Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[one11]

First apologies for leaving the thread unattended for longer then planned. Graeme has it. A Keystone Pathfinder which according to my source was the American Legion rebuilt after its crash for West Indian Aerial Express and operated by them 1927/1928 before being absorbed into Pan American. Noyade has control.

[Noyade]

No apologies required Doug, it's a big planet and life is unpredictable. Thanks for the Pathfinder, although I wasn't sure as the cockpit and strut layout were a little different on my net image.

Here's one not on Mel's list...

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/6742/img356g.jpg (http://img542.imageshack.us/i/img356g.jpg/)

[one11]

Plenty of clues there. Another Czech , the HC-4 unfinished prototype in the excellent but crowded Prague-Kbely museum.

Open house at least until later today.

[Noyade]

Well done mate. :ok:

Open house.

[evansb]

Again, not a silhouette, but a "name the aeroplane" challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Untitled-1.jpg

[SincoTC]

I name that aeroplane the General Aircraft ST-18 Croydon ??

[evansb]

SincoTC is correct.:ok: Only one built and it crashed off a coral reef on the way to Australia. You have control.

[SincoTC]

Thank you Brian, a good challenge, like a monospar, but in need of a bit of support!

Here is the next challenge. also not quite a silhouette :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf262_zpsdb6823be.jpg

[ICT_SLB]

Thomas Morse Scout?

[SincoTC]

Sorry ICT_SLB, it's not the Thomas Morse Scout

[VX275]

That top wing has a Fokker look about it yet the undercarriage dosen't :confused:

[SincoTC]

Morning VX275

That top wing has a Fokker look about it :D

[Lightning Mate]

S2.

Daniel Brackx Collection

[SincoTC]

Morning LM,

You have mate, the Fokker S.II

The S.II was designed by Reinhold Platz as the second Fokker primary trainer, but unlike the earlier S.I monoplane the S.II was an unequal-span single-bay biplane with a fixed cross-axle landing gear. It had side-by-side seating for an instructor and pupil and was originally powered by a 82 kW (110 hp) Thulin rotary engine. The engine was later replaced with a Le Rhone-Oberursel engine.

The aircraft was ordered by the LVA (Dutch Army Aviation) who purchased 15.

One aircraft was modified to use a Curtiss OX-5 engine to elicit a response from the United States Army Air Service but they were not interested and the aircraft was returned to standard configuration.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/fokker_sii_zpsac8091fd.jpg

Lightning Mate has control :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

How about a silhouette for a change....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/silhouette_zpsce11884d.jpg

[ICT_SLB]

TEAM Minimax?

[Lightning Mate]

Good shot - the MiniMax 1100.

Your thread. :ok:

[ICT_SLB]

As I'm effectively on the night shift for the bulk of participants (Central Time Zone in the US), I have to reluctantly declare Open House.

[MReyn24050]

Here is an AviaQuiz type challenge:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Airquiz26.jpg

[SMOKEON]

Grumman A-6?

[MReyn24050]

That is the one SMOKEON
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/GrummannA-6intruder.jpg

The Gumman A-6 Intruder. You have control.

[SMOKEON]

TKS,MR50.
Open House

[SincoTC]

Good call SMOKEON and welcome to the thread :ok:

Nice one Mel, more interesting than the other side :)

Here's one for the Open House:

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf263_zpsc7c95195.jpg

[Karlark]

Hello Trevor,

That looks like a Curtiss twin engine P-40C. :)

+1 on the A6 challenge. Didn't think of looking at the other side of the Grumman!

[SincoTC]

Evening Karl,

You got it mate It is indeed the Curtiss twin engine P-40C :D

Twin P-40 : Probably the most unusual variant, it was a P-40C outfitted in 1942 with a pair of 1,300 hp (969 kW) Packard V-1650-1 Merlin engines mounted atop the wings, over the main landing gear.

One pulled from ex-service condemned units and modified into a twin mock-up for preliminary evaluation, [41-13456]

Karlark has control :ok:

[Karlark]

Good Morning & Thanks Trevor.

Here is the next challenge:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/33-14.jpg

[SincoTC]

Afternoon Karl :),

Interesting this one!! Been busy today, so not too much time to look, but had a quick look in Aerofiles on the grounds that it's a trainer with no luck!

The tail, particularly the one-piece elevator has a distinctly Arado look about it, as does the hint of an inverted gull-wing, the Ar.80 is close and a V3 was fitted with two open cockpits and was involved in testing flaps, but I can't see any mention of it being fitted with what appears to be a seven-cylinder radial.

In need of a clue I think :O

[Karlark]

Evening Trevor,

Not American or German, it is European, though. (Go South from Germany :))

Here is the front view:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/34-14.jpg

[SincoTC]

Thanks Karl,

Been out and only just got back, I've got an early start tomorrow, so I'll take a look then :ok:

[SincoTC]

Evening Karl (if you're up late), otherwise good morning :)

Early start arrived and feeling refreshed enough for a quick look before I have to go!

Good old Fright archive :D seems it's the Caproni Sauro-1 aka Caproni Tricap

fitted | aeroplane works | caproni aeroplane | 1933 | 0376 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1933/1933%20-%200376.html)

FA used to be my first port of call for a broader search, but I had to abandon it when I changed my browser to Chrome as a bug prevented it from displaying search results, but I just tried it again and the bug has been fixed ,yipee!!

Good Challenge mate! Nothing much on the English Wiki and it's NOT listed there on the "Inverted Gull-Wing list, but it's on the Italian version with some pictures :ugh: I thought that Graeme might have pounced while I slept as it's sure o be in one of his many books and he's pretty sharp on the Italians!

[Karlark]

Excellent sleuth skills Trevor :D. It is the "Caproni Sauro-1 aka Caproni Tricap".
It is a new one for me... always fun coming across new ones.

SincoTC's control :ok:

Edit; Here's a site with more pictures, click on them for higher resolution:
G.M.S. - Gruppo Modellistico Sestese (http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/Tricap.html)

[SincoTC]

Thanks Karl,

Like I said, that was a very good Challenge; more than this one will prove to be I fear!!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf264_zpsc5e457d5.jpg

[SincoTC]

No guesses yet, so time for a clue, the rotary engine is a 50 hp Gnôme!

[Lightning Mate]

The dreaded Breguets' !!!!!!

Hanuschke Eindecker Model 1912 “Populaire II”

[SincoTC]

'Artnoon LM,

The dreaded Breguets' !!!!!!

Hanuschke Eindecker Model 1912 “Populaire II”

It is indeed :D

Lightning Mate has control :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Tuesday_zps66496629.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Carley C12 with an Anzani engine I believe.

[SincoTC]

Good evening Mel,

That's a good call there! :D

I doubt you'll see LM back tonight now; so I'll second your answer on the following evidence if you wish to post another!

electric company | 1923 | 0725 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1923/1923%20-%200725.html?search=Carley)

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Trevor. Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Airquiz27.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Mel. :)

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9059/img364o.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/img364o.jpg/)

[MReyn24050]

Hi Graeme Good Morning to you. That is the one you have control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel.

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/9205/img365n.jpg (http://img803.imageshack.us/i/img365n.jpg/)

[Karlark]

Seems I've seen that tail before. :confused:

Douglas Dolphin?

[Noyade]

I've seen that tail before.

An episode of "Flipper" maybe?

Tis indeed the Dolphin Karl, your control mate. :ok:

[Karlark]

I remember that show. It was quite a tale.

Here's the next:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/44.jpg

[evansb]

Bernard SIMB AB 14 ?

[Karlark]

Correct that it is French but not Bernard. About the same timeframe.

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon Karl,

I found something very near in the Fright Archives for 1924, naming it as the Descamps-Brunet A.2, but by 1926 M.Brunet seems to have departed along with the slight differences in the Cowl/radiator area so I think that yours is probably just called the Descamps A.2 ?? :)

[evansb]

Caudron C.17 A2 ?

[Karlark]

Sorry for the late reply Trevor & Brian. Researching it more I see combinations of Caudron C-17, Descamps-Brunet 17 A2, DB-16 depending on the limited information on the internet.

The photograph posted was from the San Diego Air Museum archive and lists it as a Descamps A-2. The same website mentions it as the 17:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/4824414212_5993df3887_o.jpg

The Caudron C-17 photo in Aviafrance looks closer than the Fright Archive photo - different engines? Allegedly the Descamps was license build from Caudron. I am having trouble sorting it all out.

Credit goes to SincoTC and evansb. :ok::ok: Whoever wants to take control, speak up... edit; or post one up! :)

[SincoTC]

Good evening Karl & Brian,

I'm just getting up now for a five-thirty am start :sad: I must admit I didn't delve too deeply into this 'coz after finding the FA articles and noting the engine/cowl differences I goggled Decamps A.2 and found your picture was in the San Diego Museum's collection, so I was happy knowing that you seem to use that as a source quite often. I saw Brian's answer just as I was about to hit the hay and looking closer at the SD photo, found it appeared to have Ca 17 on the rudder and so began to wonder if there wasn't a can of worms lurking there!! :)

A good Challenge Karl and a good find too Brian, I'm happy either way; gonna be very busy at work today, but could monitor a challenge, so I'll look in again in a couple of hours at my first break and if Brian hasn't posted by then, I'll know you'll both be asleep until mid-afternoon here, so I'll put one up to keep the thread moving.

Catch you later :ok:

[evansb]

Thank you gents. Yes, it does say Ca 17 on the tail of Karlark's challenge.

Here is a silhouette challenge:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/358s5141_zps94fb3e4e.jpg

[zlin77]

Beech Duke with winglet mods.?

[evansb]

Yes, correct.:ok: You have control. (which means "Please post another challenge)

[zlin77]

I'll declare open house, as I don't have reference material available where I am today...over to the experts.

[SincoTC]

Hi zlin77 and welcome to the thread :ok:

Thank you for declaring an Open House due to your current circumstances; please come back and continue to play, better still if you can offer a challenge sometimes, but not essential so long as you indicate "open house if correct" when you think you've got it!

I'll take the Open House to keep things moving as I had one ready, I am busy at work, but will monitor as often as possible, but don't expect immediate response to questions/guesses :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf265_zps7ac61bf0.jpg

[Noyade]

Romanian mate?
Already on Mel's list?

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme,

Romanian mate?
Already on Mel's list?

Yes and No (well, it didn't come up on my search, but it was very late/early :))!!

[Noyade]

And morning to you Trevor.

I was thinking of this...?

IFIL-Reghin RG-6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFIL-Reghin_RG-6)

But I'm sure we've had it before? (Not that it really matters) Or maybe not - doesn't look exactly like yours...

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2194/liflreghinrg06.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/liflreghinrg06.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Well mate, you're very very close, just one out in both year and designation,

the RG-6 was '57 and this one was '58 and as you say, we have had the RG-6.

Incidentally, I have it down as CIL (Novitchi), who was in fact the designer and where I found the RG-8 on Mel's list, the RG-6 is under IFIL Reghin (twice), but not this one (fingers crossed) :)

[Lightning Mate]

'Artnoon TC.

I have a brand new programme which can remove your silhouetting work.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/thisone_zps7ccff578.jpg

[SincoTC]

'Artnoon LM,

I have a brand new programme which can remove your silhouetting work.

Wossit called then; "Finding the Original"?? :p

[Lightning Mate]

Yes - wanna copy?

[SincoTC]

Yes - wanna copy?

I think you're pulling my pooper, if not, then I'm interested :)!

I suppose such a program could work by removing Gimp's "silhouette layer", but I always obliterate all the original tone/colour and greyscale image data with another program before I add that layer in Gimp, so there wouldn't be much to see!

[SincoTC]

Regarding my Romanian challenge, LM hasn't actually named it, but has made the task easier and as it's well past midnight in Oz, I'm sure Graeme won't be back now to finish off what he started, so if there's any lurkers out there, just dot the I's and cross the T's and it's all yours :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

I think you're pulling my pooper

Sorry mate - couldn't resist it. :E

[Lightning Mate]

The man from the Murrumbidgee will return.....

[SincoTC]

Oh well, it seems there's no lurkers about, at least none willing to put my little Romanian out of its misery :{

It was the follow on to the RG-6, unsurprisingly called the Novitchi RG-7 Soim, manufactured by Complexul de industrializare a lemnului (CIL) and powered by a 105 hp Walter Minor 4 III

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/rg7-2_zpsc2663846.jpg

Been up too long now so Challenge withdrawn and it's Open House

[evansb]

Identify this aeroplane:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/7586100462_9eebee0afc_b1_zps2c76ddb9.jpg

[Karlark]

I think it is that Albessard 'Triavion' aircraft... ?

[evansb]

Karlark is correct. The French designed Albessard Tri-Avion. I've also seen it referred to it as a "tandem wing". Your turn.

[Karlark]

Thanks evansb. Here is the next challenge:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/43-1.jpg

[Noyade]

I had the usual suspects lined up Karl, but they all pleaded not guilty. I'm even doubting the country they were from.

I will patiently wait for your timely clue/s. :)

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon Karl,

This one seems to be a bit of a hybrid (maybe a prototype?), well at least I can't find any photos that match all of the variations from the norm and I wonder if it's an oddball or another license built variant you found while trying to sort out the Tricap the other day??

Basically, it looks like a Caproni Ca.101, but this one has three-blade props instead of the usual two, a very distinctive rudder servo-tab and different side windows.

I have found one head on photo with three-blade props, it's fitted with 240 hp Walter Castor engines, these are more powerful than the usual engines, so maybe needed the extra blade to absorb the power and possibly the rudder required a little help from the servo-tab to cope with asymmetric power. This tab is evident on the twin engine Ca.102, (that had more powerful engines with four-blade props, so this fits in with my theory :)). However, the only thing apart from the props that shows in this photo is that it has unspatted wheels, which doesn't match, and I'm beginning to wonder if your photo hasn't been retouched 'coz the rear fuselage looks a little too sleek, lacking that ugly hump of the usual 101's and I've not come across windows that match yours either.

Edit: G'day Graeme, You posted while I was typing and I'm glad to see you haven't found it in one of your books, maybe it isn't even Italian :confused:

[Karlark]

Afternoon Graeme and early morn' Trevor,

It is Italian, albeit a very obscure prototype from one of the most well known aircraft companies from that time.

The photograph is from Wikipedia. :)

[SincoTC]

Thanks Karl,

Two further questions before I hit the sack; it is a tri-motor and it's not by Caproni?

A good challenge to sleep on :ok:

[Karlark]

Sleep well Trevor.. it is a Caproni tri-engine... no avoiding the direct questions:)

[SincoTC]

Good evening Karl,

I've slept well thank you!

Hmm, like I suspected, you've been poking around in the Italian Wiki ;) I always used to imagined it was just an Italian version of the English Wiki, but it seems it has things unknown to the English version, like the Caproni Ca.120 :8!

Caproni Ca.120 - Wikipedia (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Ca.120)

Great challenge, but you've been rumbled now!! :p

Unfortunately, I'll be out a lot this weekend, so I have to ask for an Open House, sorry :)

[Karlark]

Caproni approximately ca.120 it is! :ok:

I'm always curious about those in-between model numbers, and in this case happened across it in the the Italian Wiki. :)

Open House per SincoTC

[Steamer Ned]

As a regular observer of the sadly declining goings-on in this neck of the woods, I thought it worth mentioning that it was almost exactly one year ago today that LM delivered the news of Heikki's passing. Blue skies.

Ned

[SincoTC]

Thank you very much Steamer Ned, I appreciate your comments very much, especially so as it has prompted you to "break your duck" post-wise :ok:

It is in fact exactly one year ago today, so RIP dear Heikki aka RegDep, we miss you greatly!!:sad:

I have been unable to post since the weekend due to a medical emergency involving a work colleague, this is still ongoing, so I won't be able to monitor the thread very well, but I simply cannot let t!his day pass with a hanging Open House and my apologies to Karlark for leaving him stuck like this.

I had hoped that someone would pick up the baton and post something, especially as it is now much easier with the silhouette only rule relaxed. I have seen quite a few past players on the active list when I have looked in to see what's going on, but why none want to contribute does leave me puzzled as the number of views is still very high!

Nuff sed, I must go again, but as triplanes are easy meat, let's hope this one starts things moving again :)


http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf266.jpg

[Karlark]

Yes, +1. I am a noob on SC but was a real noobie posting a few weeks before Heikki left us. Not really knowing him I appreciated his sense of humour and his encouragement to participate. r.i.p. Heikki.

Trevor, you clever dog. :) You picked one from my secret stash, well not so secret anymore :( :) , of Italian aircraft. I believe it is the: Caproni-Pensuti or Breda-Pensuti triplanino

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/38-13.jpg

Open house if correct.

[SincoTC]

Good evening Karl

Thanks for echoing my thoughts (and Steamer Ned's too)! :D

Ii is indeed the Caproni-Pensuti aka Breda-Pensuti triplanino and although it is on your secret" site, I did find it before that on Breguets, an old favourite of mine :E and it's also on a well used Russian site (see below), unlike your last Caproni, so I thought that there was a good chance that someone would find it even if you weren't about :)

Pensuti Triplane (http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft25718.htm)

I wonder where all those other players who were so active a year ago have gone and why we don't see them anymore?

Karlark had control :ok:

Edited to say as per Karl's request, it is Open House

[Karlark]

Here's a silhouette for the open house:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/40-8.jpg

[SincoTC]

Evening Karl.

Dunno if you're still up :)

Thanks for that :eek: Hmm, is that fin the usual shape? Is it a flying-boat? Are what appears to be two white-clad engineers in the foreground or is it smaller than first appears and they're working on it? If so, is it on some kind of launching gear? Another Italian?

Off to work soon and going to be tied up a lot this weekend, but will try and give it some attention, but don't expect too much from me!!

[Karlark]

Good Morning, Yes it is a flying boat, less some tail parts and wing. :)
Here is the rest of the photo:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/45-1.jpg

[SincoTC]

Morning Karl,

From your last clue, it looks like you were up in the small-hours too :)

Just having a short lunchtime break, so time for a quick look at it.

I'm wondering if it's a Martin M-130 Clipper??

The position and angle of the break in the fin seem to fit where the horizontal stab was, but why it retains the lower portion of the rudder unless it was blown off? The position of the wing pylon and forward fuselage cockpit/nose look a fairly close match too.

It seems to be draped in camouflage netting and I gather that two of Pan Am's Clippers were impressed into the US Navy, so maybe it's being recovered for repair after damage received in the attack on Pearl Harbor or possibly Philippine Clipper, which is reported to have survived strafing in the attack on Wake island?

[Karlark]

G-day Trevor,

It is not an M-130, but it is a Martin Clipper! :)

The single example was rejected by the intended user in preference to another aircraft and subsequently was sold to another country. The purchaser carried its own designation for the aircraft, in addition to the Martin designation.

[SincoTC]

Good morning again Karl,

Silly me :O! I should have stopped digging at lunch time when I began to doubt where I was heading from a quick goggle, but work beckoned!!

So looking again, it must be the 130's planned successor, the Martin M-156 aka SP-30 known variously as the "Russian Clipper", "Moscow Clipper", or "Soviet Clipper", rejected by Pan Am and bought by Aeroflot!

[Karlark]

That is the one! :ok: Martin M-156 Russian Clipper.

SincoTC's control.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Karl,

Back to work now, but I doubt I'll get back again before I get home in two or three hours, but seeing as there doesn't seem to be many about, I'll put another one up before I go.

As it's a nice day here for a change, we'll stay on the water!!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf267.jpg

[evansb]

Loire 210 ?

[Karlark]

Nice day here, too. Back inside from yard work for a look... looks French.

I suspect Loire 210?

Edit: Hi evansb.... looks like you got there first! :)

[SincoTC]

Yes Karl, just a few minutes too late hard luck, well done Brian :D

It is the Loire-Nieuport LN.210 seaplane fighter

Evansb has control :ok:

[evansb]

Thank you. Still on the water:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/7556080628_0c0b97acb5_b1.jpg

[SincoTC]

Tri-colour tail, so is it French, Italian, American or British??

[seacue]

I'd say USA, Chesapeake Bay or eastern North Carolina.

[evansb]

No. It is in south-central Canada.

[India Four Two]

Hi Bri,

Is it an Avro 504 with a Dyak engine?

[Lightning Mate]

Avro 552A Viper.

[India Four Two]

Like a snake, LM strikes with lightning speed! :)

[evansb]

Lightning Mate is correct. :ok: The Viper was the ideal seaplane trainer of its day. You have control.

[Lightning Mate]

An easy one for you.

Limited monitoring due to attention elsewhere, so please carry on as usual if two of you agree.

LM

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/carryon.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Lippisch Delta IV also built as the Fieseler F3 Wasp I believe.

[evansb]

I agree it is the Lippisch IV Delta.

[SincoTC]

I'll second your answer Mel,

On the grounds of this evidence :)

Delta IV - Fieseler F3 Wasp (http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Lippisch_Nurflugels/Delta_IV_-_Fieseler_F3_Wasp/delta_iv_-_fieseler_f3_wasp.html)

Edited to say I'll also agree with your answer the thread is yours :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri and Trevor.
Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Airquiz28.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Mel.

An Austrian (not Australian :)) Flamingo?

http://i45.tinypic.com/2rxv7sx.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Hi Graeme. Hope all is well. You have it the Simmering-Gruz-Pauker M222 Flamingo. I see I shall have to change my source i.e. Janes 59-60.
You have control.

[evansb]

"All-wooden". Interesting. I wonder what type of wood(s) used and from what forest(s).

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel. Already on your list, but I thought it looked an interesting photo...

http://i46.tinypic.com/55i82h.jpg

[Kieron Kirk]

Short SC1. Sydenham, Belfast.

Ciarain.

[Noyade]

It is indeed mate. :ok:

Your control.

http://i45.tinypic.com/vwpnro.jpg

[Kieron Kirk]

Thanks, OH anyone?

Ciarain.

[MReyn24050]

Here is an easy one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Airquiz29.jpg

[Noyade]

Hi Mel.

Quick look in - Fieseler Fi 97. Registration D-IVIF.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2nk6osg.jpg


Open House.

[evansb]

Not a silhouette, but a challenge nonetheless:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH121103.jpg

[SincoTC]

Is it Japanese?

[heshamh]

May be from Nakajima.

[heshamh]

Tachikawa Ki-92

[evansb]

heshamh is correct.:ok: Well done. Your turn.

[heshamh]

A project;

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz37/heshamh/1-7.jpg

[heshamh]

It was from USA

[heshamh]

Sorry I want to sleep,so it was Boeing Model 767-845B project.

[heshamh]

Here is anther project;

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz37/heshamh/1-8.jpg

[heshamh]

It was also from USA.

[heshamh]

It was Douglas D-566 attack aircraft.

[MReyn24050]

The list has been updated today up to and including 5 November 2012.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

One to keep the thread moving:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Airquiz30.jpg

[Noyade]

Evening Mel.

Arado Ar 76 - on skis?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Greame. You are up early. It is indeed an Arado Ar-76. You have control.:ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel.

This should be easy with the discussion around us...

http://i45.tinypic.com/2ch6sqr.jpg

[one11]

Handley Page Herald ??

[Noyade]

Tis the Herald Doug. :ok:

A very fast aircraft. Note the Victor chase plane in the background struggling to keep up...

http://i45.tinypic.com/27zvqkw.jpg

Your control.

[seacue]

I suggest that you look at the current Herald vs F27 thread in Aviation History and Nostalgia subforum:

http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/499651-hadley-page-herald-f27.html

Comments there indicate that the Herald was a rather slow dog compared with the F27. For example "the F27 was about 20 to 30 knots faster than the Herald for the same fuel flow". But "The Herald had better short field performance and higher cross wind limits and hence was very popular with Channel Island operators."

[Noyade]

Just joking mate. :)

[evansb]

Well, one11 where is your challenge?

[one11]

Well, one11 where is your challenge?

Incoming challenge delayed for operational reasons but now ready-to-go.

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune200912_zps77b86e39.jpg

[evansb]

Russian KOMTA 3TV triplane bomber.

[one11]

It is. Evansb has control.

[evansb]

Thank you. A small span on that triplane. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/CLICHE_CAPTION.jpg

[Karlark]

Nice one! Bombardier Dash 8?

[evansb]

Yes, it is a Bombardier Dash 8. Can you identify the specific model?

[Karlark]

The really long one... ?

Edit: Stretched out to the 400 series... don't know the exact model.

[ICT_SLB]

Dash 8-400* - we've still got the prototype (S/N 4001) stashed somewhere around here. And much thanks to Westjet for keeping a lot of Toronto engineers employed!

* AKA the aircraft Boeing said they'd never build powered by the engine Pratt & Whitney said they'd never build...

[evansb]

Yes, Karlark it is a Dash-8-400. It is a Q-400, identified by 6-blade airscrew, and strakes on the aft portion of the fuselage. It is a bit different to fly than the 100-300 series, plus it does provide an improved passenger experience a well, with leather seat upgrades, and a cabin noise cancelling system. Your turn.

[Karlark]

Thanks evansb. Here is the next almost silhouette, an oldie this time:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/34-17.jpg

[Noyade]

Poor thing.
A beached French Farman of some description? F168 maybe?

[Karlark]

:ok: My source lists it as the F-165, which appears to be pretty much the same as the F-168.

F.165 - Seaplane torpedo bomber with Gnome-Rhône 9A or 9Aa engines
F.166 - 230 hp (170 kW) Salmson 9 Ab engines
F.167 - Seaplane torpedo bomber with Gnome-Rhône 9Ab engines
F.168 - Seaplane torpedo bomber with Gnome-Rhône 9Ax engines; main production version
Your control, Graeme :).

[Noyade]

Thanks Karl. Did the aeroplane lovers eventually manage to push it back into the ocean? :)

This too had floats - when built...

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2977/img410na.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/img410na.jpg/)

[Karlark]

Dunno. Perhaps they were waiting for the tides to turn to come back for him. :)

Yours the one on top?

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/MM_Short_Mayo_Composite_scan.jpg

Open house if correct.

[Noyade]

Sorry for the delay Karl. It is indeed the one on top. :ok:

Your control.

[Karlark]

Thanks Graeme.

Open House.

[MReyn24050]

Open House, well here is one to fill the gap.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Airquiz32a.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Mel.

Is it the MiG 21?...

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3109/img414y.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/404/img414y.jpg/)

[MReyn24050]

It is indeed a second generation MiG-21 showing the circular external ground power socket. :ok: You have control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/636/img409j.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/img409j.jpg/)

[Noyade]

The challenge aircraft is on the other end of the line...

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1049/theendoftheline.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/theendoftheline.jpg/)

[MReyn24050]

Shorts 'C' Class Flying Boat being refuelled by a Handley Page Harrow out of shot

[Noyade]

Handley Page HarrowThat is/was the challenge mate. Well done Mel, your control....:ok:

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7591/sidecontact.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/sidecontact.jpg/)

In-flight refueling of the Empire Flying Boat - YouTube

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Graeme. Try this one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Airquiz33.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Lithuanian Dobi Fighter III I believe.

[MReyn24050]

That is the one :ok:. You have control David.

[Lightning Mate]

Apologies Mel, but I have to go out for the rest of the day and am unable to monitor.

Regrettably it will have to be OH. :\

[one11]

Another factory....

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune151112.jpg

[MReyn24050]

The only aircraft that comes to mind is perhaps the original Grumman Gulfstream mock-up? However the shape of the windows do not match the first Gulfstreams built.

[evansb]

Dassault M.D.320 Hirondelle ?

[one11]

EvansB has control.....
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune151112f.jpg

[evansb]

Thank you. Here is the next silhouette:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/COLD_WARRIOR.png

[Noyade]

Hmmm.....

Boeing B-47.....I think....?

[evansb]

Yes, the sleek Boeing B-47 Stratojet.:ok: Your turn.

[Noyade]

Thanks mate....but you're not going soft on us now, are you? :)

Moving on, I didn't see this on Mel's list...

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4544/img429b.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/img429b.jpg/)

[one11]

Czech L-200 Morava

[Noyade]

Well they're going very quick this morning. :)

Yes mate the Aero L-200A Morava - your control.

[one11]

Thanks Graeme - I had some stuff ready to go but Photobucket seem to have done an upgrade and I am getting no response so OH, at least temporarily.

[one11]

Sorted ! Looks like the new Photobucket does not support my browser, so had to switch.
Another from the tip-tank generation...

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune161112.jpg

[Noyade]

Hi Doug.

There is a white section at the bottom of the image - is that the fuselage?

Lockheed?

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7523/prune161112.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/prune161112.jpg/)

[one11]

is that the fuselage?

It is.

Lockheed?

It isn't

[ICT_SLB]

One from the other side of our apron? Learjet 35 aka C-21A
If so, I'm off to sleep so OH.

[one11]

Not a Learjet

[one11]

An indicator of scale may help....
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune161112sc.jpg

[zlin77]

Piper Cheyenne PA-31T?

[one11]

Not a Cheyenne.

All the suggestions so far have been civilian but on this one only the military version had tip-tanks.

[zlin77]

Bandeirante EMB-110?

[one11]

Not a Bandeirante. This was the final version of a design which carried three different names

[Noyade]

I've given up on the USA.
French maybe?
I saw some nice tip-tanks on the Breguet Sahara, but looking at the perspective, that guy would be 12 ft tall - or maybe he's standing on the outer engine?

[one11]

I saw some nice tip-tanks on the Breguet Sahara, but looking at the perspective, that guy would be 12 ft tall - or maybe he's standing on the outer engine?

How right you are. The Breguet 765 Sahara derivative of the 763 Provence and 761 "Deux Ponts". Over to you Graeme.

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune161112f.jpg

[Noyade]

Thank you Doug. Interesting piece of cropping mate. Of course you do realise I will return the favour - looked at a lot of tip-tanks lately. :)

But for the moment, I have strict instructions to clean the house - meeting No.1 son's new girlfriend this afternoon.

Open house - (for the time being)

[Noyade]

I have strict instructions to clean the house - meeting No.1 son's new girlfriend this afternoon.Ah what the heck - she's probably a nut-case like all the others!

Open house withdrawn. And not on Mel's list....

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3880/theyalllookthesame.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/87/theyalllookthesame.jpg/)

[Noyade]

It's an Italian wing-tip tank.

[evansb]

Piaggio P.166 ?

[Noyade]

Well done Brian - You're a legend mate! :ok:


http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3278/img441b.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/img441b.jpg/)

[evansb]

Thanks! Here is the next silhouette challenge:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH121119.jpg

[carson1934]

Short S17 Kent?
carson1934

[evansb]

carson1934 is correct.:ok: The land version was the S.17L. You have control.

[carson1934]

Gentlemen
since the draconian silhouette rule was recently relaxed I beg permission to download following enigma:
carson1934
http://http://i49.tinypic.com/2zxxieu.jpg
I can see that the image didn't go thru I'll try again
http://http://i49.tinypic.com/2zxxieu.jpg
Let's hope for the best...

Well it doesn't work, maybe my image hosting device isn't compatible with the pprune forum. Any suggestion? (I mormally use "tiny pic" which works beautifully with all forums I participate in).
However, in the interim, in order not to block the forum please carry on

[Noyade]

maybe my image hosting device isn't compatible with the pprune forum. Any suggestion? (I mormally use "tiny pic" which works beautifully with all forums I participate in).Not sure why carson. I used "tinypic" to upload this one...

http://i46.tinypic.com/epjg2b.jpg

[Karlark]

Hello Graeme,

Confusing markings, sesquiplane....
Nieuport-Delage NiD-42?

[Noyade]

Nieuport-Delage NiD-42?

Close enough mate - the Ni-D 52 of the Nationalist forces. Your control. :ok:

[Karlark]

Thanks for the generosity, Graeme :ok:

Here's the next:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/34-18.jpg

[Noyade]

Ominous looking weather - British?

[Karlark]

East of Britain..

[carson1934]

Looks like a Cukurs C1....
carson1934

[Karlark]

The Cukurs C-1 is correct :)

carson1934 has control :ok:

[carson1934]

Thanks.
I'll try again to download the following:
http://http://i50.tinypic.com/2efn5m1.jpg
carson1934

Nothing doing...tiny pic doesn't work on Pprune forum and I haven't got the whole day to try...:confused:
Please carry on! (equivalent to OH)

[MReyn24050]

Open House? Here is an easy one to go on with:-

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Airquiz34-2.jpg

[carson1934]

Should be Potez 633B2 in service with hellenic air force
carson1934

[MReyn24050]

You have it carson1934, the Potez 633. You have control.

[carson1934]

OK I'll try again to upload this time with imageshack....
carson1934
http://http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/copia3dipiuttostograiny.jpg/][IMG]http://img651.imageshack
second try
http://http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/528/copia4dipiuttostograiny.jpg/
third (and last) try (if still invalid feel free to carry on)
http://http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5563/copia4dipiuttostograiny.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Carson1934's challenge:-
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1338/copia3dipiuttostograiny.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Rogozarski Brucos.

OH & nite nite.

[MReyn24050]

The "Google images" search website is certainly taking all the fun and interest out of these threads.

[carson1934]

Yes sir.
It is most definitely the Rogozarski "Brucos"....your turn
Carson1934

[evansb]

Here is the next "sort of silhouette" challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH121124.jpg

[carson1934]

A vague likeness to a Fizir "Vega"......
carson1934

[MReyn24050]

Looks like something from France to me.

[Lightning Mate]

The "Google images" search website is certainly taking all the fun and interest
out of these threads.

I agree with you Mel.

However, if they are made into silhouettes it doesn't work.

Brians' latest French job is an easy find, but I'll leave it for others. :)

[evansb]

Yes, it is from France. I couldn't get the "gif" image side-view drawing to download on photobucket.

[Lightning Mate]

Will a full 3-view do then?......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wot.jpg

[carson1934]

Thanks for the clue gentlemen
it is a Caudron PV200
carson1934

[evansb]

carson 1934 is correct. The PV-200 was an advanced amphibian design for the time.

Your turn.

[carson1934]

Thanks gentlemen!
However I think it should be OH till I sort out my uploading problems....
carson1934

[Karlark]

Here's an ag plane for the open house:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/32-9.jpg

[Noyade]

Hi Karl.

He's heading back in the opposite direction and he looks a little different on the return run, but am I close? :)

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4306/img493i.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/img493i.jpg/)

[Karlark]

You are not close, you are spot on Graeme. :ok:

It is the Transland AG-2. Your control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Karl.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1146/img494m.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/211/img494m.jpg/)

[Noyade]

British...

[Karlark]

I started in Britain; I've nearly rounded the world now :ugh:... :)

[Noyade]

Sorry Karl, didn't see your post - chomping on breakfast. :)

Very famous British manufacturer, could have beaten the X-1 to the sound barrier...

[Noyade]

could have beaten the X-1 to the sound barrier...

Well, not the model above - obviously. :)

[Karlark]

Did I miss it looking through Miles or Boulton Paul aircraft?

No picture but one of the Miles M-18's was tricycle gear for a while...??

[Noyade]

Did I miss it looking through Miles

Yes you did mate. Go to the wiki site - see the list - 10th from the bottom. :)

[Karlark]

Ah, M.64 it appears :*. You should have let me chase my tail for a little longer, I was having fun. :)

Gotta run. O.H... I'll see if I can find anything for later tonight.

[Noyade]

M.64 Well done Karl. :) Adios mate!

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8060/1090456.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/1090456.jpg/)

Open House.

[evansb]

Identify the aeroplane:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH121130.png

[Noyade]

G'day Brian. :)

Looks like the LFG (Roland) C.II...?

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1309/img0116zky.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/img0116zky.jpg/)

[Karlark]

'evening Brian,

Is it an LFG Roland C.II "Walfisch"?

Edit: Graeme got me again by a minute :{
Well done :ok:

[Noyade]

Note the big fat knuckle above (no, not you Karl!). Still sore, but it's come a long way since September...:ouch:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9972/madickhead.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/madickhead.jpg/)

[Karlark]

Yikes!

I do have a couple knucklehead kids... they are nuts that didn't fall far from the tree! :)

[Noyade]

is that your hand? Bicycle accident?

Yes. :( Getting too old for the mountain bike mate.

[Noyade]

If we're both agreed on the Roland, would you like to post something? I'm sure Brian wouldn't mind.

[Noyade]

But if not Karl, and in the event it is the Roland - Open House.


I do have a couple knucklehead kids... they are nuts that didn't fall far from the tree! :)Same here mate. Knucklehead tree out the back with three nuts in the house...:)

[Karlark]

Here's something to look at until we hear back from evansb. I took the picture myself at a local airshow this Summer:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/DSC02386-L.jpg

[evansb]

G'day Noyade!, its still dark, cool and Nov.30th here... Yes, it is indeed the L.F.G Roland C.II Walfisch (Whale). As you say OPEN HOUSE.

[Noyade]

I took the picture myself at a local airshow this Summer:Nice. B-17 going by the turret?

Got one for ya - or anyone who's interested. I'm not sure what aircraft this is, although I do know it's a Mark 8 nuke. However, it does provide proof that Zombies exist! - look at the extreme left...

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3544/img499.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/208/img499.jpg/)

...ahhhhoooooahhhhh....

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6797/img498un.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/img498un.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

There are not many aircraft with close-coupled twin weapons pylons on the inboard fuselage.

For what it's worth I think it's a Banshee.

[Karlark]

I think Banshee, too... with unidentified bigfoot-like creature lurking in the background.
Yes, belly shot of a B-17 further above.

Still Open House

[Noyade]

Yes, I believe you're both right. Me being a dummkopf, thought I was looking at the fuselage. No mate, that's a zombie...:)

Alright, try this, following on from Brian's WWI theme...

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1128/img500r.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/259/img500r.jpg/)

[Karlark]

Nieuport 12... maybe?

[Noyade]

You're just about there mate. A little higher with the designation, and you have it.