Which Aerodrome Mk III

[Self loading bear]

Sorry,
as there are No (big) polders in those countries, we are therefore indeed in Nederland.

[dook]

Found this :

The first plant to establish itself, though more so in the later polders than in the Wieringermeer, was reed (https://www.pprune.org/left=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phragmites), sown from the air by plane onto the muddy flats while the polder was still being drained.


Flevoland ?

[Self loading bear]

Indeed Reed sowing with the Dutch kolibri ram jet helicopter.
Flevoland is indeed the province.

[dook]

You say big polder, so is this the Afsluitdijk ?

[Self loading bear]

You say big polder, so is this the Afsluitdijk ?
oh dear,
Saying such a thing in Nederland places you just slightly above the American tourist who says Amsterdam is the Capital city of Copenhagen....

As you could have seen on Google Earth the Afsluitdijk is not a boundary of a polder.
It divides the former Zuiderzee into the IJsselmeer and the Waddenzee.
This eliminated the need to maintain a lot of Sea dykes which need to be higher than river and lake dykes.

[dook]

I think my European geography is better than the average American.

So what are we looking for ?

Is it the airfield in your second airfield image ?

[JENKINS]

While not fulfilling the function which you describe, I am aware of a demo of the machine to HRH Prince Bernhard at Soesterberg.

[Self loading bear]

Is it the airfield in your second airfield image ?

Yes, that is posted as a clue.
The first shot of the helicopter is from a dyke roughly in the neighborhood.

and Soesterberg is not what we are looking for

[dook]

So if that is a clue, I assume we are looking for the location of the helicopter image.

[Self loading bear]

So if that is a clue, I assume we are looking for the location of the helicopter image.

No the airport of the second clue!

[dook]

In that case I have no idea apart from maybe Middenmeer.

[sycamore]

Looking at the line-up of Cubs I think it maybe an Army /KLM flying training school....

[JENKINS]

The Dutch drained The Fens of course! For this spot, starting from the seaward end, De Kooy at the time of the photograph?

[dook]

Maybe Lelystad or Flevo.

[Self loading bear]

Maybe Lelystad or Flevo.

Lelystad it is
I think Lelystad is the only city in the Netherlands named after a person (besides some Kings and Queens)
Mr Lely was the engineer who engineered the Afsluitdijk and made the plans for the various big polders.
The photo of the Helicopter was from somewhere on the ring dyke around Flevoland.
Currently Lelystad Airport is being extended to form a relief airport for Schiphol (charter flights without onward connections)
The field is -12ft AMSL

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/743x1188/f5cfae1c_f74c_48d6_88ce_909cb879d3e4_bd9a0c989bc06a8c9ceb2b8 ff391aace4a1f422f.jpeg

[dook]

Dank u Bear.

http://i68.tinypic.com/r73bz4.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Also Dutch?
(I see a Tjalk or Skutsje in the water)

[dook]

Eagle eyes - yes.

[Self loading bear]

Schiphol?

I found this one from 1916:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/982x670/b82ee544_4fbf_4b62_970f_e6400a2dd1a5_2a8fc7d0484266dec41c12b f5b3327d4e1700914.jpeg

[dook]

Schipol it is - and 1916.

I thought you would like it.

[Self loading bear]

Dook thanks!

What Schiphol has grown!
These hangars were on what now is the far North East corner of Schiphol.
The U-bend in the Ringvaart is the place where Fort aan de Schiphol has been.
It is now part of the foundation of the A9 highway bridge

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/739x1316/d154399c_fb62_407b_b310_7266757fc588_67eb2f05e953b5c7e89c6e6 0fbc20345985d0c4f.jpeg
I remember as being a kid visiting Schiphol and Aviodrome with my parents somewhere 1980.
Then already there were plans to build a new Airport in the North Sea or in the Markermeer.
Now Schiphol has doubled or tripled in flights. The Dutch have build 2 Maasvlaktes (harbours) into the sea and we have build the new Hongkong and Tokyo airports abroad but we still cannot decide upon a new airport for ourselves.....

[Self loading bear]

What about this:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1195x750/e823b1ed_9ccf_4400_a648_41e36331e7b5_71aed0b6840a6fec31a0746 c7a3a9325aeabc42e.jpeg

[dook]

Must ask - Nederland again ?

I was stationed at Flugplatz Elmpt (Bruggen) flying Jaguars and it has a familiar look about it.

[dook]

After take-off on RW 27 we usually turned right and passed almost over it.

I am sure it is Venlo.

[Self loading bear]

Dook,

Correct
Venlo looking east towards the border.
You have control again.

SLB

[dook]

We sometimes got noise complaints from Venlo.

The sound of freedom !

http://i68.tinypic.com/2lljb5y.jpg

[jensdad]

Evening, dook. The distinctive outline of Hurn?

[dook]

Good morning jensdad.

Bournemouth it is.

Over to you.

[jensdad]

Thank you dook. In the 1980's I had a book about Air Traffic Control which had an aerodrome map of Hurn. Stuck in my mind for some reason.

Something a bit newer but still now historic...
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x480/2015_04_07_a_zagreb_2_copy_640x480__080e282f79cd0006c5ccd0fa de45b87dd8b511c5.jpg

[dook]

That's in the BA paint job "Dove" for the 2012 London Olympics I think.

Europe I would say.

Could be Dusseldorf but for the background.

edit: Didn't realise there were so many photos of that A319 around !

[jensdad]

Affirmative to your first two observations. As you suspect, it isn't Dusseldorf, nor anywhere else in Germany.

[dook]

Continuing.....

Found some more but with a wide blue band around the cowlings.

[dook]

Found another similar but in a foreign language - Croatian I think.

[jensdad]

The photo's from my own collection so won't be on any web platforms. BA Airbuses are regular visitors at this airfield though, so there should be plenty of photos from more or less the same viewpoint, although maybe not for the last year or two.

Continue... :)

[dook]

Might it be Zagreb ?

[jensdad]

Poppin' oot noo, so will answer any any suggestions at approx 1600Z

[jensdad]

Ooof, you caught me just in time. It is indeed Zagreb. The terminal building that I took the snap from in 2015 has now closed, replaced with a shinier and less soulful one (as per one of my last challenges at La Palma).

The control is yours, Mr. d.

[dook]

Thank you kindly jensdad. I thought it would be a lot easier than it was.

Going back further:

http://i65.tinypic.com/4r6q9w.jpg

[Dora-9]

Eagle Farm, Queensland, Australia?

OH if correct.

[dook]

Good shooting Dora - your home territory. :ok:

Eagle Farm it is.

Dora-9 has called OH.

[India Four Two]

Another in a seemingly endless series of “Aerodromes I’ve been to”.

In my day:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/856x673/16fbdc21_612d_4513_86a4_4b36f3999ad3_5349927de7b1677d33c97e6 7c0701cb631e73c3d.jpeg

Now:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x683/24467876_3c3c_4735_ab1d_f82c3c462602_d952f1ce2d96e42e80e7267 9efbe76a655809b83.jpeg

[dook]

Afternoon India.

Long shadow on the sign. I guess high latitude or early/late in the day.

[chevvron]

Newquay aka St Mawgan

[Self loading bear]

I guess fairly low latitude as toilets on old photo have louvres and new building has large sun roof and airco standing outside.
Driving right side of the road. So not a former British overseas.
Disciplined- regulated country (clean kept, short grass, many signs etc.) so probably not Mediterranean and lots of other parts of the world.

[dook]

I agree with you about low latitude. I think we are probably looking east.

Looks like a fairly warm place as well.

Not sure about driving on the right - what makes you think that ?

[Self loading bear]

2 Road signs right side of the road/entrance of parking.
About regulated disciplined: I might have to come back on that as India’s car is on No parking area.

SLB

[dook]

The right sign is facing to our left presumably towards traffic.

I therefore think the driving is on the left side of the road.

If that's the case it would narrow things down nicely.

Perhaps we'll find out from India.

[India Four Two]

Interesting observations. Fairly low latitude, although not in the tropics. That rules out St. Mawgan unless there’s been a lot of Continental drift since I was last there!

A fairly disciplined country, depending on your definition.

This should resolve the steering-wheel issue:
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/574x302/bc980379_b7f9_4e73_94e0_34b70eb0853c_b290bfb8507a992b411c78d ba67f02b09eefe99a.jpeg


During my research, I have discovered that the first terminal picture actually post-dates my visit to the mystery aerodrome. There was a very unconventional check-in procedure when I was there, although I don’t remember it

PS dook posted while I was composing. Eagle-eyed as befits a WIWOL.

[dook]

Cheers India.

Driving on the left now points me to Oz.

[India Four Two]

Crikey, dook’s on the right track! Keep going until you nearly get to the black stump, mate!

[dook]

Ah, you see my last aeroplane was the Jaguar.

We always flew the right track. :)

[dook]

Goggled "black stump".

Queensland methinks, and that's where I'm looking.

[Shackman]

We always flew the right track. https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/smile.gif

But as in the Morecombe and Wise skit, not necessarily in the right order!

[dook]

But that wuz notes wunnit.

Fink I've found the challenge. :)

Definitely found it but off to bed.

[India Four Two]

dook, you are correct. The mystery aerodrome is in Queensland, otherwise known as the Deep North.

Concerning the Black Stump, when you drive beyond it, you are in the GAFA! :E I remember an Aussie TV ad in the 80s for a Ford Falcon (or possibly a petrol or oil ad), where the video ended with a car driving down a bush track and passing a black stump. Nicely done.

[chimbu warrior]

That would be Roma airport (YROM).

Open house.

[India Four Two]

You shouldn't have gone to sleep dook! chimbu has it. Roma - YROM not LIRF.

Both terminals in my picture are called "AT Berry Terminal" after Alan Berry who worked at the airport for forty years and used his Ford Falcon as the check-in counter.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x249/tt3160312history4_c74841be3064f83bcdc4694118157e1aa74e7dab.j pg
A young Alan Berry started at Roma Airport two years earlier in 1947 and he saw it grow from the site at the meatworks where there was no terminal, just an old shed. Berry was easily identifiable with his tash, shorts and white socks. He quickly made himself indispensable, doing everything from loading and unloading planes, to managing the bookings and running the airport. He was renowned in the Roma community, as was his famous old blue Falcon ute, which doubled as a check-in centre. The AT Berry terminal named in his honour was formally opened on April 27, 1996. Roma Mayor Barry Braithwaite thanked Flight West Airlines for their support of the airport and congratulated Alan Berry for 40 years of service to air travellers in Roma. “The new centre is modern, giving staff and passengers a degree of comfort and efficiency Mr Berry did not have the opportunity to use,” Mayor Braithwaite said. “Roma Airport has gone from the back of the ‘old Falcon ute’ to a modern check-in area.”

https://woollydays.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/a-history-of-aviation-in-roma/

cw has declared Open House

[chimbu warrior]

Actually on second thoughts I do have something to offer..........

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1920x1080/img_6706_8d4b34b6ecf55ac950971761b082b959036c283d.jpg

[dook]

Morning chimbu.

Is that a computer-generated image ?

[chimbu warrior]

No it is not. Here is an aircraft that lives here, although it is a very long way from its original home.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1920x1080/img_6673_61cd97b7a1c127a99c392ebaf0610a492c6cd5c4.jpg

[dook]

Is that XV744 of trans-Atlantic fame ?

[chimbu warrior]

No it is not. The identity of this machine is prefixed XZ.

[dook]

Maybe the USA.

[chimbu warrior]

Another resident. This one also did not see military service in the country where it is now housed.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1158x534/img_6699x_4d0b7730df34658ae927993f0bcb41325ebdd7cc.jpg

[lauriebe]

Is that North Shore, NZ?

[chimbu warrior]

No but you are in the correct country.

[dook]

The roof looks like the one in Ashburton.

[chimbu warrior]

Bingo! Well spotted sir.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1920x1080/img_6709_14b8d009e1b459fa04b75b439654b48c30f85c5b.jpg

[dook]

I think that has to go to lauriebe.

He pointed the way.

[lauriebe]

I think that has to go to lauriebe.

He pointed the way.

Good morning Dook.

Thanks, I have one ready but I am shortly going out and probably won't be online again until around 0100Z tomorrow. So, over to you.

[dook]

I've had quite a few up recently so let's give someone else a chance.

OH

[JENKINS]

Three hours, so one of mine. Haven't flown here, but passed by on occasion. Two separate flying services when an airfield, one of them flying Merlin-powered bomber types in WW2, and during said war a renowned actor flew here albeit not on a Merlin machine. Still military, I believe.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1440x1080/earth_postcard_1560963478_d3c9b6e25befff324e313e8bb7c2b2900b 509435.jpg

[dook]

Was that actor James Stewart or Clark Gable ?

[JENKINS]

No, but one of those had been involved with the then wife of my pilot from this field. You asked the correct question to circumvent my spoof! And indeed, one of those had acted with a British actor who died in a WW2 aerial incident.

[dook]

Is there a connection with "Gone With The Wind" ?

[JENKINS]

Yes, albeit tenuous and on the distaff side.

[dook]

Does Olivia de Havilland feature in this saga ?

[JENKINS]

I could introduce a de Havilland theme were I to delve into school, pilots, films and so on. There is certainly a de Havilland link 15 miles north, en route to a school which is 45 miles north. Orientation W - E, road to left leads to DH link. Without going deeper, I am unaware of any Olivia link.

But then she is not the lady in question, but frankly, who gives a damn. Poorly quoted!

[dook]

It doesn't look like UK, but is it ?

[JENKINS]

Let's try the pilot and school link. My pilot, at this field, and apparently a hopeless aviator, was schooled at an institution which produced three much finer aviators, and all three from a different flying service to my man. My pilot, an actor, did not feature in any of the three films inspired by the three much finer pilots. Alex Guiness did though.

[JENKINS]

Yes, it is UK, even as far as defining England. County? No chance!

[dook]

Not dissimilar to Witchford.

[India Four Two]

Lovely museum in Ashburton. Well worth a visit. I got a huge shock when walking into the hangar, to come face to face with a Harrier! Is it the only one in the Southern Hemisphere that’s not a pile of wreckage?

[chevvron]

Mount Farm?

[JENKINS]

Pre-dates Witchford by many years. I think WW2 passed by my field in terms of offensive ops from the location. It came to the notice of the Luftwaffe, and a prominent Irishman of the time reported it sunk.

[JENKINS]

Not Mount Farm, but one of those educated at the same establishment as my pilot met his end from Mount Farm.

[JENKINS]

Current use seems to be Scibblies, Schoolies, Snowdrops, and Blanket Stackers. Must now retreat into Anderson Shelter, avoiding flak.

[Flap40]

Pre-dates Witchford by many years. I think WW2 passed by my field in terms of offensive ops from the location. It came to the notice of the Luftwaffe, and a prominent Irishman of the time reported it sunk.

Well Lord Haw Haw reported that HMS Raven had been sunk. Depending which bit of Wikipedia you believe then that could either be Eastleigh or Christchurch neither of which seem to fit the picture.

confused.com!

[JENKINS]

Neither, but very close. Indeed, in one case, on the approach. Wrong bird from Haw-Haw, but hovering very close.

[Flap40]

Found it. RNAS Worthy Down.

[JENKINS]

Yes, where Laurence Olivier apparently trained as a pilot but not much further. HMS Kestrel the shore station sunk by Joyce. Other pilots mentioned being Bader, Gibson, Warburton, and a young Geoffrey de Havilland.

All yours.

[Flap40]

Ta. Nothing to hand so OH.

[dook]

Nicely done Flap.

[dook]

I'll jump in.

http://i66.tinypic.com/15yyu5e.jpg

[JENKINS]

Shall I get the show on the road with a guess at Membury?

Later, on reflection, no Invasion Stripes. Perhaps this is the Big Lift to Berlin.

[dook]

No hits so far.

[sycamore]

M4,J15 NW12nm..
or,`Late d/wind ,RH 24,simulated double asymmetric,#3 & 4,20 flap, gear on finals````

[Flap40]

I'll have a punt at Down Ampney

[dook]

Punt failure but very close......

[JENKINS]

Blakehill Farm?

[dook]

Blakehill Farm it is.

All yours J.

[JENKINS]

Thanks, Whack-O! Very recently in Cricklade with son, Blakehill, Down Ampney,, and Jimmy Edwards were discussed. Lack of Invasion stripes explained by date of photograph.

I have a little something. Perhaps overnight there may be an Iron Age expert in the Southern Hemisphere who might spark.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1440x1080/earth_postcard_1561061946_9ffc15700415723f7891c556ca44d8514f f304bf.jpg

[chevvron]

Don't Rush, it's a bit Windy.

[JENKINS]

Ho-ho, very fast. Yes; I have never flown there but one of the organisations which in past years flew there slipped me a few onecers for services elsewhere. It is a name which, beside the troopship, creates a nasty whiff over links between two shiny-faced public school Oxford politicians. Neither has been honoured in retirement from the top job, but both are, apparently, raking it in.

Rant over. RAF Windrush, all yours.

[dook]

dribble.....dribble......

[chevvron]

Sorry should have added OH but didn't want to appear to be a 'know it all'.

[lauriebe]

OH called so I'll try this one.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x376/wa002_c0de5202956eb5b24bbb25916b2931893f5689e9.jpg

[dook]

Good afternoon lauriebe.

This looks distinctly military.

Australia ?

[lauriebe]

Good afternoon lauriebe.

This looks distinctly military.

Australia ?

Good afternoon dook.

MIlitary, yes. Australia, no.

[dook]

Just for once it doesn't this time look like your part of the world.

[lauriebe]

You are right. Although I did work a little further north of this location for a while some years ago.

[dook]

Mmmm.

North Africa ?

I doubt is in the part of the Middle East where I worked.

[lauriebe]

Not North Africa.

Where in the Middle East did you work? Although I suspect Jaguars might figure?

[lauriebe]

Mmmm.

North Africa ?

I doubt is in the part of the Middle East where I worked.

Maybe it's time to set aside your doubts and look at that area.

[JENKINS]

Manston, but not Kent of course.

[lauriebe]

Manston, Dhofar, Oman it is.

Jenkins has control.

[JENKINS]

Thanks. Useful spot for a forced landing if SAM has modified your taiplane, albeit not mine. Very familiar in mid-1970's, and also familiar with a little further north.

Nothing I fear, so OH.

[dook]

laureibe,

My work in Saudi Arabia did not involve the Jaguar.

I was a BAe contract flying instructor at the King Faisal Air Academy. Strikemasters.

The Oman job would have been far more fun and a better lifestyle, but the salary was no contest.

I arrived at the end of 1985 and the BAe senior manager (a retired brigadier) said:

"In the calendar here it's 1406, and it won't take you long to realise that's just about right".

[Asturias56]

Try this - quite a long way from Oman ..................

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/285x224/2019_06_14_152630_70184d6b2a1737aadd11b0dd5bc6a658e7a7dbfc.j pg

[India Four Two]

The terrain, the fence and the nicely painted Cessna make me think of the USA.

[Asturias56]

yes it is the USA - a number of quite large airports around this one, two of which are closely linked by the same historical event

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/453x220/2019_06_14_152733_2a374ad782da5153bb3fcf6a205b65c549dd1573.j pg

[JENKINS]

A stab at Chesterfield County Airport?

[Asturias56]

No - I think this one maybe a bit smaller - it's named after an aviation pioneer & record breaker

off out for a wild night on the town (hope, hope, hope...)

[JENKINS]

I can link Wiley Post and Will Rogers in the same historical event, so I must have a stab at nearby Clarence.E. Page Airport. A noteable aviation figure, I am told, but no info on status as a record breaker and the field does not look likely.

[dook]

However, if you go east from your suggestion there is Wiley Post airport.

[sycamore]

Norman ..KOUN S of OK....?

[JENKINS]

Yes Dook. Asturias indicates two, not the subject airport, are linked, and there is a very close, and fatal, link between Post and Rogers.

[dook]

I wasn't suggesting it's the answer because it isn't.

Simply an observation.

[Asturias56]

Back in - not so wild night...

I'm on the horns of dilemma here as my description of the links between the airports is not clear - or not as clear as I thought...........................

It is indeed Oklahoma CIty and Wiley Post , a very useful airport I used several times - the other major airports are Will Rodgers ( who was killed with Post in the same accident), Tinkler AFB ( the first Native American to command a USAAF Squadron and killed flying a Liberator attack on Wake) and Clarence E Page, a noted aviator and promoter... and there are at least another 5-8 local airports.

Dook seems to have ID'd the airport first so I guess , in fairness, it's his call

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/514x354/2019_06_14_153032_c1ba880eccf8d8148fb4b1195ef7532a70f5a673.j pg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/437x315/2019_06_14_152758_8231accc2e152c19a6f586263386f6bd0fb2ffaa.j pg

[lauriebe]

laureibe,

My work in Saudi Arabia did not involve the Jaguar.

I was a BAe contract flying instructor at the King Faisal Air Academy. Strikemasters.

The Oman job would have been far more fun and a better lifestyle, but the salary was no contest.

I arrived at the end of 1985 and the BAe senior manager (a retired brigadier) said:

"In the calendar here it's 1406, and it won't take you long to realise that's just about right".

Dook,

Thanks for the reply.

I worked for the same company at the Technical Studies Institute, KAAB Dhahran from Jan 89 to Aug 99. Like yourself, the salary was the main attraction. There had also been the opportunity to work for Grumman in Riyadh but opted for BAe.

Several of your Strikies ended up at the TSI as GI airframes just before I left.

[dook]

Thanks Asturias - you had us running around with that one.

http://i63.tinypic.com/2sab9tj.jpg

[Asturias56]

wherever it is the rubber suggests the prevailing wind is strong and persistent from the left of the picture

Only 14 dispersal points in view = a single squadron/ and maybe fighters??

I'd also guess somewhere N of 50 latitude??

[dook]

The latitude is less than 50N.

Mainly fighters but at one point a photograph revealed 34 aircraft there.

[jensdad]

This doesn't narrow it down much, but the airfield design says 'Warsaw Pact' to me for some reason...

[dook]

More than Warsaw Pact really.

Soviet Union. Greater than 100E.

[dook]

The airfield has been disused since the end of the cold war.

[dook]

The airfield is mentioned here:

howlingpixel.com/I-en/Ilyushin_Il-28

[Self loading bear]

Vitebsk?

SLB

[dook]

No Bear.

Keep going - the answer (+photo) is on that site.

I said it is more than 100E.

[lauriebe]

No Bear.

Keep going - the answer (+photo) is on that site.

I said it is more than 100E.

Wasn't able to find it on that site but I think this is the abandoned airfield at Novorossiya, east of Vladivostock.

It took some finding. I had looked in that area three times before I spotted it.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/650x428/novorossiya_245b7e438badb1ed678546880f923a44e35d52a1.jpg

[dook]

"Houston, we have a bingo".

lauriebe,

I assure you it's on that site - below the Museum of Polish Arms towards the bottom of the article.

Anyway, well found and you have the con.

[lauriebe]

"Houston, we have a bingo".

lauriebe,

I assure you it's on that site - below the Museum of Polish Arms towards the bottom of the article.

Anyway, well found and you have the con.

Good morning dook.

Have just looked at the site you mentioned again and found the reference. I don't think I went that far down the article earlier.

Let's try this one.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x400/wa053_d58a4bd985ddcee7f88e15009ed060b573c4532c.jpg

[Asturias56]

small shadows = low latitudes = S Europe?

[lauriebe]

The challenge is not in Europe.

[dook]

Your part of the world again ?

[lauriebe]

Your part of the world again ?

It is indeed.

[Asturias56]

I think its Sandakan in N Borneo..... went on a day trip there from Tarakan once to collect some kit - far easier getting it in that way than via JKT


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1093x347/2019_06_23_101744_7193e02a852ccf8f7c11f413f29585c91c8db1ff.j pg

[lauriebe]

Asturias, got it in one.

You have control.

[Asturias56]

long way from Sandakan..................

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/398x307/2019_06_16_062758_9b520d8141b712e36cd8c2030d150723330e150b.j pg

[dook]

That looks fairly new and under construction.

Europe ?

[Asturias56]

Yes Europe - but not sure of the age of the picture

It's had a mixed history ................................

[dook]

I thought it might be part of the second runway construction at Malaga but I can find no confirmatory photographs.

[Asturias56]

Not Malaga - this place also gets snow............

off out for the afternoon.

[dook]

Possibly Scandinavia.

[Asturias56]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/524x804/2019_06_16_060644_3fbadf9dd717fab093d0337e10c2819c8d3a2743.j pg
No not Scandinavia - has both internal and international flights

[dook]

I thought it might be Craiova in Romania but it doesn't look like that on GE.

However, it does look like that on a search.

I can't relate it to your second image though so maybe not.

[chevvron]

Looks like Palma to me.

[dook]

With snow ?

[Asturias56]

Dook has it - Craiova it is....................


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/476x245/2019_06_16_063004_3a4c179a16a9fdddc26baaf0ba54e0f9b1317260.j pg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/727x292/2019_06_16_060618_ec54830395a21e966b623f80611342f0cc725cb0.j pg

[dook]

Thank you Asturias. Phew.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2s0h5if.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Gander Canada?

[dook]

2 minutes !!!

The male goose indeed.

Bear rides again.

[chevvron]

long way from Sandakan..................

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/398x307/2019_06_16_062758_9b520d8141b712e36cd8c2030d150723330e150b.j pg
Snow? What snow?
Any way our tour guide in New Orleans said they get it very rarely, and there are mountains in Majorca where it could occur.https://www.pprune.org/images/icons/46.gif

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Dook!
I have been looking at the Gander history on the internet.
Interesting stories.

Now this

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/710x395/f17610cc_090a_4700_9b6a_307b5d3de652_ee8119088a6027a398f0da8 220857c4aa83a1fa0.jpeg

[dook]

Bikes. Nederland ?

[Self loading bear]

Nederland indeed

[dook]

And look what I have found.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2mdpjqx.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Welschap Eindhoven it is.

A new runway has been offset and in other direction in order to avoid airplanes over the Centre of Eindhoven.
Therefore the former terminal building is now in a residential area. (Red pin lower right)

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1077x705/b36fc8ea_b4c2_4d93_8354_c7f1206106e0_7c16ef9c4639e0e51b1462f 6be8dbaecc137d7d7.jpeg

[dook]

Dank u Bear.

Have you been studying the history of this one …….?

http://i65.tinypic.com/s1q0av.jpg

[Self loading bear]

No
Not studied but not difficult either.
I leave this RAF/USAAF base for someone else,
(as I would have to declare OH anyway)

[lauriebe]

Could this be Thorpe Abbotts near Diss, Norfolk?

Will have to be OH if correct.

[dook]

Sorry lauriebe, but it isn't.

It is UK though.

edit: clues are available if requested.

[Asturias56]

Sculthorpe?

[dook]

I'm afraid not Asturias.

You will need a boat or an aeroplane to get here...….

[Asturias56]

Long Kesh I think....................... never realized there were 26 WW2 airfields in N Ireland.........................

[dook]

Asturias strikes with Long Kesh.

New balls please.

[Asturias56]

That was tough................................................... you can just about see the old outline on GE today

Try this one
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/463x327/2019_06_24_024422_s_6aac4e6bc41a7fa4c54ae73dcc0fb92876caf124 .jpg

[dook]

I don't think it's any more tough than some of yours. ;)

This one is a good example.

[Asturias56]

Well it's not Leh.........................

[dook]

Near Milano ?

Leh…..Leh…..that's in India !

[Asturias56]

No - this is neither near India nor Milano.....................

In fact I'll be amazed if anyone has ever been there.

[dook]

The aeroplanes look old and the hardstanding and runway seem to be compacted sand/gravel.

USA ?

[Asturias56]

The airport has been upgraded I think - it's now mainly tarmac/concrete - it's not the USA though...............

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/437x375/2019_06_24_024631_s_67ad84cd6e911f2b260579cd85aed8ce49ddb570 .jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/461x249/2019_06_24_023610_5094d92bcf5e77d82eca59b7909b752f22b0e5a3.j pg

[dook]

South Australia ?

[Asturias56]

Land of Free Australians? Go Crows go!

Nope - but certainly a British influence

[dook]

The old Empire strikes back.

Sith Eefrica ?

[sycamore]

About 180* out dook; CYSU aka Summerside ,PEI...CFB SAR Base...OH if correct....been past a few times....

[Asturias56]

Astonishing!

Prince Edward island Summerside it is - I really thought it might last 24 hours............

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/452x254/2019_06_24_023806_2181f7c4cb904faf7545d7932cbb693d7cf86f0b.j pg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/552x228/2019_06_24_023552_72755e2537af3f08b1256fa441a30ffaa61ac08e.j pg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/944x866/2019_06_24_023512_ec0b8619d6cb2d5f49086a1d3cded91fc547bb36.j pg


Sycamore has called OH

[dook]

I would never have got that without considerable helpings of clues.

[Asturias56]

I had a load of clues ready - potatoes, highest density province, lowest population province, Arcadians, pictures of parts of the small collection of military stuff there....................... all to no avail!!!!

[dook]

I thought you would have.

So - who has sumfink ?

[nvubu]

Here you go then.

https://zv8pkq.bl.files.1drv.com/y4mY8y4CaGfqnjD9y2ij_nHyzREHCoMx3di2v9EA3KjJ_7g3XWevmY7yKJyU G_bV3oc12IH7M2X_MCZDmOcOsPWDzgbgWPRIk8aS0EuiYIsztCdGKnXP35mk gLiMHTwi7STg5KOOm1PktZAcnYlWmHN3cZ3vnEHui0oRRNh_ii-O3BN5nLLLFEmj8rCInJ2WCjlebi21-IaIV5TOo0trqWEXQ?width=1024&height=574&cropmode=none

The white lines are where the bombs should be aimed.

[Sam Asama]

No - this is neither near India nor Milano.....................

In fact I'll be amazed if anyone has ever been there.

Sadly, it's only amazing because North Americans don't take part in this thread as they used to.

[dook]

Have I missed something or do we have two challenges up.

[jensdad]

Sorry, I tried to delete my challenge, but it seems I was unsuccessful. I'll try again :)

[dook]

nvubu - yours like this always involve an elimination traipse around. Germany ?

[jensdad]

dook, don't tell anyone, I'm saving it for later :) Challenge has now been deleted.

[dook]

OK mate.

I'll delete the reference in my previous post. :ok:

PM for jensdad.

[sycamore]

Can only see 2 aircraft there ;bullseye(centre of pic) 8 o`clock 1600,twin-engine; other at ,1 o`clock 900, which looks like an Me163 in a revetment.....

[nvubu]

If it's an Me163 it will be a long way from home as we aren't in Germany - here's a much larger version of the image for you to id any aircraft - clicky (http://www.nvubu.co.uk/pprune/20190623_01.jpg),

[Asturias56]

Some of the fields are tiny and look like they are terraced - maybe Italy? Sicily??

[dook]

Maybe Crete.

[nvubu]

Not Italy, Sicily or Crete - many miles away from all of these.

[dook]

Perhaps we're not in Europe at all.

Maybe a long way east.

[sycamore]

It looks like a `prepared` airfield,not hacked out of the countryside,good road,and possibly a rail line(top right.?),maybe part of a bigger airfield...Japan....?
Still visible on GE..?

[dook]

I think so too,

I have found photographs of those revetments and they are certainly Japanese.

[nvubu]

I did wonder how long you were going to stay in Europe :ok:

I had written - "It is a Japanese airfield, but not in Japan.".

but on further research, I thought I'd better change this to "probably a Japanese airfield, but not in Japan".

Hmm... I better change that again to read "this is not a Japanese airfield, but certainly used by the Japanese" - still not in Japan.

[dook]

It's getting better.

Armed against theft....

[nvubu]

Still an active airfield, only domestic flights I think.

Bombing quite accurate
https://nr00eq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4my3VuFRVmlyOSOLC_IbneGSYMZcK29q2Kco28OCxTuf_XR3Sl9gfFSm3GN YjpC7XmsD6HMHBrU696HBQURY7Gbkn3SpuSreS3dVE78PIuuVHHorsFk44zI QOFyTs9EccX6C1Im5mtdAkWZUNGJ4CJnYCh6Y2nc4TZdzOJ_SaznOFILQj1k J-Um6CkJvwST7Y4omKSU4zQCI2pekT16xJywQ?width=1024&height=732&cropmode=none

[dook]

Marianas ?

[nvubu]

This airfield isn't on an island

[dook]

Malaysia then ?

Possibly Korea but improbable.

[dook]

Kuantan ?......

[JENKINS]

On a large sea-girt land mass, and with the rump apparently international, but what about Hollandia?

[dook]

I started looking at PNG until nvubu said it wasn't on an island.

Personally I consider New Guinea to be an island.

[nvubu]

Not in Malaysia, Korea - I also think that PNG is an island, so it isn't there either.

If you go back to my answer that I "clarified" a couple of times, why might I need to change it?

[dook]

Runny out of non-islands.

China by any chance ?

Nips were also in Vietnam.

[nvubu]

Not Vietnam or China.

Have you thought about my previous answer?

More bombing accuracy.

https://m0in1g.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mcw2xGrwuFOgXVwowjCNCVgDtVTA-sG1NwR5CX481WKTfsnveE2-pppRFpkJSNV4XDqPbn_xA-H9oquSwjdRW897BjrN07jCdCa7AVksmYviRfdWrf37LvO8AyK4p7ard0VIwY _IGmUvhX0GuERdYlMWJWSv4e7dDBWFwbd0_fNgsTOjWXH_uAdNiNyVn29ohE px56iL6j656_O55JwOEyg?width=1024&height=666&cropmode=none

[dook]

Yes I have, and think this may not have been WW2.

But I can't think what conflict, other than the Korean war.

[nvubu]

Definitely WW2.
I learnt today that this airfield is in a country that was an enemy to the UK, but not the US.

[Asturias56]

The only Asian country I can think of that was ever an enemy of the Brits but not the USA is Indonesia - bu that is ALL islands...................

It could be Banda Aceh in N Sumatra - the runway is the right direction....................

[dook]

Yes - and that's why I rejected it.

[nvubu]

dook was correct to reject Indonesia.

I didn't think it was an enemy prior to lunchtime today.

[Asturias56]

well my old man was shot at in Jakarta in '45 by Nationalists ............... and there was the Konfrontasi in the 1960's as well of course...................

[JENKINS]

Don Muang, Siam?

[Asturias56]

The Brits had a war against the Burmese - maybe Putao in N Myanmar?

[nvubu]

JENKINS has hit the right country with Siam, but not the correct airfield

I read today that Siam is the last country that the UK officially declared war on.

edit to add: I'm just off out - be back around 22:30. I may have internet access where I'm going depends if I have to umpire a hockey match.

[Asturias56]

Chang Rai?

[dook]

I have an indistinct map of eight Japanese occupied airfields.

Not sure of spelling - Lampang group ?

[dook]

I have found your image and it appears to be Lampang.

http://i63.tinypic.com/nprszr.jpg

[JENKINS]

Vichy was the clue to Siam.

[nvubu]

Not sure where Vichy came from.

Dook has it with Lampang.

Interesting read. https://www.chiangmaicitylife.com/citylife-articles/the-forgotten-legacy-of-world-war-two-in-northern-thailand/

[JENKINS]

Vichy was not an enemy of USA, as in a clue above.

[dook]

I spent too long on that one.

http://i64.tinypic.com/3179tec.jpg

[nvubu]

Siam wasn't Vichy, and was the only SE Asian country to avoid western rule.

Declared war on UK and USA after being invaded by Japan just before Pearl Harbor, but the ambassador to USA refused to deliver the declaration, so USA considered the country as occupied.

[dook]

I too wondered what Vichy was all about.

[Self loading bear]

Let’s try this with aircraft ID:
2 engine high wing
engine nacelles extend behind wing, short fuselage
Could be grumman C-1 Trader?

[Duchess_Driver]

Too long for Traders, too thin for Providers - my money would be on Caribou.

[India Four Two]

The shadows indicate that that the wings and tailplanes on the "Caribous" are about the same height off the ground, so my money is on an An-26 or similar. Which would mean that the four aircraft at the top right might be Il-28s.

[Self loading bear]

Interesting thoughts
based on that I say Semyazino Airport.
It doesn’t match but when you go to howling pixel AN-26 it is the airport mentioned at the very bottom.
;) ;)

[Asturias56]

Big place Russia............ we're going to need more clues....................

[dook]

Russia is indeed a big place, but that's not where we are.

[Asturias56]

That's what I call a really good clue..............................

So are we in Europe?

[dook]

Yes, we are in Europe.

The photograph was taken just before a raid which I believe destroyed a lot of the aircraft.

A conflict in the late nineties involving NATO.

Is that a better clue ?

[lauriebe]

Yes, we are in Europe.

The photograph was taken just before a raid which I believe destroyed a lot of the aircraft.

A conflict in the late nineties involving NATO.

Is that a better clue ?


I think it's this airfield SW of Nova Pazova in the former Yugoslavia.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x394/np_01_cf420d50f5e59df6f266a1149ec9ceb939769b38.jpg

[dook]

Nicely found lauriebe.

Do you know what it's called ?

Anyway, the thread is yours. :ok:

[lauriebe]

Nicely found lauriebe.

Do you know what it's called ?

Anyway, the thread is yours. :ok:

Good morning dook. Thanks

Have just seen the English translation of its name; Batajnica Air Base.

As I am about to go out for the evening, I think I had better call OH as I won't be available until tomorrow.

[dook]

Batajnica it is indeed.

Pity about the OH.

[Asturias56]

Lets try somewhere warmer..............

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/424x256/2019_06_23_191309_3255168ed177db6f702a868555ef54e62eeb6a39.j pg

[dook]

Warmer like Italia ?