Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[RegDep]

Well, no skwinty, but you got the drift :ok:

It is a Yank but there is an Italian license involved, and that's why it looks like …….

Skwinty's was the 1,000th response after the first post!!!! Cheers!!!! :ok:

[Noyade]

Hey Reg!

Italian license involvedAmerican Aeronautical Corporation S-56?....

American Aeronautical Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Aeronautical_Corporation)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8974/275085786990d80e60f3675.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/275085786990d80e60f3675.jpg/)

[skwinty]

S-56 Savoia Marchetti seaplane, but the tail looks different.

[RegDep]

Find another one like it (like, like similar, nothing to do with American dialect of English language) :)

[HappyPass]

Afternoon.
Anything to do with American Aeronautics S-62?
It has a closed cockpit, at least...:hmm:

[Noyade]

How bout'...

Budd BB-1 Pioneer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd_BB-1_Pioneer)

[RegDep]

No. And mine has an open cockpit. (Edit: That was to HP)

Built by a maker of railroad cars, a budding pioneer in aviation.

Edit: Ach THERE you are Graeme. Was just wondering what kept you…..

Over to you :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Reg!

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1642/77740596.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/77740596.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Back to Froggie Country, are we Graeme?

[Noyade]

Nope.............

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like a Mig with the intake blank in place!

[Noyade]

Not a Ruskie.

[RegDep]

Wrong tail for Mig - could be a Yak, but wrong background. Graeme, is the challenge the same as the one left in the background?

[trucky04]

An F 86 Sabre?

[RegDep]

North American FJ-1 Fury

[Noyade]

Not American mate.

[Noyade]

Graeme, is the challenge the same as the one left in the background?

No mate, they're jet trainers in the background.

[Ridge Runner]

I'd say not an FJ-1 as its got swept wings. However, the dihedral on the tail counts it out as a swept-wing Fury, I think.

[Ridge Runner]

A Gina, perhaps?

[Ridge Runner]

A Swift????

[Noyade]

A Gina, perhaps?

Right country mate. :)

[RegDep]

Ambrosini Ariete?

That was the "Yak" I was shooting for…..

[Ridge Runner]

if it is we've has before

[Noyade]

Ambrosini Ariete?

That is listed twice on Mel's list. No way was I gonnna make it three.

But, you are sooooo close...:)

[RegDep]

I know. Grabbing the straws now :uhoh:.

Did we have Ambrosini (Aerfer) Sagittario II before (no time to check!)

[Noyade]

Ariete was Ram.
Mine is Archer...........

(Aerfer) Sagittario III only looked at AERFER.....

Done!
Yours Reg.

But just looked again. Listed under Ambrosini. I have it only as Aerfer.

Oh well....

Exceptions being pure forgetfulness or absent-mindedness, new and challenging angle, or just to check if others are awake. http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8193/img0329670750.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/img0329670750.jpg/)

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3896/s800x60094356469441276.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/s800x60094356469441276.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Thanks Graeme!

Hadn't budgeted a score, but got carried away…..

OK then. You asked for it:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-08-19um154808.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Was that wing wire-braced on top through a central pylon, and the wires are not visible?

No evidence of conventional lower struts.

I am intrigued why you have blurred the people!

The text behind the reversed picture seems to be in German!

[Ridge Runner]

Ariete was Ram.
Mine is Archer...........

We've had both before!

[RegDep]

Mate:

It was a cantilever.

Well, I needed to get the people away from under the aeroplane, so I blurred the rest, too. Not very skillfully, I am afraid :\ The "extra" L/G strut should probably not be there. Maybe it was something that one of the guys under the aeroplane had in his hand….

The picture has not been reversed. And the text is not German. The file name says in German "Screenshot" :E.

[Lightning Mate]

Sounds like another Photoshop tutorial is in order!

[RegDep]

Well, yes……… :sad:

One of you tutorials said don't touch a low-resolution picture. But I find it refreshing to have pictures like this, (printed source from 1922), to balance out the three-views. Not taking a position against three-views; they are often interesting, too.

And, we are not running out of challenges. This one is from a pretty well known maker.

[Lightning Mate]

PM Reg. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

DH 29 Doncaster

[RegDep]

DH 29 Doncaster

Piece of cake Mate :ok:

Over to you :D

Saw your PM Master. Cool! Next tell me how to do that, please :).

[Lightning Mate]

I'll do just that over the weekend. ;)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/again.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Going home - catch you very soon.

[Ridge Runner]

A Rans, David??

[Lightning Mate]

Sadly not Martin.

Abend Reg. :)

[RegDep]

Evening Mate.

Unfortunately need to go for a couple of hours and have not given a serious attempt to yours…. :uhoh:

But I see skwinty around to keep you company :)

[Lightning Mate]

OK mate.

skwinty - you're all alone with a chance - reheat go!

[skwinty]

Issa looking Rastus:8

The undercarriage looks so flimsy, just like an elastic band powered model.

[diesel addict]

Vidervol-Szaraz VS-1 ????

If correct OH

The Gods alone know how that popped into memory.....

[Lightning Mate]

Vidervol-Szaraz VS-1 ????

Wot????????


The Gods alone know how that popped into memory.....

I would try other gods meeself....

Try again mate.

A message for skwinty.......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/skwinty.jpg

[skwinty]

I wish I had loads of disposable income.

I would gladly give some to Mr Beachyhead and Thunder City for a ride on the Lightning, Hunter, Strikemaster and Buccaneer.

Pity the Gloster Javelin is up on a pole.:*

[Lightning Mate]

Blimey!!!!!!!

I see five of you on thread. :ok::ok:

...for a ride on the Lightning, Hunter, Strikemaster and Buccaneer.

Guess who has three of those in his logbooks......

Challenge re-posted to avoid page flashbacks....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/again.jpg

[RegDep]

Vidervol-Szaraz VS-1 ????

Try again mate.

Just to confirm: Is it Szaraz SDI-A Daphne instead?

Wittman Buttercup we have recently had…..

[SincoTC]

Evening LM,

Great to see an active new member skwinty :ok:

My first look-in for a couple of day; it's been really hectic here, moving the assembly department into the new building, just finishing off now and going home soon.

That U/C looks a lot like a Wittman Tailwind or one of the numerous copies built, anything in pursuing that line?

Edit:

Abend Reg :)

I would gladly give some to Mr Beachyhead and Thunder City for a ride on the Lightning, Hunter, Strikemaster and Buccaneer

Sadly, unless you have some local knowledge to the contrary, I thought that they had all been more or less permanently grounded, due to the cost of insurance :sad::{:{.

[RegDep]

Kitfox was also mentioned in the connection of the Wittman Buttercup at the time….

Edit: Me Missus abruptly ceased watching a re-run of Star Trek, which ends my clear and present danger of acute starvation. Will be back after dinner :ok:.

[HappyPass]

...then why not a Tailwind?

Edit: forget it, I now read TC's post

[skwinty]

Looks like the Mr A.J.E. Perkins, modified Wittman Tailwind.

[Lightning Mate]

Just to confirm: Is it Szaraz SDI-A Daphne instead?

It is indeed Reg. :ok:


Will be back after dinner

Und ein litre............:E:E

RD has the thread.

....for what we are about to recieve may..............

[SincoTC]

Good shot Reg :D!

Thanks for the compliment HP; I'm somewhat relieved that I proved you wrong this time as my sleeve is empty (didn't think my answer would have been accurate enough though) and the Tailwind has been on before, although that doesn't seem to be too much of a probem recently :E!

Off home now, will try and get back later, but at least there's more light on than has been the case lately :ok:!!!

P.S. Sombody go and put up a cockpit while you're waiting, it looks like Bri's last comment there was true :eek:!

[Lightning Mate]

TC,
Pour yerself a large one mate.:ok:

[HappyPass]

Will follow Reg to dinner.
Bye for now.

[Lightning Mate]

That's a long way to go mate.............:E

[skwinty]

SincoTC,

The problem is easily solved with money.

As far as I know the aircraft are still airworthy.:cool:

Thanks for the welcome.:ok:

PS: how many posts does one need before getting full functionality on this forum?

I can't seem to find the quote function button anywhere.

[Lightning Mate]

PS: how many posts does one need before getting full functionality on this forum?

Just one.........you've made it.

Wossa problem?

PM me if you wish - dunnunderstand full functionality!

[Lightning Mate]

It's the third button on the left on row two...

wrap quotes around text.

Highlight the text first - then copy and paste and do the above.

[Lightning Mate]

Highlight the text first - then copy and paste and do the above.

..............

Got any Siff Iffrican jokes..........?

[skwinty]

Got any Siff Iffrican jokes..........? All my jokes are siff.:E

ETA: siff - if something is gross or disgusting or ugly. "Did you see her oufit? It was totally siff!"

[Lightning Mate]

You're totally scared of racial comment crap etc.

A real siff afrikaan guy walks into a bar with a beautiful parrot on his shoulder. "Wow," says the bartender. "That is really something. Where'd you get it?"

"Africa," says the parrot.

[skwinty]

What do you mean?

Some of my best friends are white.:p

[skwinty]

Or they walk into the doctors and the the doc says "Where did you get that?'

And the parrot says" It started as a lump on my @rse"

[Lightning Mate]

"there you go again - all over me belly - why can't I have it like a fighter pilots' wife?"

......................:p

[Lightning Mate]

A blonde walks into a bank in Johannesburg and asks for the loans dept.
She says she´s going to Europe on business for three weeks and needs to borrow R10,000.

The bank officer says the bank will need some kind of security for the loan, so the blonde hands over the keys to a new Rolls Royce. The car is parked on the street in front of the bank, she has the papers and everything checks out.

The bank agrees to accept the car as collateral for the loan.

The bank manager and its staff all enjoy a good laugh at the blonde for using a R500,000 Rolls as collateral against a R10,000 loan.

An employee of the bank then proceeds to drive the Rolls into the bank´s underground garage and parks it there.

Two weeks later, the blonde returns, repays the R10,000 and the interest, which comes to R141.66. The bank manager says, "Miss, we are very happy to have had your business, and this transaction has worked out very nicely, but we are a little puzzled. While you were away, we checked you out and found that you are a multimillionaire. What puzzles us is, why would you bother to borrow R10,000?"

The blond replies ... "Where else in Johannesburg can I park my car for two weeks for only R141.66 and expect it to be there when I return?"
Finally, a gifted blonde!!!!

Some blondes are not so dumb........

Wo bist du RD?

[skwinty]

What is the definition of an african autopilot?













A gust lock.:hmm:

[RegDep]

Ich bin da mein Freund!

One liter beer from local micro-brewery. Thüringer Bratwurst, Sauerkraut und Bratkartoffeln. Anything else you wanted to know Mate?

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/1908.jpg

[HappyPass]

I don't know why, but it seems like it's screaming "French" to me...
An open-cockpit delta-wing? :confused:

[RegDep]

What do you expect me to say HP?

[HappyPass]

That you enjoyed your beer, for example! Was it a Weiss, a Lager, or else? ;)

[RegDep]

I sure did. It was "ein helles Pils" of their own brewing. Not fully clear but very good. They run an establishment in the same block where I live, and are well frequented. Once in a while we get a round or two on the house. I kind of like that. Nice food, too. Very Berliner - general German. That's what I go there lo look for. If I want something else, there are a lot of alternatives within walking distance (which is not the Californian walking distance. That is from the door, under the canopy, to the car :p)

[HappyPass]

I like Hefe Weizen a lot. The more cloudy, the better.
Re the challenge, hints of my beloved SNCASO deltaviex and of the first Mirage (MD550), but looks smaller.
Is it a homebuilt?

[RegDep]

Not French, not homebuilt HP.

[evansb]

Hispano Aviacion P.300 ?

[RegDep]

Hispano Aviacion P.300

Exactly Brian!

"The same German-Spanish team that also designed the HA-100, designed later a light-weight supersonic interceptor with delta shaped wings designated as HA-300. For aerodynamic testing, a manned glider version was built by Hispano as the HA.P-300. However, the first flight was aborted soon after lift off behind a CASA HE-111 towing plane because the plane showed to be highly unstable. No further attempts were made to fly it further.

Over to you :D

HP why didn't you ask if it was a glider :cool:

[HappyPass]

....and another from q-zon...
Now it is bookmarked ;-)

Because it looked like a jet (and it in fact was a test bed for one).

showed to be highly unstable
Oh, and it looked unstable too ;) Was thinking: sitting nose up, but gear too flimsy to be a naval something...

[RegDep]

Not from Q-zon but from 1000aircraftphotos. But thanks for the bookmark :cool:.

[HappyPass]

I thought your PZL Grot was from q-zon...? :hmm:

[RegDep]

No.

Brian, you got something for us?

HP, in hindsight, yes, that's where I got the Grot. Had forgotten :O. I blame my advanced age and fragile health :uhoh:.

Edit: I'll be darned! A link on that site leads to my post in PPRuNe about the Grot. Take cover, we have been detected :eek:.

[evansb]

Thanks. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/CRUDE_TATOOED.jpg

[skwinty]

DOBLHOFF WNF-342V-2

[RegDep]

My prima-vista feeling is that we have had that one quite recently. Let me check.

[HappyPass]

Doblhoff WNF-342 V2
as per Aviastar ;)

Triple ###! :p

http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/332082-silhouette-challenge-578.html#post5824956
But I've never seen this picture on Pprune, so maybe I remembered its shape because I frequently browse through Aviastar...

Btw, well done skwinty! :ok:

[RegDep]

Maybe even so recently that it is not yet on Mel's list …..

In fact 23rd Jul 2010, 09:22 but I am sure later.

[skwinty]

Try this one. It's not on the list, I checked.

My first photoshop attempt, can only get better.

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af92/skwinty/Image2.jpg

[HappyPass]

V-77 Stinson Gullwing?

[skwinty]

Very good Sir, I will have to try harder.:uhoh:

[RegDep]

Hey guys, wait for Brian's call!

[skwinty]

Sorry, please fill me in on Brian's call:)

[HappyPass]

S*** I forgot again!
See, skwinty, a challenge must be validated by the poster before the solver can post a new one.
Else... You'll get a reprimand from LM! There must be order in this thread. ;)

If one cannot monitor a challenge/hasn't one ready/must dash away, can declare an Open House, even before confirmation (the formula, in that case, is "OH if right"), but never can a challenge be posted before a confirmation.

If the poster is not online for a certain number of hours (12 I believe), an agreement can be reached among Ppruners to validate the challenge in absence of the original poster, but this happens in exceptional cases and it must be evident that the guess is correct.

[skwinty]

Cool, I will get to learn the rules.

Right now it's bed time for me :zzz:

[RegDep]

The rule is that the poster of the challenge has to call the winner, before the cracker goes on. Only in the case of delayed call (over 12 hours) a quorung of "resident PPRuNers" can call the winner or declare open house. See the guidelines in the link http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/311746-what-cockpit-what-aerodrome-latest-lists.html#post3884576.

The heck with the reprimands. It is just to avoid anarchy……

I am heading to bed, too. But don't worry, we all have learned by doing and as we go. You are doing fine skwinty :ok:

[RegDep]

See skwinty, you get the rules in stereo. Ain't THAT cool :cool:

And I like your silhouette, too. Better than my first ones :ok:

[HappyPass]

'tereo... 'ereo... 'reo... 'eo...
Nite skwinty, Reg! http://factoryjoe.s3.amazonaws.com/emoticons/emoticon-0128-hi.gif

Hittin' the hay too.
See ya.

[evansb]

Yes, yes, yes, skwinty is correct. It was indeed the Doblhoff WNF-342V-2. There is so much extraneous chaff on this forum, that it probably appears to the novitiate that there are no rules.

[Lightning Mate]

There is so much extraneous chaff on this forum, that it probably appears to the novitiate that there are no rules.

....and that is one of the great things about this thread, compared with some of the boring f:mad: s:mad: I've seen on some other sites!!!

[RegDep]

Good morning all :ok:.

So, we are waiting for HP to post, aren't we? :)

[HappyPass]

Morning Reg!
I thought mine was to be considered null and void, but if you insist... ;)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2276/scchallenge02.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/scchallenge02.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning/evening all.

skwinty - PM reply. :ok:

[Noyade]

Morning gents!

The Letov S-16 mate?

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4850/images2830183.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/803/images2830183.jpg/)

[HappyPass]

Of course it is! :D:D

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4236/solutioni.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/821/solutioni.jpg/)

Control goes to the antipodes! :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks mate.

Cooking tea, no silhouettes and heading off shortly to pick up son/friends from the cinema.

Open house. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Sometimes, really weird things appear......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/weirdo-4.jpg

[HappyPass]

Hey, why did ya swap planes? :)
Ugly one this one, me likes it! :)

[HappyPass]

Austria - 1917 Lloyd 40.08 Luftkreuzer

It was enough to google-images "ugly wwi triplane" :E

[Lightning Mate]

See - it was a lot easier than you might have thought.

I removed my first one because it would have been very difficult to find (it's the weekend after all) because as far as I know it has not been built.

All yours mate. :ok:

(must go for a wee while - require 70 litres of 95 RON :eek:)

[RegDep]

I seem to have missed some fun :uhoh:.

[HappyPass]

Ye did fer shure, Reg! :)

Finely crafted from Yours Truly...
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1048/scchallenge01.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/scchallenge01.jpg/)
...and quite easy, I might add...

[Noyade]

Israeli RPV/UAV?

IAI Eitan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Eitan)

[HappyPass]

Nope, this can also fly manned, and, afaik, actually did.
Tail is also different.
Not from Israel.

[Lightning Mate]

Is it the Firebird?

[HappyPass]

Yep! The brand new Northrop Firebird by Scaled Composites.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8250/solutiont.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/solutiont.jpg/)

All yours, Mate! :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Wot's going on???? :uhoh::uhoh:

I thought HP said not from Israel.

[Noyade]

Ooops. Sorry mate....

Just got back and didn't read the posts properly.

[HappyPass]

Isn't Northrop Grumman an American company? :confused:

Edit: got it

[Lightning Mate]

Apologies for the delay - had to drop Memsab off at the Air Festival - she's part of the act!

Here you go with another weekend easy one.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/floating.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

This is a projected version of a wheeled aeroplane.

All are available as kit-built from plans - some are actually flying.

[RegDep]

Telepathy, Mate. Was just about to ask it's wheeled version status…. :)

Murphy Renegade?

[Lightning Mate]

Not a Murphy Reg.

Although this series of aeroplanes is new, they are designed to look vintage.

[skytrain10]

Afternoon...looks like a Flitzer...the Z-2 Seeschwalbe?

[Lightning Mate]

Artnoon Ken.:)

Bingo!!

Please take the thread. :ok::ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks LM. Stand-by, just preparing one.

[skytrain10]

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/278896b1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

News...

A Red Arrow has crashed here - no details as yet.

[skytrain10]

Thanks LM....just read the BBC news flash on the net.

[Lightning Mate]

Let's hope the pilot has joined a very exclusive club.

Your challenge - are they tip tanks or sensor pods?

[skytrain10]

are they tip tanks or sensor pods? Tip tanks.

Edit, ignore that....they are NOT sensor pods, but there is nothing in the aircrafts description that I have found to say what they are.

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks mate.

We have a new member of the Martin Baker club.:ok:

[HappyPass]

We have a new member of the Martin Baker clubhttp://factoryjoe.s3.amazonaws.com/emoticons/emoticon-0141-whew.gif...........:ok:

[skytrain10]

We have a new member of the Martin Baker club
Excellent:ok: Gather it came down near Castlepoint, hope no one hurt on the ground?

[Lightning Mate]

Near Hurn Bridge just South of the airport.

Is yours a twin jet bomber?

but there is nothing in the aircrafts description that I have found to say what they are.

They appear to have little lateral depth, so I'm wondering if they are simply experimental wing end-plates.

[skytrain10]

Is yours a twin jet bomber? Not exactly...twin prop transport. Props themselves hidden by the fuselage.

so I'm wondering if they are simply experimental wing end-plates. Could be...seeing if I can find out.

[Lightning Mate]

If it's propeller driven, then I can only assume they are two-bladed, or else one blade would be visible somewhere.

[skytrain10]

Yep, 2 bladed props...they were in the horizontal position in the photo.

To make life interesting....this is the prototype of an aircraft we have had before, BUT it bears little resemblance to the production model. So I figure I am justified in posting!

[Lightning Mate]

Needle in a haystack job then. :\

[RegDep]

Skytrain, let's try this: What was the biggest/most prominent change they made to the production series?

[RegDep]

Hallo hesham, tell us what it is!

[skytrain10]

What was the biggest/most prominent change they made to the production series? Most obvious...the production model was low wing!

[RegDep]

production model was low wing

Well, that IS something :ooh:.


Edit: Maybe he says next that it was four-engine, twin-tail and taildragger, too. Or all that plus a jet :suspect:

HappyPass, say something!

[evansb]

Evangel 4500 prototype, damn it!

[HappyPass]

Something.
Partly I'm busy with some domestic hassles, partly I don't know what to say.
I can't imagine why a good and stable high wing design should be changed into a floating-prone low wing.
First thought when I first saw the silhouette was "maritime recon".
Second was that the nose gear looks like the one on a B-29.
Third was third world country.
:bored::confused::suspect:

Edit:disregard... :p

[RegDep]

Why the questionmark?

I know and you know that skytrain's picture is a flipped, greyscaled picture of an Evangel 4500 prototype. My problem is that I learned it from your post :{


AND believe it or not, the Evangel 4500 IS a taildragger :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

[skytrain10]

Evangel 4500 prototype ?
That's the one Brian :ok:. Despite the obvious differences most of the parts from the prototype were used to construct the first production aircraft.
Here is N4501L as the prototype:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/e7462ed2.jpg

And here is what happens when you re-arrange the parts!
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/a1ec8371.jpg

evansb has control

[evansb]

Thanks. My memory is such that I had to start the search from scratch on the Evangel, as I had no immediate recollection of the type. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/NO_ARTIST.jpg

[RegDep]

Yours is MÁVAG "Héja" II, Brian.

[evansb]

RegDep is spot on:ok: You have control.

[RegDep]

Thanks Brian!

Here

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-08-20um134752-1.jpg

[skwinty]

PO-2 Polikarpov Kukuruznik

[Lightning Mate]

Blimey! I go out for an hour and it's all happened!!

It seems our Red Arrow is not well.

[RegDep]

PO-2 Polikarpov Kukuruznik

It sure is skwinty :D

Over to you :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Check the military thread about the Red Arrow crash!!!

Anything for us skwinty?

Oh no - he's gone!!!!

[Lightning Mate]

Sod this - nothing to do.

Weidersehen.

[skwinty]

Okay, I'm back again. Had an unexpected visitor and couldn't be rude.

Will get something together shortly.

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af92/skwinty/oo.gif

[Lightning Mate]

Had an unexpected visitor and couldn't be rude

I have that problem sometimes - it's usually me wife!

[skwinty]

Hi LM,

Do you have one of these for your Baker tie?

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af92/skwinty/CaterpillarClubPin.jpg

[HappyPass]

Do my eyes deceive me, or I spot a typical British tail style? :8

[Lightning Mate]

Blackburn R.T.1 Kangaroo.


Do my eyes deceive me, or I spot a typical British tail style?

Yes mate. :p

[skwinty]

Yes Sir.:cool:

You're up.

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks sk.

It's a while since we had one of these - ain't difficult.......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/balloon.jpg



Hi LM,

Do you have one of these for your Baker tie?

Did have - lost it!! To get one the parachute had to be made by Irvin - not all were.

[HappyPass]

I read the sad news in the Military forum...
May he rest in peace.

[Lightning Mate]

Agreed.

Did you notice that the mods shut down the site this evening while they "sorted out the morons" ?

Some of us have had to live with the loss of fellow professional colleagues and dear friends. I am still in contact with the wives of several friends who never made it.

Thankfully I did.

You will never find a fighter pilot down in Hell............they all go elsewhere.......

[HappyPass]

Bullet 580 Airship?

World’s Largest Airship Inflated At Alabama Cattle Barn | TheTechJournal.com (http://thetechjournal.com/tech-news/worlds-largest-airship-inflated-at-alabama-cattle-barn.xhtml)

[Lightning Mate]

Yep.

I don't do difficult at weekends.

Yours AGAIN. :ok:

[HappyPass]

Thanks Mate!
Just the finishing touches...

Done!
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3711/scchallenge.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/scchallenge.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Check my post 1162 above.

Just sk and me around..............SHOOT......

[Lightning Mate]

Holy s##t mate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That just has to be a project only - possibly WW2.

[RegDep]

Good grief, HappyPass! What is that?

Not only a flipped piccie but a flopped aircraft?

[HappyPass]

Re-read it.
You mean the whole Pprune site, not only the thread?
I didn't notice, was fighting (and winning) against a mammoth portion of homemade Beef Noodles, plus beer.
The Real McCoy, if you ask me... :ok:

What is that?
Y'mean specifically or generally? (hint, hint, hint...)

[Lightning Mate]

That has to be twin finned or it ain't got any directional stability.

Come to think of it, there wouldn't be any anyway.

I humbly suggest that it never flew.................

[HappyPass]

H tail, I'm positive it never flew, nor was built.
Even its "big brother" was cancelled (but at least one exemplar was built).

hmmm... looks like someone's nearing 4k... :ok:

[RegDep]

Real McCoy… Norman…. Selby…..

[HappyPass]

Not the boxer, Reg
The real McCoy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_real_McCoy)

[RegDep]

The real McCoy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Right. That's where I found it…….

Would that be some sort of autogiro, perchance?

[skwinty]

Looks similar to a Miles M22 that also remained on the ground.:\

[HappyPass]

Not an autogyro, Mate is closer.
Only, the Miles M-22 was submitted, this one was projected to satisfy a specification.

flipped piccie
Not flipped.

[brokenlink]

First try at this competition so this may be way off the mark. Looks Italian WW2 era, Cant maybe?

BL

[HappyPass]

Evening brokenlink, and welcome to the SC thread.
It is a WW2 project for sure, but it's not Italian.
You might want to check the other side of the field.

[RegDep]

Was the big brother Grumman XF5F Skyrocket ?

[HappyPass]

Nope.
The big brother had a power operated turret armed with cannons, and I think this one did too, since the specification was the same.

[Lightning Mate]

Mate is closer

I know...........

[RegDep]

A Martin-Baker?

[Lightning Mate]

Bristol F11-37

The Defiant replacement.

[HappyPass]

One source gives me as one manufacture, one other (the one talking about the bigger design) as another.
I'm not even sure that the two are the same, so the number of the spec is enough.
It can be found in a certain site displaying the work of an illustrator.

Mate got it!
Air Ministry Specification F.11/37.
Boulton Paul P.92 was cancelled, this one not even built.
Back to you! :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

OK guys, I'm off to bed shortly.

I am happy to offer an OH unless you want something to work on until the European morning.

Remember Noyade will pitch up soon.

What would you like?

[RegDep]

So, it was not Bristol Type 153A :suspect:

If Graeme would have been around, he had cracked it in no time. He has dealt with the same challenge in 2008 in another forum :E.

[HappyPass]

Do what you like, Mate, both are fine for me.

[Lightning Mate]

So, it was not Bristol Type 153A

No mate - the F11-37. :p:p

Reg - your comments on my post 1185?

[RegDep]

Go ahead and shoot!

Remember Martin-Baker maxim: Not one second too late!

(Edit: Here I go again tellin' my father how to make children :O)

[skwinty]

I got so carried away looking at pics of aircraft prototypes that never flew I forget to come back to the thread. And, I saw the damn F11/37.

Good one.:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

OK everyone - I'll stay up a little longer......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/hiperformance.jpg


Remember Martin-Baker maxim: Not one second too late!


Sadly sometimes it is.

In memory of a Red Arrow.

[RegDep]

Sadly sometimes it is.

In memory of a Red Arrow.

Sincerely agreed.

Sgnd: Wingman

[HappyPass]

Is there a specific name for that tail planes configuration where the horizontal stabilizer is fore/aft of the vertical? :confused:

[Lightning Mate]

None whatsoever.

It's simply the balance between static directional and longitudinal stability.

OK gentlemen, it's getting late.

If you identify it without doubt please feel free to go ahead and post a new one.

Bis morgen.

Night/nacht. :zzz:

[skwinty]

None whatsoever.

Perfect description for answers I am getting.

I am cross eyed now and need to retire.

See you all later.:zzz:

[RegDep]

Well, HP. Where would you date this thing? Pre or post WW2?

[HappyPass]

I think it's American, late 40s or early 50s, inverted engine perhaps, something in the league of Culvers and the Mooney Mite.
I certainly won't start browsing Aerofiles now though.
Good hunt and good night Reg, see ya tomorrow! :ok:

[RegDep]

Why cannot it be, in fact, Culvers MODEL V……

Edit: Good night, see you in the morning!

[SincoTC]

Late in, had a busy day, so a quick look before bed!

I think it's the Superior Satellite of 1957

Found what looks like LM's picture (flipped of course) in Proberts Superior Satellite (http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?keyword=Superior+Satellite&section=I&offset=0)

Digging around in Aerofiles I find that it was a rebuild of the Culver PQ-8 target drone.

Open House if correct please as it's another hectic day ahead tomorrow; it looks like there was a good number of players today, but sad about Red4 and add my commiserations.

[HappyPass]

Good find, TC! :ok:
I was unsure about the engine, and in fact it turned out to be an horizontally opposed one, just like many others in that period, and I was a bit off with the date, but as for the rest...

[RegDep]

Good morning HP!

What bothered me in the challenge was that I thought the air intake was below the cone (like in Model V) but I was unsure if you could hide the gull-wing in a silhouette.

I looked at the drone-story, but all pictures had the intake as for an horisontal-opposed, and the landing gear didn't seem retractable.

A nice challenge!

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning everyone. :)

TC has hit the target again with the Superior Satellite. :ok::ok:

He has sadly had to declare OH, so off you go - under starters orders........................

[Noyade]

under starters orders...

*bang!*

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/2357/img039l.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/img039l.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Bang indeed!

Evening mate. :)

Is this a home-built LSA?

[Noyade]

Hello! :) Yes indeed mate. Got it from the same place you got the Superior Satellite from...

Probert Encyclopaedia - Aircraft (http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/aircraft.htm)

[RegDep]

FOSTER BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS

[Noyade]

:ok:

Took him 22 years to make.....

Your control Reg! :)

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8814/img038te.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/img038te.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Thanks Graeme!

Here is your next:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-08-21um115607-1.jpg

M has gone soft at AQ, hasn't he?

[Lightning Mate]

M has gone soft at AQ, hasn't he?

Who's M?

Yours looks like it has no power, which I can't believe.

Another secret British Air Ministry project?

[HappyPass]

Is that thing on the front an exhaust pipe or a snorkel? :p
Austria-Hungary or Germany, WWI?

Edit: but more importantly, on what is it supposed to land? For I can spot no wheels nor floats... :8

[Lightning Mate]

HP,

I think it could well be an amphibian, but I'm sure it was only a project.

C'mon Graeme - we all know you're lurking. :E

[RegDep]

It is from a schematic picture and missing the landing gear. It had wheels and was a conventional land plane. Built and flew. Not Austro-Hungarian, and was post WW1.

The thing is a radiator.

Want the scheme without silhouetting?

[Lightning Mate]

Yes pleeeese...

Is the "hump" the cockpit?

[RegDep]

Just a moment. The hump is the cockpit.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-08-21um115607.png

[HappyPass]

What a ridiculous contraption!
...me likes it! :)

Aaah but now think I know the source!!!

Edit: no I don't, no need to pm...
Lunchtime!

[Lightning Mate]

Aaah but now I know the source!!!

How come you clever barsteward?

Looks twin-supercharged but wheressa prop?

[RegDep]

Aaah but now I know the source!!!

PM me it if you think you do :E.

'cause I think you don't.

[Lightning Mate]

Reg,

Am I right about the superchargers?

[RegDep]

Am I right about the superchargers

"G, turbo-compressor"

"A, propeller shaft"

[Lightning Mate]

So, a turbocharger then.

Since that is exhaust-driven I cannot for the life of me work out why the exhaust faces forward. That would only increase exhaust back pressure, which is the last thing you would want!!!

I remain baffled.

'E' - intercoolers.

Oi! - is it twin-engined? I see a driveshaft below the front upper fuselage....

[RegDep]

"E, oil tank"

Double-Twin-engined, one propeller.

[Lightning Mate]

Repeat Q from previous page:

Oi! - is it twin-engined? I see a driveshaft below the front upper fuselage....

[hesham]

Sorry my dear RegDep,

Hallo hesham, tell us what it is!

I just see your note,and which aircraft you speak about it?.

[skwinty]

Breguet 14?

[Lightning Mate]

..........oh dear......oh dear........!!!!!





PM skwinty.

[RegDep]

Not 14 skwinty.

[RegDep]

LM, don't let yourself to get fooled by distractions….

"E, oil tank"

Double-Twin-engined, one propeller.

Wanna see a photo of the engine room?

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-08-21um125432.png

"Behind the pilot and under the same roof, so to speak, is the wireless cabin,
for of course the xxxx will be provided with this modern adjunct to air travel"

[Lightning Mate]

Judging by your response to sk, was it a Breguet?

Siamesed engines? :\

[RegDep]

Bugatti engines…..

[hesham]

Hi,

Breguet Br.20

[skwinty]

Breguet U16

[RegDep]

Breguet Br.20

Hesham has got it :ok:

Will you post a challenge or declare OH?

BTW Thanks for your note, I don't remember which challenge it was but we eventually solved it.

[hesham]

OK RegDep,

and here's we go;


http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz37/heshamh/1-3.jpg

[RegDep]

LM

Siamese engines all right!

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-08-21um134247.png

A double-twin because each of the four banks of eight cylinders could be clutched off!

[RegDep]

Yours must be a French project, mustn't it hesham?

Like Amiot 530

"it is nice to know Amiot projects"

[hesham]

Yes RD,

you have the control.

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you my dear Caravellarella very much,




..................

[RegDep]

Thanks hesham!

Just a moment….

Sorry. Must be multi-tasking for a moment. Please go ahead and post, whoever wish, to keep the ball rolling.

[Lightning Mate]

Reg,

Keep your private e-mail tab open this afternoon - it's soon time for that tutorial. :)

C'mon then skwinty - throw something up.

PS - I could have answered your post about the Lightning.

[skwinty]

Here is a quick and easy.

Didn't ask here for fear of being off topic.:=

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af92/skwinty/sc1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

That's the Westland P-12 Wendover innit.

[skwinty]

Indeed, although it is sometimes the Westland P12 Lysander in some circles.:)

[RegDep]

Giggle 'ugliest aircraft'

[Lightning Mate]

Ah...you're back Reg.

Do you now wish to avail yourself of your previous win?

Received your mails BTW. :ok:

Time for that tutorial shortly.......

[Lightning Mate]

Might be an idea to include skwinty.

[skwinty]

Please do.:8

[Lightning Mate]

OK mate.

Reg and I do this via private e-mail because then we don't need to waste time with Photobucket.

PM for you shortly with my address.

BTW - you will need an abbreviated Adobe Photoshop programme, but you'll find it interesting anyway.

Reg is my star pupil.

PM airborne.

[Lightning Mate]

Well Reg - wannit or not?

skwinty, another interesting PM for you.

[RegDep]

I do

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-08-21um155418.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

:mad:.........