Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[Lightning Mate]

G'day mate. :D

Jérôme et François

Those were the the names of M. Donnet and M. Denhaut.

Good find and over to you.

[Noyade]

Ah..thanks. :)

Another flying boat....

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1610/img735.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/i/img735.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like the engine was designed to keep the pilot cool !!!!

[Noyade]

From what I've just read, it was a disaster and they eventually buried the engine in the fuselage which then drove twin props on the wings via chains.

[Lightning Mate]

A Pemberton Billing ?

Possibly the PB-1 Supermarine.

[Noyade]

That's the one. :ok:

YHC.

Pemberton-Billing P.B.1 Supermarine (http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft28832.htm)

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Graeme.

Now, would you like an old biplane or a very old glider? :)

[Noyade]

If that's my choice, not the glider.

[Lightning Mate]

OK then.

A jet maybe ?

[Noyade]

Love a jet! :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Coming up............

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/icy.jpg

[Noyade]

No idea what it is, but I like it. :)

Must be a project? Big hole at the front? > British?

[Lightning Mate]

Must be a project? Big hole at the front? > British?


Yes - yes (with intake bullet) - and yes. :ok:

[Noyade]

Bum looks big? Ramjet involved?

[Lightning Mate]

No.

No engine stated but looking at its' year, I'm sure it would have been an afterburning turbojet.

edit: just found more info' and that's exactly what it was.

[Noyade]

Found it, but I think the artist has it wrong? It should show a compound swept wing - of 60, 50 and 30 degrees?

The Supermarine Type 545?

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6889/supermarinetype553.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/supermarinetype553.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

You have found exactly the right picture, but it's incorrectly labelled.

The 545 was indeed compound sweep - wanna go up a few numbers ?

Wotcha doin'? Check the file properties of your image - it gives the correct designation. :ok:

[Noyade]

Okay...how about....?

Supermarine Type 553 - UK X-Plane Developers Wiki (http://ukx-dev.wikia.com/wiki/Supermarine_Type_553)

[Lightning Mate]

:D

Off you go.................:ok:

edit: do you guys have a four-day weekend ?

[Noyade]

Thanks mate. Another project in return then...

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/884/img738a.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/img738a.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Another Brit project mate.

[Noyade]

do you guys have a four-day weekend ?

Three. But we're now pushing for four.

[Lightning Mate]

We only got it by moving the May holiday to this month for the Jubilee.

Yours a Frog?

[Noyade]

Yours a Frog? Another Brit project mate. I think we crossed posts.

[Lightning Mate]

Hawker P1103 ?

[Noyade]

Hawker P1103

:ok:

Your control, again.

[Lightning Mate]

You said you didn't want a glider, so standby.....

Bipe or UAV ?

[Noyade]

Biplane please!

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry mate, I was taking a call from my brother, who is with Mother.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/sungreen.jpg

[Noyade]

Mate, if you want to talk more on the phone, please do so. Don't let me get in the way. This challenge business is not important and just a bit of fun. Wanna call it quits for today? I can look at your biplane later?

[Lightning Mate]

We'll carry on mate - it was just an update call. :ok:

[Noyade]

OK.

A German giant of WWI?

[Lightning Mate]

Yet another Brit.

[Noyade]

Two very large exhaust stacks?
The biplane tail has three castor wheels?

[Lightning Mate]

Two big exhaust stacks yes.

Three engines in it's original form.

Three skids under the lower tailplane elevator.

[Noyade]

Well done mate, Mr Grahame-White strikes again. :)

Grahame-White E.IV Ganymede (http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft25638.htm)

[Lightning Mate]

That will be the one. :ok:

I note the progress on the "challenge" thread. The Hiller was easy - I found it some time ago.

Back to you.

[Noyade]

(Not a Hiller mate. :))

Another biplane...

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/3271/img739.jpg (http://img802.imageshack.us/i/img739.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Ruskie with a long name.

[Noyade]

Power was supplied by a 80-110 hp Le Rhone engine.

[Noyade]

Heading to bed mate. Usual rules apply and you will find this photo with the extraordinary long name on the net. Cheers. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Aeroric Nauchno-Proizvodstvennoye Predpriyatiye OOO ? :\

[Noyade]

Proizvodstvennoye That looks pretty good! LOL. :)

Porokhovshchikov IV.

.. -IV / -VI (http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft25701.htm)

Yours again if you wish. Cheers.

[Lightning Mate]

ooohhhhh.......:)

A blue ghost.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/blooagain.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

G'day mate.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Graeme.jpg

[irishair2001]

Good Evening LM, I think it could be a Tellier Flying Boat ?

[Lightning Mate]

....and a very good evening to you irishair.

Unfortunately not a Tellier - wrong part of the world.

[Noyade]

Thanks for the Champagne mate. :ok:

Its 1530 hrs here and around 45 mins ago I drilled a 4mm hole through a hot water pipe. Thought I'd have a look at SC while the plumber repairs it.

Is this a French/American collaboration for the USCG?...

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4324/img740k.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/img740k.jpg/)

Julie is very unhappy with me, and I've got some serious cleaning up to do this afternoon/evening. :(

Best I make it open house if correct. Cheers.

[Lightning Mate]

Oh dear oh dear...........

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Cable20and20Pipe20Detector.jpg

Look on the bright side mate - you found the challenge. :ok:

Noyade has requested Open House. :uhoh:

[Ridge Runner]

Morning all!!!!

too busy today I'm afraid ! :(

[Lightning Mate]

Welcome back. :)

How's the new abode ?

[Ridge Runner]

Hi David!

Its full of boxes!!!!!!! :(

[Lightning Mate]

I know the feeling mate!

Wanna new challenge?

[Ridge Runner]

go on, then! Do you worst! :)

[Lightning Mate]

OK then....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/nightghost.jpg

My new "ghost" style.

[Ridge Runner]

It looks north european, David? I'd say scandihooligan?

[Lightning Mate]

Long way from there Martin.

[Ridge Runner]

A Curtiss???

[Lightning Mate]

You're forgiven for thinking so, but not a Curtiss. ;)

[Lightning Mate]

The challenge was an experimental US Navy machine.

It is very small (18 ft. wingspan) and there is a very good reason for this. Why would this be...?http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Ridge Runner]

Hello David .... Sorry, i got distracted. A machine intended for a submarine?

[Ridge Runner]

ah, how apt .... the Martin MS-1?

[Lightning Mate]

That's the one Martin. :ok:

Over to you - and good morning.

[Ridge Runner]

Here you go!http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune130612A.jpg

[skytrain10]

Afternoon all....is it French Martin?

[Ridge Runner]

Hello mate!!!! No, not French. RR (sorry, I've been in a meeting)

[Lightning Mate]

Welcome back Ken - holiday? :)

Martin, is yours American ?

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry David but ...... not a yank ... RR

[Ridge Runner]

I have to go in 5 mins ... I'm out shopping :( so usual rules apply .....

RR

[skytrain10]

See you're still there Martin....a European machine, or perhaps something more exotic:)

holiday? Yes David, an extended weekend - got back last night:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

I think you'll find Martin doesn't log out when he leaves.

You will have noticed that I have adopted a new "ghost" style of silhouettes. It works even with images which are originally mono. Just helps to vary things a little.

I reckon this thing might be from eastern Europe.......

[skytrain10]

have adopted a new "ghost" style of silhouettes. They are quite impressive....much work involved?

I was hoping he may just look in before leaving. I was going to look at central/eastern Europe although with Martin's past track record it could be from further afield - South America, Asia etc.

[Lightning Mate]

....much work involved?

Just one mouse click in Photoshop and then re-adjust colour balance.

Seemples.

[Ridge Runner]

Morning!!!

See you're still there Martin....a European machine, or perhaps something more exotichttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif


European, Ken.

I'm sorry boys but I couldn't get back to the thread last night. my laptop is set to log off when i shut down but sometimes it doesn't! Computer logic! :(

RR

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Martin.

Eastern European ?

[Ridge Runner]

No, David. Go south

[skytrain10]

Morning...Italian mate? Ambrosini?

[Ridge Runner]

Italian? ... yes, mate! Ambrosini ... no! :(

[skytrain10]

Not had much opportunity to give this my attention today. Nothing obvious springs to mind. I'm guessing a civilian or military trainer design that did not go in to production? Perhaps IMAM or possibly Agusta...a predecessor to the CP-110/111 range maybe?
Alfa engine?

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Ken!!!

One built
1934, I think
alfa engine
Not the manufacturers you suggest ... :)

RR

[skytrain10]

Ah ah, the Caproni Ca.166 I believe?

[Ridge Runner]

That's the one - I-ALGU!

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4116/4823797799_2f7b460663.jpg

You have control!!!!!!

[skytrain10]

Thanks Martin. Nice challenge mate.

Another rare machine:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/ea448286.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

You are welcome, mate!

that's rather odd bracing, isn't it?

RR

[Ridge Runner]

Is that wing forward-swept? It has the look of a sailplane about it, too? any link?

RR

[skytrain10]

Is that wing forward-swept? Nope, probably just the angle of the photo.
It has the look of a sailplane about it, too? Good reason for that - it's classified as a motorglider:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

ah, not a UL, then?

[skytrain10]

ah, not a UL, then? Correct, not a UL.

[VX275]

Did it start out life as a Slingsby T31?

[skytrain10]

Hi VX275
Did it start out life as a Slingsby T31? Nope, and no connection that I am aware of. This aircraft was however based on a mass produced glider that first flew in the 1930's, utilising the wings and tail assembly of that design.

[skytrain10]

All quiet so time for a clue....early 1960's design. As far as I can see just the one built.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken.

Not had much time lately - is yours based on a Grunau ?

[skytrain10]

Morning David:)
is yours based on a Grunau ? Not based on a Grunau, nor is it a German design. The glider it was based on was produced in considerable numbers - over 2,000 were built.

[Lightning Mate]

Based on the Antonov A1/A2 ?

[skytrain10]

Based on the Antonov A1/A2 ? Yes, in this case the A-2:ok:

[Noyade]

G'day mate. Did Antonov do the conversion from glider to motor-glider?

[skytrain10]

Hi Graeme, hope all is well? No, this was not done by Antonov. It was another company, not Russian, but from a former USSR state.

[Lightning Mate]

Might that be Ukraine ?

[skytrain10]

Might that be Ukraine ? Not Ukraine mate....further north.

[Lightning Mate]

Well, I've been through all 1960s manufacturers of Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia and drawn a blank.

Looks like it will have to be someone more clever than me to get this one.

[skytrain10]

Well, I've been through all 1960s manufacturers of Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia and drawn a blank. In that case you've missed it - look again at Lithuania. We've had previous challenges from this manufacturer.

[Ridge Runner]

the RK-5, Ken???

[skytrain10]

the RK-5, Ken??? On the right track Martin, but the RK-5 was an altogether more substantial looking machine. Different manufacturer but similar kind of numbering system:)

[Ridge Runner]

so, a Kalinkauskas machine?

[Lightning Mate]

A BRO design ?

[skytrain10]

so, a Kalinkauskas machine? No, note from Kalinkauskas, but the deisgners names does begin with K and end in S!

A BRO design ? Not a BRO David. Incidentally I was expecting you to get this:)

[Lightning Mate]

Incidentally I was expecting you to get thishttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

I wonder why................did I post one from the same designer?

[Ridge Runner]

the BK-1, perhaps???? by Balys Karvelis

[Lightning Mate]

the deisgners names does begin with K and end in S!

Do you mean the designer person or the company?

How's your head Martin? :ugh:

[skytrain10]

the BK-1, perhaps???? by Balys Karvelis Not that Martin.

I wonder why................did I post one from the same designer? No, but you guessed one correctly from this designer not that long ago:ok:

[skytrain10]

Do you mean the designer person or the company? The designer and the manufacturer are the same - although in one source the spelling of the name is slightly different, ending with an A instead of an S:)

[Ridge Runner]

Bruised!!!

I have this:

Lithuanian Glider (Sklandytuva) and Motor-Glider Production -- 1922-1940 [by year]

1922 ---- S-1 - 1922, designer V. Senbergas
1932 ---- [B. Oskinis begins glider designs, see separate entry below]
1932 ---- Unnamed, designed by P. Mainelis, 2 built (based on German glider)
1934 ---- Gandras, designed by Skurauskas & Mikevicius, 1 built (based on German glider)
1934-35 - Unnamed, designed by V. Salavejus primary training gliders, 2 built
1934-35 - Nida, designed by Miliunas & Kontrimas glider (based on German Grunau Baby)
1936 ---- P-1 Uodas glider, designed by Antanas Paknys
1936 ---- P-2, tandem 2-seat glider, designed by A. Paknys with A. Gysas, two built
-- Originally designated PAGY or PAGY-1 [some sources confuse P-2 with PAGY-2, below]
1937 ---- PAGY-2, single-seat training glider, designed by A. Paknys with A. Gysas, 1 built
-- 1938, fitted with 18-20 hp engine [sources vary as to conversion to or from motorglider]
1937 ---- P-3 Nerija (Spit) Neegzistuoja - Serveriai.lt (http://www.lizdas.lt/aviacija/lietuva/nerija.jpg)
1937 ---- Nykstukas, designed by A. Gysas
1937 ---- Zaibas, designed by A. Gysas
1937 ---- Birzietis competition sailplane, designed by P. Mainelis (based on (Gö-3 Minimoa)
1937 ---- BK-1 Vanagas (Hawk), competition glider, designed by Balys Karvelis, LV-Vanagas
1937 ---- Keva motorglider, 1 x 28hp Scott, designed by Z. Rimsa, built by G. Miliunas
1940 ---- BK-2, competition glider, designed by Balys Karvelis,

Gliders by Bronius Oskinis for ATM Dirbtuvese (Technical University Workshop, Kaunas)
-- ATM = Aukstesniojoje Technikos Mokykloje (built German RRG-23 Zoegling glider in 1932)

Designations are originally 'T-' for Technikas. Then, BRO (or BrO) for BRonius Oskinis

T-1 --- 1932, Technikas-1, improved RRG-23 Zögling (based on German drawings), 1 built
-- T-1 used to test/train Lithuanian military pilots at Kaunas
BRO-1 - 1935-36, re-named 'production' version of T-1, 4 built
T-2 --- 1934, Technikas-2, aerodynamically improved T-1/BRO-1 glider, 1 built for LAK
BRO-2 - 1936, re-named T-2 glider (constructed by A. Gyras), 1 built
BRO-3 - 1936, Pukas (Down) training glider, 1 built
-- 1937, G. Miliunas workshops build two more BRO-3 (named Aru and Giriunu)
BRO-4 - 1937, Ruta (Ruth) shoulder gull-wing acrobatic glider, LY-RUTA
BRO-5 - 1938, Ruta II acrobatic glider, re-winged BRO-4,
BRO-6 - 19??, Pukas III, trainer, not completed (despite plans for mass production)

Powered Aircraft by Bronius Oskinis for ATM Dirbtuvese

BRO-7 - 1938, 'easy' sport aircraft, 1 built, 1 left incomplete [same as BRO-8?]
BRO-8 - 19??, sport aircraft, built but not flown [perhaps second, unfinished BRO-7?]

[Post-war Glider Designs by Bronius Oskinis]

BRO-9 -- 1952, Ziogas (Grasshopper) pod-and-boom trainer, 3 prototypes, production 1954
BRO-10 - 1949, Pukas III, pylon-mounted wing sailplane, planned production cancelled
BRO-11 - 1954, Pionierius (Pioneers) glider, BRO-11M Zyle (Tit), elevon controls
BRO-12 - 1957, 'thermal' glider, semi-enclosed single-seat cockpit, serial production.
BRO-13 - 1961, V-tailed sailplane, largely complete but not flown VGC Lithuania: Negim (http://www.vgc.lt/page.php?170)
BRO-14 - 19??, [Project?]
BRO-15 - 19??, [Project?]
BRO-16 - 1973, Pempe, amphibious biplane light glider, produced as LAK-3
BRO-17 - 1974, BRO-17S Bitele, BRO-17V Antele, amphibious biplane gliders
BRO-18 - 1975, Boruze (Ladybird), ultralight, twin-boomed glider
BRO-19 - 19??, [Project?]
BRO-20 - 1970, Pukelis
CMO-21 - 1979, Vyturys
BRO-22 - 1981, Rutele, could be operated on floats
BRO-23 - 198?, BRO-23KR Garnys, training glider (with C. Kisono and K. Rinkevicius)

BROK-1M - motor glider/ultralight version of BRO-23 (with C. Kisono)
______________________________

Designs Built for the Nida Sklandymo Mokykloje (Nida Gliding School, formed 1933)

Bronius Oskinis with Gabrielius Miliunas [primarily for Nida school]

MOG -- 1936, primary training glider (also with A. Gysas), 2 for Nida Gliding School)
MO-1 - 1936, primary training glider, 3 built (1936-38, 2 for Nida Gliding School)
MO-2 - 193?, Perkunas (Thunderer) training glider, 3 built (1936-3?, 2 for Nida school)

Balys Karvelis for Nida Sklandymo Mokykloje

1938 - BK-1, competition sailplane
193? - BK-2, competition sailplane

[Post-war Glider Designs by Balys Karvelis]

1954 - BK-3 (enclosed cockpit), unbuilt project
1955 - BK-4 Kaunas, similar to BK-3 concept, 1 built
195? - BK-5, unbuilt project (wings exceeded Standard Class 15m span limits)
1960 - BK-6 Neringa, produced in Simferopol
1972 - BK-7 Lietuva, glassfibre construction, BK-7, BK-7A, BK-7V, BK-7S production versions
-- derivatives: LAK-9, LAK-9M, LAK-10 (prototype), and LAK-12 Lietuva

[Other post-war Lithuanian gliders produced by Sportine Aviacija: BRO-11 Zyle, LAK-11 Nida, LAK-14 Strazdas, LAK-15, LAK-16, LAK-17a, LAK-19, LAK-20, and Genesis 2]

I guess its there somewhere???

RR

[Lightning Mate]

but you guessed one correctly from this designer not that long agohttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Was that one of yours?

...and as for that big list Martin, I've been through it. :ugh:

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry chaps but I have to go! Unfortunately I won't have interweb at the new house yet and so I'll catch up with you on Monday!!!!!!!!! RR

[Lightning Mate]

Enjoy your weekend mate.

[skytrain10]

I guess its there somewhere??? Not on the list Martin. Have a good weekend mate and catch you next week no doubt:ok:

Was that one of yours?
Yep:)

[skytrain10]

More clues....
- powered by a Dnepr M-72 Motorcycle engine
- built in 1961
This manufacturer has produced a whole range of homebuilt/amateur build aircraft, the latest of which flew for the first time in 2009.

[skytrain10]

Closing down now. A photo for the night shift:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/0c3c124d.jpg

Usual rules apply.

[SincoTC]

Morning all :)

Just back from a hectic business trip and gonna be pretty busy for a while yet, but will try and get on-line where possible.

Nice clues Ken, It seems to be the Vladas Kensgaila. VK-4 "Žuvėdra" (Aka Kensgailos Seagull)

Open house please if correct, as I've got to go and get some provisions in as the cupboard is bare (and a very short sleeve too :()!

[skytrain10]

Welcome back Trevor - hope it was a productive trip. Yes it is of course the Vladas Kensgaila (Kensgailos) VK-4 "Žuvėdra":ok: David may recall guessing the latest aircraft from Mr Kensgailos a few months ago, the VK-9:)

SincoTC has declared Open House

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken,

It was at rather short notice, but a good trip!

Just got back in from the shops, but have to out again soon, but as it seems quiet I'll take back my OH to keep things moving; not really a proper silhouette, but all I have at the moment!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf240.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

David may recall guessing the latest aircraft from Mr Kensgailos a few months
ago, the VK-9http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Yes I do now, but far too late. :\

Nice to see you back TC. :):)

[Noyade]

It's the Fokker C.10 with a Pegasus engine.

Having lots of PC problems - must be open house if correct.

Cheers.

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme :)

It's the Fokker C.10 with a Pegasus engine

Sure is mate :D (Aka as the C.X)

Fokker C.X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_C.X)

Sorry to hear about your PC problems, I know the feeling well.

Noyade has requested an Open house :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning/evening all. :)

Not had much time available until now, and I have no internet/computer problems.

Are you dried out yet Graeme (and is Mrs. Noyade talking to you again?).

A straightforward one for a change........

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/greensunday.jpg

[evansb]

Mitsubishi B2M ?

[Lightning Mate]

Nice to see you mate. :)

However, not Japanese.

[Noyade]

Harrow David, how are ya? :)

Are you dried out yet GraemeAll good at home thanks. Washing machine and laundry tub installed and pipe repaired. Unfortunately I can't fix my PC - internet pages are loading at glacial speed. Thought it may be a virus/bug thingy and did a system recovery back to factory settings, but once reconnected to the net, the speed of a snail continues.

Anyway, I think yours is the Handley Page HP.31 Harrow II...?

Handley Page H.P.31 Harrow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handley_Page_H.P.31_Harrow)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5688/img003aq.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/img003aq.jpg/)

Sorry, must be OPEN HOUSE till I sort it out and I'm, heading to work shortly. Cheers. :ok:

(Getting excited about the Olympics? Or not your cup of tea?)

[Lightning Mate]

G'day mate.

(Getting excited about the Olympics? Or not your cup of tea?)

It certainly isn't, especially considering the cost!

Glad to hear the house is sorted, but why are you still having electronic problems?

Good call on the Harrow. :ok:

Graeme has called Open House.

[skytrain10]

Hope everyone has had a nice weekend?

As it's Open House, a quick one to keep things moving:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/ad40a2ba.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Morning!!!

Dart engines, Ken???

[skytrain10]

Morning Martin...yes, Darts:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

NAMC YS-11 ?

[skytrain10]

NAMC YS-11 ? Not the YS-11 David.

[Lightning Mate]

Between lectures. :uhoh:

Ken, is/was this a dedicated freighter ?

[skytrain10]

Ken, is/was this a dedicated freighter ? It was for passenger's although I suspect remaining examples probably have been converted to freighters.

[Lightning Mate]

I asked that because yours has an unusually large rear door.

[skytrain10]

Good point David. There were cargo/combi option's but they were not developed at the time. At the time of the aircraft's development the few that were delivered were all passenger, but as I mentioned above, most were converted to freighters.

[Noyade]

Morning gents.

Grumman Gulfstream Ken?

[skytrain10]

Grumman Gulfstream Evening Graeme - yes, but this was a specific adaption, of which only 5 were built. It's yours anyway, but care to name it? :)

[Noyade]

G'day Ken.

Dunno mate. But whatever it is, it'll have to be an Open House from me. I'm doing a Trevor - "early start tomorrow".....:)

Wiki ain't much help....looking further...

[skytrain10]

I was looking for the G-159C Gulfstream, aka Gulfstream IC Commuter. A stretch of the basic G1 developed in 1979, the project proved unsuccesful. It is mentioned in Wiki:)

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/53de8fb9.jpg

Noyade has declared Open House.

[Noyade]

I see...Dunno why, but I was looking for a windowless freighter version and I did find a source talking about a 1.57 m X 2.08 m cargo door, but no mention of a specific designation.

Cheers. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Interesting how a stretch of a well known aircraft can put people off :) Good to see at least 2 of them still earning their keep today.

[Lightning Mate]

...and what p####s me off is that I looked at the Gulfstream but the length of the ones I found didn't match yours.

I must look deeper next time. :\

[skytrain10]

but the length of the ones I found didn't match yours I guess in this case size matters:)
You got one to post? If not I'll get one ready.

[Lightning Mate]

I've got ten!

[skytrain10]

I've got ten! Just one will do:) Go for it:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Nothing difficult....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/mondayjob.jpg

[skytrain10]

A racer David?

[Lightning Mate]

Not a racer Ken.

[Ridge Runner]

a flying disc?

[Lightning Mate]

Almost Martin - more a blended wing.

[Ridge Runner]

French????

[Lightning Mate]

Surely ther's no way the French could have designed something that revolutionary in 1918.

Going home - back shortly.

[skytrain10]

Well, you haven't said it's not French!. The tail designs reminds me of something Nieuport produced - but sadly the rest of the aircraft doesn't match:(. Time for a closer look.

[SincoTC]

Evening Gents :),

First look of the day, playing catch-up for trip away, sorry for no-show yesterday but sodding Internet at home went down Sunday morning and don't know when it'll be back up :\:\ :ugh:

David, I think that's a Stout Batwing, but it'll have to be OH if it is 'coz of above problem, sorry.

[Lightning Mate]

I think that's a Stout Batwing

:D

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Batwing.jpg

Sadly, TC has declared Open House.

[SincoTC]

Oh well, no overnight takers and as suspected no home Internet yet. At work now so I'll take my OH back, I'm gonna be busy today and that may make monitoring difficult as I've got a couple of longish meetings, however I'll do my best, but and I'll turn my light off if I know I'll be unable to monitor for a while, so let "usual rules" apply if seconded :ok:

To quote LM, this should be another easy one, it's not on Mel's list in any of it various designations, a one-off special version of it is on the list, but that had obvious visual differences!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf241A.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Blimey mate - wot hours at work ? :\

[SincoTC]

wot hours at work

True, but it's worthwhile work and I enjoy it!!

First meeting now, back in a while :ok:

[skytrain10]

Morning all. Interesting one Trevor...there are not that many light aircraft around with parallel underwing struts. Off the top of my head I can only think of 4 or 5 makes. American....a Funk design?

[SincoTC]

Morning Ken,

More utility than light, USA yes Funk no.

Back to meeting now!

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken. :)

Looks like the dreaded Aerofiles search engine.:\ :mad:

[skytrain10]

The Bellanca 31 range looks very close - maybe the 31-42 Pacemaker?

[Lightning Mate]

Looking at the tailplane bracing, maybe the Senior Pacemaker - I've just found the exact photo.

Looks like a good call mate.

[skytrain10]

Must admit I couldn't find that photo David after searches for the 31-42...the source I was using just referred to Pacemaker, with the 31-40 and 31-42 as Pacemaker's. I see they are referred to in Aerofiles as Pacemaker Senior's. The JE-1 military variant also fits the bill.

[Lightning Mate]

I can't get into Photobucket - I think the site is down.

I've stored the image.

Can you try and see if you can get in ?

If you Google Bellanca Senior Pacemaker it's down on line 11.

[SincoTC]

Hi Guys,

My source has it as the The Bellanca "Senior Pacemaker" Transport Monoplane (420 h.p. Wright R-975E-3 engine).

So it looks like David got there first :D

I believe David also put up the one-off Special large-winged Packard-Bellanca Pacemaker last year.

Lightning Mate has control (or maybe not) see my new post on next page!!

[Lightning Mate]

I cannot accept that mate.

Ken did the work and took me to it, so with respect I think it should be his.

edit: in any case I cannot access Photobucket.

[SincoTC]

Ken did the work and took me to it, so with respect I think it should be his.

OK mate if that's what you wish. I must admit that there does seem to be a lot of variations on the names of these Pacemakers and he was first onto that

skytrain10 has control

[Lightning Mate]

Cheers TC. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks for your support David. Now I've done some digging the aircraft pictured appears to be the 31-42. The name Senior Pacemaker or Pacemaker Senior covers two different models - namely the 31-40 and 31-42.

Anyway, like you I can't get in to Photobucket to post.

[Lightning Mate]

Anyway, like you I can't get in to Photobucket to post.

That's screwed things for a while then.

Try opening an ImageShack account. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Image Shack is working...:)

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4190/2492k.jpg

[skytrain10]

I have a Picasa account - that never used to work on PP but I'll give it another go.

[Ridge Runner]

a Norseman, mate?

[Ridge Runner]

oops, I'm behind the times!!!

[Lightning Mate]

....catch up number 2............:E

Ken, if things aren't working, send your challenge via e-mail to my work.

It's a new e-address so I would PM it to you if you want that option.

[skytrain10]

Ok, sorry for the delay....here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/641c4355.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

ooo... I've seen this before! A Ruskie????

[skytrain10]

I've seen this before! A Ruskie???? Not Russian Martin.

[Lightning Mate]

Italian ?.....

[Noyade]

Italian mate?

Tebaldi-Zari...?

[skytrain10]

Italian ?..... It is David:ok:

Tebaldi-Zari...? That's the one Graeme:ok:

Noyade has control

[Noyade]

I'm not on my PC - Must be OH if correct Ken.

[skytrain10]

Correction, Graeme has declared Open House. Any takers?

[Lightning Mate]

I can, but limited monitoring for two hours.......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/greenday-1.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

bugger! :(

[skytrain10]

bugger! Was thinking much the same:(

[Lightning Mate]

Would you all like me to withdraw it then ?

[skytrain10]

Would you all like me to withdraw it then ? No, not at all mate.

So I'm assuming pre-WWI. French or maybe Italian?

[Lightning Mate]

or maybe Italian?

:ok:..............

[skytrain10]

Caproni Ca.20?

[Lightning Mate]

I knew it wouldn't take long. :ok:

Prolly my turn now for a "bugger"!

All yours mate.

[skytrain10]

Thanks David. Struggling with Photobucket again, but all seems ok now:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/f6879e70.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

A ULA or is it an Aeronca 7, Ken????

[skytrain10]

A ULA or is it an Aeronca 7, Ken???? Falls in to the homebuild category Martin. Despite similarities it's not an Aeronca.

[Lightning Mate]

Back in the office.

Is it single-seat or maybe two tandem ?

[skytrain10]

Is it single-seat or maybe two tandem ? Two in tandem:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Aeronca of some kind ?

[skytrain10]

Aeronca of some kind ? Keep up mate...see my response to RR earlier:)

[Ridge Runner]

Despite similarities it's not an Aeronca.

he, he, he ... :)

[Lightning Mate]

Say after me -"LM IS A DUMBO".

[Ridge Runner]

"LM IS A DUMBO"! ..... :)

[skytrain10]

Let's move this along...1980's design, still available today, but not through the original manufacturer. The only one on the UK register overflew our house yesterday:).

[Lightning Mate]

An Aviat ?

[skytrain10]

An Aviat ? Not from Aviat mate - but it is from North America.

[Cows getting bigger]

Light Miniature LM-3?

[skytrain10]

Light Miniature LM-3? Not one of those CGB

[Lightning Mate]

but it is from North America

Does that mean the USA or Canada ?

[skytrain10]

Does that mean the USA or Canada ? Aah, thought someone would spot that. From Canada but appears to now be sold through a US company! Despite having been around for nearly 30 years, not listed in Aerofiles.

[skytrain10]

Offline for a while now. Will look in later but in the mean time....usual rules.

[skytrain10]

Further clue..this was the first of a number models from this designer. First flew in 1983.
Closing down for the night now. Usual rules apply:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken.

It must be the Christavia Mk1 G-MRED.

[skytrain10]

Morning David It must be the Christavia Mk1 G-MRED. It is indeed the Christavia Mk1. Over 1000 sets of plans sold, although from what I can gather about 100 have actually been built or registered. Originally produced by Elmwood Aviation in Canada, it seems that Aircraft Spruce and Speciality now hold the design rights

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/38e91d53.jpg

LM has control:D:D

[Ridge Runner]

its still down! :(

[Lightning Mate]

Morning all, and thanks Ken.

Photobucket is now working, so please standby.

[Lightning Mate]

Wednesday ball rolling......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/bluewed.jpg

[skytrain10]

Morning David. American? WWI era?

[Lightning Mate]

Not American Ken.

Pre-WW1.

[Ridge Runner]

she looks scandihooligan? Finnish?

[Lightning Mate]

Seems to be your favourite phrase, but neither.

[kms901]

Short 184?

[Lightning Mate]

Not that kms - check the fin.

I've not seen you here before, so welcome. :)

[Ridge Runner]

So, a Jerry? An Albatross?

[Ridge Runner]

Avro 501?????

[Lightning Mate]

That's a deal Martin. :ok:

Over to you.

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks David!

Here you go:

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune190612A.gif

[skytrain10]

A project Martin?

[Ridge Runner]

Nope! It was built and flew!

Correction - it was built but I haven't seen evidence that it flew, only taxiied!

[skytrain10]

Mmm, well the shape is right - would this be the Thorp T-17 that was developed in to the Wing Derringer?

[Ridge Runner]

Not that, Ken! :E

Edit: I see the resemblance though!

[skytrain10]

Oh well it was worth a try....there is something familiar about the shape and window layout. A 1960's design...?

[Ridge Runner]

I'll be honest and say that I don't know. It is certainly 20th century! :) Information about it seems very sparse!

RR

[skytrain10]

Ok.....let's try another tact...European design?

[Ridge Runner]

nope! sorry.

Edit:

Not American
Not European
Not African

[skytrain10]

That limit's it a little, so from Asia or perhaps Australia?

[Ridge Runner]

Not from there either, mate!!!!

Edit: let's say it is from before 1991!

RR

[Ridge Runner]

out for lunch in a moment so that's an hour or so for you to find it!! :) I'm certain you will now although I can only find one refernce to it on the internet!

[SincoTC]

Just looking in at coffee break so can't stop!

I take it that "not American" rules out from the entire continent, North and South?

Might as well rule it out, but I don't think New Zealand has been mentioned :)

Oh well, back to work :(

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Trevor,

Not america at all, mate. Not a kiwi either!

There was a clue earlier - four posts ago (#9489)!

RR

[Ridge Runner]

I was going to post another clue but as I'm all alone I won't!!! :(

[Lightning Mate]

You're not alone - I've just got home after being in a building with no internet for much of the day.

[Ridge Runner]

ah ... there is life!!!!

[Lightning Mate]

....although I can only find one refernce to it on the internet!

Does that include the line drawing?

Not European

Does that preclude Scandinavia and Russia in your book?

[Ridge Runner]

yes and ..... I don't regard Scandinavia or Russia as Europe :)

[Lightning Mate]

So it's one of them? (bearing in mind that "Scandinavia" comprises more than one country).........

[Ridge Runner]

Yes - see my clue above at #9489

[Ridge Runner]

Unfortunately I have to go in 20 minutes - still not internet at the new place! :(

Usual rules apply!

RR