Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[Lightning Mate]

Austro-Hungarian then............

[skytrain10]

Austro-Hungarian then............ Wrong way....go east!

[SincoTC]

I'm sorry Ken; my internet seems to have almost stopped, I've re-started everything but to no avail, it's taking minutes to load google and my attempt to download Chrome failed (it was only 527Kb, but it timed out after fifteen minutes with only 13% downloaded):ugh:!!!

I'll try again later :suspect:

[skytrain10]

Hope you manage to get your internet up and running at a sensible speed! Never used Google Chrome...as a google email account holder I keep getting asked, but I tend to stick to what I know...in this case Firefox. Hope to see you back later.

[skytrain10]

All very quiet....one clue for the nightshift...as you may have assumed from my earlier post, this is a Russian aircraft.

Closing down now.Usual rules apply if identified.

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken!

Going home soon after a very busy day with no chances to look in at all :* and thought I'd let you know you're not totally alone :)!

I had assumed that your challenge was Russian before I bailed out last night with my bad internet! That style of tailwheel and prop look relatively modern, is it a homebuilt or recreational aircraft and is it two or three seats?

I'll try and get back later if connection permits, nil desperandum!!

[skytrain10]

Evening Trevor...sorry for delay in responding. Yes, its been very quiet today - as you can see.

It is indeed modern:ok: 2 seats. Available as a kit or complete.

[SincoTC]

Back again :)!

Oh dear, what a struggle with a glacial internet!! Just about to throw in the towel when I found the Avion MAI F-1 Favorit

[skytrain10]

Avion MAI F-1 Favorit That's the one Trevor, well done:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/85a013ba-1.jpg

Not sure if your internet go-slow will permit, but if you can......

SincoTC has control

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken,

It was a real chore, and then I found it was on Wiki all the time :{!!!!

I'll declare an Open House now in case there's a lurker out there or my connection quits on me!!

I'm having something to eat and then I'll see what I can do before bed!

[evansb]

The Avion MAI F-1 Favorit is nearly identical to the Culp Special, which is also powered by the Russian Vedeneyev radial. I would have identified it as a Culp S except you said it was European, and east of Poland. Only by going the long way around is the Culp Special east of Poland...

[skytrain10]

It was one of those that I found by accident looking for something else! Bearing in mind there seems to be just the one produced there is actually quite a lot of information on it, albeit most of the detailed stuff in Russian. Seems to have plenty of PR following its appearance at MAKS in 2007.

Enjoy your supper:) I'm closing down now, but will look in in the morning.

Good night

Edit to say, yes Bri, very similar to the Culp. In fact I had to double check that it wasn't just a Russian version of it, but there are some differences and there seems to be no connection in the history of the two aircraft.

[SincoTC]

Morning all,

Still my OH I see, so no lurkers!! Sorry, unable to post last night, as my connection went down and hasn't yet returned, so I am posting from work. I will leave my light on and monitor when possible (but then, it shouldn't last long :))!!!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wt193A.jpg

[skytrain10]

Morning Trevor...don't know why but it looks like it should have been a biplane! Unusual cockpit... two seater...European?

[SincoTC]

Morning Ken,

two seater...European

Both correct :)

[skytrain10]

Mmm, British?

Edit, unfortunately work calls so will look in later:(

[SincoTC]

Not British.

[skytrain10]

Back....and have had a quick look at my books during a late lunch. Is it the PWS-50?

[SincoTC]

Hi Ken,

Sorry for the delay, (busy, busy!).

It is indeed the Polish PWS-50 :D

PWS-50 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWS-50)

skytrain10 has control :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Trevor. Yep, have been pretty busy myself but appears to have quietened down a little (famous last words!),

Here is something a little more modern:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/cb6b285a.jpg

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken,

I've been working late and just having a peek before bed :).

Well, it should be easy to find, if I'm reading the features correctly; pod or pylon mounted engines driving tractor-propellers, but turboprop or piston and mounted off the fuselage or wing? T-tail, but low or mid-wing? 4-6 seats? Real and not a project?

I just had a quick search on some of those keywords, but it seems it's one of your well chosen subjects that doesn't use any of them in any articles or photo captions :confused:!!!

[skytrain10]

Evening Trevor. Your summary is pretty close. Engine pods on either side of the fuselage. Tractor props but no details on the engines themselves. T-tail, low wing, however you have perhaps over estimated the size...just 2 seats in a tandem arrangement. Being marketed in kit form but I cannot see that one has actually been built. There are photo's on the net, but I believe they are of a mock-up.

Edit to say hitting the hay now, so usual rules apply:ok:

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken and goodnight, sleep well :ok:

It looks like the Canadian Falconar Master X ?

http://falconaravia.com/ (http://www.falconaravia.com/) (Select "Kits" on toolbar and it's top left on that page)

[skytrain10]

Good morning Trevor, yes it is indeed the Falconar Master X from Canada. Good bit of hunting:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/c8d47913.jpg

SincoTC has control

[Noyade]

G'day Ken. I thought it was Russian. A Beriev thing-ma-jig. :(:)

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken, Evening Graeme,

It was a lot easier once you pointed out it was a kit, I was beginning to have doubts about its size, as the U/C was looking a bit light for a small business class aircraft! A good challenge :ok:

To help everybody out today :E This one isn't on Wikipedia!!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wt194.jpg

I'm in and out of my office today, but I'll leave my light on and monitor as often as possible.

[skytrain10]

G'day Ken. I thought it was Russian. A Beriev thing-ma-jig Evening Graeme....my subtle plan:) Personally in silhouette form I thought it looked like a CitationJet with props where the jets should be!

Now to the latest challenge......

[SincoTC]

I thought it looked like a CitationJet with props where the jets should be

Been there there, done that!! Cessna development project, R&D? 'Twaz exactly what skewed my judgement on size :ugh:!!

Subtle plan worked mate :ok:

[TheiC]

The thing that should perhaps have given that challenge away, but which I only noticed too late, was the absence of sweep on the stabiliser... An interesting little kit!

[skytrain10]

Afternoon...is it the Wiseman-Cooke Biplane - which incidentally I have actually seen:)
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Garber/770-Wiseman-Cooke.jpg
I should say this is NOT my photo....but one taken at NASM in Washington.

[SincoTC]

is it the Wiseman-Cooke Biplane?

It is Ken :D, well done, over to you!

It was originally just the Wiseman Biplane when first built.

Fred Wiseman, a successful automobile racing driver from Santa Rosa, California, began construction of an airplane in October 1909 in San Francisco. It was based on elements of Wright, Curtiss, and Farman designs, three of the most successful manufacturers of the day. Successful test flights were made in the spring of 1910, making it the first airplane built in California to fly.

In May 1910, as the first Wiseman airplane was being tested, construction started on a second aircraft. Wiseman made all his significant exhibition flights using this airplane, including the first air mail flight officially sanctioned by a U.S. post office, from Petaluma to Santa Rosa, California, in February 1911.

In early 1912, the second Wiseman airplane was acquired by Weldon B. Cooke, a pilot who had been making a name for himself in recent months flying another airplane in the NASM collection, the Maupin-Lanteri Black Diamond. The second Wiseman airplane is now designated by NASM as the "Wiseman-Cooke aircraft" because both individuals were intimately associated with its history.

skytrain10 has control :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Trevor. Funny I remember seeing it, but of course it was from below, so could never get a perspective side on. Found it on the modelflight website...and then it clicked:)

Here's the next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/918f22bd.jpg

Incidentally this aircraft is referenced on Wikipedia, but that won't be of much use to you today!

[Ridge Runner]

Hi boys! Hi Ken!!! A Brit per chance? RR ;)

[skytrain10]

Hi Martin...not a Brit mate, but it is European.

[skytrain10]

If anyone is out there...a 1930's design. Graeme should get it:)

[Noyade]

G'say Ken! :)

Is it the Hungarian M.19, with editing? :)

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/3461/m19a.jpg (http://img813.imageshack.us/i/m19a.jpg/)

Graeme should get itWhy? :suspect:

not Brit mate, but it is European. Now, I remember David pouring **** on me for suggesting the UK was part of Europe?! You saying it is? :ooh:

[Noyade]

Ahhh....should have turned a few more pages, eh? :)
CANSA Lictor 130....?

[skytrain10]

CANSA Lictor 130....? Morning Graeme...that will do nicely:ok: Also listed as the Gabardini Lictor 130 depending on where you look. The M.19 looks very similar, particularly the undercarriage layout.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/8194fda1.jpg

You saying it is? Well my geography tells me we are part of the continent of Europe.. Some may think different politically of course:)

My comment about you getting it was of course referring to where it was from...you have been known to like putting up the odd Italian challenge:)

Noyade has control

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken.

The M.19 looks very similar, particularly the undercarriage layout.Ken, the struts are painted on by me. :)

you have been known to like putting up the odd Italian challengeThen I was just lucky cause I have limited sources on Italian aircraft.

Got plenty of intakes, exhausts, aeronautical orifices but no silhouettes at the moment, but I do have a photo. Otherwise open house.

[skytrain10]

Ken, the struts are painted on by me. Ah, now I know what you mean't by editing - just looked at the original, but I prefer your version:)

Go for a photo mate:ok:

[Noyade]

Go for a photo matehttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Glad you asked as it's more a cry for help than a challenge. This appeared in a book I bought in 1978. The manufacturer is well known but the designation...well it just doesn't google. Could be a caption error, but I'm very interested to see what you think...thanks.

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5786/img340s.jpg (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/img340s.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Interesting.....was it a racer?

[Noyade]

Good question. I see no guns(?) but the book was devoted to fighters.

French manufacturer, according to the caption.

(Should I just toss the photo and caption up for a general query/discussion rather than a challenge? Happy to do that. Maybe I should have just PM'd you instead? :))

[skytrain10]

Happy for you to leave it up if you are:ok:

Hispano-Suiza engine, or do you not have that info?

[Noyade]

Hispano-Suiza engine

Sorry mate, don't know for certain, but going by the likeness to other fighters by the same manufacturer, yes.

[skytrain10]

I was thinking it was a Wibault design, but from your last comment perhaps not?

[Noyade]

Wibault designThat'll do me mate. :) Your control.

Now, can you find for me on the net the Wibault W.11?
I've had no luck. Not in AviaFrance or Green and Swanborough's Fighter tome.


http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4411/img380i.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/img380i.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Hi Graeme. I guess its logical there should be an 11 on the basis there is a 10 and 12. But as you say there seems to be no reference to it on the web. No mention that I can see on the "secret projects" forum. Trevor is far better at searches than me so maybe he will have more luck. What book was it in?

[Noyade]

What book was it in? Don't laugh.

Purnell's.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/2944/img382s.jpg (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/img382s.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Purnell's Wasn't expecting that! Yes, not sure the image would be appropriate these days. They could always put a notice to the effect that "no citizens of mainland European countries were shot in the making of this book" :)

Here we go with the next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/e4c9f101.jpg

[Noyade]

I must say Ken, your silhouettes are looking very nice. Don't always know what they are, but very nice. I feel kind of inadequate now.

European again?

[skytrain10]

I'm using that GIMP programme I mentioned I downloaded for free. Does the job:ok:

Western Europe design.

Going to hit the hay soon, so usual rules apply.

[Noyade]

Going to hit the hay soon, so usual rules apply. OK mate. Been nice chatting to ya. Sleep well. :ok:

GIMP programme

(Just downloaded it. Tutorials please! :( PM or e-mail. Thanks.)

[skytrain10]

You have a good day mate.

I'll email you with some brief instructions tomorrow:ok:

Night night

[Noyade]

Western Europe design.

May have fallen into one of your traps again. Is this a modern or current design?

[skytrain10]

May have fallen into one of your traps again. Is this a modern or current design? Evening mate. No traps...the design is from the 1930's. A one off.

Would have responded sooner but kept getting "Database Error".

[Noyade]

Morning Ken!

"Database Error".

Er...PPRuNe or my e-mail provider? Had a password problem with the e-mail program. Fixed I hope.

the design is from the 1930's. A one off.

Damn.
I was eliminating Poland at the time and then thought it maybe a trap.
(I wonder if Hitler thought that?....)

Single seat?

[skytrain10]

No, the database error was on Pprune. Just temporary I guess as its working ok now!

You're thinking too much about traps:). Not Polish but this aircraft was destroyed by the Germans in 1940.

Yes, single seat:ok:

[Noyade]

Yes, single seathttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Odd, no? Some sort of poor nations attempt at a fighter?

[skytrain10]

Some sort of poor nations attempt at a fighter? I think the nation concerned may take offence at poor! Not a fighter but an aerobatic aircraft.

Incidentally a replica of this aircraft was built and flew in the 1990's. I believe it's now in a museum. Best bit is that the design of the replica was overseen by the designer of the original!

Edit to say, bear in mind this is a western European aircraft. And to make life easier it's not French or British.

[Noyade]

western European aircraft

You did mention that before. Why did I look at Poland? Must be the heat - now 28 deg.C @ 2300hrs.

I dunno mate. Where's that swooping Trevor?

[Noyade]

Hard to focus on the map. :)

Spanish?

[skytrain10]

Not Spanish Graeme...you've gone too far west...head north east!

Something tells me it will have gone by the time you wake:)

Night night

[Ridge Runner]

French, Ken????

[skytrain10]

Not French mate

[Ridge Runner]

So how about Belgian, Ken? That might put it in the position to be wrecked by the bosch in 1940? RR

[skytrain10]

Not Belgium but a neighbouring country....not Luxembourg:)

So that should narrow it down to one!

Offline for the next hour.

[skytrain10]

Surprised it's not gone...last clue, Gipsy Major engine.

[Karlark]

My guess is the Koolhoven F.K. 45 of 1931. I do not know what else it could be. :confused:

Edit; Other than a Lambach H.L.II which I see TC has beaten me to it. :( :)

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken,

First chance of a look-in today!

Is it the Lambach HLII ??

It'll have to be an Open House if correct, as I'm off home now and don't yet know if my home internet is back up yet!

[skytrain10]

Is it the Lambach HLII ?? It is indeed Trevor:ok: I guess the engine was a bit of a give away! Sorry Karl, Trevor just got there first.
Ir. Hugo Lambach designed a small single-seat biplane intended for aerobatics. It was the intention that at aerobatic contests held in the Netherlands it could beat the German competition. For construction of this new plane, designated as H.L.2, Lambach founded the Lambach Aviation works in January 1937Sadly the aircraft failed to beat the German competition and met its fate in a bombing raid in 1940.

To celebrate the 45-years jubilee of the Student Aeronautical Study Association 'Leonardi da Vinci' of the Technical University of Delft, the members decided to build a replica of the Lambach H.L.2. To realize the construction the SSVOBB (Stichting Studenten Vliegtuigontwikkeling, -Bouw en -Beheer (Aircraft Development, Construction and Maintenance Students Foundation) was founded in 1990. Thestudents were assisted by the chief constructor of the original 1937 H.L.2, Ir. Wim de Koo at the respectable age of 82. The replica flew in 1995/96 but was grounded because of structural cracks. I do not believe it has flown since.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/6e8f79a9.jpg

SincoTC has declared OH, however as Karlark was only minutes behind, I invite him to put up the next challenge:ok:

[Noyade]

Lambach HLII

Glad I went to bed. Never heard of it. :)

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme...it was a new one on me too! Found it when I was looking to see what Replica aircraft had been built in recent years.

Well Karl has disappeared so if you've got one to post go for it:ok:

[Noyade]

Evening Ken. Tried your GIMP programme, as you know, but spent too much time looking for your single seat biplane...so it's your fault I have no silhouettes. :)

I'm sure you've been busy...got another?

[Noyade]

if you've got one

I solemnly swear to make some today/tonight. :ok: But must go now, cheers mate.

[Karlark]

Ok, one for the open house;

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/37-2.jpg

[skytrain10]

Different! So a single seat high (parasol?) wing turboprop? Wing looks odd...has it got large end plates? US design?

[evansb]

I very much doubt it is a turbo-prop..

[Noyade]

Douglas YO-31C.....?

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9955/dougo31c.jpg (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/dougo31c.jpg/)

If so, Open House (Still in the process of making/finding silhouettes).

Cheers.

[Karlark]

Sorry I was out & about for a bit... Looks like Noyade has it,:ok: and it is open house.

'twas a Paint silhouette... I'll have try one in Gimp when I get a chance.

[Noyade]

Thanks Karlark.

I'll have try one in Gimp when I get a chance. Here's my first serious attempt with GIMP. Never would have tried it playing with the contrast and paint like I usually do. Hindsight says it was a poor choice in that I didn't notice the original photo had clipped the float and the top of the nacelle was very bright - wasn't sure where to put the dots....:)

Many thanks Ken for the tutorials. :ok: Going boldly forward where I've never gone before, I present GIMP No.1...

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5108/thanksken.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/thanksken.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

Lambach HLII

Nice one, Ken!

Graeme - is yours a Jerry???

RR

[Noyade]

Morning gents. Been out for tea, Julie's birthday.

Not German Martin.

[skytrain10]

Morning Martin
Glad you liked the Lambach...plenty of photo's of the replica (PH-APZ) on the web. Looks like they hope to have it flying again soon.
Totally fooled by Karl's Douglas YO-31C....must admit it's one I was not familiar with:( Ironically it did lead me to a rather unusual looking turboprop conversion of a well known light aircraft....I'll save that for a later date:)
I've not had much of a chance to look for Graeme's yet....coffee break soon so will try to look then.

Edit, evening Graeme....tea, sounds terribly English:) Wish Julie a Happy Birthday for me. Is your challenge American?

[Noyade]

Not American Ken.

Europe. :)

[skytrain10]

Coffee time but no inspiration! French, perhaps British?

[Noyade]

French.

Sesquiplane. Top wing level with the top of the fuselage. Central float with two considerably smaller stabilizing floats. Planned role was shipboard reconnaissance but they changed the prototype into a two-seat fighter with a circular fuselage and smaller tail. Only one built.

[Noyade]

Engine is a 400 hp Lorrraine-Dietrich 12Db inline piston engine.

[Noyade]

You'll see it in AviaFrance, but from a different angle.

[Noyade]

Sorry mate, have to leave you there. Working tomorrow morning with an early start. Hope you have a good day, don't work too hard. :)

Thanks for the birthday wishes for Julie and thanks again for GIMP. You might regret helping me now. :)

Cheers.

6,000. :ok:

[skytrain10]

The Besson MB.26 appears to fit the bill? The photo in Aviafrance (and the only one I have found) lacks the ventral fin though.

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon Ken,

On my lunch break now; no Internet at home last night :ugh:

I'll second your answer; there's a picture with the fin here
Sorry, It won't work as a pasted link :)

Forget the link I'll post the piccie

Edit: Removed link as it doesn't work!!

Here's the picture on that cranky site, where it's captioned as a Besson MB.26

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/BessonMB26.jpg

[skytrain10]

Thanks Trevor....apologies for the delay but work took priority this afternoon and have only just had a chance to log on.

I'm sure Graeme would be happy for us to move on, so here's the next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/4b01d6e3.jpg

[evansb]

Lockheed YO-3 ?

On review, how about a SGM2-37 trainer ?

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken,

apologies for the delay but work took priority this afternoon

Same here mate, shocking innit :(!!

Home now and I seem to have a connection of sorts at the moment, dunno if it'll hold up though, it didn't last night :ugh:

Is your latest a motor-glider ?

Some aspects of it look like a Schweizer, but the U/C looks heavier on yours and the tail has no fillet, so maybe the SA2-37B model ?

[skytrain10]

Evening all
Just catching up as work has been keeping me busy this evening.
- not a Schweizer
- not a YO-3
and not from the US...its European.
Not a motorglider although the designer of this aircraft did put his name to a number of gliders.

Edit to say closing down now. Good night.

Usual rules apply:ok:

[Noyade]

Kitplane? 1980's?

(Good call with the Besson. :))

[skytrain10]

Graeme, not a kit plane, but a one-off. 1960's design. Still flying today.

Good call with the Besson Thanks mate. Not sure I would have found it without the clues though. Even when I did I looked long and hard as the angle of the photo made it appear much squatter than it is...not to mention the lack of the ventral fin!

[evansb]

Is it a Rudolf Abelin design from Malmo, Sweden ?

[skytrain10]

Not from Sweden Brian. Head south!

[Noyade]

Morning/Afternoon/Evening. Whatever fits.

Ken, is it the Swiss Markwalder Marabu?

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8254/91145431.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/91145431.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Ken, is it the Swiss Markwalder Marabu? Morning Graeme...yes that's the one:ok:

Your control

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken. I must lead a sad life when I yell "that's it!" when I found it.
Lazy Sunday morning here, clear skies and expecting a top of 31 deg.C.

Next...

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/5769/black392.jpg (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/black392.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

I must lead a sad life when I yell "that's it!" when I found itYou're not the only one:)

So what are we looking at, American? Single or 2 seats? Early 30's?.

[Noyade]

American.
Single-seat.
1930s as you say.

Very distinctive elliptical wings - some say "butterfly" shaped. :)

[skytrain10]

Berliner Joyce XF3J-1?

[Noyade]

That's the one mate. :ok: Your control.

I'm heading out now. Catch ya later. Cheers.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme...enjoy you're day:ok:

One for the night shift...usual rules apply if ID'd.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/3c423be1.jpg

[evansb]

Bellanca Citabria Pro ?

[skytrain10]

Citabria Pro it is Brian:ok:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/833df0e5.jpg

Calling it a day now, so good night.

evansb has control

[evansb]

Thanks. Here is the next silhouette:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WhatUlookinAt.jpg

[asw28-866]

PM heading your way evansb, don't know how to make the silhouettes and do not want to declare OH!

'866

[Ridge Runner]

Come on boys ...... that's a Delta Dagger!!!!

OH, please Brian. Thanks.

[Lightning Mate]

Just checking in gentlemen.............:)

No work web until 7th Feb.........:mad:

[evansb]

RR is correct.:ok: The Convair F-102 Delta Dagger.

OPEN HOUSE is requested.

[Lightning Mate]

Hope to be back with you all soon..................................

Can you do this...........................?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/jaglowwww-1.jpg

aka Jag Mate.............

[SincoTC]

Hurry back LM :ok:

RR requested an OH, so to keep the ball rolling!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_Challenge195.jpg

[Noyade]

Evening Trevor. :)

A big Fairey mate?

Fairey G.4/31 - general purpose (http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/fairey_g4-31.php)

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

Indeed, it was a big Fairey failure!! The Fairey G.4/31, was a British single-engined, two-seat biplane contender for an Air Ministry specification for a multi-role or general purpose aircraft. Unsuccessful, only one was built.

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor.

Not serrated floats, just the wave-tops...

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/5519/black391.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/black391.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Just watched Aussie, Neil Robertson win the Masters Snooker!

Is yours a single seater? twin-float torpedo bomber?

Very early start in the morning so gotta hit the hay now! Catchya later :ok:

[Noyade]

Well done Mr Robertson!

Is yours a single seater? twin-float torpedo bomber?

Single-seater. Fighter-Reconnaissance. Designed to be catapulted from the gun-turret of a battleship.

Enjoy your hay! :ok:

[evansb]

Nakajima E2N ?

[Noyade]

No, but it was built against a Japanese contract to be flown from the battleship Nagato. German design. A second example was built in Japan by Aichi.

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme...the Heinkel HD.26 / Aichi Type 2?

[Noyade]

Morning Ken.

That's him mate. :ok:

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3053/img391nx.jpg (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/img391nx.jpg/)

Outside with a few beers 10 minutes ago.... Had an urge to climb the roof and snap the sunset. Beers do that to you?

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4343/11201032.jpg (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/11201032.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Thanks to Putnams for helping me on this one:ok:

Nice photo.....actually had a nice sunset here the other evening, although the temp was probably much the same as your beer:)

Will have one ready shortly

[Noyade]

Stupid me thought I could compete with New Zealand. :(

Wings Over New Zealand - Sunset (http://rnzaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=15310)

[Noyade]

Will have one ready shortly

Does that mean you're joining the GIMP dots as we 'speak'? Don't know how you do that - the pressure must be phenomenal?

[skytrain10]

Nice NZ sunset....its the cirrus clouds that you need...and of course the timing of the shot. Still, we can match those in Wales:ok:

Does that mean you're joining the GIMP dots as we 'speak'? Don't know how you do that - the pressure must be phenomenal? No, was ahead of that bit...had just hit the fill bucket icon!

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/95abd006.jpg

[Noyade]

Looks like a barn, background that is. :)

Therefore American?

[Noyade]

Parasol fighter? Doesn't sound American....

[skytrain10]

I left the barn or shed or whatever it is in for interest...!

Parasol fighter? Doesn't sound American.... Yes, and not Amercan. A European design.

[skytrain10]

We have sunsets in Wales too....generally the clouds block the view though, but just occasionally......

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/074a990b-1.jpg

Taken from our garden.

[Noyade]

We have sunsets in Wales too

I'm sure you do....:)

Very nice mate. :ok:

The parasol...French?

[skytrain10]

The parasol...French? Not French mate....further north:)

[Noyade]

Yeah? As in the UK?

[skytrain10]

Not UK mate. Keep going (well north east actually), a northern European country.

[Noyade]

Hmmm...no luck mate. If it's still around tomorrow morning, I'll continue the search, otherwise I should congratulate Trevor the Swooper, now. Night. :ok:

[jarnold]

Sincotc The Crash Report stated Total Seperation of the Wing from the main body but did not say which wing. Jack had flown around 8 Hours in this aircraft and had 926 total Hours Logged. He held a commercial rating and was always well informed as to limits on all aircraft he had flown. He always told me to always know the plane you will be flying. I remember watching him fly the SJ-1 around Magnolia Airport on Saturday the 26th of December and thought how well he flew the plane. The aircraft crashed on Monday afternoon the 28th at 4:25 P M. Just North of the field in a Wooded Area.

[Ridge Runner]

So, is that a guess, Jarnold???

[Ridge Runner]

Ken,

A scandinavia machine? That shed looks like danish or similar?

RR

[skytrain10]

A scandinavia machine? That shed looks like danish or similar? Hi mate...Scandinavian...yes:ok: Can't comment on the shed as I don't know where the photo was taken! The aircraft is NOT Danish though.

[Karlark]

Afternoon Ken,

Is it the Swedish Flygkompaniets Verkstader at Malmen J-24?

[skytrain10]

Is it the Swedish Flygkompaniets Verkstader at Malmen J-24? A good call Karl, it is indeed, well done:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/3410e58f.jpg

Karlark has control

[Karlark]

Thanks Ken,

Here is the next SC:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/33-4.jpg

It looks a little GIMPy.. with some paint here and there. :)

Edit: Found a bottom view;
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/34-3.jpg

[SincoTC]

Afternoon Karl,

Just to clarify, are we looking at a two-seat open cockpit? No windscreens and a high frame between the cockpits, could almost be a canopy there, although I wouldn't rate the forward view as very good!! Maybe they just sit quite high and in the breeze!

Is it from the US of A?

Gotta go now, will try and get back later :)

[Karlark]

Evening TC,

Yes, 2 place tandem open cockpit... except when the 2nd place was covered:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/35-3.jpg (easier to confirm with a picture :))

There may have been a small clear flared windscreen installed at some point. One off European touring plane from a well known manufacturer.

[evansb]

Messerschmitt BFW M 23 ?

[Karlark]

It is not a BFW M 23 or German, although it appears one of the M 23 models used the same radial engine...

[skytrain10]

Hi Karl....a Mauboussin design?

[Karlark]

Hello Ken,
Snowy, sloppy drive home with shoveling chores complete... just back in... whew.

It is not a Mauboussin design, so, France can be x'd off the list. Close by though. One of Graeme's favorite countries, I have heard. ;)

[SincoTC]

Evening Karl,

sloppy drive home with shoveling chores complete

Nice!! All snug and warm now for the night I hope :)!!

I think your challenge is the Fiat N.3 ??

Better call an Open House please if correct, as I'm off to bed now, gotta be up again in four and half hours :sad:, but the evening is still young in Alberta, so who knows, you may get one to play with!!

[Karlark]

Hi Trevor,

That's the one. :ok:
File:FIAT N.3 01.jpg - Wikipedia (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FIAT_N.3_01.jpg)

I always get a kick out stumbling across these I have never heard of!
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/fiatn3-i.jpg

O.H. per SincoTC... Maybe evansB has one?

[asw28-866]

Thanks to Trevor for some hints and tips, here is my first attempt:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/s1.jpg

'866

[Noyade]

here is my first attempt:

And a nice first silhouette. :)

Looks like the Aichi M6A Serian/Nanzan?

[asw28-866]

Noyade,

You have it in one, it is the Aichi M6A1-K Nanzan. Interesting aircraft as it is the land based trainer version of a floatplane combat type which was carried by submarine!

You have control.

'866

[jarnold]

I would say because only one was built the NTSB could only base their findings on the total separation of the wing at normal cruise as over stress of the aircraft.Not having any other SJ-1'S accident reports to refer to. His Family watching stated that they saw the wing seperate on final. Logs books showed 926 total time and actual 8hrs in head skinner. As Sincotc stated it is easier to say pilot error than in flight total failure. It was easier in 1964 because they did not have testing they have today to know what really happend.

[SincoTC]

Thanks for the update Jarnold and the clarification in Post #5390 :ok:;

To avoid confusion with other players who may not have seen previous widely spaced posts, I will say that Jarnold said what follows, about the subject of skytrain's challenge, revealed on page 100 of this thread last August and which I identified.

This aircraft crashed in 1964 and killed my neighbor Jack Sepos. Family members were watching and said he was not putting the aircraft into any kind of stress. NTSB said he exceeded its stress limits and that it was pilot error. Jack gave me my first airplane ride and I can not believe he did not know the SJ-1 Limits. He was a great guy and was well liked.

To return to the chase:

'866 has awarded Noyade Control of the thread :ok: Although I doubt we'll hear from him for a while yet, as it's only the very early hours in the land of Oz. I'm back to work now and I only see Martin's light on (can you post yet mate or are you still away?), so I guess we can wait. I note that on the NZ thread, where he posted the his Sunset piccie, the Aircraft ID quiz has been Open House for over two weeks :eek::confused: (and we get twitchy after a few hours)!! Spoilt aint we :)

[Noyade]

Thanks '866.

Should look familiar...

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/8223/black400.jpg (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/black400.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

G'day mate, another cricket day, or work soon?

Should look familiar...

Hmm, maybe to some :)!!

I'm just eating, back soon

[sabredog]

Ant-29/DIP (again!)

[Noyade]

That's the one mate! :)

Your control SD.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/397/img400.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/img400.jpg/)

G'day mate, another cricket day, or work soon?G'day Trevor. Day off today but I don't think I'll bother watching the Indians crumble like a stale poppadom. :(

[sabredog]

Thank you,Noyade.
The next challenge;
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/mosquito633/Quiz483.jpg
Usual rules apply etc. for the "Night Shift, should it last that long!

[skytrain10]

Evening. Is that the Brditschka HB-21?

Mmm, now I look, maybe not.

Ah, the Brditschka HB-3......

[Noyade]

Goodnight Sabredog. :ok: (Just curious - named yourself after the North American jet? - don't answer that if you then have to kill me.)

Evening Ken, reliable as ever. :ok:

[SincoTC]

stop mucking about and stuffing your face! Tell the man what it is, I can confirm it, and then we move on. Simple plan.

I think the clue is in the Varta Bosch logo, it's the MB-E1 (Militky Brditschka Electric One)

fuel cost | flight international | fuel price | 1973 | 2937 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1973/1973%20-%202937.html)

Edit: Evening Ken :); Maybe yours is the same thing, I had a feeling we've had this one, or maybe its I/C powered predecessor before.

I have to bail out right now as I got some important work to do, so I would have had to ask for an OH if I got it antway!

[Noyade]

God, they all look the same to me?!

MB-E1 (Militky Brditschka Electric One)Brditschka HB-21http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4075/img402h.jpg (http://img560.imageshack.us/i/img402h.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Ah, the Brditschka HB-3......

Edit noted. Got a pic of that one? Google keeps showing me the HD-23.

[SincoTC]

Gotta go now guy's!

Check out my link above and scroll down the page, there's a photo there showing SD's logo and Reg Number EO 9023. If I read it correctly the electric E-1 was converted from the HB-3.

[Noyade]

Gotta go now guy's!

Goodnight Trevor.

[skytrain10]

Graeme, found a picture in a book. Tail is right, in that it's got a slight angle to the top. However it appears to carry the same registration as that referred to in the Flight article that Trevor has given the link to!

[SincoTC]

HI Ken,

Maybe this will answer that query! to quote from the Flight article:

When Heino Brditschka flew the MB-E1 for 9min 5sec from Linz in Austria on October 21 he qualified for a line in the record book. For, unlike the HB-3 from which it was converted, the MB-E1 (Militky Brditschka Electric One) was silent.

I read that as saying the HB-3 originally flew under I/C power and it was then converted to battery electric power and was renamed the MB-E1, still carrying the same Registration number.

[Noyade]

If I read it correctly the electric E-1 was converted from the HB-3Ahhh, I see.

Kangaroo court is in session. All those in favour of the HD-3, say "Aye!"

Aye!

[sabredog]

Gentlemen,it is the Militky MBE-1.
I made three attempts to eradicate the logo and registrations, but gave up in the end!
The answer to your question,Noyade, is yes. The North American F-86D "Sabredog"(Saberdog).

[Noyade]

Sorry SD, thought you were in bed. Thanks for the answer. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Kangaroo court is in session What's that you say Skip.......??!!!
Well I think Trevor has it largely because I see what he means about the logo. However OE-9203 was the aircraft pictured in my book and it was listed in the Austrian register (I have an old Air Britain European register) as a HB-3!

So, Trevor has said he would declare OH, so if I may.......stand-by

Edit, just seen your Post sabredog, so I'll take the above back. Not sure where we go from here.

[Noyade]

Evening Ken, reliable as ever. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

You failed me Ken! :(:)

[Noyade]

Not sure where we go from here. Trevor had the correct answer at #5417 and confirmed by SD above. Trevor also requested open house and I'm waiting for your image? No?

Trevor...
MB-E1 (Militky Brditschka Electric One)

What's that you say Skip.......??!!!

That's very good! :D You've seen the TV series?

[skytrain10]

You failed me Ken! Now would I do that:) Having researched this it seems that OE-9023 was officially listed as "OE-9023 BRDITSCHKA HEINRICH HB-3AR MILITKY"!

Edit, stand-by for the next one

[Noyade]

What's that you say Skip.......??!!!

Fast Forward - Skippy and the Nuclear Bomb - YouTube

[skytrain10]

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/99f0df1a.jpg
You've seen the TV series? Yep, used to watch it when I was a kid....used to be on TV Saturday mornings if I recall. Love the video:)

[Noyade]

we At the moment it's just you and me I think mate.

"Will look later, but have to go now."

I always find that's the best thing to say when I have no idea. :)

Sleep well Ken :ok:

[skytrain10]

Sleep well Ken Thanks Graeme. Will be calling it a day very soon.
European design, 1930's

Have a good day mate:ok:

[Karlark]

Yikes!! Saberdog in the rearview. :eek:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/70-1.jpg

Sorry to interject... carry on. :)

[Karlark]

Morning Ken,
It appears to be the Romanian ICAR Universal. :ok:
Good one.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/icaruniversal-c1.jpg

Open House if correct. :)

[SincoTC]

Morning, afternoon or evening all:)!

Yikes!! Saberdog in the rearview. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/eek.gif

Quite; but while checking your six o/c, in comes Karl out of the sun (or maybe snow) for another comprehensive kill :ok:

Looks like a good call to me :D

Ponting and Clarke had another good day Graeme, but 'bout time the Aussies declared and started the whitewash before close!

Off to work now, will try and get back later, but 'tiz a hectic day ahead :(!

[skytrain10]

It appears to be the Romanian ICAR Universal. That's the one Karl, well done:ok:

Karlark has declared Open House

[Ridge Runner]

Too long withhttp://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune240112A.jpgout a post so ....

[skytrain10]

Hi mate, PA-35 Pocono....but I think we've had it before?

[Ridge Runner]

ah... sorry... Yes, it is the PA-35 mate... :( RR

[Lightning Mate]

Hello - I have not gone AWOL.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Martin....I think I was the one who posted it last, and that was a repeat!

Hello - I have not gone AWOL. Good to hear from you...I picked up that you were pcless until early next month, so figured we wouldn't hear much until then. Hope all is well?

Tied up with work for a while, so Open House. If no takers then I'll get something prepared later.

[Lightning Mate]

I would love to take that, but.....................:uhoh:

[Lightning Mate]

Apologies Graeme - I missed it.

Better late than never.....................

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/sydney_fireworks2.jpg

Methinks Martin is next..............................

[skytrain10]

Ok, here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/6d86e361-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Presumably turbine,............but retractable gear?

Judging by the fact that a part of the tail rotor is visible in colour at the bottom, then I would guess that it is not that old.

1960 ish................?

[skytrain10]

Hi David....yes, a turbine engine:ok: Retractable gear in this instance, but there a photo's on the web that also show it with skids.

Not old....in fact a recent design which is available today.

[Noyade]

Evening gents. Thanks for the fireworks David. Always a bone of contention every New Years in Sydney as around 7 million dollars of tax-payers money goes up in smoke. :(:)

Ken, the FAMA Kiss 209A?

[skytrain10]

Ken, the FAMA Kiss 209A? Morning Graeme...good enough mate:ok: It's the 209M to be precise.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/9635ad7d-1.jpg

Noyade has control

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken. :)

to be precise.

I'm not one for precision - I'm an Aldi man! :)

Next GIMP (I'm loving it!)...

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4210/blackwa.jpg (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/blackwa.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Looks Italian:)

[Noyade]

Not Italian mate, but it is based on an aircraft from Europe.

This was built in South America.

[Noyade]

Here's the original...

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/937/clueed.jpg (http://img850.imageshack.us/i/clueed.jpg/)

From Brazil.

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme, and happy Australia Day:ok:

As I thought there was a distinct likeness I looked at the Fokker S.12 before hitting the hay last night, but was tired and didn't follow it through! It's the IPD FG-8 Guanabara.

[SincoTC]

Morning Ken,

Just having a coffee break and thought I'd second your answer as it's getting late in Oz. The IPD FG-8 Guanabar fits to the clues given and the picture Graeme posted is the same one as on the link below. :ok:

brazilian (http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?keyword=brazilian&section=I&offset=0)

Edit: Don't want to see any ribald remarks about the way the link has appeared ;) Edit2 I see Graeme's light has just come on, so I'll say I hope ypu had a good day mate :ok:

[Noyade]

Well done Ken :ok: Your control.

FG-8 Guanabara (http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/cgi-bin/res.pl?keyword=FG-8+Guanabara&offset=0)

happy Australia Dayhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif Thanks mate. I think I had a better day than Julia Gillard. :(

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme. Here is the next challenge.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/970f85c7.jpg

Yes, saw that Julia did not have the best of days

[skytrain10]

All quiet? In case there is anyone out there, this is an American design from the 1990's. Not listed in Aerofiles.

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken :),

Just arrived and posted a cockpit! I looked at this before I left work and decided it was relatively modern! Strut braced parasol, is it a kit or homebuilt? A one off? No additional seats lurking there I take it, just a single seater? Very long snout, maybe a raked intak at the front and a single exhaust, not a turbine is it?

Edit you say an American design; is that in the USA?

[skytrain10]

Hi Trevor...following may help:
- A one-off design from a designer who has at least one other "one-off" to his name.
- Single seat
- Single exhaust (I think)
- Continental piston engine
- USA

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken,

You didn't confirm, 'tiz a parasol innit and described as such by the designer?

[skytrain10]

Sorry, yes, it's a parasol and is described as such in the reference I found to it.

Edit to say closing down for the night now....usual rules apply.

[SincoTC]

Turning in now Ken, had a long day today and another early start tomorrow :*, so I'll leave this to those in a later/earlier timezone :)!

Have you seen this one at Oshkosh?

Goodnight :ok:

[skytrain10]

Morning Trevor
Have you seen this one at Oshkosh? No, found this one when searching for another parasol challenge quite recently. It was in an EAA publication, so I went to check to make sure it was on the net...and it was:) Comes up in a simple search, providing you get the parameters right:ok:

[SincoTC]

Comes up in a simple search, providing you get the parameters right

Just finishing my lunch break and managed to get 'em right!!

Seems it's the Blackhawk III by Jack Bullard ? Back to work now, will check back next break :)

[skytrain10]

Seems it's the Blackhawk III by Jack Bullard ? Tis' indeed Trevor. Well done:ok:. Yes, the one off Blackhawk III from 1999. There is also a Blackhawk I but no details on the II. The Blackhawk range seems to have escaped Aerofiles researchers!

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/cb711f28.jpg

SincoTC has control

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken, another good challenge, 'twas quite elusive :ok:

Let's see how this one fares!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf195.jpg

[Noyade]

Evening.

Comes up in a simple search, providing you get the parameters righthttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gifmanaged to get 'em right!!So, what were those parameters? What string of words do you type in the search box? Annoys the **** outta me how you guys do it?! :(:)

Some time ago I looked closer at the listings on the left side of the Aerofiles home page. There is an interesting page called "Features", and in there is a whole lot of links worth looking at, in particular this one...

Odds & Mods (http://aerofiles.com/oddsmods.html)

Not a foolproof system, but sometimes you get lucky...

http://aerofiles.com/pix1.gif Norris (http://aerofiles.com/norris.jpg) [X99M] (clip via Bernhard C F Klein coll)
http://aerofiles.com/cleardot.gif
Foolproof Aeroplane 1930 = 1pOhwM; Quick tractor engine mounted above the wing. Fuselage was hinged to the wing with a universal joint to keep it level regardless of the wing's attitude. Flight unknown. [X99M].

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

I just knew you'd get that one :D!! It is the Norris Foolproof Aeroplane of 1930.

Chose 'coz it was a nearly a silhouette already, rather than any low-cunning, after all it was in Aerofiles, did have a piccie and it had the magic code 1pOhwM so even if you hadn't found it by exploring Aerofile's backwaters, it would have been a pretty easy search :(, will I ever learn :ugh:!!

I guess this is Mr Norris, dunno if it ever flew though!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/norrisFoolproof.jpg

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Evening Trevor.

magic code 1pOhwMI'll have to look more closely at that. At the moment I'm still using words in the searches and not having much luck, but then again it's only going to work if American>Aerofiles.

Anyway, here's the next. This is what I thought Ken's was. It's also American so I'm interested to see how you go with the codey thing...

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1471/black411.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/black411.jpg/)

Heading off now with Son No.3 to look at some garage sales, back in an hour or so.
Cheers! :ok:

[Noyade]

garage salesThat didn't take long.

Can't find the parasol in Aerofiles, so I'll give you the rubbish image I Gimped with...

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/4779/img411h.jpg (http://img580.imageshack.us/i/img411h.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Morning/Evening...not had a chance to look in this evening. Good call on the Foolproof Aeroplane Graeme:ok: Mind you I think you would be pretty foolish to want to venture skyward in it:).

Your latest looks very familiar but from what say it's not in Aerofiles. Looks like a closed cockpit...single seat...1930's design?

[Noyade]

G'day Ken.

Looked on the net...open cockpit...

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5383/stingerpic4.jpg (http://img689.imageshack.us/i/stingerpic4.jpg/)

In my gimp I think the starboard wing has created a 'top' to the canopy.

Kitplane, American, circa 1995.

Did you see that? :)

[SincoTC]

so I'm interested to see how you go with the codey thing

If it's not in Aerofiles, then not very well mate :ugh:!!! Back to square one then :)

[SincoTC]

'Tis easier when you're not going up blind alleys :)!!

Looks like the Preceptor Aircraft Corp's Stinger

[Noyade]

If it's not in Aerofiles

Maybe I'm looking wrong? According to the source they made no less than 5 types of kit planes

[Noyade]

Preceptor Aircraft Corp's Stinger Missed your post! :ok:

Your control Trevor.

(Properties...:(:ok:)

[skytrain10]

Preceptor Stinger I think?

Edit, ignore that, well done Trevor:ok:

Edit 2...Trevor's proved a web search is quicker than using a book! Night night

[Noyade]

Night night

Night mate. :ok:
Looks like the end is near (cricket) for India Trevor....

[SincoTC]

Thanks mate, Just had a quick look at Aerofiles again, but it isn't in there, or anything at all from Preceptor.

The codes are number(seats) p, Open or Closed high, low or mid wing Monoplane, Open Biplane or Close Biplane. So in this case, it would have been 1pOhwM. Tiz great if they have the code and even better if you have the engine make :ok:!!

Have to sort summat out now, be a few minutes for another easy one!

Edit: Hard luck Ken, sleep well.

It's gonna be a whitewash mate innit :ok:

[SincoTC]

I think this one will probably go in the first over too :ooh: !!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf196.jpg

[Noyade]

Argentine. IA-38...?


Form an oddly titled book..."The Dumpy Pocket Book of Aircraft and Flight".

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7492/img412o.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/i/img412o.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

I think this one will probably go in the first over too

Not wrong there then :\!! Well done Graeme :D

It is the IA.38 Naranjero - medium transport aircraft built by the Argentine FMA, designed by Dr Reimar Horten (while having an off-day), maybe he should have had the day off instead!!

Ugly bugger wasn't it, should have been French (who said that......) !!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/ia38-5.jpg

Noyade has control :ok: I'm off to bye, byes now, put summat up for Karl and Bri mate and have a good day, catchya later :)

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor.
It's gonna be a whitewash mate innit :ok:They're all out mate, right on midday here. Disappointing to watch.

OK...Now you can try your code search...definitely in Aerofiles! :ok:...

catchya later http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif


Goodnight mate! :ok:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7851/img389n.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/img389n.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

I've got the afternoon off for a change so a chance for a look at your latest.

OK...Now you can try your code search...definitely in Aerofiles!

Well; I dunno if you chose that one specially you cunning bugger, or you just struck lucky :)!!

It is in Aerofiles; but the code is wrong! It says it's a two-seat open biplane (it's obviously closed) and there is no mention in code or the description that it's amphibious or a flying-boat :ugh:!!

S2L 1931 = 2pOB; 400hp P&W R-985A; span: 34'6" length: 29'5" v: 137 ceiling: 16,900'. POP: 1 as XS2L-1 [A8971].

So it took a bit of weeding-out :\!! 'Tiz the Loening XSL-2R and a very good challenge to be sure :ok:

Loening XSL-2R US Navy | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27862259@N02/6095551455/)

[Noyade]

Loening XSL-2R

Very good mate, I'm impressed. :ok: I'll just have to stop picking Americans. :)

Your control Trevor.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme,

Well!! This one isn't in aerofiles, but I'm resigned to the probability that it is in your bumper book of biplanes :uhoh:!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf197.jpg

[SincoTC]

Just checking-in; but 'tis all quiet on the western front :)!!

Not in aerofiles but 'tiz from other side of the pond ;)!

[evansb]

Barerra EP Ares? It is Mexican built with a Canadian connection.

[SincoTC]

Good evening Brian,

You are correct correct, it is the Mexican Barerra EP Ares. Well done :D!!

Designed by the Canadian company Maple Leaf, 10 units were built in Mexico during 1940, and were equipped with the Warner Super Scarab 165 hp engine


http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/10ARES1.jpg

evensb has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Well done :D!!Ditto. :ok:

You are correct correct,

That's better than just being correct Trevor? ;)

[SincoTC]

Evening (again) Graeme!

My "American" biplane out first ball, following on from England's 72 all out :{:{!!

Edit:spotted your edit!

better than just being correct

All right, rub ny nose in it!! :)

[Noyade]

How did you find the Mexican challenge Trevor? When you found the Canadian cockpit maybe?

[SincoTC]

Not when I found the Canadian cockpit,

I just fancied something that was American, but not from the USA; so when I was asked whether it was north or south of the States, I could say it was kinda both :E!!

I then dug around a bit and found the Canadian Car and Foundry's Maple Leaf II trainer, which led me to the Mexican, 'twas a good theory, but not good enough though :)

Edit: Good call on the current cockpit mate!! Sleep well :ok:

[Noyade]

Sleep well :ok:Thanks mate. Just hanging round till AviaQuiz changes over...12 minutes.

[Lightning Mate]

A very good morning to Canada. :)

Sorry I missed this as well Bri......now rectified. You will undoubtedly recognise the background

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Briancongrats.jpg

[evansb]

Thank you. David, those apartment buildings are visible from my house!:ooh:

Identify all three silhouettes:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH120124.gif

[Lightning Mate]

Does two out of three constitute a win?

The middle one looks a project only and possibly Russian.....

[evansb]

The silhouettes are all from the same nation. All the same scale. First flights all in the late 1940s.