Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[Lightning Mate]

Another :uhoh:.

I'm off. :)

[skytrain10]

I'm off. Oh great - saw your post and thought you'd like something to keep you occupied....instead you take one look and leave:)

[Lightning Mate]

Oh great - saw your post and thought you'd like something to keep you
occupied....instead you take one look and leavehttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Don't be offended mate - I'm in the kitchen and busy..................

I'll be back soon and try - honestly....................

[Noyade]

Evening gents.

Is it a Piper product Ken?

[evansb]

You mean a Piper PA-25 Pawnee ?

[Noyade]

Well, I think so Brian. But my Observer's Pawnee looks a little different?

See here...(lower silhouette)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8558/88741f84.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/i/88741f84.jpg/)
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/2493/img587a.jpg (http://img851.imageshack.us/i/img587a.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

It is indeed a PA-25-235 Pawnee. In this instance taken from the Observers Basic Aircraft Civil, 1967.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/564d2840.jpg

Yours does look a little different Graeme?

evansb has control:ok:

[Noyade]

Yours does look a little different Graeme?

He's older - 1960. :ok:

Well done Brian. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Ah, the 1960 Observers Aircraft shows the PA-25-150 :)

[evansb]

Thanks gents. Here is the next silhouette challenge:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH120417.jpg

[Noyade]

Well Ken, what year of Observer's do you recommend here? :)

[evansb]

The mystery aircraft was a one-off, but it was a landmark design, so it may not be in The Observers Book of Aircraft. It was probably in the 1950 edition of Jane's All The World's Aircraft.

[Karlark]

Thanks for the clue, is it the Texas AG-1 Cropduster?

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/34.jpg

Edit; open house if correct.

[evansb]

Karlark is correct. The Texas A&M AG-1 was also known as the Weick AG-1, who went on to design the Piper Pawnee. As requested, it is OPEN HOUSE

[Lightning Mate]

Good grief evansb - wot you doing up at this time?

[Lightning Mate]

Keeping the ball rolling:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/green-1.jpg

[Noyade]

David, I don't know what the aircraft is, but I swear that's the "Abominable Dr Phibes" at the controls....

The Abominable Dr. Phibes (1971) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066740/)
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2743/green1b.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/green1b.jpg/)http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/712/abominabledrphibes.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/i/abominabledrphibes.jpg/)


Possibly USA?

[Lightning Mate]

Strewth mate - you're up late.

British.

Did you get my PM?

[skytrain10]

Late lunch break...is it a Ward Gnome?

About to go in to a meeting now, so if correct will have to be Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

'Tis indeed the Gnome.

You have control. :ok:

edit: crossed posts and missed your OH call - bugger.

skytrain has declared Open House.

[Ridge Runner]

is anyone else having problems uploading to Photobucket? :(

[Lightning Mate]

No mate...................

You can always PM it to me and I'll put it up for you. :)

Be quick though - I'm going home shortly.

[Ridge Runner]

ah ha.... an easy one :)

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune180412A.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

I've got to go soon so usual rules apply!!!! RR

[Lightning Mate]

It's similar to the Skyray, but appears to have no longitudinal control surfaces.

[diesel addict]

Is it the Skylancer ? - ( F5d I think )

Edit -

As I shall not be in a position to supply LM with an image to Silhouette-ise -

CHALLENGE WITHDRAWN AT 1757 BST

[Lightning Mate]

PM for diesel addict.

[Lightning Mate]

CHALLENGE WITHDRAWN AT 1757 BST

What challenge?

Incidentally I think the wing leading edge droop on the F-5 seems to be less spanwise than in the silhouette. :uhoh:

[sabredog]

The Douglas XF4D-1 Skyray

[Lightning Mate]

Absolutely convincing, so if RR cannot get back I give it to you but we need a seconder.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Douglas_XF4D-1_Skyray2.png

[Lightning Mate]

RR has gone, so does anyone wish to second me?

If not it's probably a stalled thread until maybe tomorrow.

[skytrain10]

Would agree - its the XF4D-1 Skyray.

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening Ken, and thank you.

In that case control goes to sabredog.

[Lightning Mate]

PM for skytrain.

[sabredog]

Thank you,Skytrain10.
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/mosquito633/Quiz92.gif

[Karlark]

Is it the Gonzalez Gil Pazo GP-1 aircraft from Spain?

[sabredog]

It is indeed. Well done.
YHC

[Karlark]

Thanks Sabredog. Here is the next SC:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/51-6.jpg

[evansb]

The first Curtiss CW-20 ?

[Noyade]

Afternoon Brian.

Kill confirmed mate...

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8549/cw20twintail.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/cw20twintail.jpg/)

Unfortunately, I was looking in France...

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2401/img589lc.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/img589lc.jpg/)

[evansb]

Thanks for the photo, mate! . Should I wait for Karlark's confirmation, or post a new one ?

[Noyade]

Sorry, making breakfast.

Should I wait for Karlark's confirmation, or post a new one ?

Every bump/protuberance matches the Curtiss in my opinion. Post a new one. :ok:

[Noyade]

Heading out now mate. I'll catch up with your challenge this afternoon. Cheers.

[Karlark]

Sorry, I was in transit. The twin tails did not fool you, it is the first CW-20.
Evansb has control :ok:.

Hi Noyade. :)

[evansb]

Okay, here goes:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH120418.jpg

[Noyade]

Curtiss Model 40 Carrier Pigeon?

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9717/img592a.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/img592a.jpg/)

[evansb]

Yes, mate,:ok: it is a Curtiss Carrier Pigeon II. You have control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Brian.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3171/img593o.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/img593o.jpg/)

Hi Noyade. :)

Big Hi right back at cha mate. :)

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme - CASA C-202 Halcon?

[Noyade]

Tis indeed Ken. :ok:

Your control.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme - short sleeved shirt today and in a meeting very shortly, so Open House. I'll check in later and if no one else has posted I'll prep something up.

[skytrain10]

Still Open House, so here is a quick one for anyone who is out there:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/0b8d1b4b.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

'Artnoon Ken - I'm here after a hard morning.

That looks like some sort or Chipmunk clone.

[Noyade]

Afternoon gents.

Does look Chipmunkish - Canadian/USA conversion?

[Lightning Mate]

Evening Graeme. :)

Brick wall job at the monment. :ugh:

[skytrain10]

It's actually converted from a Chipmunk....but not from the US or Canada?

[Lightning Mate]

Lycoming engine?

[skytrain10]

Lycoming engine? Correct:ok:

[Noyade]

Tail's different, but any connection to the RTAF-4 Chantra?

[Noyade]

OZ?

VH-CXZ (http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac1/austcl/VH-CXZ.html)

[Lightning Mate]

ooooohhhh.....

...send me some of wot you're on mate..........

[Noyade]

Well, if it is David, I hereby relinquish control to you as you did say Chipmunk earlier, which it basically is....?

Cheers.
Night. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Well, Graeme identified the registration albeit he didn't identify the aircraft, but it is the Aerostructures Sundowner from Australia - a somewhat heavily modified DHC-1:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/b08f659c.jpg

At Graeme's request it looks like control is with you David

[Lightning Mate]

OK then.

To keep variety going today here's an easy one - clock ticking.......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/orange.jpg

[evansb]

Cessna 620 ?

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Bri.

What kept you?

All yours. :ok:

[evansb]

Thank you LM. Nothing truly challenging on hand, so OPEN HOUSE.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/FAA-15-June-19531.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Oh dear!

Would you like me to PM one with the answer?

[evansb]

No, my attention is too divided this a.m. Thanks anyway. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Long-sleeve shirt Ken?

[skytrain10]

Just uploading one now - couple of mins

[Lightning Mate]

Just in time...............:)

My light will go off shortly since homeward bound.

[skytrain10]

As it's open house:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/310b115d.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Electravia ElectroLight 2 ?

[skytrain10]

Blimey - that was quick. Good call mate. Back to you:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

He's gone and I had one! :)

[skytrain10]

Afternoon Martin...I sure David will look in again when he's home in 20 mins or so.

[Ridge Runner]

Yep, i guess, but I'm off tonight on the dot.... grandson staying over! I'll have to wait until tomorrow, sadly! RR

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening gentlemen.

Sorry for the delay - had to go somewhere unexpectedly - please standby....

I don't usually do these, but:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/no3.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Early start (unusually) tomorrow, so off to :zzz:.

Usual day/night shift rules apply.

[Noyade]

Something from the USA mate?

[SincoTC]

Sleep well David and good morning :)

That gull-wing made it fairly easy to track down in Aerofiles, I'd say it's the Central-Lamson Model L-101 Air Tractor.

Lamson Air Tractor (http://crimso.msk.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft31798.htm)

It'll have to be Open House if judged correct as I've got visitors tomorrow and won't be online 'til afternoon/evening!

Edit: G'day Graeme :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Good shooting TC. :ok:

It is indeed the Model 101.

TC has called Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

First time on thread since early this morning.

Blimey, I can't believe this - an OH all day. :eek::uhoh:..................!!!

[evansb]

David, I could have sworn I saw a silhouette of a round-engined, high-wing taildragger
posted after your Lamson Air Tractor, but it seems to have been deleted.:uhoh:

[Lightning Mate]

Dunno mate - I have not had time to look since my post this morning.

Got anything ready, or can I help?

[Lightning Mate]

OK then - if for no other reason than keeping our antipodean mate happy.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/cold-1.jpg

[SincoTC]

Good evening David,

Just got rid of some of my work backlog caused by the visitors, I did grab a quick look when they left mid-afternoon and there was a challenge up from Martin, but I didn't have time to follow it up and I guess that as there was nobody else about and no nibbles before he went for the weekend, he understandably removed it!!

I'm off home soon and will take up the hunt later, is yours a project or reality?

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening mate - yes I thought the same.

Sorry, I'm distracted by evansb "Challenge"..................



is yours a project or reality?

Built and flown - I've seen it.

[SincoTC]

Sorry, I'm distracted by your "Challenge"..................

Not mine mate :), I just looked to see if anyone had taken my OH and thought I recognised the one that Brian had just put up.

Edit: I see you're up to speed now :ok:

[Karlark]

At a glance, it looks like a Chichester Miles...

Leopard?

[Lightning Mate]

Just a glance eh!!

Some glance!!

The thread is all yours mate. :ok:

[Karlark]

:) Thanks LM. It doesn't happen often.

Here is the next SC:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/39.jpg

[SincoTC]

Evening Karl,

if for no other reason than keeping our antipodean mate happy.....

Carrying on with that theme eh!!

So what have you done with the tailwheel, 'tiz a real tail-dragger??

Only kidding and trying to be VeryHumerous AARGH :)

Looks to me like the Butler BAT-2

Back to ZZzzzzzz for a while, must be nearly :zzz: for you too :ok:

[Karlark]

:)

The BAT Monoplane from down under is correct :ok:.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/ArthurButlerBATMonoplane.jpg

Antipodeanally. Issat a word?

SincoTC's Control

[SincoTC]

Thanks Karl,

Don't think that's a word, but I wouldn't worry mate, doesn't seem to stop some of your politicians from making them up as they go :)

Now, would I be so daft and maintain the theme ;)

I'm sorry, it's not a silhouette, but this is the only photo I can find of it and it isn't very good, so you'd better have it as it is!

It was a one-off (not homebuilt) and a first of its kind!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf230.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Trevor. :)

and a first of its kind!

Would that be because it was pressurised?

Should I be very happy with that? ;)

[SincoTC]

Morning David :),

No mention of pressurisation, but you're in the right area!

Maybe I should qualify that statements, in that it was a first for that particular Country!

[Lightning Mate]

May I therefore assume that Graeme would know it?

[SincoTC]

May I therefore assume that Graeme would know it?

Well, I don't know everything that happened in my country, even on my doorstep; but yes, he probably does!

[SincoTC]

Gotta go out for an hour, I hope you saw my edit qualifying the "first".

Back soon with another clue if necessary :)

[SincoTC]

Back as promised.......

Clue as promised.......

It was the designed by a member of the technical staff of the Civil Aviation Department at a City less than 400 Km from Noyade!

[sabredog]

Twa4,the first enclosed monoplane manufactured in australia.

[SincoTC]

Well done sabredog :D

It is the TWA-4, designed by Mr T. W. Air, who was on the technical staff of the Civil Aviation Department, Melbourne, and constructed by the Palcar Manufacturing Co. Ltd., Sydney. First flight: 16/04/1939 Only 1 produced (VH-ACP).

30 Jun 1936 - FIRST ENCLOSED MONOPLANE MANUFACTURED IN AUSTRALIA (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/25223038)

sabredog has control :ok:

[sabredog]

Thank you,SincoTC,for an excellent challenge.
I just hope this works!
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/mosquito633/Quiz93.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like the Cato Sport Plane to me.

[sabredog]

Correct,LM.
YHC

[Lightning Mate]

Don't go away sd - PM coming....

[Lightning Mate]

I hope someone is still in the playground.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/purply.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

I NB your light sd...........

[sabredog]

Many thanks,David. Have replied to your P.M.

[sabredog]

Thank you,David. Closing down.

[skytrain10]

Morning David. Out for much of yesterday so not had the chance to look in. Is yours a racer, single seat....American maybe? Reminds me of the Riter Special, but not quite right.

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Ken - nice to see someone out to play. :)

This aeroplane is European - a homebuild - and is quite fast.

Single-seat.

If we can get to the country you will find it in no time.

Listening out...............

edit: not a racer

[Lightning Mate]

1996......

Classified as an ultralight.

[skytrain10]

Well that was an uphill battle...I think its the PIK-26 Mini-Sytky?

[Lightning Mate]

'twas worth it though mate. :D

Over to you.

[skytrain10]

Thanks David - a good one:ok:. Here's the next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/405d04de.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Back shortly.

[Lightning Mate]

Well that was an uphill battle...

This, I feel, is a rather steeper hill. :uhoh:

[skytrain10]

This, I feel, is a rather steeper hill Difficult to say, but I believe there are some features of this aircraft that point to it's maker. To help you along, European.

[Lightning Mate]

British?.....

[skytrain10]

It is British:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

De Havilland?

[sabredog]

De Havilland DH.81 Swallow Moth

[Lightning Mate]

Sure is mate - just found it. :\

[skytrain10]

Well you got to DH David, but sabredog has correctly identified it as the DH.81 Swallow Moth. Well done sabredog:ok:

sabredog has control

[sabredog]

Thank you,Skytrain10.
The next challenge,courtesy of David's handiwork;

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/mosquito633/Quiz94-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Well you got to DH David, but sabredog has correctly identified it as the DH.81
Swallow Moth.

....sometimes you win, sometimes.............

Since I know the identity of sds' challenge, I shall sign off and watch from the touchline. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Has the headmaster closed the playground? :uhoh:

[SincoTC]

Has the headmaster closed the playground?

Well, there certainly doesn't look like much danger of one of those mad playground collisions does there :ooh:!!

Not many about today and of course LM can't play!

My home internet went down Sat afternoon, dunno when it'll be fixed as there's a line fault to be found and fixed.

SD; I think we are in need of a clue or two, so I'll start the ball rolling.

Mountainous background and the cars look European, is this correct?

Odd looking wing-tip, so does the wing have end-plates or a bevelled U/S at the tips?

Homebuilt or kit, single-seater

[Lightning Mate]

'Artnoon TC. :)

Sorry to hear of your wigglyamp-jobber problems.

I put it all down to electrikery.

[SincoTC]

'Artnoon David :),

Well the string is certainly damp enough, so the signal should get through OK :\

Oh well, back to work now, catchya later, I hope!

[sabredog]

Not European or U.S.,SincoTC. It was a home build, and described as a scale model for another project! Wing tips are beveled up. Built in 1957.

[SincoTC]

Thanks SD,

Not European or U.S.

So, any other part of the Americas then; or are should we be looking to the Far East or Japan?

Inverted 4-cyl in-line engine?

Off home now, will resume search later IF connection permits :ugh:

[Lightning Mate]

I should stay at work mate, and drop down to that nice pub at the end of the lane for dinner.

Mind you, I don't want to take my Merc down there often - your Merc of course is worth fifty quid. :}:}

....sorry mate......:)

[sabredog]

Not Japanese nor South American,SincoTC. Think Antipodean.
Initially powered by a Continental C-65, after some fifty years was re-engined with a Continental C-85.
Still operational.
Sabredog

[evansb]

Andrews A.1 ?

[sabredog]

Correct, Brian, Hopefully this clip will work.
Andrews A-1 Special ZK-BLU - YouTube

[evansb]

Thanks. Here is an older and easier challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH120423.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Good morning Brian... YAK-18A??

Edit: I'll change that.. the Yakovlev UT-2 in one of its forms?

http://ram-home.com/ram-old/ut-2mv-jean449-prev.jpg (http://ram-home.com/ram-old/ut-2mv-jean449.jpg)

[Lightning Mate]

Might be the Lazarov LAZ-7M.

[Ridge Runner]

That's true, it might be. I went for the UT-2 because of the fin shape - the curve ahead of it. The YAK-18 (and the Lazarov) has a clean angle joint. RR

[Lightning Mate]

I have no doubts about the Lazarov because I found Brians' image on a 3-view.

You been away Martin?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Lazarov.jpg

To anyone coming on thread, this is not a challenge.

[Ridge Runner]

Yep, i agree!!! :) Now we wait .....

No, I've not been away, David, just busy ...... :(

[evansb]

LM, aka "Captain David" aka "Sir Lightning" is spot on.:ok: Yes, the Bulgarian LAZ-7M. There was a version powered by an inline engine. He who must be obeyed has control.

[Ridge Runner]

A nice one, Brian. Unfortunately I'll probably be off before David returns!!!! :(

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you evansb.

Stick around a mo RR...............

He who must be obeyed has control.

Wossat mean??

Are you expecting a congrats card when you hit 5000.......?:(

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/moonscape.jpg

[evansb]

Well, as far as forum posters go, you have a demanding, extrovert type "A" persona.
Not unexpected, given your fighter pilot past.

[Lightning Mate]

Yes - I lecture aviation psychology.

Stable Extravert

Extraverts tend to enjoy human interactions and to be enthusiastic, talkative,
assertive and gregarious. They take pleasure in activities that involve large
social gatherings, such as parties, community activities, public demonstrations,
and business or political groups. Politics, teaching, sales, managing and
brokering are fields that favour extraversion. An extraverted person is likely to
enjoy time spent with people and find less reward in time spent alone. They tend
to be energized when around other people, and they are more prone to boredom
when they are by themselves.

You have passed and I shall prepare your card. :)

[Ridge Runner]

Is your a dutch project, David?

[Lightning Mate]

Dutch - no.

Project - yes (and was actually designed).

[Lightning Mate]

Just for you Brian.............:)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/F6allmarkings1Converted.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Challenge repeated to circumnavigate banter........

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/moonscape.jpg

[evansb]

I initially thought Gloster, but given the background, is this a SAAB ?

[evansb]

Hmm...maybe it is a Gloster Rocket ? or the G.42 ?

[Lightning Mate]

Neither mate, but keep on walking up the track.

[sabredog]

Gloster CXP-1001?
If correct;
Open House

[Lightning Mate]

The Gloster it is. :ok:

sabredog has called Open House.

Let's hope it doesn't continue for long.

[sabredog]

Apologies for the delay,LM. The next challenge;
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/mosquito633/Quiz90-1.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

It looks like quite a giant, SD? American?

Edit: to cover my embarrassment, I posted in response to the small image without titling! :(

[Lightning Mate]

Good grief guys!!!!

[Lightning Mate]

If you insist:

Junkers R Flying Boat Project

[sabredog]

That is correct,LM.
I give up on Photobucket!!
YHC

[Lightning Mate]

I think you should be given the chance to post another one mate.

Do you agree RR?

Don't edit in Photobucket, and check PM.

[Ridge Runner]

Yep, assuming he is still with us!

[sabredog]

Thank you,LM,but I shall pass on this one.
SD

[Lightning Mate]

OK then - please standby for another..................

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/oldjob-1.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

A slip/floating wing machine, David?

[Lightning Mate]

No Martin.....

[Ridge Runner]

OK. The propshaft looks a little flimsy! Did it fly? Rubber-powered?

[Lightning Mate]

No mate - motorcycle engine - and two flew. :)

[Ridge Runner]

Avro 558????

[Lightning Mate]

That will do nicely. :ok:

Over to you mate.

[Ridge Runner]

Ta, mate. Here's one ....

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/55b1dd4a.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Looks fast - a racer?

Appears retractable gear but I can only see a gear cover on the left wheel and not the right.

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry, I missed a bit of shading... nothing asymetric about it! Not a racer

[Lightning Mate]

A fighter then?

[Ridge Runner]

Nope! I have to say that I've discovered that it has already been on SC! :( I'll keep it on, though as it was a fair while ago! RR

[Ridge Runner]

Clue: 360hp donk upfront

Usual rules apply as I'm off to lunch now... RR

[Lightning Mate]

A radial I assume.

If it's an M-14P engine, then it could have been the Bear 360, but the fin is taller on that.

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, a radial. Not the Bear 360. RR See you in an hour... RR

[Ridge Runner]

A clincher - the engine is an AI-14P

[Lightning Mate]

Would you be interested in the MAI Kvant...?

[Ridge Runner]

That's the jobby... You have control, David

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Martin - a good one.

I had been through all the Russian radials but it took some time to find the aeroplane.

A bipe for a change.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/greengrass.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

An Anzani engine?
European?

[Lightning Mate]

Northern European.

Can't reveal the engine because it was made by the manufacturer, which would lead you straight to it. :uhoh:

Going home now so light off for a wee while.

[SincoTC]

Evening Gentlemen,

First time on for a couple of days, too many meetings :\!!

The cowling had a "Rotary" look about it, so combined with engine/airframe from the same Northern European stable narrowed it down quite a bit

I found the Thulin E

Thulin E (http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/Flygkomp/09ThulinE.htm)

[Lightning Mate]

Wot you talking abaht?

Thulin E ?

Wossat?

Oh sorry, it's a winner. :D

Nice to see you - to see you nice - and your thread. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Thanks,

I'm off home in a few minutes; my home Internet is supposed to be back on again now but I won't know until I get back and try it!

I'm just preparing one to post before I go, it's an easy one, so if it's still down and my light doesn't come back on in an hour, assume the worst and apply the usual rules :)

[Lightning Mate]

OK mate.......................:ok:

e-mail me if it is not working cuz you won't have many options - but I can post for you. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Sorry mate, but if it isn't working I can't email you :)

I'm OK here though, so here it is!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf231-1.jpg

Off now, so if my light's not back on in a hour or so, apply usual rules :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

it's an easy one

.........TFD...............

[sabredog]

North American NA-35 (Lockheed Vega 35)?

[Lightning Mate]

SD,

Please leave your light on if you are monitoring the thread.

It confuses people. I am on thread and my green light is on.

Check post 7945............

[Lightning Mate]

TC,

WTFO the jobber between the cockpits...............:confused::confused::\

[SincoTC]

I'm back and my connection seems OK (not very fast, but at least it's working)!!

Evening SD, not a Lockheed or NA.

WTFO the jobber between the cockpits...............

I believe it's periscope for the ultimate back-seat driving experience!!

[Lightning Mate]

So, a submarine.........:E

Ah so Glasshopper, I have established that your original image is a gif.

...........jagged edges see..................

[Lightning Mate]

Nuther early start - 0600 :eek:.

See you tomorrow. :)

[SincoTC]

...........jagged edges see..................

Quite!! done in a hurry with Paint; 45 grands worth of 3D design software installed (plus 10% yearly maintenance :\), but bitmaps are beneath its dignity!! BTW, my image has always claimed to be a JPEG.

Edit:

nuther early start - 0600

Call that early, more like time for a first coffee break!!!!!!:p

Sleep well :ok:

[Noyade]

Absolutely no idea Trevor. Just thought I'd share that fact with you. :)

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme and thank you for that nugget of information :)

There was only one built, but it's well represented on the Web.

[Noyade]

Well mate, I think I've solved the Intruder Vs Prowler dilemma and everyone keeps saying here "don't work too hard" so I'll leave yours for someone else...for the moment. :)

Work beckons (but not hard work). Sleep well and cheers. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Cheers mate, have a good day, but don't work too hard ;)

[Karlark]

Good Morning TC, is it the Bellanca T-14-14?

[SincoTC]

Good evening Karl :),

Sorry, not a Bellanca!

Edit;

Hmm, I can see why you said that, apart from the fairing behind the rear cockpit (just visible in mine) it's pretty much identical, apart from the material!!

[SincoTC]

I'm going to be away from my computer quite a bit today, but I will leave my light on and monitor periodically.

[Ridge Runner]

Something from Timm???

[Ridge Runner]

Fairchild PT-19?

[SincoTC]

Hi Martin,

Not from Timm or Fairchild; but you're in the right country :)

[Lightning Mate]

'Artnoon TC.


I believe it's periscope

Could it possibly be a camera?

[SincoTC]

'Artnoon LM,

I suppose it could be a camera, but I've always understood that it and others like it on Primary Trainers of that period were periscopes.

Karlark's guess was pretty close, a one off, very similar or the same in all aspects except for the material used in its construction :)

[VX275]

Is it just me or is that ET in the front cockpit? :)

[SincoTC]

Not ET VX; the crew did appear in the original photo, but they were eliminated in the silhouetting process :E

It was taken on the ground BTW!

[Lightning Mate]

North American NA-35 ?

[Ridge Runner]

I don't think the tail's right, David

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/usa/lok_vega35.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Got any better ideas then Martin? :\

[Ridge Runner]

er .... nope ...... :(

[SincoTC]

C'mon guys,

Wots all the delay!! SD offered the NA-35 yesterday and I said no when I answered you about the jobber between the cockpits.

It is in Aerofiles with the picture I used, so is Karlark's guess, both with the same code, I said they were very similar apart from material and his was moulded plywood, plus I'll tell you now that the engine was basically the same!

The clock is now ticking, will David or Martin get there first (or SD or a lurker maybe). Go to it gentlemen :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Can't see from the silhouette TC, but is the wing braced?

[evansb]

Fleetwings Model 33 ?

[SincoTC]

Not Braced LM,

The material was a departure from the norm for this company and not wood as I've already stated

[Lightning Mate]

Franklin engine?

All metal construction?

[SincoTC]

Yippee!! I see we have a winner, but not from the listed runners!

Well done Brian, it is the Fleetwings 33 :D

http://www.aerofiles.com/fleetwings-33.jpg

Fleetwings 33 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleetwings_33)

evansb has control:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Blimey! I looked at that but in the picture I found the top of the fin has a much wider chord. :\

[SincoTC]

I agree that there does seem to be a considerable difference in the tip chord of the fin between the Aerofiles and Wiki pictures, only one prototype built, so I guess it was modified in testing!

[evansb]

Thanks. I found a matching vert stab Fleetwings 33 photo.

Here is the next silhouette:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH120426.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Bugger!

I'm off to have a good sulk.:{

[Ridge Runner]

Short SC.1???

[evansb]

RR is correct.:ok: One of two wing planforms on that bird. You have control.

[Ridge Runner]

Ta!!!

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/ppune190412A.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Is this one of those jobbers where the pilot sits in an open cockpit behind a passenger cabin by any chance?

[evansb]

Renard R.32 ?

[Ridge Runner]

That's the one, Brian! You have control again!

Sorry, David, I was out!!

[Lightning Mate]

No probs.

Since it was identified after nine minutes, it looks like you were out for a duck mate.

Brian, from your previous challenge, welcome to the one minute club.

[evansb]

Thank you. Here is the next one: (I don't see it on the list)
The top of the vertical stab is visible at the bottom of the pic.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/17-11-1.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

a very tall fin/rudder, Brian! Clearly significant as you've left it in the side view!!

[evansb]

Built in the 1950s. Lycoming O-235 powered.

[Noyade]

Possibly the Musang from Manila?...

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5258/img606a.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/img606a.jpg/)

If so....open house.

[evansb]

Noyade is correct. As he wants, it is OPEN HOUSE.

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry everyone, I posted yet another that has been on before - the Korolev RP-318-1 Rocketglider. I therefore deleted it.

RR

So, still OPEN HOUSE

[Ridge Runner]

This one isn't on the list!

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/2aaa60e7.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Good afternoon Martin.

First chance to look today and I'm limited on time for a while.

This thing appears to have an unconventional propulsion system

Might it be a rocket?

[Ridge Runner]

No, mate. Piston power!

[Noyade]

Might it be a rocket? No mate.

It's the best name a plane could have...

...the Grokhovskii Kukuracha...

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7852/img607.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/i/img607.jpg/)

But it was a quick look at PPRuNe while getting another bottle of red (hic). Now heading back outside to the bonfire...

Open house...

Edit : Beaten by the effects of alcohol.

[Ridge Runner]

Ah, bugger! That's the one Graeme!!! As this is the only know photo it I thought it would last a while... clearly not!! NOYADE HAS CONTROL

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G (http://ram-home.com/ram-old/g-old.html#g3)-39Cucaracha by P.I.Grokhovskij (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.designer('grokhovskij')), V.F.Bolkhovitinov (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.designer('bolkhovitinov')), S.G.Kozlov, A.E.Kaminov


In 1933 (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.showYear(1933)) team lead by P.I.Grokhovskij (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.designer('grokhovskij')) started project of unusual tailless aircraft.It was not the first proposal, but the first (and only) such aircraft of the Ostechbureau (http://ram-home.com/ram-old/o-old.html#ostechbureau)to be built. Following general concept of P.I.Grokhovskij (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.designer('grokhovskij')) (patented February 25, 1935 (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.showYear(1935))), it was not a pure experimental machine, but a fighterprototype. One of very uncommon appearance and unusual armament.

It was a specialized ramming fighter. First, it supposed to carry apneumatic gun in the long nose boom. This boom could be also used to tear holesin enemy zeppelins and blimps. Two steel wires running from the nose boom tothe wing tips to cut tail surfaces of the enemy aircraft. If wire fails,leading edges of the wing carried steel blades to serve same goal.

And the most unusual - rotating powerplant had to provide the G-39 withvertical takeoff. The concept was patented by P.I.Grokhovskij (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.designer('grokhovskij')) as "Installation of the powerplant in thecentral section of the fuselage".

P.I.Grokhovskij (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.designer('grokhovskij')) had no illusions about experience of his team.Unusual aircraft layout required much more experience than he and hiscolleagues had. As a man of practical solutions, P.I.Grokhovskij (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.designer('grokhovskij')) could sacrifice his ambitions in favour ofsolving the problem. Three skilled designers ('professors' V.F.Bolkhovitinov (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.designer('bolkhovitinov')), S.G.Kozlov, A.E.Kaminov) were invited tojoin Ostechbureau (http://ram-home.com/ram-old/o-old.html#ostechbureau) for this Programm. They were attracted by bothterms of contract and challenges of the project.

General layout of the G (http://ram-home.com/ram-old/g-old.html#g3)-39 resembled tailless aircraft of B.I.Cheranovskij (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.designer('cheranovskij')). Short cigar of the fuselage was crowned withdear-drop shaped canopy. Windshield was protected by (retractable?) steel plate- bullet deflector, since G-39 supposed to approach close to enemy planes forramming.

Leading edge of the wing had 38° sweep. Trailing edge was occupied by ailerons/flapsof large area and span. Wingtips had sharp anhedral to provide additional aircushion at low speed for short takeoff and landing. Engine with pusherpropeller was installed at the rear end of the fuselage. It could be tiltedvertically upwards for vertical takeoff. Of course, propeller pitch had to beinverted for this purpose!

Four-point fixed landing gear included small main wheels on long strutsattached at the wing roots and small outriggers at the wing trailing edge, nearwingtips.

Long thin 'legs' of main landing gear, cutting wires 'antennae', tear-dropcanopy and anhedral wings provided G (http://ram-home.com/ram-old/g-old.html#g3)-39with appearance of and insect. Following popular song of the time, aircraft receivednickname 'Cucaracha'.

Construction of the prototype was carried out in quite a poor condition. G (http://ram-home.com/ram-old/g-old.html#g3)-39was not in the official plan of the Ostechbureau (http://ram-home.com/ram-old/o-old.html#ostechbureau),and was built in after work hours from materials saved on other projects. Teamhad no new (or even sufficiently powerful) engine, but they managed to obtainand restore 'well-worn' M-11 (http://ram-home.com/ram-old/eng_m-11.html).

Shortage of experienced workers and poor technological base of the TsAGI (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.designer('tsagi')) workshop forced to simplify design 'on the fly' duringassembly. Cockpit canopy was replaced by small windshield. Ramming armament wasnot fitted. Even oval cutout in the wing was straightened, and wing wastransformed from triangular to swept. None of the trial witnesses noticed VTOL enginemounts...

On the assembly stage G (http://ram-home.com/ram-old/g-old.html#g3)-39 was frequently visited by V.P.Chkalov. He was a seniortest pilot of the project, and detailed knowledge of the plane was a must forhim. His advice was very valuable, specially in cockpit arrangement.

In the end of Spring 1935 (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3e:parent.frames%5b2%5d.showYear(1935)) G-39 rolled out for trials. "Indeed, looks like acockroach. Let's give it a try." - said Chkalov, climbing into cockpit.'Cucaracha' was running, accelerating - but refused to leave the ground. Allskills and determination of pilot failed to force G (http://ram-home.com/ram-old/g-old.html#g3)-39to fly. When fuel tank was empty, Chkalov noticed grimly: "True cockroach. And cockroach does not fly. There issome miscalculation, or may be you just outsmarted yourself, my dear."

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/juice-1.jpg

Wanna a bit of fun RR?