Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[SincoTC]

Clue time:

French, two built, but a fire at the factory killed the project!

[skytrain10]

Evening Trevor....looks like the Boncourt Aunis Jacob (BAJ) Type IV fighter?

[SincoTC]

Good evening Ken,

That's because it is the Boncourt Aunis Jacob (BAJ) Type IV fighter of 1918 (Also known as B.A.J. IVC.2) Well done :D:D

skytrain10 has control :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Trevor. Good to see you back on SC.

Time for a seaplane:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/ebce2f20.jpg

[hesham]

Hi,

Rogozarski SIM-XII-H.

[skytrain10]

Rogozarski SIM-XII-H. Not a Rogozarski hesham.

[Ridge Runner]

Hi all! It looks a bit scandinavian, Ken? RR

[skytrain10]

It looks a bit scandinavian Morning Martin. There's a good reason for that. It is from a Scandanavian country:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

ah ha... a Finn!

[skytrain10]

ah ha... a Finn! You're homing in nicely

[Ridge Runner]

A Hansa or Hansa-Brandenburg?

[skytrain10]

A Hansa or Hansa-Brandenburg? No, aren't those German mate?

[Lightning Mate]

VL Sääski II possibly....

[skytrain10]

VL Sääski II
That's the one David:ok: Available both as a land and floatplane and first flown in 1928, it was the first Finnish designed mass produced aircraft.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/0ebfc80a.jpg

Lightning Mate has control

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you Ken. :)

Open House.

[skytrain10]

As no takers.......

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/3203744c-1.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Tipsy S.2?????

[skytrain10]

Not a Tipsy RR.

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry mate, I've got to go! RR

[Lightning Mate]

Gentlemen,

I have the saddest of all news. I have received the following personal e-mail.

It is possible that I am the only one who knew RegDep by his real name Heikki. He loved to call himself "your wingman"

Dear friend of my beloved partner who has unexpectedly passed away today. I was the one who had forwarded you the airplane picture some months ago. So I happened to have your email. I knew that he has enjoyed so much being connected with you, he had such a lot of respect for you and really saw you as his good friend. Wishing you all the best and please keep him in good memory. If you would like to know more, please just contact me. Anja-Christina Albert



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Anfang der weitergeleiteten E‑Mail:
Von: Anja-Christina Albert <[email protected] ([email protected])>
Datum: 17. Juli 2011 19:25:59 MESZ
An: [email protected] ([email protected])
Betreff: Fwd: Greetings from Gatow from your Wingman
RIP Heikki..................wingman.....................

Sorry - I am now in even less mood to play SC.

[Spit161]

In the few, short, months I have been a member here, and participating in this thread, RegDep has always been "the one to watch". Such a shame.

RIP, Friend.

[Lightning Mate]

I feel we should all put together a collective response message to Anja-Christina.

Ideas/comments etc. to me please via PM or private mail.

If not, I will do it, plus a suitable personal e-card

[skytrain10]

Very sad news indeed David. There is not a lot one can say at times like this. I for one could not confess to knowing him, other than from our exchanges on SC but he certainly brought his own unique sense of humour and never ending enthusiasm to the thread, and one can only assume he lived his life in a similar way. He will be missed by us all. Our thoughts must also go to his partner Anja-Christina.

Rest in peace Heikki, aka Reg, aka RegDep.

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you Ken.

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/missingman-Copy.jpg

Sometimes a picture tells a thousand words.....

[Karlark]

The few words I've heard from Reg have been kind, encouraging, and witty. Rest in peace RegDep.

[SincoTC]

Oh dear David, that is very sad news!!

I can only echo Ken's comments, he said it all!!

Only this afternoon, when I managed a brief look at the thread, I thought how Reg's input made such a difference and looked forward to his return from this latest break; alas now not to be, I/we really shall miss him greatly!

He was a friendly and knowledgeable participant in this and many other Prune Threads. (I think that you should consider posting your announcement in those too, but I expect you've already thought of that).

RIP Heikki, aka Reg, aka RegDep.

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you Trevor.

(I think that you should consider posting your announcement in those too, but I expect you've already thought of that).

Done mate............

[HappyPass]

He was the one who guided me in my first attempts here.

Blue skies, Reg...

[skytrain10]

Good morning all

After the sad loss of Heikki (RegDep) I have been thinking how best we can remember him and his contribution to SC over the years. In a recent PM exchange with him it was clear that he had not lost his enthusiasm for the thread. In light of that, and as a tribute to him, may I propose that we rename Silhouette Challenge II after him. Perhaps just "Heikki's Silhouette Challenge", or "RegDep's Silhouette Challenge"? Not very original but I think it would be a nice gesture that would have meaning to us all. I guess this would need the Moderator's approval, but I would hope in the circumstances they would comply.

Finally, I am sure that Heikki would not want SC to pass away with him, so I believe we should continue.

Thoughts gentlemen?

Ken

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning to you Ken.

I concur.

I shall contact the moderators within the next thirty minutes.

Meanwhile, there is still an unsolved challenge.

edit: PPRuNe Pop PM'd.

I shall also, today, send a note of condolence from all on AH&N, in German, to his widow.

[skwinty]

My sincere condolences.

Even though I have not participated in this thread for a while, RegDep will be sorely missed.

Into the wild blue yonder.

[skytrain10]

Meanwhile, there is still an unsolved challenge.You are quite right David, and as I said earlier, we should continue with the thread in memory of RegDep.

So everyone, if I may, here is the current challenge:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/3203744c-1.jpg

So far just the one offer, that being the Tipsy S2. It's not, but it was a good guess from RR:)

The odd cockpit appearance is simply due to the canopies being slid back.

[PPRuNe Pop]

Lightning Mate has asked me if RegDep can be remembered by renaming the thread. I am happy to do that. It will keep his memory alive for as long as the thread is running.

PPP

[skytrain10]

Thank you PPP, that is much appreciated.

[Lightning Mate]

Seconded PPP.

[Ridge Runner]

I just logged in and I'm stunned by the sad news. Like many on the thread I didn't know him personally but his personality coloured the strings of chat. He always entered in to the sprit of the thread, had a wit and healthy banter, always being "the one to beat"! Rest in peace, mate.

"RegDep's Silhouette Challenge" I'd agree with that. Very fitting.

RR

[Ridge Runner]

OK, does it have a Gipsy donk up front, Ken?

[MReyn24050]

I have just logged on to add the latest challenges to the list before re-issuing it at the end of the month and was shocked and saddened to learn of Heikki's demise. We corresponded a number of times in respect of the list. It must have been a terrible shock for his partner Anja-Christina. David, please add my condolences to any note of condolence you may send.
Mel

[skytrain10]

OK, does it have a Gipsy donk up front, Ken? Not a Gipsy, but a Renault.

[skwinty]

KZ II perhaps ?

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon gentlemen,

A very good idea regarding the thread name Ken and many thanks to David and PPP for putting it into practice, a fitting memorial.

Hi Skwinty, I hope you can stick around as we're going to miss Reg's regular input terribly!

Back to the current challenge Ken; I think it's the SABCA S.40 ??

Unfortunately I'm going to be in a meeting all afternoon, so it'll have to an Open House if correct, sorry!!

[skytrain10]

Not a KZ.II skwinty.

I think it's the SABCA S.40 ?? It is indeed the SABCA S.40 from Belgium. Well done Trevor:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/96c8da42.jpg

SincoTC has declared Open House

[Ridge Runner]

So, a Caudron, maybe?

edit: er, ignore that!! Server's been down and i missed posts! :(

[finfly1]

Just popping in from the Where on Earth thread to add my own feelings of sorrow and loss. It is still surprising to me how much personality can be found in the posts a person makes. I definitely shall miss him there.

[Ridge Runner]

Try this

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune251011A.jpg

[skytrain10]

Hi Martin...Japanese?

[hesham]

Hi,

Northrop A-17 or A-16.

[hesham]

Sorry,

may be it was Brewster SB2A Buccaneer.

[hesham]

If I am right,

please someone takes the Control.

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Ken and Hesham....

No, no and no... sorry.....

RR :E

[skytrain10]

Odd undercarriage...is that fixed Martin? American. mid 30's era?

[skwinty]

What about the wing, almost Lysanderish.

[Ridge Runner]

Boys:

1. Fixed u/c
2. American - no!
3. Lysanderish? - mm, yes, but very "ish"!

I will say, in fairness, that this is a prototype. The second prototype was different and had semi-retracting u/c. Prod aircraft retracted fully. The later machine (past the 1st prototype) were also different in many other ways! :)

RR

edit: I'm just ducking and awaiting low-level arrival over the "black sheds" by Trevor!! :)

[Ridge Runner]

I just thought I'd post this:

Kleine Brogel the howling sound of the J 79 engine !!! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cayblOY0h00&feature=related)

Crank up the volume at around 00:46! Wonderful!!!

Mmm... the good ol' J-79!!!!! And lots of stylish Italian military "outfits"!

RR

[Lightning Mate]

PMs for you all.

[Ridge Runner]

I'm counting down to home time, boys!!!!!!!

A clue: two prototypes built and limited numbers ordered by home nation (20) and neighbours (20). Not a successful machine, however!

RR

[skytrain10]

Italian mate?

[Ridge Runner]

Not Italian, Ken.

Must go now. I'll try to get on later.

RR

[one11]

As a now infrequent visitor I was intrigued by the name change and sad to hear of the reason.

I think its a Koolhoven FK.56

As you might gather from the above, nothing prepared so OH if correct.

[hesham]

Hi,

Brewster XA-32.

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks the one, One11!!!!

By 1937, the LVA was looking for a modern instruction plane for flyers, observers and gunners. Koolhoven received the list of demands end 1937. In February 1938 the prototype performed a first flight. In this prototype, a low wing with upward slant was used. It had a fixed undercarriage and a fully enclosed cockpit. The fuselage was abnormally long, to house the observer. The plane was engined by a Wright Whirlwind.

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/KoolhovenFK56.jpg

The second prototype differed considerably from this. It had a straight wing, placed much higher; and a shorter cockpit, situated further forward. The observer was not in the cockpit but sat in the open air. The undercarriage was now made retractable, in large bulbs below the fuselage.

The final model, of which the LVA ordered 20, had a further improved undercarriage - now fully retractable into the wing. The FK-56 again had technical problems. During the delivery flight of the first LVA plane, a wing broke off .... The wing design was of course revised. By May 1940 the LVA had received 10 of the 20 ordered. Not a single one of these has actually flown due to the outbreak of the war

In 1938, Koolhoven received an order from the Belgian Air Force (Aéronautique Militaire Belge) for 20 FK-56, destined for the École de Pilotage Avancé. In these, an Armstrong Siddeley Cheetah was used. However, serious problems arose with the delivery of the engines. Consequently the first seven FK-56 could only be delivered shortly before May 1940. They never flew operationally. The other 13 were never built, as the Koolhoven factory was bombed out by then.

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/fk56belgiedrie.jpg

You have control!!!!

[skytrain10]

Morning. Martin, I think it should be OH....see one11's last post.

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry mate... yes.. OPEN HOUSE

[Lightning Mate]

PM for RR.....

[SincoTC]

OK guys,

To keep things moving, I can only monitor periodically, but it's better than nuffink!!

LM, thanks for PM :ok:

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf162.jpg

[hesham]

Cheranovski BICh-21.

[SincoTC]

Correct hesham :D!!

It is the Cheranovski BICh-21

You have control :ok:

[hesham]

OK Sinco,

a big challenge;

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz37/heshamh/1-5.jpg

[hesham]

Any hints.

[hesham]

It was interceptor project.

[hesham]

Sorry I will go outside;

it was Hughes Mach 3 interceptor,someone takes the control.

[Lightning Mate]

Where can I find that on the web please.

[Ridge Runner]

Come on, chaps, someone post something! RR

[skytrain10]

Hi LM. Just do a search on the web....it's there...5th item down on a google search:ok:

Martin, unfortunately I am not in a position to post as will be offline for the next few hours.

[Ridge Runner]

me neither, as I'm off soon and can't monitor tonight! :( M

[Lightning Mate]

I have received a wonderful reply from Anja-Christina, in German. That's probably because I wrote to her in German. She is somewhat taken aback by the Prune responses, to which I directed her.

I'll translate it tomorrow and PM it to you.

Now - about a challenge.....

[skytrain10]

Thanks LM. With all that has happened it's really nice of her to reply so quickly.

Guy's, as no one has posted, I do have one available but won't be able to check for at least 3 hours. Shall I go for it or does anyone else have something ready?

[Ridge Runner]

Go for it!

[skytrain10]

Ok here we go. To start you off its European:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/e575b0ab.jpg

Going offline now - will check later.

[Ridge Runner]

ooo .. oo ..I know it.. but i have to go!! :(

[Out Of Trim]

Looks like an Eipper Quicksilver 10.

(sorry to hear about Heikki aka Reg-Dep he will be missed here) RIP

[skytrain10]

Looks like an Eipper Quicksilver 10. Not an Eipper Out of Trim - and welcome to the thread. Yes, sad news regarding Heikki.

[skwinty]

2000 BEAVER - Single Place Part 103 Ultralight ??


Thanks Lightning Mate for sending our condolences to Heikki's family.

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken,

I thought it might be a Whittaker MW.8 ??

[hesham]

Hi Lightning Mate,

you can find it here;

Hughes MACH 3 Interceptor (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12608.0)

[aviate1138]

A Titan Tornado microlight perhaps?

[skytrain10]

Apologies all, not had a chance to look in this morning until now.

Not the the Beaver or the Titan Tornado, BUT.....

I thought it might be a Whittaker MW.8 A good thought indeed Trevor...because it is the Whittaker MW.8 :ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/1b3ee821.jpg

SincoTC has control

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken,

Here's one to fathom, I'm back to the workshop now, but will montor as frequently as possible :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC-wtf163.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

That's just as bad as your bloody engine post!!

[Super Cecil]

That machine is from the wacky races, Darstardly somebody or otherr flew it.

[skytrain10]

There is something familiar about it...is it Russian?

[SincoTC]

Sorry Ken, it's not Russian!


That's just as bad as your bloody engine post!!

Sorry mate, I didn't mean to get you haacked off!!

Edit: not Romanian Martin!

[Ridge Runner]

I have a feeling its Romanian. Trevor?

[skytrain10]

Umm, not what I was thinking of then....American?

[SincoTC]

Not American either!

If we can believe the translation, it had a very young designer, but it pre-dates the "wacky races" cartoon series, so that's not where he got the idea! Generally speaking, I think the design is quite striking :)

[Ridge Runner]

I have a feeling its Romanian. Trevor?


????? mate?

Edit: Just saw you edit further up! Sorry!

[skytrain10]

I think the design is quite striking A clue there Trevor?:) Incidentally was it built, and if so did it fly?

[SincoTC]

Lunchtime!

Well, apart from telling you all where it doesn't come from, I've given a couple of firm clues and some info re the designer; I need you guys to polish this one off before I go tonight as I can't monitor it after about six, but I confidently expect it'll be long gone by then!!

Edit: Ken, generally speaking ;) and yes it did fly, over two hours on its first flight (poor bugger was probably too scared to land)!!

[Lightning Mate]

French?...

[Karlark]

I'll try to "polish" this one off; is it a Dzialowskich DKD-1? ;)

Edit: If so, it is open house - thanks.

[SincoTC]

Ah! I see someone has picked up on my clues :D

It is the Dzialowskich DKD-I (Roman numerals it seems)

Engine Haake (misspelt Reply to LM's comment about challenge aircraft), Year First Flight 1926 (generally speaking quite striking) and country as Karlark pointed out :)



Stanislav and Brothers Myachislav Dzialovskich after winning his glider "Bydgoszczanka" on the next contest in Gdynia, the summer of 1925 started to build its first aircraft. They were very inspired the relative success of the brothers Gabriel. Stanislav Dzialkovich, who was 9 years old aircraft designer spent repairing and maintaining aircraft, and five years as chief of the flight park in summer school Budgosche. The construction of the aircraft was made ??possible by using a local philanthropist John Krieger, who with his own money bought a German engine Haacke. It was under the engine and built the plane, received the name DKD-I . The fuselage was placed in the courtyard of the designers in Budgosche. A construction of the wings and final assembly - in flight school. The aircraft without an engine weighed just 158 kg, and its cost amounted to PLN 2400.
DKD-I aircraft was flight tested February 1, 1926 Sergeant Muslevskim. plane was considered quite successful, but the pilot shortage as called bad view from the cockpit. After the necessary modifications November 20, 1926 the aircraft took off designer himself. And the plane that was originally conceived as a double was used exclusively as a single. A May 25-27 Dzialovskich made its first flight in Poland coach a sport aircraft - from Budgoschi he flew to Warsaw in Torun (total flight time 2 hours 10 minutes). In Warsaw, the aircraft proved influential people, but during the return flight the plane was broken. On the return flight to Krakow it was renamed the DKD-III.

Karlark has requested an Open House :ok:

[Ridge Runner]

Here you go:

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune271011A.jpg

[skytrain10]

Sorry had to disappear for a few hours. Nice challenge Trevor....now I know where I had seen it before...in a book on my bookshelf...which is sadly some 250 miles away from me!

Afternoon Martin...a French machine? Incidentally, is that an open cockpit?

[Ridge Runner]

Hiya Ken!!!!

Yes, it was an open cockpit. Not French, though.

M

[Lightning Mate]

Ken,

Check the Challenge thread please. :ok:

[Ridge Runner]

With just 24 minutes to go, fair warning that I won't be on SC tonight. If I leave and someone gets it, and is confirmed as correct by two others, you can move on!

RR

Edit: Night, night.......

[Noyade]

Edit: Night, night.......

Day, Day.......

:)

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/4585/pprune271011a.jpg (http://img600.imageshack.us/i/pprune271011a.jpg/)
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1063/img126j.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/img126j.jpg/)

Open house.......if it is.

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme. I'd just started to look at the US when work called so had to leave it:(. Anyway just finished and was about to start hunting down RR's challenge...but you've saved me the effort!

Anyway I am sure you are correct:ok:. Need one other confirmation in order to move on. Anyone else around?

[SincoTC]

Evening Gents G'day Graeme,

Need one other confirmation in order to move on. Anyone else around?

Just got in and off to bed soon, but glad to lodge my agreement with Graeme's claim :D

Frustated Projects - Page 12 (http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aircraft-pictures/frustated-projects-28979-12.html) (About halfway down, Post #174 by Gekho)

So I'll declare Open House

[Noyade]

Thanks gents, for the confirmation.

So sorry to hear about Reg. We shared a lot of e-mails together trying to crack AviaQuiz. For a guy who only owned one book on aircraft, he did remarkably well in all challenges and outfoxed me many times. He had a dry wit and a black sense of humour. For the DC-3 tailwheel on AviaQuiz he spotted it straight away but kept me guessing. When I asked him why he did that he replied "I didn't want to spoil your fun mate!"

It was always about the fun. Every e-mail he sent ended with, "Are we still having fun?"
I've sent my condolences to his wife/partner (thanks for the address David) and one to Reg....just in case....;)

In honour of Reg and his only book, The Observer's Book of Aircraft 1961, here's one from it...

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/323/img123d.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/img123d.jpg/)

Yes Reg, I'm still having fun. :)

[evansb]

Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer ?

[Noyade]

That's the one Bri. Your control. :)

[evansb]

Thanks Noyade I'm having problems with my photo host. Here is the next one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Casa1.jpg

[Noyade]

CASA C-212 Aviocar?

[evansb]

Spot-on mate:ok:The CASA 212. Your turn.

[Noyade]

Thanks Bri. Easy one in return...

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9493/img121m.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/img121m.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Looks a bit like the Lockheed Neptune to me.

[Noyade]

It is the Neptune. Your control David.

[Ridge Runner]

Well done with the Gallaudet, Graeme!

[Lightning Mate]

Here is bang up to date project, drawn in a way which Heikki and I were working on....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wot-7.jpg

[skwinty]

Iranian stealth fighter, Shafagh, but the new release calls it the Azarakhsh. ?

[skwinty]

Or the Chinese J 20?

[Lightning Mate]

Neither of those mate.

[skytrain10]

Morning - EADS Barracuda UAV?

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry mate, but no. I believe I posted the Barracuda some time ago.

[skytrain10]

It was the only one I could think of that had that sort of "look"....but it is a UAV though?

[Lightning Mate]

It is indeed a UAV.

[trucky04]

The new Cninese UAV Dark Sword stealth

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry Trucky - no.

[skytrain10]

David..is this a new design....has it flown even?

[Lightning Mate]

It is a new design. Subject to funding, it was due to be demonstrated last year, but it seems not.

I am happy to supply a coloured artist impression of it "in the flesh".

VTOL

[Lightning Mate]

Ken, maybe this will help you.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/pic-1.jpg

[skytrain10]

I have found reference to a Lockheed VTOL UAV.....can't find a designation yet:ugh:

Edit...no not that.

A Northrop design?

[Lightning Mate]

I have found reference to a Lockheed VTOL UAV

You're hot.....(don't take that the wrong way...)

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon David,

That's the Lockheed Martin SkunkWorks UCAV Concept for the the medium-range, multi-role unmanned aircraft system (MRMUAS) Competition for the US Navy. ??

Sorry, but it'll have to be an Open House if it's correct, as I'm busy all afternoon :(

Edit: Thanks for PM, well done :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

That's the one TC. :D

VTOL Advanced Reconnaissance Insertion Organic Unmanned System VARIOUS

TC has requested Open House

[Ridge Runner]

VTOL Advanced Reconnaissance Insertion Organic Unmanned System

Should really be TWODDLE

Tactical Worldwide Operable Death Delivery for Lingo Egoists (TWODDLE)!

RR

[Ridge Runner]

I've got to go ... byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :)

[Noyade]

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9074/img134fx.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/img134fx.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

I-spy lamblin radiators!!

Farman F-120 ??

[Karlark]

Is it German?

[Noyade]

Sorry Karlark, it is as Trevor says, the Farman F.120 bomber. David posted the Farman F.120 Jabiru early last year which is quite a different aircraft. I forgot that Trevor solved that one and he has a good memory. :) Plus I think he has a secret list of Lamblin Radiator equipped aircraft!

Your control Trevor.

Farman F-120 - Bombardier lger - Un sicle d'aviation franaise (http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance1.php?ID=4674&ID_CONSTRUCTEUR=501&ANNEE=0&ID_MISSION=0&MOTCLEF=)

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8053/img136t.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/i/img136t.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Ken.
....from a magazine or a book?...don't recognise the format.Hi Ken. Thought I'd answer that here. From an annual magazine called AeroCrafter. I bought a few of them in the 90's, don't know if they're still around. Largely American content, but what interested me most was the projects or "In Development" section. I've always wanted to use them here but could never find them on the net. I guess the World moved on and they were forgotten? If you're interested I can e-mail some to you or post them here for others to try?...during quiet periods?

eg....

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6710/img137vh.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/img137vh.jpg/)

[Karlark]

Thanks Noyade regarding the F.120 information. :)

I somehow wanted to believe it was related to a DFW Floh or a Linke-Hoffman R1 type of aircraft.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme,

I haven't got a list, but the radiator makes a one word search much easier on Fright global archive (about the only one worth using with its lousy search engine!!) :)

Sorry mate, this one's not WWII

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC-wtf164.jpg

[Noyade]

Good morning Trevor.

I'm going for an Autogyro GMBH Calidus? Could be a quiet weekend on PPRuNe mate?

IF correct, make it open house. I'll pop back later and re-assess the situation. :)

Are you working today? God I hope not - between that dog and work do you get any leisure time?

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme,

That's good enough for me mate, it's the Auto-Gyro GmBh Calidus 09 :D

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/Ruby2A-1.jpg

Noyade has declared Open House

Edit: Morning Ken :) Weather OK here at the moment, so I may be in the garden!!

[skytrain10]

Could be a quiet weekend on PPRuNe mate? Evening Graeme, morning Trevor....I'm around off and on today....planned work in the garden cancelled due to weather!

Graeme, thanks for the info on AeroCrafter and your kind offer to forward on....certainly a new one on me. I'll see if I can find out someothing more about them through my brother in the US.

[skytrain10]

As its OH:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/9b702ec8.jpg

[Noyade]

That dog looks mean mate. :) Cujo?
I'm in the bedroom with the T-Hub watching telly.
Slow typing. Observer's close by....
Centre Est-Jodel DR.1050 Ambassadeur?

(Edit - Kicked No. 3 son off MY computer. Given up on watching telly.)

[skytrain10]

Centre Est-Jodel DR.1050 Ambassadeur? Kind of figured you would go that route:). Not a CEA/Jodel but follow that line of thought!

I was thinking the dog looked kind of cute!

[Noyade]

I was thinking the dog looked kind of cute!

That's how they get close...then tear your throat apart. Don't you watch the horror movies mate? :)

follow that line of thought!

Sooo...French?

[skytrain10]

That's how they get close...then tear your throat apart. I'm just a softy really! And the throat is still intact...mind you I have one less arm than most people:).
Only joking...

Sooo...French? Wrong line of thought mate:) But there is a Jodel connection.

[Noyade]

Wrong line of thought mate

I have a lot of wrong thoughts. European? Can I ask how old this is? Put the '61 back on the shelf and reach for.........?

[skytrain10]

Not European....I am pretty sure its not in any Observers book...late 60's kitplane. Based on.....

[Noyade]

Many built mate? Popular? Or a one-off obscurity found only deep in the bowels of a place like...Aerofiles?

[SincoTC]

I was thinking the dog looked kind of cute!

That's what she thinks (or do I mean knows)!! Not at all like Cujo Graeme, you watch too many horror movies mate; thanks for the PM :ok:

Sun is out here and the wind is blowing hard, hence lots of connection drop-outs, but it's drying the grass, so I may dissapear to give the lawn its last cut of the year :hmm: !

Edit: looking at the clues, is it a Falconar F11A

[Noyade]

Trevor.

Suspect you're an engineer?

Bought this today at an antique shop for $8. Fascinating! I now know the dimensions of the hole to dig to trap a tank! :ok:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6017/img138s.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/i/img138s.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Many built mate? Popular? Or a one-off obscurity found only deep in the bowels of a place like...Aerofiles? Quite a few around, and it is in Aerofiles, but no piccie. I don't think they are still available but I have seen reference to people still building them within the last few years.

[SincoTC]

Moved edit to keep it in correct time,

Looking at the clues, is it a Falconar F11A ??

Edit: Just seen weather forecast and off to do grass now, so Open House please if correct!

[Noyade]

Quite a few around, and it is in Aerofiles, but no piccie

Hmmm...odd? Looking now...

[Noyade]

Falconar F11ALooking suspended.....

[skytrain10]

Looking at the clues, is it a Falconar F11A ?? That'll do...I have it as the Falconar F11 (without the A), which was based on the Jodel D11 (that was the connection Graeme). So well done Trevor:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/9fba100f.jpg

SincoTC has declared Open House

[Noyade]

That guy is good. Solves challenges in between the gardening chores.

Okay Ken...another kitplane.....:)

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8132/img111n.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/img111n.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Not an inspiring silhouette and I had to draw the muffler/exhaust on as it was missing from the 3-view, so I'll toss a pic in as well mate...after all, it's the weekend. :)

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3214/img139f.jpg (http://img820.imageshack.us/i/img139f.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Mmm, thought it looked familair - until I saw the picture!

An Amercian design.....1960's?

[Noyade]

American.
Mid-nineties.

[Noyade]

and it is in Aerofiles, but no piccieThe company concerned is in the "B"' section but this model isn't even mentioned. Needless to say, no photo.

But it is illustrated on the net.

[Noyade]

Sunday is 20 minutes away. I'll let you do your gardens and check things in the morning. Of course, find it, and you know the drill. :ok:

[skytrain10]

The company concerned is in the "B"' section but this model isn't even mentioned Well that had me scouring around for a while. Having got nowhere I decided to take a look in an old Brassey's guide I have - and I found reference to the aircraft below. Surely it has to be?

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/8c815ca2.jpg

But, it is in Aerofiles...the Brutsche Freedom 180 from 1995.

There are earlier models, going back to the 80's, but they all bear the Freedom name.

Trevor....if you've done your lawn (must have a big garden if you haven't), what do you reckon?

[SincoTC]

Rain stopped play mate, but got the grass cut OK plus some other work :),

Just been looking at Graeme's challenge. I was going to say it's the Brutsche Freedom 28 (also shown as the 28/40), it is earlier and not mentioned in Aerofiles, which shows the Freedom 180 to be a four-seater, Graeme's looks like a single (as does your photo)!

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[skytrain10]

Hi Trevor...nice to see our rain has spread! It's finally stopped here.

Well the Freedom 180 is described as a 4 seater but the picture certainly looks very much like Graemes?

Found a photo of the Freedom 28 and it appears not to have the visible engine exhaust, and more importantly was around and flying in 1986 when it one a prize at Oshkosh! Graeme had said it was from the mid 90's.

[SincoTC]

My current thoughts are that the Freedom 28 was the earlier one at Oshkosh in '86 and that a version called the Freedom 40 appeared in the nineties! Your photo looks like a single and I suspect it's a 40 and wrongly labelled. :confused::)

The photo of a 28/40 in my first link above, does show the exhaust, so maybe that's not a 28 either, and the forty was another model :confused:

Edit: It seems the designer Neal Brutsche died in 2003 and on a homebuilt forum someone was replying to his brothers announcement and obit said he was looking for plans eight years earlier for the Freedom 40

[skytrain10]

From what I can see there is a Freedom 28, a 40, a 180 and a 180STOL. There is also something called a Sport Utility. But not too many pictures!

The 28 is too early...can't find a year for the 40....the 180 is the right vintage...

Think we had better wait for Graeme:)

Edit, you realise we could get a few of these courtesy of Graeme's AeroCrafters magazine!

[SincoTC]

Sorry Ken, very windy here now, the line dropped out and wouldn't re-connect :ugh:

My money's on the Freedom 40, but like you say, I can't find a year and Fright Archive shows nothing at all for Brutsche! Aviastar lists the models but again not the years!!

you realise we could get a few of these courtesy of Graeme's AeroCrafters magazine!

So long as Graeme sticks to subjects that are on the Web, like this one appears to be (although not a cut and dried conclusion) I'm easy with that thought :E :uhoh:

Several mentions of AeroCrafter in queries about Freedom 28 and 40, but all lead to dead ends :\

I've got to pop out now and then get a meal ready and I expect you're the same, not many others about so content to await Graeme's call :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening - just having a look.

Think we had better wait for Graemehttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

I do not think so.

[Lightning Mate]

Brutsche Freedom 180

As far as I am concerned, Ken has it and should post another challenge.

However, if you all think not, then you can wait.

Good night.

[skytrain10]

I am probably biased, but one thing I think we are all agreed on is that it is the Brutsche Freedom, but some doubt on the model number. Personally I believe Graeme would have accepted the Freedom, BUT, his comment that it is not mentioned in Aerofiles does nag at me. Trevor, LM says go...if you agree then I'll put up the next one.

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken,

Sorry for the delay in responding to your last post, but I only I just got back home!

I think that there's quite a bit of confusion surrounding the various model numbers and photos, however, like you say, Graeme said it wasn't on Aerofiles (which the 180 is), maybe (for the sake of Mel's list) he will have a definitive answer, but I agree that he would probably have been happy to accept just Brausche Freedom as a valid answer, so please go ahead and post another challenge!

I'm going to be in the kitchen for a while, but will try and have a crack at it (without burning the house down I hope) :eek:

Go for it Ken :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Trevor. Just completed my kitchen duties so here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/6ed2790e.jpg

Don't ask what that is under the port wing...the image was not very clear, so have done my best to replicate its appearance! Tail rudder is deflected to the starboard.

[SincoTC]

Kitchen in "cruise mode" at the moment, so there's a few minutes before it needs my attention again.

Hmm; Is it manned? Fixed gear? Jet or pusher prop? Is that bump in the fuselage top an intake, cockpit or summat else?

[skytrain10]

Limited info Trevor, but:
- not manned
- believe retractable
- jet
- air intake
Cheers

[SincoTC]

Gotta slip back into the left seat kitchen wise now and then eat, will be back later!

In the meantime, is it described as a UAV and is it an active/cancelled project or has it flown?

[Noyade]

Evening gents! Did you have a nice day? Lawns/Gardens looking good?

Yes, my source had it as the Brutsche Freedom 40. The 180 was a very different looking machine. Well done, glad you moved on. :ok:

[skytrain10]

UAV, yes, and it has flown. The manufacturers website is still promoting it so presumably it is an active project.

[Noyade]

UAV, yes, and it has flown

American?......

[Noyade]

Then again, there's a thingy called a BAE Demon which has exactly(?) the same looking dorsal bump/intake...? British?

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme
Not British (or European come to that) or American mate.

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

Thanks for the answer on the Freedom 40 :ok:

I think Ken's UAV is closer to you than you think!

Ken, is it the Australian Cybird V high-speed jet UAV - fighter jet target training, missile systems development test bed ??

Open House please if it is, as I've got a busy day tomorrow, not sure when and if I can play tomorrow yet!

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken. Well, that's me done then I think.
Googling "New Jet-Powered UAVs" I found this, sorry, I'm easily distracted! :)

Madagascar Institute - 2010 New York Maker Faire Video - Popular Mechanics (http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/how-to-plans/madagascar-institute-pulse-jet-powered-ponies-maker-faire-nyc-2010)

[Noyade]

Australian Cybird VHa! Nice one Trevor/Ken. Comes with a fridge for tinnies? I thought it looked sort of pedestrian compared to those stealth looking machines on the net. Funny, yet we can't even make lawn-mowers or bicycles...

Sleep well guys! :ok:

[skytrain10]

Ken, is it the Australian Cybird V high-speed jet UAV - fighter jet target training, missile systems development test bed ??
That's the one Trever, the Cyber Technologies Cybird V from Australia:ok:
Overview - Cyber Technology (http://www.cybertechuav.com.au/-Overview,100-.html)

And here it is in the flesh:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/15135b43.jpg

SincoTC has declared Open House

[skytrain10]

Googling "New Jet-Powered UAVs" I found this, sorry, I'm easily distracted! Different...interesting concept!

Actually I found the Cybird simply by doing a picture search for "Unmanned Aerial Vehicle"....sometimes the simplest solution is best:)

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken,

I'll say goodnight now, gonna need that extra hour tonight, have your clocks gone back too Graeme?

Try and see you guys tommorrow (or later today :))

Cheers :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Now I know that weekends are usually quiet but...............:uhoh:

BTW TC, Graeme is at the moment eleven hours ahead of us and NSW is on Daylight Saving Time.

[skytrain10]

Afternoon....as you say LM, somewhat quiet. Been out in the garden today taking advantage of the nice weather!

As it's still OH, may I offer the following:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/28cc310d.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like you and me Ken - on two threads.............:)

Is yours manned?

[skytrain10]

Is yours manned? Not manned....prop at the front.

Yep, just thee and me!

[Lightning Mate]

Yippee - 'ere we go again.................:uhoh:

[Lightning Mate]

Man-portable?

[skytrain10]

Man-portable? Nope....similar in size to a small light aircraft or homebuild job.

[Lightning Mate]

Teledyne engine?

[skytrain10]

Not a Teledyne...a Rotax

[Lightning Mate]

Get back to "Challenge".........

[skytrain10]

Clue time....one of a number of UAV's from this major aerospace company..

[Lightning Mate]

No obvious sensors.

Is it a target drone?

[skytrain10]

Morning David

Is it a target drone? No, primarily reconnaissance.

Despite its aircraft like appearance and size it is catapult launched.

European.

[SincoTC]

Morning Ken,

Just having a coffee and a quick look for your UAV.

The nearest I've found that looks anything like it (and for some reason it came up in a "UAV" search) is a Dyn.aero MCR 4S without the landing gear!!! Any connection, but I'm not hopeful :)

Oh well, back to work now :(

[skytrain10]

Dyn.aero MCR 4S.......Any connection, but I'm not hopefulWell, I wasn't expecting that, but I do see the likeness:)

Unfortunately no connection whatsoever Trevor. Have another cuppa!!

[Lightning Mate]

'Artnoon Ken.

Very busy today (despite rumour control on another thread) with a very short lunch break.

Is this something from Sagem?

[skytrain10]

Sorry mste, like you have been a little rushed today.

Not by Sagem....we have had other UAV's from this company on SC.

[Ridge Runner]

EADS, ken???

[skytrain10]

Afternoon Martin...someone has finally got there....yes, it is an EADS product. Several different models use the same model name, but each one has a separate number. Happy to accept the model name only.

[Spit161]

EADs Arcturus?
OH if correct, as I'm off to a Halloween party..:eek:

cheers,
Jake.

[skytrain10]

EADs Arcturus?Hi Jake, getting close, but not the Arcturus. Enjoy the party...:ok:

[skytrain10]

All. I have discovered that I made an incorrect statement in one of my replies. I went searching on the net, and have just found another article from a reliable source regarding this UAV, which states that "it was derived from the Dyn Aero MCR.4S". The original source that I used for my challenge made no reference to this fact, so Trevor, please accept my apologies...you were closer than you thought, and even closer than I thought you were! It explains why the MCR.4S came up in your search.

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken,

That explains a lot, the similarity seemed uncanny!! I did have a quick look to find a connection but without the EADS part of the equation I didn't find one :)!

That now unlocks the log-jam and turns up a new (to me) site :E! Seems it's the EADS Surveyor 2500

[skytrain10]

Hi Trevor
Seems it's the EADS Surveyor 2500 It is indeed and sorry once again for sending you off on a different track...certainly not intentional. I only found reference to Dyn Aero whilst looking it up in Flight.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/5f4c7aff.jpg

SincoTC has control

[SincoTC]

No need to apologise Ken,; Dyn.aero seem pretty quiet about it and I couldn't find any mention of the connection on their site!

A good challenge and surprisingly hard to find given its characteristics :ok: Although it does seem like the search engines are getting worse (the advanced search facility seems to have vanished from my favourite)!!

This one's not very good, but it's all I have at the moment :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC-wtf165.jpg

[skytrain10]

Interesting...presume its powered...single seat?

[SincoTC]

Single seat, powered by gravity :)

[skytrain10]

Decided to come back for a last look...is it the FVA-2 Blaue Maus?

Or if not, the FVA-1 Schwarze-Teufel?

Edit to say....looking closer I would say the FVA-1?

[SincoTC]

Decided to come back for a last look...is it the FVA-2 Blaue Maus

Ditto, to see if there were any answers :) !

It is indeed the FVA-2 Blaue Maus :D Well, it was a development of the FV-1, they are very similar (and I think some of the photos may be mis-labelled)!!

Natty construction involved:
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/Blaue-Maus-Construction2.jpg

Very interesting article on it's designer, quite an extraordinary career Wolfgang Klemperer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Klemperer)

skytrain10 has control Edited to say skytrain has requested an Open House. Sleep well :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Trevor, must admit wasn't too sure. I found a picture of the FVA-1 from a similar, but not identical, angle which looked about right. But as you say they are very similar.

Am just about to hit the hay so will have to be Open House. If no one has stepped in overnight I'll have one ready for the morning.

Good night.

[Karlark]

Open house? A chance to post one up!! :).

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/49-3.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Karlark.

Bristol Brownie. :ok:

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4858/253go.jpg (http://img851.imageshack.us/i/253go.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Ba:mad:.........!

[Noyade]

Now now David. :)

Tail threw me but got there in the end...

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/1079/img140b.jpg (http://img847.imageshack.us/i/img140b.jpg/)

Am I likely to see Karlark tonight? Probably not.

Second opinion anyone? If confirmed by someone else, you guys can then move on as I'll make it open house...?

If correct, open house.

[Lightning Mate]

No doubts at all mate - not many tails like that around.

[Karlark]

:ok: Very good, Noyade!

Noyade has requested Open House.

[Noyade]

Am I likely to see Karlark tonight? Probably not.

Sorry mate, I have no concept of time zones...thought you might be sleeping. :)

[Karlark]

Very early here... just rising and still half asleep ... :zzz:.

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry mate, I have no concept of time zones...thought you might be sleeping

Google - time in Minnesota. :E

[Ridge Runner]

Morning!!!

Although it does seem like the search engines are getting worse (the advanced search facility seems to have vanished from my favourite)!!

Shame, Trevor! :E

RR

[skytrain10]

Morning all....

[Lightning Mate]

Late on parade corporal. :E

[Lightning Mate]

Wanna helo?

[Noyade]

Choppa, choppa, choppa, choppa.....

[Lightning Mate]

Bedtime reading.......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/issa.jpg

[skytrain10]

A UAV David?

[Lightning Mate]

Sure is mate.

[skytrain10]

TGR Helicorp Alpine Wasp?

[Noyade]

That was quick Ken...

[Lightning Mate]

There you go.

I don't do difficult.

All yours. :ok:

[skytrain10]

That was quick Ken... I had seen something called the Snark...looked that up and found this...UAV for mountain rescue!

Thanks David.

Here's the next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/3b8bb64d.jpg

[Noyade]

How many built Ken?

[skytrain10]

How many built Ken?Just the one Graeme, but it did enter service.

[Noyade]

but it did enter service.

Lufthansa? :)

[skytrain10]

Not with Lufthansa....right part of the world though.