary. I then heard that Ryanair had pulled out and haven't heard anything about the place since!

[dook]

Good evening jensdad.

Issa quite a long way south of Hungary.

[jensdad]

An equally good evening to you, dook! Do I detect an Italian twang in your last piece of information? Is it Comiso?

[dook]

Italy it is - standby whilst I look for Comiso….

Not Mafia island.

North Italy.

[jensdad]

Down in Sicily, opposite end of Italy from Hungary :)

[jensdad]

Oops, messages got crossed there. I'll get my thinking cap on...

[dook]

I can give you a GE overhead….

[dook]

Yer 'tis


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/546x400/capture_621906a51207fc432a345868958b1aec587dcec5.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Aeroporto delle Marche
Ancona

I am afraid I have to call OH (if correct)

Edit: I see i am not correct.
I leave it to Fellow explorers

[dook]

A brief appearance - have you been away ?

[Self loading bear]

Busy for work in Lux again.
so mark that region for future challenges.

[Asturias56]

The only new airport that has been planned in N Italy that I'm aware of is the Chinese backed "Europe1" which was planned to be near the planned Breschia Verona high speed train line

I can't find an exact location - but it was going to be huge Project Watch - Europe 1 - Airport World Magazine (http://www.airport-world.com/features/airport-design/5353-project-watch-europe-1.html)

Seems to have been around Montechiari where there are already two fields - Ghedi AFB and Breschia-Montechiari but neither of them look anything like the GE image above