Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[Lightning Mate]

That rules out my ideas on the HAL IJT then!

[HappyPass]

Not the Sitara, in fact.
Mine has a significantly less powerful engine.

[skytrain10]

Morning, is it the HESA Dorna?

[HappyPass]

Morning,
The Dorna is listed on Wiki as a "proof of concept" for this one, which is then the...

[RegDep]

Errr… HP are you reading "HESA Dorna" article in Wiki?

Well, I read "OWJ Tazarv" and there it is, mentioned…..

[HappyPass]

This one?
HESA Dorna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Dorna)
No, I'm reading the other one ;-)

Maybe it's referring to a different Dorna (after all, it only means "lark")

[Lightning Mate]

I think he is.

Shotgun:

Azarakhsh
Saeqeh
Shafaq

No - bin the lot!!!

[HappyPass]

D) None of the above :)

Travel Towards The end of The alphabet ;)

[RegDep]

Well, I read "OWJ Tazarv" and there it is, mentioned….. The Dorna as a proof of concept.

[HappyPass]

That one, Reg! :D:D:D
Several nice photos available.
You have control. :ok:

[RegDep]

Several nice photos available.

Some call it (same pictures, different sites :=) Dorna, some Tazarv.

I'd grant this to skytrain …...

[Lightning Mate]

Hear hear. :D

[skytrain10]

Thanks Reg, we had had the Tazarv before, so I went for the Dorna!

Stand-by.

[skytrain10]

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/8059a77e.jpg

[skytrain10]

Off air for an hour

[Lightning Mate]

Utilicraft FD-1080-200 ?

[HappyPass]

Apologies.
For what I could gather from various sources, they were made by manufacturers with different names, at least apparently.
Guess that's what happens when there's little information owing to political/military reasons.
Re the repeat, I checked the list, but it takes a lot to load, so chances are that I checked it but it was only halfway through and didn't have enough time to load up to "O"...

[Lightning Mate]

No problem mate - we've all done it.

Incidentally, Mels' document loads for me in seconds.

[skytrain10]

Utilicraft FD-1080-200 ?
That's the one David:ok:.
LM has control

[Lightning Mate]

B....:mad:.....S

Must be something to do with my hangover!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I shall go back and delete the post, but to be fair I feel I should call OH.

Evening mate BTW.

[Lightning Mate]

In case I wasn't clear - OPEN HOUSE.

[Noyade]

Morning. :)

I feel I should call OH.Ok. Bought a new scanner/printer today for $36. Ink cartridges are $61. Morale is when you run out of ink just buy a new scanner/printer...


http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7393/img003fj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/143/img003fj.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

That's how printer manufacturers make money.

Are you aware that they only half fill the cartridges so that you have to buy new ones fairly quickly.

There are refill kits available for way less cost.

Is your challenge another turboprop?

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like some kind of surveillance or research job.

[Noyade]

Are you aware that they only half fill the cartridges so that you have to buy new ones fairly quickly.

Yep, but I don't print. Just scan. :)

Is your challenge another turboprop?

Yep.

[Noyade]

Looks like some kind of surveillance or research job.

"Passenger light transport"

[Lightning Mate]

I think that the fin and HF aerial rather dates it.

[Noyade]

Yep. First flight in 1960.

The drawing I "coloured" in is from around 1963...scanned. :ok:

[Noyade]

French. :)

[Noyade]

And since we appear to be alone....:)...

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3879/52957217866b9b2b6781z.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/52957217866b9b2b6781z.jpg/)

[HappyPass]

No, you aren't :p
Just finished my lunch.
'Evening Graeme!

[Noyade]

Morning HP. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Ah...it was military.

[Noyade]

Not in the beginning.

Posts: 990 The big grand coming up mate! :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

I'll get something ready for you mate. ;)

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme, 'artnoon LM and HP :)

Issa Max Holste MH-260 Super Broussard innit ?

[Noyade]

Max Holste MH-260 Super Broussard

That's him mate. Taken over by Nord-Aviation.

:ok:

G'day and your control Trevor!

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme,

Slightly earlier!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf154.jpg

[Noyade]

Edwards Rhomboidal....?

[HappyPass]

Edwards Rhomboidal Biplan.
Thanks Cowin! :ok:
Edit: Flustercluck! :\

[Lightning Mate]

Blood hell mate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wot you on tonight?

I bet that has pissed someone off.

[Noyade]

Wot you on tonight?

Tea!

Thanks Cowin!

Hugh Cowin?

[HappyPass]

I bet that has pissed someone off.
Naah... fair competition :ok:

Hugh Cowin?
Yep, I have that in pdf... but I can see you know him too...:O

[SincoTC]

Hard luck HP, the Wizard of Oz strikes back!!

It is the Edwards Rhomboidal Biplane

Noyade has control :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Naah... fair competition

Actually HP I meant TC.

Shot down in less than one minute.

[Noyade]

Don't worry, I'll be gone soon.

Thanks Trevor. One more from my $36 purchase....

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8571/img004ru.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/img004ru.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Not pissed off either mate :{!

I should have known better, but the only other one I had ready was of an interesting machine, but only suitable image (for easy silhouetting) that I can find is of a model and the U/C differs substantially from the real thing!

[Lightning Mate]

e-mail it me then mate - I'll silhouette if for ya.

[HappyPass]

Mmmh...
A racer?
Edit:

Built to race.
Nevermind :ok:

[Noyade]

http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/boohoo.gif! Quit your whining and start finding...:)

Built to race. Commissioned by an oil magnate. Famous manufacturer. The magnate eventually sold it to the U.S Navy for one dollar.

[Lightning Mate]

Australian?

[Noyade]

e-mail it me then mate

No! e-mail it to me Trevor......I have the latest imaging technology! :ok:

[Noyade]

No David. American.

[Noyade]

I have to go.

Re-arrange these words to make an answer...

Cox
Cactus
Curtiss
Kitten

[Lightning Mate]

I'll go for Kitten

[Lightning Mate]

Preceded of course by Curtiss.

You b:mad:d - a tripe!

Curtiss-Cox Cactus Kitten 2

[Noyade]

Curtiss-Cox Cactus Kitten.

I'm done. Your control David!

Cheers.:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

I'm off to look at a car, so it will have to be Open House.

See you all later.

[SincoTC]

Bugger me!!! Away from the keyboard for five minutes, Challenge is solved and all the green lights are out :ooh: !

Thanks for the offers LM and Graeme, but the real answer is that I'll have to get some decent image editing software. £10K's worth of solid modelling CAD software, but NBG for bitmaps!!

Good luck with the car hunting David :)

[HappyPass]

Ok, then.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1048/scchallenge01.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/scchallenge01.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Interesting one HP,

Project or built and flown?

Twin engines, underwing intakes like F-111?

Have to go soon too, will try and get back later

Catchya later if I can.

[HappyPass]

Tech demonstrator.
Evalued as obsolete.
Cancelled. ;)

[RegDep]

DASA company launched the project TDEFS (Technology Demonstrator for Enhancement and Future Systems). Once again it was faceted stealthy demonstrator, but a much universal then Lampyridae, optimized for the european battlefield. The second important change was the using of the two engines. The basic concept was tested on a serie of the small models in high speed wind tunnel called FTTU (Fliegender Technologie - Trager Unbemannet). But in this time the faceted technology was evaluated against curves as obsolete and the program was cancelled.

[HappyPass]

Yep, that's the one!
Back to you Reg...:ok:

[RegDep]

Thanks HP!

A tidbit

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-08-06um113127.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Afternoon Reg et al.

Back from looking at car - going to buy it.

There is no way in this world that you will believe what it is.

[Lightning Mate]

Looks British.

Something like the Vickers Victoria or Valencia.

[skytrain10]

Looks like there's a nosewheel...is it the Vickers Vimy Commercial?

[RegDep]

It is Vickers Vimy Commercial as skytrain says!

Over to you :ok:.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Reg.

Here's the next challenge:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/5b56b2d4.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

With a single vertical fin, surely that can't be a jet in front of it.

Therefore is it a piston job?

[skytrain10]

With a single vertical fin, surely that can't be a jet in front of it.But it is...a jet that is!

So what car did you get?

Edit to say going offline for a while. Will check in later this evening.

[RegDep]

What I could make of the picture is that we might be seeing one of the two dorsal air inlets and the engine (one) would be down in the fuselage.

If there would be two in some kind of pods, we could explain away the single vertical fin, but could we then explain the low horisontal stabiliser?

See you guys in the morning. Nite!

[skytrain10]

Evening all.

we might be seeing one of the two dorsal air inlets
There is just the one inlet mounted above the fuselage. Single jet engine.

First clue...this is a Project from a well known designer.

[Noyade]

Evening Ken! :) Are you home now?

well known designer.

American? Grumman or maybe Gulfstream.

[Noyade]

And last questions, for now :)
Tandem seating?
Jet exhaust at the extreme end of the tail?

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme. Yep, home for a few days at least :)
American? Grumman or maybe Gulfstream Not American...a European design.
Tandem seating? No....side-by-side seating
Jet exhaust at the extreme end of the tail? No, the engine itself is immediately behind the intake....the exhaust appears to be directed either side of the vertical tail surface (I've reached that conclusion from the picture and 3-view).

Closing down in a few mins mate, but hopefully you've now got something to think about on your Sunday morning! :)

[Noyade]

hopefully you've now got something to think about on your Sunday morning! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif:ok:

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/558/img006ug.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/img006ug.jpg/)

[evansb]

WOW! What you drew looks a lot like the Grumman Peregrine 600:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/07261751.jpg

[RegDep]

Graeme, the combined re-incarnation of Da Vinci-Rubens-Chagal :ok::

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-08-07um092007-1.png


Stelio Frati F.1000

[skytrain10]

Morning all / Evening Graeme

Graeme...I'm seriously impressed by your drawing,,,,so so close :ok: And not dissimilar to the Peregrine as spotted by Bri.

But Reg has it of course. Its the Frati F1000 from Italy. :ok:

Well done Reg and you have control

[RegDep]

Thanks skytrain! For a while I was desperate…..

Now, while we are at it

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/05P-1.jpg

[skytrain10]

Mmm, twin jet, 2 seater? A project Reg?

[Lightning Mate]

Morning all. :)

I wonder where you have been Reg!

[Lightning Mate]

Can't find a pic yet, but a description of something called the Silver Arrow Small Aeroplane matches the layout.

[RegDep]

Twin-twin. A project around an engine.

I've been around, Mate.

Not the Silver Arrow Small Aeroplane (although I have not seen picture either, would that be from Elbit?)

[skytrain10]

The Luc Van Bavel project, based around the DGEN-380 turbofan?

[Lightning Mate]

twin-twin....twin-twin....

Never heard that phrase before.

[RegDep]

Luc Van Bavel project, based around the DGEN-380 turbofan

The Price Induction (!) DGEN-380 non-pressurized version

Well, too generous a clue, I made :suspect:

Yes, it is :ok:

Back to you!


Mate twin-engined, twin-seater. Neither had I :8. Edit: Although that was wrong. It appears to be a four-seater :O.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Reg
Well, too generous a clue, I made For what it's worth I hadn't seen your clue until I posted.

Not a twin jet project:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/04c7e349.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/hiflyercopy.jpg


Edit: Although that was wrong. It appears to be a four-seater http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/embarass.gif

[Lightning Mate]

The back end of the challenge is so ugly it must be French...............:uhoh:

[skytrain10]

it must be French Morning mate, sorry, not French.

[Lightning Mate]

My head hurts - and this ain't helping!!!!

[Noyade]

Morning!

The Turbay T-3A from Argentina...?

[Lightning Mate]

Evening, you...you :mad:

[Noyade]

Evening, you...you http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/censored.gifWell that's just lovely....:)

If it is the Argentine one, it'll be open house, so get ready...

[Lightning Mate]

My new car has a 700cc engine and does 70mpg. What is it?

Why an OH mate? It's not late in NSW.

[Noyade]

What is it?Googling now...

In the meantime, compare...

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2370/img007uw.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/714/img007uw.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

I'll buy it. Wonder why the engine cowling tops are different.

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme....spot on mate, well done:ok: It is the Turbay T-3A from Argentina.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/31b6fecc.jpg

Noyade has declared Open House

[Lightning Mate]

Despite my headache, I have checked this one against the list.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/prezzie.jpg

[Noyade]

My new car has a 700cc engine and does 70mpg. What is it?http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/8129/img008zz.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/847/img008zz.jpg/)

[RegDep]

My new car has a 700cc engine and does 70mpg. What is it?

A Smart Guy, eh?

[Lightning Mate]

Yep - it's really cool.

Air conditioned as well, and the whole roof is tinted glass.

[RegDep]

Easy. You are a Daimler addict, aren't you?

[Noyade]

I have checked this one against the list.

A job for Aerofiles?

[Lightning Mate]

It is listed in Aerofiles.

[RegDep]

Rich Twin 1-X-A

[Lightning Mate]

As soon as I said Aerofiles I knew it wouldn't be long.

All yours mate. :ok:

[RegDep]

Thanks Mate

Still was on my own search mode for it, and never went to Aerofiles…

Next

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/208copy.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Graemes' light is off, but I just know he's still lurking.

[Lightning Mate]

That engine cowling is quite distinctive. Was the engine based on a car?

[RegDep]

No, it was an engine for aircraft.

[Lightning Mate]

So was this thing designed to be fast?

[RegDep]

Yes, it was…...

[Lightning Mate]

A racing aircraft then?

[RegDep]

Sport and/or racing. I'll accept more than one ID.

[Lightning Mate]

Is the engine an upright Cirrus, or something bigger?

[RegDep]

Yes, the engine was an upright Cirrus in the original aircraft which would be a correct ID. There was one modification with something racier (300 hp), but there is no certainty (as far as I am aware) which one version was pictured.

[Lightning Mate]

I presume it was an American Cirrus then, and not the low powered British one.

If it was, then I also assume your challenge was American.

[RegDep]

Yes, the challenge is American.

[skytrain10]

Is it the Emsco B-4?

[RegDep]

Yes skytrain, it is Emsco B-4 with 85hp Cirrus, but it can also be Rocheville A with the Deeble Double-Action 300hp engine - a modification of Emsco B-4.

Over to you :ok:

[skytrain10]

Cheers Reg....

Here we go.......
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/715f8993.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Biplan Le Danton

[Lightning Mate]

Here's my new hot pusuit ship....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/LMscar.jpg

[RegDep]

No wonder it has a high mpg. Somebody cut the engine off :}.

[skytrain10]

Biplan Le DantonGot it one LM...well done:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/18474a53.jpg

Your control

So is the super pursuit vehicle an additional car...you still got it's big brother?

[Lightning Mate]

So is the super pursuit vehicle an additional car...you still got it's big brother?

Yes.

Memsab LM now has to drive a 90 mile return journey each day to work, so she will be using the 155mph serious pusuit ship.

Me? Only 7 miles to work, and out of speed limits for 500 yards.

Estimate 4000 miles per year and around 60 gallons of 95RON per year.

No wonder it has a high mpg. Somebody cut the engine off http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/badteeth.gif.

Bet it's faster than your invalid scooter mate............:E:E:E

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/rdwheels.gif

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/tp-1.jpg

[skytrain10]

Looks like an Electra with 5 bladed props! Any connection?

Edit, is it the proposed Lockheed P-7, which was to be the Orion replacement?

[Lightning Mate]

Not that I can see mate.

Check the fin profile.

[Lightning Mate]

Edit, is it the proposed Lockheed P-7, which was to be the Orion replacement?

Yes mate!

Back to you. :D

[skytrain10]

Thanks LM. Will have to be Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

Oh dear ...Oh dear....

[Lightning Mate]

Is my Wingman too slow?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/up.jpg

[RegDep]

Whoops…. You know, I don't even have a scooter. Me Missus has the car(s) and she parks my Reeboks next to the door, where they collect dust all day.

[Lightning Mate]

and she parks my Reeboks next to the door

Reeboks.....Reeboks....?

Are they not designed for having sex in bus shelters.....?????:E

[RegDep]

Dont know. Never went there to take a look.

[Lightning Mate]

bus shelters.....

That's what girls in Essex use for protection during sex..........:E:E:E

Don't go to Essex - ever.....

Essex girls have a higher sperm count than Essex men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RegDep]

Yours is Walter Extra - EA500, the "Flying Drop" (in fact "Der fliegende Tropfen", which sounds a bit less untoward… :E)

[Lightning Mate]

Fantastic. :D

Your thread again.

Off now - nacht mate.

[RegDep]

Thanks Mate!

Here's the next

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/zzcopy.jpg

Good night Mate!

[HappyPass]

'Evening Reg!
A roadable, or it's just plain ugly? :p

[RegDep]

Ach, there you are!

In a way, both, HP.

[HappyPass]

Maybe it's related to that "Ascender" made by the makers of the Gee-Bees?
Ascender (http://www.roadabletimes.com/roadables-modular_ascender.html)
I highly doubt that, though.
OH in the unlikely etc. etc.
Nite! :)

[RegDep]

HappyPass, mine is not the "Ascender" :), but the picture is, in fact, surprisingly close. The two guys in your picture would probably be the father and uncle of the maker of the challenge aircraft.

[SincoTC]

Guten Tag Reg :),

Just off to work, the obvious question, is it on Aerofiles?

Catchya later if possible!

[RegDep]

Good morning TC. It is but no picture there.

My heart aches for Brian :sad:.

I knew all the time what the challenge was (what an interesting aeroplane!) but had promised not to play if I crack a challenge too easily and without subject matter knowledge…….

[RegDep]

HP, I took a look at your interesting site and will add this: The challenge is not roadable by the definition apparently used in your site (it is not mentioned there). But there is a road aspect to its design :8.

Edit: Good morning RR and skytrain :).

[skytrain10]

Morning RD. This one is proving elusive. The usual Aerofiles searches do not seem to have got me anywhere. Plenty of "pusher's" without photo's but after research none seem to match the challenge :ugh: At least am at home today so not tied to coffee breaks!

[RegDep]

There are a couple of pictures elsewhere, and text enough to Giggle - both in Aerofiles and elsewhere…

Truly funny: I Giggled some of its features and got almost identical looking aircraft, only 30 years younger.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning all. :)

I agree with Ken.:uhoh:

Can't get Aerofiles search to work at all. Anyone know the secret?

[RegDep]

Morning Mate :)

Search Aerofiles via Giggle by typing the search string and then 'site:aerofiles.com'

We have had another (one of the total of two) from the same builder as a challenge before.

[skytrain10]

Although the undercarriage looks fixed is it retractable? Just wondering if this is an amphibian?

[RegDep]

Not amphibian - fixed. Only one built. But there was an idea to …..

[Lightning Mate]

But there was an idea to …..

...make it a floatplane...

...make it a carplane...

[RegDep]

…. to develop the idea to this direction……

…. amphibian….

[RegDep]

Anybody for a good string?

[Lightning Mate]

Anybody for a good string?

Yes...me...me...me...

[RegDep]

'direction amphibian site:aerofiles.com'

And then, just for the kicks of it, Giggle 'icon a5' and go to Images.

[Lightning Mate]

Loving WR-2?

[RegDep]

Aaa there you are Mate!

Loving-Wayne WR-2 :ok: The Missing Link between Ascender and ICON A5.

Over to you :D:D:D

[Lightning Mate]

Now that WAS elusive, and no way without your clues mate.

Please stand by for an equally elusive one....

[Lightning Mate]

This will be worthy of a round of applause....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/mon-1.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Oh bugger ... Mexican?

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Martin. :)

Nope.

[RegDep]

Now that WAS elusive, and no way without your clues mate.

I found it on the same page where I took the Emsco B-4. It was the next below it…..

[Lightning Mate]

B.:mad:.d. ;)

[RegDep]

Vulcan American Moth

[Lightning Mate]

Whatever that is - no.

[RegDep]

No, wrong tail.

Whatever that is

It was a long shot :8

It was the 60 HP Le blond 5 cylinder radial engine that interested me…..

[Lightning Mate]

I have no idea which engine the challenge has.

[RegDep]

So it is not Rearwin Junior, either?

[Lightning Mate]

Sadly not.

[skytrain10]

I have no idea which engine the challenge has
In view of that statement I am wondering if this is American? Certainly looks it, but Aerofiles normally provides some engine details. Or is this a machine that is offered with different engine options?

[Lightning Mate]

It is indeed American Ken, but it is, perhaps unusually, not in Aerofiles at all.

However, the one available photograph of it is on the web.

I was reluctant to post this one, but after Regs' last one I decided I would.

You know me - clues will be forthcoming soon. ;)

[skytrain10]

Early 1930's?

[Lightning Mate]

No date available, but you must be close.

One built, which is now archived in a certain American museum.

It's listed in the US aircraft registrations site.

The company was founded by three people and was based at San Leandro California.

[skytrain10]

Is it the Sierra BLW-2, from 1929?

The picture I have is identical, but it is in Aerofiles.

[Lightning Mate]

I did say it would be worthy of a round of applause.

:D:D:D:D

All yours. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

PS - missed it in Aerofiles. :\

Off teaching for a while.

[skytrain10]

Thanks David. Nice one - when you said it wasn't in Aerofiles I went for my books - and found the same photo in one of them!

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/7c6a6568.jpg

[RegDep]

As you are at home, why not play this a bit different. Honestly, I don't even know where to start with this one. So what would you recommend me to do first?

I mean, I can list attributes that are pretty obvious, but what then? I have nothing printed out here.

[skytrain10]

Let's move this one along. American, in Aerofiles. Picture is there too.

Edit...our post's crossed Reg...but looks like we both had the same idea!

[RegDep]

OK American, in Aerofiles. The tail fin looked a bit that way.

Engine: 9-cylinder radial, with sort of cowling. From 1923 - 1935…

Problem with Aerofiles is that the data is in pages containing quite many links to pictures, and once you have a hit, all pictures form that page come out as images in Giggle Image. Is there a work-around?

[skytrain10]

7 cyclinder radial...one aircraft built of this particular model (modified from an earlier model), appears in photo's both with and without the cowling.
1923-35 will cover it!

Problem with Aerofiles is that the data is in pages containing quite many links to pictures, and once you have a hit, all pictures form that page come out as images in Giggle Image. Is there a work-around? Not sure how you are using it - I just use the search facility in Aerofiles itself and is I bring up each page I used the "find'' to search the criteria I am looking for. I've never searched Aerofiles using Google.

[Lightning Mate]

Artnoon Ken.

I'll keep you company also.

[skytrain10]

Now there are two of you, another clue....just the one built, which was modified from a very similar looking variant. Pictures of both variants are in Aerofiles.

[RegDep]

Come along Mate.

Why cannot I find any 7-cyl engines? Am I supposed to know all their names?

I just use the search facility in Aerofiles itself and is I bring up each page I used the "find'' to search the criteria I am looking for. I've never searched Aerofiles using Google.

Sounds awkwardly slow. You are usually quicker.

[Lightning Mate]

A Salmson radial then?

[skytrain10]

Why cannot I find any 7-cyl engines? Am I supposed to know all their names? If I named the engine I would expect the aircraft to go within a couple of minutes.

You guys both got something ready to post if I do?

You are usually quicker. That's how I've always searched if its something I don't recognise or at least have an idea about. May not be the quickest but it works for me!

A Salmson radial then? Not a Salmson.

[Lightning Mate]

You did say it was a 9 cylinder did you not.

[RegDep]

If I named the engine I would expect the aircraft to go within a couple of minutes.

My question was technical and about Aerofiles. It seems that searching for a 7-cyl engine aircraft returns zilch. I wonder what is the reason.

I said 9, Ken said 7.

[skytrain10]

You did say it was a 9 cylinder did you not. No, RD thought it was 9 cyl...it's actually 7 cyl.

[skytrain10]

It seems that searching for a 7-cyl engine aircraft returns zilch.
Perhaps using Aerofiles for the search as I do works after all! If I do a search for a 7 cylinder radial I get loads of different engines :)

[Ridge Runner]

oh yes, like a Jacobs, por ejemplo!

[skytrain10]

Just ran my own test. If I name the engine, you should get it in under 60 seconds!

Not a Jacobs RR.....

Ready, steady.......

[skytrain10]

GO.........

Continental A-70

[Lightning Mate]

Cabinaire A-70 ?

[skytrain10]

Cabinaire A-70
Good enough LM....it's the Paramount Cabinaire A-70, from 1930.
As it was the 3rd line of data on the Aerofiles seach I figured it should not take long. I got Sue to do the search...she found it in 50s!

All yours mate

[Lightning Mate]

Nice one Ken. :ok:

Found it without the engine, but only by luck.

A good day so far......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/nuvver.jpg

[skytrain10]

In that case it was good hunting mate!

Another American offering?

[RegDep]

Sobering experience :*

[RegDep]

9-cyl radial, cantilever?

[Lightning Mate]

Not American this time - bye bye Aerofiles.

7 cylinder radial

almost cantilever

[Lightning Mate]

I got Sue to do the search

Better send her down here for a while then!

[skytrain10]

French LM?

[RegDep]

French? A bit like S.P.C.A. 80?

[Lightning Mate]

Not French, but don't go far away.

I feel a map game coming on again - Reg loves it!

[Lightning Mate]

Anything else I can do? ;)

[RegDep]

Give me the bearing from Aachen. Cannot be far.

[Lightning Mate]

173 degrees true.

[RegDep]

A Comte?

A-12

[Lightning Mate]

A Comte?

Yes.......:ok:

Gimme another number....

[RegDep]

AC-12 ……….

[Lightning Mate]

No - but you are incredibly close.

C'mon.......1943 retired 1945....

[Lightning Mate]

I'm going home.

I'll give it yer.

It's the AC 11V.

The thread is all yours. :ok:

[skytrain10]

I was about to say Comte AC-11....but that's from 1931. Comte didn't produce anything during the WWII??

Incidentally this is the AC-11V....the tail is definitely different!

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/660cf02a.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

AC-11? poss the AC-11V?

[Ridge Runner]

ah... too late... again!!!:(

[RegDep]

Skytrain, RR, why don't you post something: I was completely out between Comte CA-2 and CA-12, and am having some problems of multitasking right now.

[skytrain10]

You got something Martin...I've got nothing lined up at present so will take me half hour or so.

[Ridge Runner]

try this?

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune080811A.jpg

[skytrain10]

A comparitively modern photo....aircraft old as it looks, or something more modern?

[RegDep]

In JB, OFSO explains how GPS works and I think it deserves to be repeated here:

How does GPS calculate position ?

The Gnomic Phase Shift uses very small flatulant gnomes located inside the device. Two are required (and actually only one need be flatulant, although usually both are). The second gnome holds a stopwatch. When the first gnome breaks wind, the second gnome starts the watch and listens acutely. When the echo of the wee flatule is received, the second gnome stops the watch. They then argue for a few miliseconds over who will hold the stopwatch the next time, causing the loser's usual grin to turn into a frown, and this "face shift" as it's known, divided by the transit time is shown as your location on your device.

I think that's right ?

[Ridge Runner]

A comparitively modern photo....aircraft old as it looks, or something more modern?


I have to say that I thought it was modern, but no! :E

RR

[skytrain10]

American RR?

[Lightning Mate]

How does GPS calculate position ?

Binary Phase Shift Keying modulation for both navigation data, ephemeris information, and almanac data.

Best accuracy is obtained via LI and L2 precision codes, which enables accurate propagation (ionospheric and atmospheric) error prediction, because the refractive indices of both frequencies may be very accurately predicted and modelled.

This takes me four hours of lecturing!!!

Do you all not admire a person of such superior knowledge......

However comma the JB post is very amusing.

:E:E:E:E

Incidentally this is the AC-11V....the tail is definitely different!

Not with a bit of rudder applied!

[RegDep]

Do you all not admire a person of such superior knowledge......

Don't know what to say. If I say I do…… Would it agreeing that not, or what :=

Ach, better say I do admire :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Wanna diagram of BPSK transmission format?

It will be via e-mail so as not to bore the BOFs on thread......:E

Out to dinner again now, so night/nacht.

(oder morgen Noyade)

[RegDep]

Yes please Mate.

RR why not talk about the engine. Tell me about it.

[skytrain10]

Seems we have lost RR. So what do we know...old biplane photographed presumably at an airshow in comparitively recent times. 2 seater with a single windscreen at the front. Odd looking engine which almost looks too small for it...and whats that paddle like thing sticking out the stbd side? Had dinner now so time for some research.

[RegDep]

Paddle-like thing? A muffler?

[skytrain10]

Paddle-like thing? A muffler? That's what I thought, but when you zoom in on it.....I'm not so sure?
Looking at the style of the tents in the background I would say this was taken quite recently...within the last 10 years.

[RegDep]

How many cylinders? Two visible this side?

Must be a stupid question, but does one have two-stroke engines like this?

Another question like the above: Is this a three-blade propeller?

Sorry. Had some New Zealand wine. Excellent wine, in fact.

[skytrain10]

How many cylinders? Two visible this side? Not really sure - you could be right.
Gone through Aerofiles and nothing ties up.
That tail is quite distinctive but I cannot place it - but it does look familiar.

[Ridge Runner]

American RR?


Not a yank, Ken.

Sorry, I've been otherwise occupied.

Yes, taken at a show in the last few years but the aircraft was, apparently, from the 1920s!

Walter engine on this variant. Originally a radial.

RR

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry boys, heading to bed now! Catch you in the morning.

RR

[SincoTC]

Evening Guys,

My take on this is that it's an early machine, and judging by the shape of the nose it probably started life with a Radial engine that has fairly recently been replaced with a high revving modern (automobile or marine V-4??) with a reduction gear to suit the original or similar sized two-blade prop.

The cockpit looks very close to the front and I wonder if the new powerplant is a lot lighter than the original donk, so the pilot was moved forward to aid in keeping the CG where it needs to be!

Edit: RR has re-appeared while I was typing and filled in some of the gaps, thanks mate, sleep well :)

[Ridge Runner]

I just discovered that this machine is a flying replica of the original.

Night, night.

RR

Edit: Ken, that "paddle-thing" is the exhaust! :)

[RegDep]

With all that said, I bid you good night, too. Sleep well.

[SincoTC]

Morning all,

Martin, please clarify!

Walter engine on this variant. Originally a radial

The engine on your silhouette doesn't look like any Walter I've seen (but then there's no doubt I haven't seen them all :)), or do you mean that the original 1920's machine had a Walter radial, maybe the 60Hp five-cyl which appeared in the mid 20's before they had names, the Castor 7-cyl seems a little late!

Not had much luck searching so far :ugh: and off to work soon, good luck guys :ok:

P.S. see WC thread, it looks like Bri has upped sticks and retired like he said, a great pity!!:{

[RegDep]

Good morning TC :).

I am lost with this one :*

While we are waiting for RR, my take is that what he has said is this version (in general) of this aircraft had originally a Walter radial. But the aeroplane in the challenge picture is a replica (so the engine is something else). How about that?

[SincoTC]

Guten Tag Reg :)

Me too! :confused:! I have to go now , will try and join in at break times. Happy hunting!

[RegDep]

How about something like Aero A.34?

[Lightning Mate]

Morning all.


Walter engine on this variant. Originally a radial.

As TC said, this doesn't look like any Walter.

This is very confusing and I think RR needs to clarify this.

[HappyPass]

Morning!
What, TC confused!?
Then this on must be really hard...

I will be away for a few days, so I thought I stopped to say hi. :)

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry for any confusion!

The variant on which this replica is based was powered by a 85hp Walter. I can't find any refernce on line that says what the engine actually is on the challenge machine! It is current, flying as recently as 2009. European. Originally produced in the 1920s. Eight were produced. Two-seater with both sat in one open cockpit.

RR