Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[Ridge Runner]

Morning David!

Are we looking from the front, upper? Are those veins at the ends of the "aerofoils"? Jet powered?

RR

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Martin.

You are looking from the front and below.

The vertical structures are control surfaces embedded in the wing leading edge.

Not jet propelled, and launched using RATO.

[Ridge Runner]

OK. A "lifting body" machine perhaps?

[Lightning Mate]

Not really - a blended delta wing.

[Ridge Runner]

OK, I'm stumped!!! :(

[Lightning Mate]

OK mate - do you have anything prepared, 'cawz I'll give good clues. ;)

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, mate. I have one ready....

[Lightning Mate]

It's a UAV with a rotary petrol engine, and the engine has been specifically designed for that use.

More in a minute.........

[Lightning Mate]

Defence suppression drone.

Designed and built in South Africa late 80s early 90s.

[Ridge Runner]

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/3847/50704951.jpg (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/50704951.jpg/)
The Lark?????????

[Lightning Mate]

Bingo!

All yours mate - just as well really because I have to leave shortly.

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks David.

Here's one for whoever is out there!!!!

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune230312B.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

I'm still here.

[Lightning Mate]

mmmm.....does it have a horizontally-opposed twin?

[Ridge Runner]

er... no, David

[Lightning Mate]

Now it's me who is stumped. :uhoh:

[Ridge Runner]

OK. Its a mod of a well known machine. It went in to limited production. It had/has a four-cyl lump up front.

Edited to clarify

[Lightning Mate]

Is that mod the fin/rudder?

[Ridge Runner]

Not as far as I know. In fact it looks much like the original ...... :)

[Lightning Mate]

I asked because it reminds me of a similar French job.

[Ridge Runner]

Not French in any way, David

[Lightning Mate]

Coffee break.

Was this modification the addition of a canopy?

[Ridge Runner]

Certainly the modification included the canopy as seen, yes.

[Lightning Mate]

So presumably it was previously a two-seater open cockpit.

[Ridge Runner]

never presume, mate!! :) No!!!!!

[Ridge Runner]

Another clue?

[Lightning Mate]

:uhoh::\:(:confused:......

Joy.....next lecture cancelled.

So was it previously a single-seater open cockpit?

[Ridge Runner]

So was it previously a single-seater open cockpit?

Nope!!! :E

It was previously a two-seat closed cockpit, David

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/reignac-sur-indre-maze.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

OK, this needs to move along....

1. a mod of a well-known machine
2. was produced in limited numbers
3. four-cyl engine up front
4. was a two-seat enclosed cockpit
5. is still a two-seat enclosed cockpit
6. had some very drastic surgery!!!!! :)

RR

edit: the bits that stayed pretty-much original were: rear fuselage/tail, front end (engine etc), undercarriage.....

Come on, you should get it now!!! :)

[Lightning Mate]

Therefore was it previously a bipe?

[Ridge Runner]

No, David. It was previously a high-wing! :)

[Lightning Mate]

Oh!!!!!....

edit - sorry mate, but I have to go home. :uhoh:

[Ridge Runner]

15 minute WARNING!!!!!

Its sunny and I've been invited to a BBQ!!!!! So, SC will have to hang on.... If i can I'll check later. I'll post another clue before I head off and ten, if it is guessed and then seconded I'm happy for the thread to move on!!!

RR

[Ridge Runner]

http://kungfu-guide.com/img_wb/462001111510823po.jpg

Clues:

1. Its name in English pre-conversion has the same meaning as its name post-conversion, albeit in a different language!
2. Military application

RR

[Cows getting bigger]

That will be a LIPNUR Belalang. A 1950s Indonesian monstrosity carved from a Piper Cub.

[Lightning Mate]

Nobody who plays on this thread could possibly dispute that shot. :D

Check the background.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/belalang.jpg

Therefore, all alone, I award you the thread. Please post - if you are unable to do so then PM me immediatley.

[Cows getting bigger]

Sorry, OH. Ordinarily I'm not in a position to post pictures as I spend most of my time away from a computer that allows me to edit.

[Ridge Runner]

Morning!!!!! Yes, CGB has it! the Lipnur Belalang ("Grasshopper") from Indonesia, converted from L-4s.

OPEN HOUSE stands

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Martin. :)

I hope you don't mind, but I awarded that to Cgb on my own because there were absolutely no doubts and there was nobody else around to second.

I was hoping to get a new challenge, but 'twas not to be.

[Ridge Runner]

Absolutely no problem! It is what I intended..... I'll see what i can dig up!!!

[Lightning Mate]

Do I gather you are taking the OH?

[Ridge Runner]

How about this?

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/ppune270312A.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

How about it indeed!

Is it a home-built?

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, David. One built, i belive.

[Ridge Runner]

Well, after an action-packed day on SC I'm off to the sun!!!!!!!! Catch you all tomorrow. Normal rules apply... RR

[Ridge Runner]

Oh dear..... Clue time?

Poinsard two-cylinder horizontally-opposed air-cooled engine

RR

[Lightning Mate]

To avoid a dead thread.....

Gatard Statoplan AG 01 Alouette

[Ridge Runner]

phew..... That's the jobby... all yours, David!

[Lightning Mate]

Well, I have been sitting here for some time waiting for somebody else to pitch up.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/niceday-6.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Is that a human hanging underneath it, David?

[Lightning Mate]

I certainly hope so!

[Lightning Mate]

This machine bears the name of a fast bird and is foot-launched. :)

[Ridge Runner]

Something like this Swift, David?

http://aero.stanford.edu/reports/images/SwiftAndWaves.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Martin.

It is indeed the Swift 2.

All yours. :ok:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Swift2footlaunchedsaiplane.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

PS - where on earth is everyone else lately?

[Ridge Runner]

No idea! Even Ken has disappeared!!!!! Give me a short time ..... Meanwhile if anyone else wants to post one , be my guest! :)

[Lightning Mate]

I am your only guest!

[Ridge Runner]

Cancel the offer.. i will post in a few minutes! :)

[Lightning Mate]

I wasn't about to do anything!

[Ridge Runner]

Here you are ....

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune290312A.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Was/is it American, or am I being fooled by the P47?

[Ridge Runner]

Not American, David :E

[Lightning Mate]

I have to go offline because of a server problem. :uhoh:

[Lightning Mate]

Back online.

Martin, is yours from Europe or even further East ?

[Ridge Runner]

European, David

[Lightning Mate]

Many thanks mate - I have been looking (on a hunch) much further East.

Strikes me that it is from a former Warsaw Pact country.

[Ridge Runner]

Nope!

Western Europe
1949
Homebuilt

RR

[Lightning Mate]

Something based on a SIPA ?

[Ridge Runner]

not as far as I know. i will check!

[Lightning Mate]

I asked that based upon the fin shape and small flaps.

[Ridge Runner]

not as far as I know. i will check!

No!! Sorry, David

[Lightning Mate]

Bugger.

I'm off home now mate.

[Ridge Runner]

bugger, is that the time!

Well I hope you get this little bird soon, mate!!!!

RR

Edit: normal rules apply - if you can get another person on the thread! :(

[Spit161]

Stumped me..
:(

[SincoTC]

Evening Martin (well, I see you're light's still on) :),

It looks like you and David have been struggling to keep thing moving without much company!! I've been really tied up with work, visitors and dog/house sitting. A little bit of light at the end of the tunnel now, so I'll try and do a bit more again :)

Your challenge is the French Dabos-Masclet JDM "Roitelet"

Dabos-Masclet JDM 'Roitelet' - Tourisme - Un sicle d'aviation franaise (http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance1.php?ID=9611&ID_CONSTRUCTEUR=0&ANNEE=1949&ID_MISSION=130&MOTCLEF=)

Edit: Jake, you might be stumped, but it's nice to see you back again :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Evening TC. :)

Nice to see you back...................s:mad:t for brains. :)

[SincoTC]

Evening LM :),

Do you want to second my answer, I'm off home in about ten minutes, but I've got an easy one prepared!

[Lightning Mate]

SECONDED by me.

GO...............

[SincoTC]

Ta!!

'Ere 'tiz then

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf219.jpg


Off home now, back back in forty mins or so (Usual Rules apply :p)

[SincoTC]

Back on watch; now don't all rush guys, 'tizn't Petrol :)!!

[Lightning Mate]

Nice to see you mate .

Thassa Fauvel AV-60 innit!

[SincoTC]

Thassa Fauvel AV-60 innit

Tiz indeed mate :D

This small one-seater airplane, comparable to the JODEL D-9 "bébé" or to the DRUINE "Turbulent", was designed specifically for amateur builders. The prototype was constructed by Leonard D. Wolff (assisted by his friend Davidson) at Houston, Texas in the United States. The AV-60 made its first flight on July 14, 1963, piloted by Davidson, when it actually became airborne during a "planned high speed taxi run". The plane was exhibited at the National Air Show in Texas on November 3, 1963, where it was a big success.

Christened as Leprechaun (the imp of Irish folklore), the AV-60 had been developed by Charles Fauvel in collaboration with G. Jacquemin, an aeronautical engineer working in Canada. The construction plans were produced in English. It is a low aspect ratio flying wing, with a nose-mounted Volkswagen engine (converted for aircraft use) of 1300 cc, weighing 48 kg and developing 40 Horsepower at 3500 RPM. A formed plexiglas bubble canopy covers the cockpit which is located over the low wing. The most remarkable characteristic is the absence of a long conventional fuselage structure with a laminated wood shell structure comprising the vertical stabilizer and the rudder attach beam being further braced by a triangular tubular beam from the wing itself. The prototype was equipped with a standard fixed tricycle landing gear, based on that of the TIPPSY Nipper.



http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/av60.jpg

Lightning Mate has control :ok:

Edit:
Just having a quick look back at what I've missed, what have you and Martin done with Ken and Graeme (what have you done with the bodies)? I won't tell :E!!

[skytrain10]

Hi Trevor...I've been away this week so not had too much opportunity to look in - and on the odd occasion when I have, there was not a lot happening - like this evening! On the basis you've not been around assume much the same applies?

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken,

Exactly the same!! Glad to see you back too, both turn up together eh, just like London Buses! Let nobody say it's 'coz the crap always rises to the surface though or we'll bugger off again := :)

[skytrain10]

just like London Buses! Just needs Graeme to turn up now:)

David's green light has gone off now, so looks like he's has turned in for the night. Time to go and have a look at Aviaquiz now.

I'll say good night and may catch you tomorrow:)

[SincoTC]

I think you might be right, still we shouldn't worry, have you had a look at that Kiwi quiz lately, it makes a glacier look positively fast.

Is that a courtesy call to AQ or do you take part :)

Goodnight Ken, :ok:

[skytrain10]

Must admit I've not looked at the NZ one for more than a year - it was pretty quiet then and sounds like not much has changed!
I've been taking part in AQ since it was relaunched in Jan. My problem is remembering to look - as a result I completely missed 2 of the challenges :(.

[Spit161]

Thanks TC, see you around!

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning.

Nice to see you all back. :)

Here's a straightforward one to kick the day off.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/weather.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Your challenge is the French Dabos-Masclet JDM "Roitelet"


That's the one, TC, well done! The Jug, David, was French!

RR

[Lightning Mate]

So I see mate. :\

Why didn't you have a stab at "Challenge" ?

[Ridge Runner]

Is yours another UAV/Drone, David?

[Ridge Runner]

Why didn't you have a stab at "Challenge" ?

Sorry.. a bit behind the curve!! :(

[Lightning Mate]

Not a UAV or drone Martin - it was planned to be manned.

Project only.

....out of class now and monitoring.....

edit: there are intelligence reports that it did fly, but nothing is certain.

[Ridge Runner]

are they downturned wing tips, David?

[Lightning Mate]

They are indeed Martin. ;)

[Ridge Runner]

and a flying-wing or delta? Those large fins do make it look Russian or even Chinese. Would it be either of these?

[Lightning Mate]

It's a delta flying wing mate, but not from either of those two countries.

[Lightning Mate]

Wanna small clue?

[SincoTC]

On lunch break for another fifteen minutes!

Wanna small clue?

No mate, a large one :)

Unless is an oldie like the Lippich 13b ??

[Lightning Mate]

No more clues required.

All yours mate. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Oh bugger :O, I thought it might be that!! Thanks David

I'm off to the workshop in five minutes and can't monitor 'till later this afternoon, I'll call an Open House for now and maybe Martin or a lurker has got one ready to go?

[Lightning Mate]

Oh sod!!!

We're back to a two man show and Martin has been posting some Barstewards (at least as far as I am concerned anyway).

[SincoTC]

Sorry mate, I'll do what I can, as soon as I can, but don't let me stop anybody in the meantime!

[Lightning Mate]

Throw one up anyway mate - we'll wait for you to check in.

[SincoTC]

That's the problem, I don't have one prepared (hangs head in shame) I'm sleeveless :(

[Lightning Mate]

Short sleeve shirts again. :E

[Lightning Mate]

Oh dear TC - RR has gone.

:zzz:

[Ridge Runner]

Back from lunch ... give me a few minutes!

[Ridge Runner]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune300312A.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

What made me think it wouldn't be very long.............

[Lightning Mate]

Baumann Brigadier B-250

[Ridge Runner]

That's the one, David! You have CONTROL!!!!

[Lightning Mate]

:p.........

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/fri-3.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Rollason Condor??

[Lightning Mate]

Good enough.

All yours again. :ok:

[Ridge Runner]

a rough edit .. :( http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune300312B-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Judging by the registration of the other one, it's a Yank.

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, David!

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry mate - gozome time again.

Maybe Trevor will be back shortly.

[Ridge Runner]

Sunny again so off to the pub!!!!! Usual rules apply ... I'm sure TC will get it!!!

RR

[Lightning Mate]

Is it classified as a sesquiplane?

[Ridge Runner]

Blimey, I'm not sure!!!!! Certainly that is not quoted on the text I've got that relates to it! It certainly has a lower set of wings, though!

Edit: the answer is that, yes, it is a sesquiplane!

[Ridge Runner]

... now I'm off to the pub ........ :)

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/fighting_toon_postcard-p239268906798092576z8iat_400-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

You two-timing slut TC - deserting us for What Cockpit.......:ooh:

[SincoTC]

Just posting one before I went home as I couldn't attend to it earlier :p

Off now, had a quick look on Aerofiles for RR's silhouette, but there's a lot to trawl through without info on the donk or the number of seats :ugh:

I'll be back later!!

[Lightning Mate]

It's a four seater, but I am still struggling.

[SincoTC]

It's a four seater

Is that just a hunch? 'Coz I see no info on seats from Martin!

Struggled to a complete standstill :\, my cockpit's safely put to bed, now it's time for me to join it :zzz: ZZzzzzz!!

[evansb]

Piper J-3/PA-18 wing ? (So, so many aircraft have that airfoil....)

J-3/PA-18 bungee undercarriage ? (So, so many aircraft have that undercarriage...)

Flying agricultural implement/Top dresser/Spray-plane/Aerial Applicator ?

Lycoming power plant ?

Stinson tail ?

Kit-built ?

How many were produced/built ?

How many are presently on the U.S. civil aircraft registration file ?

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/16621.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

It says 'ere that it's a PIPER PA-18-125 Bri.

[Lightning Mate]

If we don't see RR for some time, then I think you should have that one just on the basis of finding that photo.

Where did you get it?

[evansb]

It says where?

I think it is a Piper J-3/PA-18 modified for ag-work... At present, I am unsure if it is serial-specific non-Piper produced aircraft. Several in-house mods have been produced on this venerable airframe. Still, it is on my top-ten list of best aircraft ever produced.

[Lightning Mate]

It says where?

On the US register for N1906A.

It's a'52 model and lives in Fort Peck in MT.

[SincoTC]

Good morning/evening/night :)

The only thing I've found is the Aeromod Loadstar Model 100

Loadstar Model 100 (http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/cgi-bin/res.pl?keyword=Loadstar+Model+100&offset=0)

If that's what it is (and I see it has a different Reg, so there must have been more than a one-off), I think that Brian should take the win as I wouldn't have found it without his lead!

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Mate.

Well, this is interesting.

I like your shot, but I have checked the US register as above and that's what it says.

Having said that, I agree with your comments re. Brian.

The question is - when will we see Martin? Are we going to run with it as it is or wait?

edit - I note that Proberts' refers to it as a biplane, so where did Martin get the sequiplane from when I asked him?

[evansb]

Thank you gentlemen.:O The answer to "where" is Billings, Montana. OPEN HOUSE

[Lightning Mate]

At least that will keep the thread going for a while.

Trevor, I'm off to the barber.

[SincoTC]

Happy Clam shaving :eek: :), goodnight Canada and sleep well :ok:!!

I note that Proberts' refers to it as a biplane, so where did Martin get the sequiplane from when I asked him?

It does mention a lower wing, which is what he first said, but I guess there must be other references, it is on Aerofiles sans picture (but as a two seater, so I missed it first pass), otherwise maybe in Air Pictorial or similar, I'm busy at the moment and there aren't many about, so I'll wait and see if RR turns up and says what is is!

Catchya later LM.

[Ridge Runner]

Loadstar Model 100 (http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/cgi-bin/res.pl?keyword=Loadstar+Model+100&offset=0)



That's the one, TC!!!!! Another in my line of modified Cubs! Trevor has CONTROL

It does mention a lower wing, which is what he first said, but I guess there must be other references, maybe in Air Pictorial or similar, I'm busy at the moment and there aren't many about, so I'll wait and see if RR turns up and says what is is!



A sesquiplane in my book! - the lower wing being smaller than the upper!

[SincoTC]

Morning Martin :),

A good challenge mate, pretty damned elusive!! I don't think I'd have found it without Bri's photo, but as he's either :zzz: now or Clam worrying, I'll put one up in a moment"

'Ere tiz then,

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf220.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks Trevor. Unfortunately the shops await ... :( I'll catch you later.

RR

[SincoTC]

Shops, pubs!! All this high living will catch up with you :=

Enjoy it mate :)!

[Lightning Mate]

Looks a bit like the Gourdou-Leseurre GL-832 HY.

[SincoTC]

Looks a bit like theGourdou-Leseurre GL-832 HY

That's 'coz it is a Gourdou-Leseurre GL-832 HY :D

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/gl832-2.jpg

Lightning Mate has control :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

A good start mate.

Please standby.......

Would you like something old and fast or very old and very slow? :)

[SincoTC]

Would you like something old and fast or very old and very slow?

Something old and fast like me!!

[Lightning Mate]

Right ho - two minutes (and it's easy)....

"just like you"....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/justlikeyou.jpg

[SincoTC]

First impressions are that it's Werner von Braun's manned A-4 Rocket ??

Edit: maybe the A-6

[Lightning Mate]

Well, I did say it was easy (goes off to prepare another one).

Back to you mate. :ok:

[SincoTC]

(goes off to prepare another one)

Ditto :\:\, still sleeveless :(!! Back soon

[Lightning Mate]

:eek:...........

[SincoTC]

A bit scruffy, but it's quite old!!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf221.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

I know the feeling..........

Radial or inline? Two-seater?

[SincoTC]

Well, judging by that stack, I'd say probaly an inline by our favourite manufacturer, but I have no information other than it's German, a one off and it's year and role

Edit, I see you've spruced up now with that hair-cut, so not so scruffy :)! Yes it's a two-seater

[Lightning Mate]

That well set back tailplane and the fin/rudder shape is classic Albatros, but that's about all.

a one off

...oh bugger - off again.......

[Lightning Mate]

I'll hazard a guess that it's intended role was recce.

[SincoTC]

Nope,

It's role was a side-by-side trainer!

Edit: been digging a bit and it was powered by a Mercedes D II

[Lightning Mate]

Last edited by SincoTC; 31st Mar 2012 at 00:01. Reason: LM's not the only one
struggling on this one!


He is now!!!

[SincoTC]

Not many clues to give really

From a Russian site: First flight took place in the winter of 1918

Engine Mercedes D II 120 hp

[Lightning Mate]

Forgotten password for Breguets. :uhoh::uhoh:

Therefore no pics to go on so a very long shot.

Side-by-side trainer - 1 built -1918-1919.....

Kondor B.I / Kondor K-100



The all wooden biplane looks distinctive by its two-bay wing construction
with the struts set at a slight angle.


Two only known pictures.

[SincoTC]

Not that long a shot mate, it is the Kondor BI (aka Kondor K-100) :D

Not just on Breguets though see both pics on Airwar Kondor B.I (http://www.airwar.ru/enc/other1/kondorb1.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/kondorb1-2.jpg

Lightning Mate has control :ok:

Just going to give the lawn a hair-cut before the dry spell ends!

[Lightning Mate]

Holy s##t !!

Now I have to think...................

[Lightning Mate]

When you're ready with a bright green light I will give you yet another choice. :)

[SincoTC]

OK, let me see the menu then :)

[Lightning Mate]

Green light.

So, my previous very old and very slow, or a project helicopter based upon one which was built.

....I could do a three course menu though, but the last course is a surprise.....

[SincoTC]

Let's try the Helicopter Project then, although I have to out for an hour soon!

[Lightning Mate]

As requested:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/yourchoice.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

although I have to out for an hour soon

Where are you going?

Back to school for written English tuition? :E:E

[SincoTC]

Off for some comestibles right now. I will see if I can pick up a bag of commas too as I'm fresh out... :p!!

[Lightning Mate]

:D.............

[SincoTC]

Bo:mad:ks!!! Some dumb a:mad:le has removed one of the most valuable VSTOL historical research sites on the web, a real treasure trove, full of drawings, photos and information, that seems to have gone down the snazzy new plughole :ugh:

http://www.aiaa.org/tc/vstol/unbuilt/


Oh well, back to the hard graft I suppose!

Rather straight rotors and not much room for any blade-droop, so is it relatively small?

European?

[Lightning Mate]

I know, but don't worry mate!

It is indeed European - the part which is so-called East. ;)

[SincoTC]

Morning LM :)

Hectic day ahead mate, gonna be in and out all day, I hope some others turn up to speed things along!

European - the part which is so-called East. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wink2.gif

Does the wink mean it's Russian and what era was it, I'm not heving much luck with this so far :\!!

PS. You didn't answer my question about size!

[Lightning Mate]

Morning TC.

Not Russian. A hit on the right country will undoubtedly find it.

Not very big - I'll look for some dimensions.

This was a crane project based on a design which was built.

The company is much better known for building fixed wing aircraft.

[Lightning Mate]

It only has room for two people. I can't find dimensions but it doesn't seem to be any bigger that a Bell 47.

I don't speak the language of it's home, but reading an article I think it could only lift 300 kgs.

Rotor diameter 10 metres.

The training version first appeared in 1965.

[SincoTC]

As you don't speak the lingo, I took a look at Czech and found the Zlin Z-35 a projected flying crane version of the XZ-135

[Lightning Mate]

There you are.

Wanna nuvver clue?

BTW Stingrays' is still working..........

edit - clue not required. The Zlin XZ-135 it is.

All yours mate. :D

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM, Stingrays is where I found it (and spent a long time last night looking for it).

My gripe is that the missing site covered all VSTOL aircraft and projects, not just rotorcraft!

I would have found it last night if the pictures and drawings at the top of the XZ-135 page bore even the slightest resemblance to the challenge, because of this, I didn't scroll all the way to the bottom and find the extract from a Czech journal which show the challenge (BTW the tiny drawing is captioned Z-35)

Bugger, still sleeveless, will try not to keep you waiting too long (go and put up another exhaust)!!

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry to cause grief.

I'm not putting anything on "Challenge" because monitoring two threads just becomes a pain. It can also be slower than a snail.

PS - you and I will have the same age in two weeks. I'm still trying to make a decision.

[SincoTC]

Right, here we go, another bipe!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf222.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

:eek::eek:...............

[Lightning Mate]

Radiator on the side/top ?

[SincoTC]

That's the radiator you can see protruding above the top wing!

Edit2: I have now seen another photo with the radiator mounted on the underside of the upper wing (still on the centre-line)

The same pictute is on Breguets, but that's not where I got it, so you don't have to remember your password :)

Edit: I've made my decision :p!!

[Lightning Mate]

Edit: I've made my decision http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/tongue.gif!!

Wossat?

Are you at work today?

[SincoTC]

Not AT work today, but I'll continue to work 'coz I enjoy it (and not paying NIC anymore, yipee), but I'm taking my state pension now rather than deferring it! I think that the benefit of a larger deferred pension later is outweighed by the risk of snuffing it before you get that extra back, or any of what you've paid in for that matter in the worst case! :ugh:

[Lightning Mate]

Couldn't agree more.

Just had a thought - this wouldn't be from the same site as the last on would it?

[SincoTC]

I was surprise to find that the manufacturer isn't listed on Airwar, but I found and used the challenge picture on another Russian site!

[Lightning Mate]

Got my Breguets Challenge password.

How do you get into the challenge thread?

[SincoTC]

That always had me puzzled too; I thought you were the expert in searching there!!

Here you go, I'll be generous, it's one of the 999 or so entries on this index page, happy hunting :)!!

Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* -- (http://members.shaw.ca/flyingaces/br.challenge/challenge001.htm)

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks mate.

I can get the first 99 but if I try to go futher I get "Access Denied".

Working on it.................:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Lightning Mate]

A hunch said 'start at the top end'. :)

Sablatnig N.1

[SincoTC]

Your hunch paid off :D and you've found the picture, however, it's actually the Sablatnig C.1 (The N.1 was a later fighter development and the "or" given on the caption) according to the more detailed description and photos here:

Sablatnig C.I/C.II/N.I (http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft25821.htm)

Lightning Mate has control :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

All I could was quote the type number on Breguets'.

Are you staying around mate?

I have a menu again.................one from each sleeve.:)

[SincoTC]

Are you staying around mate?

For the time being I am, but I'm quite busy about the house and I may have to go out this evening, awaiting a phone call :(!

Go on surprise me :)

[Lightning Mate]

OK.

1. The very old and slow one which you seem to want to avoid or...

2. A modern rotary wing.

Can't you afford a housekeeper?:E

[SincoTC]

Let's have the oldie then!

Can't you afford a housekeeper?

Yes, but I'd never be able to find anything afterwards :eek:!!

[Lightning Mate]

OK.

This thing is all over the internet....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/brown-4.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Yes, but I'd never be able to find anything afterwards http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/eek.gif!!

Maybe a smooth-talking fighter pilot could help you out there..............

[SincoTC]

Strewth :eek::eek:

This thing is all over the internet....

It looks like it's about to be all over the flying field, or should I say aerodrome!

That looks like a pair of vertical fins/rudders above the wing tips and is that a tractor rotary lurking in the shadows (could be another one at the back giving it a shove too I suppose)?

[Lightning Mate]

Wanna better photo?

Engine in the front driving a pusher at the back.

[SincoTC]

I think it maybe the 1911 Schreck "Diapason I" ??

[Lightning Mate]

:D:D

All yours again. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/OK-1.jpg

[SincoTC]

Here it is!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf223.png

[Lightning Mate]

Trevor,

I have enjoyed your company today, but it's now time to dine and watch a video.

So I'll pass on this one and see what has developed tomorrow morning, although it looks Nip.

Sleep well mate. :ok:

[SincoTC]

That's OK Mate, as it happens, I've just had that phone call I mentioned earlier and have to go now for a couple of hours, so I'll leave it as "usual rules apply" if there's any lurkers!!

Not Japanese BTW!

Catchya later :ok:

[diesel addict]

Is it Polish ?

How about the PZL Karas ?

If correct OH

[SincoTC]

I have returned!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/PZL_P-23.jpg

Yes, it is the Polish PZL P.23 Karas Bomber, diesel addict is correct and has requested an Open House :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Morning. :)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/fastjob.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

PM for diesel addict.

[Ridge Runner]

Morning all!!

T-50 Golden eagle??

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Martin.

A good shot but a miss. Isn't that single-engined?

[skytrain10]

Morning David:)
Was this a proejct?

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken. :)


Was this a proejct?

No mate - it was a project. :E

1980s.

[skytrain10]

Right letters - wrong order:)

1970's era? Is that a butterfly tail arrangement?

[Lightning Mate]

1980s as above.

Yes - it was a butterfly/V-tail.

[Lightning Mate]

Would you like a clue? ;)

[skytrain10]

Clue could help :(.... having said that there is some similarity with a couple of the Boeing submissions for the ATF in the early 1980's. Any connection?

[Ridge Runner]

A Jerry, David???

[Lightning Mate]

Not German Martin, although a German company was in collaboration with the host country.

No connection with Boeing Ken - go South. :)

[skytrain10]

SAIA 90 from Argentina?

[Lightning Mate]

Bingo. :D

Your thread.

[skytrain10]

Thanks David:ok:

Next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/2420f656.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

It looks Italian, mate?

[sabredog]

ALR Piranha 4 or 2D ?

[skytrain10]

Sorry Martin, not Italian - but not far away.

ALR Piranha It is indeed the Piranha 4 project from Switzerland:ok:. Some information here:
ALR - ARBEITSGRUPPE FÜR LUFT- UND RAUMFAHRT (http://www.alr-aerospace.ch/Piranha.php)

Sabredog has control

[Ridge Runner]

bugger, he's gone!

[Lightning Mate]

He always puts his light off within seconds of posting.

He'll be back.

[Lightning Mate]

Parked outside my office the other week, where it lives when not in use.

Whos' is it then?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/IMG_85091.jpg

[skytrain10]

That'll be Michael Schumaker's new beast:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

Yawn........ :)

[Lightning Mate]

Sure is.

Wossat on the top of the fin then?


Yawn........ http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Well, there's nothing else going on innit. :)

[Ridge Runner]

True...... I just find anything related to F1 a touch on the boring side! :(

[Lightning Mate]

Do you like things that go bang then?

[Ridge Runner]

Not really but Like flying things that go whoosh!!!!! :) but then I also like the ones that have a wonderful rumble .... :)

[Lightning Mate]

I just find anything related to F1 a touch on the boring side! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/sowee.gif

You sure about that....?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/fun_weird_amazing_crazy_offbeat_gridgirls8_20090717151149102 3.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

In another environment, yes! But, nah, not F1 for me ... whatever carrots are dangled!

[sabredog]

Open House

[Lightning Mate]

Wot RR - no response?

[Ridge Runner]

sorry David but it would be unfair as I'm off now and then out ... at the pub .... tonight!!!!! :)

[Lightning Mate]

A G A I N...........????

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/SmileyDrunk-1.gif

....seconds out Ken.........................

[skytrain10]

Enjoy your evening Martin:)

As it's still OH:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/62fc4716.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like it's built for water..............

[evansb]

Northrop F-5E DARPA sonic boom project aircraft.

[skytrain10]

Northrop F-5E DARPA sonic boom project aircraft. Good afternoon Brian - yes that's the one, aka the Northrop-Grumman SSBD:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/1416ba55.jpg

evansb has control

[evansb]

Here is the next one: (oops, I just realized this one has been done before..)

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WHAT120402.jpg

[sabredog]

ROCKWELL XFV-12 VTOL

[evansb]

[I]sabredog[I] is spot on:ok: The failed VTOL XFV-12 (albeit, it is an artist's drawing). You have control.