Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[Lightning Mate]

I already looked at post 9489 and concluded it eliminated Asia and Australia, but that is all.

Unfortunately I have to go in 20 minutes - still not internet at the new place!

Have a pleasant evening.

[Ridge Runner]

oh dear... brush up on your history then, David!!!

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks, you too!!!

RR

[Lightning Mate]

Somewhere here then.........

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/map_asia.gif

[Ridge Runner]

Nope!!!!

You asked if I counted Scandinavia or Russia as Europe. I said "no", but I had discounted Europe. Therefore .....

:)

Come on number two .....

[Lightning Mate]

Right then, may I discount Russia?

[Ridge Runner]

NO! ... phew ... we got there!!!

[Lightning Mate]

Evening Ken. :)

I can only find one refernce to it on the internet!

Not much of a chance then is there!

All I have established is that it's Russian.

[skytrain10]

Busy afternoon/evening so not had much chance to look in to this one.

I think it's the Kubyshev I-2 Impulse?

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/81e63bcb.jpg

[Noyade]

Kubyshev I-2 Impulse

Evening Ken. I can't find that on the net, but toggling back and forth to page 474 and comparing Martin's profile to your photo - looks like a match.

It's a "confirmed" from me. :)

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme. The picture I posted is from the net (despite it's appearance) although I confess to having first identified it as a likely candidate from the description in Osprey's excellent publicaition on Russian aircraft. There is a 3-view on the same website.

How's things with you? And how's the pc?

I'll prep a challenge shortly.

[Noyade]

How's things with you? And how's the pc?

All good - at the moment. Girl from Manila (Telstra Bigpond) tells me that if I don't regularly "Clear History" the browsing speed slows down? You believe that?

You all good?

Osprey's excellent publicaition

What page?

[skytrain10]

Girl from Manila (Telstra Bigpond) tells me that if I don't regularly "Clear History" the browsing speed slows down? You believe that? Yep - have had first hand experience of that - not the girl from Manila that is - the bit about regularly clearing out the history:) Also worth removing any programmes you don't use as well as deleting old files which just clog up the pc.

All good hear - work is keeping me pretty busy. Just about to look for a new car to replace Sue's.

What page? 510:ok: Figured it would have to be something that there was no picture of as Martin know's I have the book:)

[Noyade]

510http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gifCrikey mate, you really are the dedicated "Silhouette Finder". :) I tend to ignore pages that have no line drawings/photos.

the bit about regularly clearing out the historyhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif The thing is though, I restored the PC to factory settings and the problem was still there. I mean how much history can you accumulate in a few hours?

Computers - a love/hate relationship. :suspect:

[Noyade]

clearing out the historyAnd whenever I do that and pop back to PPRuNe, I keep seeing this...

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/9913/17108301242.jpg (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/17108301242.jpg/)

[Noyade]

I'll prep a challenge shortly. Heading out Ken. Will see what you've got later today.

Cheers. :ok:

[skytrain10]

I'm certainly no expert on pc's but does restoring factory settings actually delete history? Incidentally I've seen that IB Inc symbol before...cant recall what I did to make it disappear.

Anyway on to stuff we probably know more about...next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/43a3d837.jpg

[skytrain10]

Closing down for the night now. Usual rules apply:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Ken.

......you really are the dedicated "Silhouette Finder"

I'll drink to that!! That must be the win of the year so far - how on earth did you find it?

:D:D

[skytrain10]

how on earth did you find it? Well, it had been established it was Russian, so I had a look at the previously mentioned book, found a brief description of the Impulse, and then looked for it on the web. Ironically I found it on a website I had previously saved but forgot to look at! In otherwords you didn't need a book to find it:)

So any thoughts on the current challenge? Need a clue?

[Ridge Runner]

Kubyshev I-2 Impulse

Well done. Ken

the latest is a Kraguj?

OH if so!!

RR

Edit: or Piaggio 148?

[skytrain10]

Thanks Martin...hope you didn't mind that we moved on.

Not a Kraguj or a Piaggio....but you are close with the former:)

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken.

Is it an UTVA Aero ?

[skytrain10]

Is it an UTVA Aero ? Nope, right country, but not an UTVA.

[Lightning Mate]

LIBIS KB-6 Matajur then ?

[skytrain10]

LIBIS KB-6 Matajur then ? Not that either David. Something altogether rarer....just the one built.

[skytrain10]

See you're still there David...to keep things moving along as it seems to be just you and I, do you need a clue?

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry mate - I was disdtracted by some paperwork.

I have looked at all Yugoslavian manufacturers which I can find, but the only models which resemble yours have been the guesses I have posted above.

[skytrain10]

Design commenced in 1953, and first flew in 1958. Fitted with an Italian CNA engine which reportedly had problems that resulted in development of the aircraft not going beyond the prototype stage.

[Lightning Mate]

Presumably the engine preceded the aeroplane, so is the powerplant a CNA D series ?

[skytrain10]

so is the powerplant a CNA D series ? It is indeed...a D4 to be precise:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

Figured it would have to be something that there was no picture of as Martin know's I have the bookhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

That piccie is on the net but it seems you boys didn't find it!? Correctly it was not Russian but a Soviet machine!

RR

[Ridge Runner]

Avia FL.3??????? OH if so

[skytrain10]

Avia FL.3??????? OH if so Not an Avia Martin.

Just to remind everyone, we are looking for:
- an aircraft whose design commenced in 1953 and first flew in 1958
- only one produved
- from Yugoslavia
- fitted with a CNA D4 engine

A simple google search should identify it!

[skytrain10]

Still not gone....the key to the search is the engine:ok:

[SincoTC]

Evening Gents,

This one looks like a tough one to crack Ken, a quick shot with the latest clues before I go home in a few minutes; is it the Belgrade Student BS-1 ??

I haven't found a photo yet and unfortunately I still have no home Internet at the moment, so OH please if correct!!

[Lightning Mate]

Belgrade Student BS-1 ?

Sod it!!!!!

[skytrain10]

is it the Belgrade Student BS-1 It is indeed the BS-1 Trevor - well done:ok: Incidentally wiki refers to it as the AAK BS-1 Student.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/2d49e131.jpg

According to Wiki it's at the Belgrade Aviation Museum - I have a feeling one of our regulars has visited there:)

Sorry David...after all the effort you were pipped at the post. In the circumstances since Trevor has declared OH, I am sure no-one would object if control went to you.

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you.

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning all.

I will be only able to monitor intermittently until lunchtime.

This one is not obscure......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/blusky-2.jpg

[skytrain10]

Morning David. It looks like a jet powered glider, but that bulge underneath the fuselage is odd. An experimental job? Unconventional power source?

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken.

It is indeed a jet-powered glider. Not experimental, just a jet-powered version.

[Lightning Mate]

I don't think many of the jet-powered version were built.

Although I can't find any information, I think the bulge is a small fuel tank.

The photograph shows it to be under the wing root, not the fuselage - therefore there must be another on the other side.

edit: moving to our other building - back shortly.

[Lightning Mate]

Would anyone like the photograph as a clue?

[Ridge Runner]

ah, go on, be a devil ......

[Lightning Mate]

Standby then........

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/photoclue.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

A NASA machine?????

[Lightning Mate]

Not American.

Edit: going home, back soon.

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry to leave you but I have to get off early to see a gas man! With no internet at home I'll catch you on Monday! Have a good one!

M

[skytrain10]

Not been able to look in since this morning...busy workwise unfortunately.

I kept looking at the Caproni-Vizzola A-21 series of gliders, but the A-21J and A-21SJ featured retractable jets.....however....I think this is a one-off A-21J that was converted by Lockheed/Mississippi State University to a fixed jet arrangement.

I guess LM has closed down now for the night, and no one around to second my suggestion. Closing down now, and not around tomorrow, so if correct it will have to be Open House. Good night.

[Noyade]

no one around to second my suggestionJust missed ya mate.

I think this is a one-off A-21J that was converted by Lockheed/Mississippi State University to a fixed jet arrangement.
Can't find LM's photo but the general layout looks like the Caproni and I have found mention of the Lockheed/Mississippi conversion in a few sources which also mention the two under-wing fuel tanks.

Happy to confirm, but I don't know if it received a different designation?

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/594/img014di.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/img014di.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Still here Graeme:ok: But was just about to turn the pc off when I thought I'd have one last look. David's photo is on Minijets website: The Minijets Website: Caproni A21J Calif (http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=37) where you'll see it referred to as a A-21J modified by Lockheed. I did a bit more investiagation and it is the only one and was purely experimental. Not sure if it should be classified as American or Italian?

Anyway take a look at the link and I'll leave you confirm or not - as I said it will have to be OH anyway.

Have a good day mate - cheers:)

[Noyade]

I'll leave you confirm or not

Definite confirmation now. :ok:

Sleep well. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning/g'day.

I had to go out unexpectedly last night.

Great shot Ken - it's the Vizzola A21SJ. :D

Pity you're not around - please take the OH Graeme, because Martin won't be around either and TC is probably working.

[Noyade]

Good morning David. :)

So what happens on the weekends these days? Trevor and Ken work and Martin is without a computer? Sad state of affairs. I lost my GIMP program and have to improvise I'm sorry...

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4486/img019vm.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/img019vm.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

I don't work at weekends mate.

Martin has just moved and I suspect is awaiting internet connection.

Trevor is simply a workaholic.

edit - can't you download GIMP again?

[Noyade]

edit - can't you download GIMP again?

Yep. Sometime soon.

[Noyade]

Probably not the best illustration, so...

Trees are most likely Eucalyptus and the birds at bottom right, Currawongs. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Did that actually fly?

.....and wossa apparent cables on the fuselage do?

[Noyade]

Yes, it flew.

and wossa apparent cables on the fuselage do? Dunno mate, but you can see the same apparatus in the bottom photo...

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7883/img020fe.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/img020fe.jpg/)

[Noyade]

I'll leave you with another clue mate.

Here is the designer...

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/311/f293m.jpg (http://img594.imageshack.us/i/f293m.jpg/)

The photos above are on the net. When you find it, just move on as I suspect no one will be around to confirm it? Night. :ok:

(Why don't you have a crack at "Challenge" as well - chopper, chopper chopper...:))

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon David :),

TC is probably working

Indeed I am; just having a quick break, but looks like I have missed Graeme!

That's the Lawrence Wackett Warbler

[Lightning Mate]

Shot TC. :D:D

There is no need for a seconder on this one.

Off you go.................

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM,

Similar in one way to the last challenge

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf242.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

If that's a bipe, does it have reverse stagger?

[SincoTC]

Similar in one way to the last challenge

It'll keep the sun off if there is any this summer ;)

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks mate - a parasol - I've been down this route before..................

[SincoTC]

Back on watch in an hour or so :)

[Noyade]

Evening. :)

Good job on the Warbler Trevor. :ok:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5903/img021zb.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/img021zb.jpg/)

Similar in one way to the last challengeIn what way mate?
European?
Did it participate in WWII?

[SincoTC]

G'afternoon Graeme :),

Thanks, the Warbler looked like an interesting little machine.

In what way mate?
European?
Did it participate in WWII?

It's a parasol mate :)

European, late twenties, trainer and utility aircraft, but also used for reconnaissance, presumably during WWII.

[irishair2001]

Just a wild guess , Anbo IV from Lithuania

[SincoTC]

Morning Irishair,

Not such a wild guess, correct manufacturer, wrong type by a very small margin!!

Edit to say that I'm not looking for a variant of the IV, we've had them before and as I said in answer to Graeme it's not a fighter.

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like a III.

[SincoTC]

Morning LM :)

It seem like irishair has done a hit and run (not on active list but I see his light is still on)!

Looks like a III

That's 'coz it is an ANBO III :D

ANBO III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANBO_III)

Lightning Mate has control :ok:

[irishair2001]

Sorry Sinco,I did not see any other lights on so i expedited a hastey departure:ok:

[SincoTC]

No problems irishair, you were so close and as your light was on I was expecting you to close the deal, but LM beat you to it!

Now where is LM?? :)

Edit:
Out of interest irishair, have you got to grips with image posting, I seem to recall that in previous times you had to call OH because of this?

[Lightning Mate]

Now where is LM?? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Here..........

[Lightning Mate]

Just for once, I didn't have a problem with that challenge because it was in my portfolio as a future challenge. :O

With gratitude to Photoshop.........

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/bluesunday-1.jpg

[SincoTC]

Hmm,

Is your latest pre-1914 ? a two-seater? and is that a V-Twin or Triple "Fan-type" of some kind?

Just going out to cut the grass before it gets too wet again, back soon!!

[Lightning Mate]

Pre-1914 - two seater.

Not a V-twin.

It's a radial and I have just noticed that the "neon glow" software didn't quite portray it well.

My post has been edited to show the engine shape more accurately.

[SincoTC]

Back from the garden for a while :)

Thanks for changing the motor profile :ok:

Any point in looking on the Aerodrome site, 'coz I just went to have a quick look and i'm getting an "Access Denied" message on a large number of the images (some do appear OK) despite being correctly logged-in :\

[Lightning Mate]

I don't know - I don't use it.

That's not where I got the original from.

[SincoTC]

Thanks for that

Ah, but it look like it is a Breguet!

The Breguet H-U3 hydro-avion ??

[Lightning Mate]

Deal. :D

Back to you.

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM,

PhotoBucket seems very sluggish at the moment, but here is the next!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf243.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

PhotoBucket seems very sluggish at the moment

So am I...............!!!

Is that French as well?

[SincoTC]

So am I...............!!!

Me too, seen what time I answered Graeme and got SD's cockpit this morning; car alarm went off due to falling branch!!

not French mate

[Lightning Mate]

Were you up that tree trying to connect web elektrickery?

[SincoTC]

:ok:Well, it does all run through said trees :uhoh::ugh:

[Lightning Mate]

Can't find your challenge, but I've found your problem............

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/squirrel-in-tree.jpg

[SincoTC]

:):):)

I think you're right, the little bugger, I'll have his nuts for that!!!

Do you want another view?

[Lightning Mate]

Please....

[SincoTC]

Here 'tiz then :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/sqnute.jpg

Just off to get my side-cutters :E

[Lightning Mate]

the little bugger, I'll have his nuts for that!!!

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/squirrel_nuts.jpg

[SincoTC]

Here's the real clue!

I looked at that one and thought it was a bit OTT for a Sunday :eek:

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf243Side.jpg

[irishair2001]

Sorry Sinco,no i have not yet mastered the art of posting,will try when time allows,might this be a Breguet 691 ?

[SincoTC]

No Problems mate, it's easier than you think, but you're more than welcome to participate anyway with an OH.

Sorry, but it's not a Breguet

[SincoTC]

A quiet evening, not been many folk around though.

I suspect that there's enough to be getting on with, so I'll hold back on any additional clues at the moment as the early Monday/Sunday evening shift are quite capable of getting it without further help :)

Usual rules apply if seconded while I :zzz:

[evansb]

Italian ? Possibly from Piaggio ?

[SincoTC]

Good evening Brian,

It is Italian, but not a Piaggio.

[Noyade]

This looks promising....

Savoia-Marchetti SM.89 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.89)

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon Graeme :)

This looks promising....

And it is!!:D

I knew it wouldn't last long once you were about; it is the Savoia-Marchetti SM.89

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/sm89-2.jpg

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor. :) You're up early mate. I just got home from work, so I'll have a scrounge around shortly, but until then, open house.

Don't work too hard. :ok:

[Noyade]

Found one....
...it is on Mel's list, but it didn't look like this...

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5721/tailo.png (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/tailo.png/)

[SincoTC]

Gotta go now mate, but how many and what type of engines?

Catchya later, have a good evening :ok:

[Noyade]

but how many and what type of engines?Two radials. Pratt and Whitney.

[Lightning Mate]

G'day mate.

Curtiss Wright C-46 Commando ?

[Ridge Runner]

Nah, it is French, mate but I can't remember the name

[Ridge Runner]

SNCASO SO-30R??

Edit: wrong engines

[Noyade]

SNCASO SO-30That'll do me mate. I have it as the 30N prototype. P&W is also what I have. I just didn't know that it originally had a single tail.

Your control Martin. :ok:

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/6836/img017q.jpg (http://img853.imageshack.us/i/img017q.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks Graeme. Here's the next one:

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune240612A.gif

[skytrain10]

Morning Martin...East or Central European?

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Ken!!!

Neither mate.

RR

[Noyade]

Any connection to the the Kurir DM-6R?

Recent?
Kitplane?

[Ridge Runner]

Kurir DM-6R?

nope!

- Not recent
- Not a kitplane

R

[Noyade]

Southern Hemisphere?

[Ridge Runner]

Northern, Graeme

[Noyade]

Many made?

[Ridge Runner]

Good question! I'm not sure as info on the web is scant. My guess is no!

[Noyade]

What was your last challenge Martin, Soviet wasn't it?
Are you back there again?

[skytrain10]

Looking around...French?....maybe the SNCAC NC.855 (which is the one SNCAC I cant find a photo of!).

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, Graeme! :)

(I think that answers things for you, Ken?)

[skytrain10]

Would this be the M-3 designed by N P Masterov? (still looks SNCAC'ish:))

Edit, offline for a while now, so if correct will have to be Open House

[Ridge Runner]

That's the one!

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/7d922114.gif


Ken has declared OPEN HOUSE

[skytrain10]

Thanks Martin. A nice challenge:ok:

As I'm back I'll take up my own OH, so here is the next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/a5d6e837.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Afternoon Ken.

Low or mid-wing?

[Ridge Runner]

it looks like a small lump upfront, Ken. A small Lyco, maybe?

[skytrain10]

Afternoon David:)
Low or mid-wing? Neither of those...try high:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

A Meteor product, perhaps???

[Ridge Runner]

Neither of those...try highhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

that counts my Meteor out! :(

[skytrain10]

A Meteor product, perhaps??? Nope, but it is European.

it looks like a small lump upfront, Ken. A small Lyco, maybe? Yes, it is compartively small (85 or 105hp) but not a Lycooming.

[Ridge Runner]

ah, so a kit or homebuilt then?

[skytrain10]

ah, so a kit or homebuilt then? No, a production aircraft. But only a few were built.

[Ridge Runner]

Blimey! french???

[skytrain10]

Blimey! french??? Not French mate. You need to head east.

[Ridge Runner]

OK, some weird eastern european machine, then?

[skytrain10]

OK, some weird eastern european machine, then? Not sure if its particularly weird, but it is from eastern Europe:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

Unfortunately I have to up and leave!!! Internet won't be connected until 02nd July - bl**dy BT - so will catch you tomorrrow!

RR

[skytrain10]

Ok Martin....catch you tomorrow.

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening Ken.

Not too much time available this evening, but since your last one was from Yugoslavia, is this one by any chance ?

[skytrain10]

Evening David but since your last one was from Yugoslavia, is this one by any chance Now would I do that?. Well, as it happens, yes:ok:

[skytrain10]

Morning, no takers overnight so a couple of clues to start the day:
- Original design was by a civilian aero club in 1955, but did not fly until either 1958 or 1959. 5 aircraft produced.
- Walter Minor engine upgraded from the original 85hp unit to105hp.

Martin, one correction to my comment yesterday, I note that a variant of the this design was fitted with a Lycoming engine. However the external appearance of that aircraft differs quite significantly from this one.

[Ridge Runner]

a LIBIS, Ken?

[skytrain10]

a LIBIS, Ken? Morning mate, sorry no, not a Libis.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning..:)

[skytrain10]

Morning David:)

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken.

Is this thing still on the register ?

[skytrain10]

Is this thing still on the register ? None current that I can see. I would assume that at least one (the prototype) is still in existance, albeit not flying.

Here's a picture of the prototype, which ended up being fitted with the bigger engine:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/b2aa4e42.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

a Cvjetkovic machine, Ken????

Edit: or an AAK or ATZ aircraft???

[skytrain10]

Edit: or an AAK or ATZ aircraft??? Ah ah....I have two different names for it...Wiki lists the manufacturer as ATZ :ok:

So what's the model number?

[Ridge Runner]

I'd like tothink it is the V-55? It is in the Belgrade Museum. I've been there but can't remember it!!!

[skytrain10]

I'd like tothink it is the V-55? Good thinking, it is the ATZ (aka Vajic) V.55:ok: A design from the Zagreb Aero Club, a total of 5 aircraft built over a 15 year period!

Your control Martin.

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks Ken. Here is the next, although not a silhouette!!

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune260612A.jpg

[skytrain10]

A single seater Martin?. Not another Russian design?:)

[Ridge Runner]

two seat, not a ruskie! :)

[skytrain10]

Something from Brazil....an IPAI design?

[Ridge Runner]

No Ken, go ENE! :)

[skytrain10]

No Ken, go ENE! Mmm, Africa, or should I keep going. Maybe Iran or India?

[Ridge Runner]

oo er, no mate. Try Southern Europe!

[skytrain10]

And there I was looking for something a little more exotic! So Italy then - or have you gone further east?

[Ridge Runner]

Yep!!! You are so nearly there!!!!

[skytrain10]

Cant find a photo, but the Partenavia P.52 possibly?

[Ridge Runner]

No mate but you are very warm!

[Lightning Mate]

I think it's a development of the P53, the M.D.B. Aeroscooter .

[Ridge Runner]

running out of time so ...

http://www.fiorenzadebernardi.it/SecondoLivello/Aeroscooter%20MdB%2002_file/Originale.jpg
F/F 1957
Two seat
Italy
One built

[Ridge Runner]

Learning from Trevor, David? i.e. zipping in with the correct answer!!! Yes, it is the De Bernardi M.d.B 02 Aeroscooter.

The De Bernardi M.d.B. 02 Aeroscooter is a two seat light sport aircraft designed by Mario De Bernardi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_De_Bernardi) as a follow on to the single seat Partenavia P.53 Aeroscooter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partenavia_P.53_Aeroscooter).De Bernardi developed the all metal single seat Partenavia Aeroscooter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partenavia_Aeroscooter) earlier. Seeking to improve the design, the M.d.B. 02 Aeroscooter was developed as a two seat aircraft to be built by CAP in Bergamo


http://www.fiorenzadebernardi.it/SecondoLivello/Aeroscooter%20MdB%2002_file/FotoMDB.jpg
LM has control!!!

[skytrain10]

Good call David. I'd looked at the Aeroscooter previously but discounted it and had just moved on to see if there was something from Piaggio! Nice one Martin:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

I consider that to be theft from Ken, so I return the property to its' rightful owner.

Your thread Ken. :)

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry but I have to go!!!! :(

[skytrain10]

Thank you David, that is kind of you:ok:

Here is the next challenge:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/f671f17a.jpg

[Karlark]

That's a shapely lookin' one, Ken. Pobjoy engine?

Edit: Ok, I just happened to know that one :): Shapley Kittiwake?

Open house if correct. Only had time to peek in. Cheers.

[skytrain10]

She is indeed very Shapeley Karl:)

Yes, it is the gull-wing Shapeley Kittiwake from 1937 :D

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/86854cfc.jpg

Good to see you back around Karl. Control is with you

Correction to that, Karlark has declared Open House. David, perhaps you have one lined up?

[Lightning Mate]

Who me?..........lots.....

This ain't it, but hold on.....:)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/SkytrainDC10.jpg

[skytrain10]

Go for it then!

Edit, nice bit of editing mate:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/goldfinger.jpg

[skytrain10]

German David?

[Lightning Mate]

.........:ok:

[Noyade]

G'day mate.

First thought was a Brandenburg, but now think this is post-WWI?
A Heinkel of some description? Maybe He-5? Can't find many Heinkel pics at the moment.

[Lightning Mate]

G'day mate.

Not a Heinkel - early 1920s, not many made.

[skytrain10]

Morning David. It looks like the LFG V.20 Arkona. If it is, take a look at the underside of the tail - your sihouette has included a piece of the hangar door:)

http://www.histaviation.com/LFG_V_20_Arkona_I_Metall.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

I reckon David actually used that photo, Ken!

Morning by the way!!!

[Lightning Mate]

That's the one Ken. :ok:

My mistake on the filling in.:\

You have control.

[skytrain10]

Thanks David. A good challenge...like Graeme my first thoughts were Heinkel or Hansa-Brandenburg. After ruling those out I decided to sleep on it:) Morning Martin:ok:

Something a bit newer:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/9682e07a.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Morning again Ken.

Do I see a T-tail ?

[Noyade]

Morning.

Bellanca T-250 Aries?

[skytrain10]

Bellanca T-250 Aries? Good call Graeme - yes it is the Aries:ok: One of their least successful designs, with just 5 aircraft built.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/fa7cd347.jpg

Noyade has control

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3774/img023zo.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/img023zo.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

You sod!

Surely that's French....

edit: no, a Curtiss D2 Kingbird.

[Noyade]

You sod!

Now, why would you call me that?

Curtiss D2 Kingbird.

Tis indeed. Your control. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks mate.

Photobucket is down - trying Image Shack....

[Lightning Mate]

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2260/redyob.jpg

[Noyade]

Vagra, Morresy, 2150 something, something?

I'm typing from the heart. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Varga 2150A Kachina.

Back to you. :D

[Noyade]

Sweet Jesus - that was a fluke mate. I'm on my second glass of red and have nothing. :(

Open House.

(I would really like to know what that intake is - any ideas? - how come you don't play anymore David?)

[Lightning Mate]

how come you don't play anymore David?

Because people post and then disappear, sometimes for days.

Try Goggling military jet trainers.....:)

Remove the OH, put the glass down and get something in a hurry!

[Noyade]

Because people post and then disappear, sometimes for days.

Yeah, so what? Part of life, no?
It's running smoothly now.

What nationality? :)

[Noyade]

Remove the OH, put the glass down and get something in a hurry!

Too late, I'm pleasantly pissed. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

What nationality?

Try India.

[Ridge Runner]

er .... http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/1b3d9bd9.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Martin. :)

Landing, or you had trouble with the undercart?

[Lightning Mate]

Tachikawa 92

[Ridge Runner]

Your control David

Hi Graeme! It was in the grass!

RR

[Noyade]

Wow!

Confirmed.

Edit...Unnecessary confirmation.

[Lightning Mate]

Nicely moving thread today.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8725/brownthistime.jpg

[Noyade]

No idea what that is mate - some sort of French racer?

Tachikawa 92 :D

Wonderful stuff! Never seen that before. How come you got it so quick David?

(On glass No.3)

[Lightning Mate]

How come you got it so quick David?

....Lightning pilot....

The challenge was not a racer or French.


How come you got it so quick David?

I Goggled "1930s twin piston transport aircraft" and scrolled down to page 7 - try it.:)

[Noyade]

I Goggled "1930s twin piston transport aircraft" "1930s twin piston transport aircraft" - Google Search (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=%221930s+twin+piston+transport+aircraft%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=qur&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=t_LqT8CINIiXiAfV9fy2BQ&ved=0CEkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=566)

[Lightning Mate]

Try removing the inverted commas.......

[Noyade]

Fighter aircraft? Odd that the undercart is braced with a vertical strut?

[Lightning Mate]

Not a fighter - liason.


Odd that the undercart is braced with a vertical strut

Presumably to take vertical loads.

[Noyade]

1930s twin piston transport aircraft - Google Search (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=1930s+twin+piston+transport+aircraft&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=eyr&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=o_PqT4WIDOnYigfTlrHsBQ&ved=0CEoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=566)

Amazing - there's the Curtiss Kingston! _ 14th row. I dunno mate, I give up on "searches", never seems to work for me. Either I recognise it or I don't.

[Noyade]

Not a fighter - liason.

We talking WWII mate?

[Lightning Mate]

Yep.......

[Noyade]

Presumably to take vertical loads. Yeah, but that would be like a Henschel Hs-126 with an additional strut? I mean why, can't be that heavy?

[Noyade]

Yep.......

Thank you.

Many built?

[Lightning Mate]

Think about the implications of a hard landing then.

Many built?

Production run 43.

[Noyade]

Congrats on 12,000 by the way. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks mate - I hadn't noticed.

[Noyade]

Deceptive silhouette - is it a high-wing?

[Noyade]

Production run 43.

****! That's a lot - Japanese?

[Lightning Mate]

European..

[Ridge Runner]

its an Italian, I reckon!

[Lightning Mate]

Not Italian Martin.

Challenge re-posted.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8725/brownthistime.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Deceptive silhouette - is it a high-wing?

First prototype was shoulder-wing, thence high wing.

This is the first prototype.

Moving buildings now - back very shortly.

[Noyade]

thenceYou poms crack me up! :)

Stabbing blindly and intoxicated - Polish?

Moving buildings nowYou're a strong bugger!? :ooh:

[Lightning Mate]

Getting close mate. :)

[Ridge Runner]

OK, so Polish????

[Lightning Mate]

That's what Graeme asked and I said he was getting close.

Certainly is eastern Europe.

Go SE.

[skytrain10]

Is it the SFKB KB-11 Fazan from Bulgaria?

[Lightning Mate]

We have a winner gentlemen.

All yours mate.

(lost me smileys)

[skytrain10]

Thanks David:ok:

Next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/0ea6c5da.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Have to go shortly.

If that's a high wing I assume it's cantilevered.

er no.... looking at the fillets more like mid or low wing.

[skytrain10]

looking at the fillets more like mid or low wing. Low wing:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

A ULA, Ken??

[Lightning Mate]

Catch you later ken. :ok:

[skytrain10]

A ULA, Ken?? No, not a ULA Martin.

Cheers David....hope you can look in later:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

single-seater?

[skytrain10]

single-seater? Yes, a single seater:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

amateur built?

[skytrain10]

amateur built? No, a production aircraft, albeit in a comparitively small quantity.

[Ridge Runner]

OK

European?
Lyco engine?
Sports category?

RR

[skytrain10]

European? Yep:ok:
Lyco engine? No
Sports category?
No
Just realised there was a 2 seat variant, but that never went in to production.

[Lightning Mate]

Cheers David....hope you can look in laterhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

I came - I saw- and :mad:

I've had a good day here today, but my luck has just run out!

[skytrain10]

I've had a good day here today, but my luck has just run out! Well I see your light is on so maybe you are still around for a clue. A European design as Martin has established, but fitted with a Russian engine.

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks mate.

I can't stay around because up at 0600 in order to get to the Goodwood Festival of S p e e d.

Needless to say I won't be around tomorrow.

Got complimentary tickets to the Festival and all kinds of stuff.:ok::ok:

I wonder how many people there have moved at 1450 mph ?????

Cheers. :)

[skytrain10]

Goodwood Festival of S p e e d. Enjoy the day mate...hope the weather is kind:ok:

I wonder how many people there have moved at 1450 mph ????? Not quite that fast, but I can at least claim to having flown at speeds approaching that figure courtesy of a well known, but sadly retired, airliner:)

[Noyade]

Greetings Ken. :)

May I ask what year it was built?

I wonder how many people there have moved at 1450 mph

I reckon my bowels moved that fast two weeks ago. Gastro. :(

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme

May I ask what year it was built? You may...1967.

I reckon my bowels moved that fast two weeks ago Too much information mate:)

[Noyade]

You may...1967.

Thanks mate. Looking now. Could be a while. Don't feel compelled to wait up.

The sun is just coming up, presently 4.8 deg and looking cloudy.

[skytrain10]

The sun is just coming up, presently 4.8 deg and looking cloudy That's cold! It's nearly dark here but the temp is still over 17 deg! Humid and cloudy thought with more rain on the way.