Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[skytrain10]

I was just looking at Luft46....great minds:ok:

But nothing....

Back to the couch...just relax and think....

[Noyade]

you do post quite a lot from there

Now I'm intrigued!

Ken, what the hell do I post a lot from?! :confused:

[skytrain10]

Ken, what the hell do I post a lot from?! If I had to say I would have gone for Japan, but that's been ruled out. France? Doesn't look French though :ugh:

[Noyade]

just relax and think.... I'm trying...but he's eliminated 80% of the world's aircraft?

Not British
French
German
American
Japanese
Russian...

C'mon Ken, think! You're the one who answers my silhouettes mostly! :ok:

[Noyade]

Looks like a job for Hesham...any second now....

[skytrain10]

Italian!:ok:

Campini fighter....trying to find a designation

[Noyade]

Good thinking Sherlock! I am partial to pizza and spaghetti...

You know me so well Ken! :ok:

[Noyade]

Campini CS-10?

Two engines one seat? (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?4068-Two-engines-one-seat)

[skytrain10]

You know me so well Ken! Is this what they call male bonding!:)

Edit...try CS.9?

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/76419ab5.jpg

[SincoTC]

Houses swapped, hissing down here and somewhat windy, worse to come tomorrow :eek:

I wish I had a quid for evey Italian aircraft you'd posted Graeme, (which is why I finished off the statement with an Italian word)!!

Campini fighter....trying to find a designation

That's the one Ken, I'll not ask for a designation as I'm not sure there is one!!

skytrain has control :ok:

[Noyade]

No, looks more like the middle one - CS-9?

Edit. Sorry, left behind as usual. Nice one Ken!

comprendere?I just thought your spelling was ****. :(:)

Getting ready for work. Another time. Cheers and goodnight.

[SincoTC]

No, looks more like the middle one - CS-9?

I agree with that, but I've seen it on another site with a different name, so I elected to just go with the Campini Fighter project and let the historians fight over the details.

Have a good day Mate, catchya later :ok:

[skytrain10]

Not a silhouette but just to keep things moving:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/d22005e8.jpg

[SincoTC]

Looks like a rotary engine, Le Rhone, Clerget or Oberursel ?

Pre, during or post WWI ?

[skytrain10]

Hi Trevor
Le Rhone rotary, during WWI.
Going to call it a night soon so usual rules.
Cheers

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken, me too as it's another 5am start :eek: Sleep well :ok:

[evansb]

Oh, okay, I'll pipe in that I think it is an Olkhovskij Torpedo.

[skytrain10]

I'll pipe in that I think it is an Olkhovskij Torpedo. Afternoon Bri...yep a good call, it is indeed the Olchovskij Torpedo of 1917, from Russia:ok:

evansb has control. Now I am going to sleep, so good night.

[evansb]

Thanks Ken. Good night gents. Here is a ship that is a bit of a mystery:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH111215.jpg

[SincoTC]

Yawn, scratch etc, another day (already), another challenge :uhoh:!!

Evening Brian :)

Is it a mystery ship, is it a car, is it a 'plane, is it a Waterman's or a Hallock ?

I'll plump for the Hallock HT-1 Roadwing ??

Open House please if correct as I'm off for "walkies" and then work :(

[Lightning Mate]

Yawn, scratch etc, another day (already),

Posted at 0453.......!! Good grief!

Good ID on the challenge. Since it's the middle of the night in Lethbridge, would anyone care to second me?

[skytrain10]

would anyone care to second me? Second that...definitely the Roadwing:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

Morning!

That's the onehttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif Just 2 aircraft produced in 1948, which turned out to be the last aircraft from Mauboussin.

Nice one, Ken!!!!!!

RR :)

[Lightning Mate]

Looking back to post #4770 et seq, it seems to me we are at Open House.

[SincoTC]

'Artnoon LM and RR :)

Just looking in at lunchtime, but can't stay! As it's only just past 6 am in Alberta and my guess has been given the green light and seconded, I would say that my OH request stands and that someone should go ahead and post a challenge, I'm sure Brian would agree with that.

[Lightning Mate]

Oh, OK then.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/whirly.jpg

[skytrain10]

American...something from Pitcairn?

[Lightning Mate]

Good afternoon Ken. :)

Not American mate.

edit to say going off line for about an hour. Back soon.

[Ridge Runner]

Or Russian, the TsAGI A-4???

[Lightning Mate]

Hello Martin. :)

Sadly not Japanese.

Photographic cryptic clue soon.....

Sorry - missed your second post...

Or Russian, the TsAGI A-4???

Thassa one mate, otherwise known as the Kuznetsov A4.

Over to you. :ok:

67 posts to go and counting....................

[Ridge Runner]

Ah ha... Thanks David. It has to be an OH as I'm just leaving the office now ! :( RR

[skytrain10]

Seen a few "greens" but no guesses, so for the night shift, 1920's, European.

Closing down now. Usual rules...if someone guesses and that is supported by someone else please move on.

[Noyade]

G'day Ken. The paddock, fencing and trees made me feel at home, so I'm now surprised to read your post more carefully, as it's European.

I really thought it was home grown. :(

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5558/img285x.jpg (http://img249.imageshack.us/i/img285x.jpg/)

Sorry mate, but as Trevor would say, got an early start tomorrow. Heading off to bed and back tomorrow afternoon.

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme...yes decided to leave the background in to provide a more comfortable scene!

According to wiki this was the most widely produced aircraft from this manufacturer. We have had a closely related version of this aircraft as a previous challenge.

[skytrain10]

Looks like not much interest in this one, and I won't be around tomorrow to monitor, so challenge withdrawn.

Open House

[Lightning Mate]

GREETINGS.

Time for a Christmas special methinks........

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/XmasSpecial-4.jpg

[skytrain10]

Must be a F-117 mate...!!

But wait...I'm getting something....! Just got to let the eyes adjust:)

Compliments of the season to you David:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

....and to you Ken. :)

It has been quiet around here!

[skytrain10]

It has been quiet around here! It has, although there were quite a few "greens" on Saturday and when I finally looked in again last night. Perhaps SC has run its course? I've said to myself I'll give it until the end of the year, but if it hasn't picked up by then its time to call it a day.

[Lightning Mate]

Perhaps SC has run its course?

I don't think so - at least I hope not. It's just that time of the year.

I'll keep going - 10,000 posts to get yet. :)

[skytrain10]

at least I hope not. I hope you're right...it would be a shame.

Right back to the challenge...am I seeing a jet, intake at the nose, exhaust beneath the rear fuselage, quite a large tail, bubble canopy?

[Lightning Mate]

am I seeing a jet, intake at the nose, exhaust beneath the rear fuselage, quite a large tail, bublle canopy?

Yes to almost all mate, but the exhaust is under the mid-fuselage.

[Lightning Mate]

Would you like the challenge made slightly more obvious?

[Noyade]

Morning Gents. :)

I see a Sukhoi....

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/822/xmasspecial3.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/xmasspecial3.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Sukhoi Su-15...1st version?

Edit to say, worked that out before I saw Graeme's drawing...honestly:)

[Lightning Mate]

Evening Graeme. :)

You do indeed see a Sukhoi. Ken has nailed the exact one so I feel he should have it, unless he can't post, in which case it will be yours.

[skytrain10]

Thanks David. If you've got one ready Graeme, go for it. If not I'll have one ready in 10-15 mins.

[Noyade]

Midnight here. Heading to bed. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Just in case anyone missed it before.......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Xmas2011.jpg

[skytrain10]

Excellent card as usual David:ok:

A quick one....

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/1678615d.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Mb 339...?

[skytrain10]

Macchi MB-339 it is:ok: In this case the C version.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/bec4dd5e.jpg

LM has control

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Ken.

I'm off to class for a short while - back soon.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/justforyou-1.jpg

[skytrain10]

A racer mate? American?

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like a racer but isn't.

Early 1990s experimental kit aircraft - not many built. American indeed.

[Lightning Mate]

There are a couple of quick clues in my Xmas card. ;)

[skytrain10]

Is it the WLAC-1 White Lightning (aka Jones White Lightning)?

[Ridge Runner]

Yes please!! :)

[skytrain10]

Yes please!! Afternoon Martin...what are you saying Yes please to!?

[Lightning Mate]

White Lightning

No - the other one. They are related. Look at White Lightning images again..........

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry - I'm way behind! :(

[Lightning Mate]

Wot you on today Martin? :E

[skytrain10]

Ah, the Jones Lightning Bug?

[Lightning Mate]

:D:D......

Your turn - I'm going offline for a while.

[skytrain10]

Thanks David.

Next one, should go quickly:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/144c508d.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Ken! The IL-30 I think? RR

[skytrain10]

An Ilyushin of course, but not the IL-30.

[Ridge Runner]

IL-54 then????

Edit: no, its the IL-46

[skytrain10]

no, its the IL-46 That's the one Martin:D

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/add84dfc.gif

RR has control

[Ridge Runner]

Its one of them ... again!!!

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune191210A.jpg

[skytrain10]

Ah ah...I have a Cub look-a-like lined up for a future challenge! Are we looking at a modern day machine...European design?

[Ridge Runner]

Modern day.. not European ....

;)

[skytrain10]

Is the aircraft in "standard" config? I say that as the exhaust location is quite distinctive and was just wondering if that's how it was/is built or is it an "add-on"? Don't want to waste my time looking at Neiva's, Aero Boero etc!:)

[Ridge Runner]

Original, Ken.

time looking at Neiva's, Aero Boero etc I suggest you don't :)

RR

[skytrain10]

Ok thanks, so if not European, then logically from the US? Or perhaps South America?

[Ridge Runner]

Not american, Ken!

Edit: I'm out for a Xmas do tonight so won't get on SC.. would you like clues or can it wait until tomorrow if its not solved by 1730?

[skytrain10]

Give us another clue before going! I'm busy this evening too so won't have much opportunity to look in. If you're ok if I (or someone else) identifies it and its supported by someone else, are you happy for us to move on?

Not European or American...that limits things a litte...Russian? Is it in production now, or a kit plane?

[Ridge Runner]

Give us another clue before going! I'm busy this evening too so won't have much opportunity to look in. If you're ok if I (or someone else) identifies it and its supported by someone else, are you happy for us to move on?

yes, no problem.

One clue: a slight russian connection - but also chinese! But not from either. One produced so far, I think.

[skytrain10]

SAFAT 01 from Sudan I believe.

[Ridge Runner]

ah ha.... that's the one mate!!!!! You have control!

[Ridge Runner]

I must go, mate!! Night, night...... RR

[skytrain10]

Thanks Martin. In fact we've had the SAFAT 01 before...I thought it sounded familiar!

Next one....European origin

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/0d485874.jpg

[Noyade]

Evening Ken. :)

French mate?

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme...yes French...1950's.

[Noyade]

I'm wrong, the tail looked familiar, but that's about all.

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/412/img290f.jpg (http://img851.imageshack.us/i/img290f.jpg/)

[Karlark]

Are you sure that it is not the Max Plan PF.204?

[Noyade]

Max Plan PF.204

G'day Karlark. Mine is. :) But Ken's front looks very different?

[Noyade]

Max Plan PF.204

Just googled. It is. Monologued again! :(

[skytrain10]

I was wondering whether the different nose would puzzle you....yes of course it is the PF-204....in a different form! :)

Your control Karl:ok:

[Karlark]

Then again, the tailheel looks a little suspect...:)

I think Noyade new what it was, so if credit is due, it should be his.

Edit... or open house.

Cheers Ken

[Noyade]

I think Noyade new what it was

Not really. Immediate thought was Haystacks = British = looks Percival. Then Ken said European. Thought French. The rest is history. :)

Easy one in return then...

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/740/img277j.jpg (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/img277j.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Initial thought was a Kawasaki Ki-78, but now I look again the nose looks wrong..

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken, G'day Graeme,

Apologies for absence, it's just been impossible for the last few days due to workload leading up to the holiday, but couldn't resist a quick peek afore bed!!

Is that a Heinkel He 100 ??

Open House please if it is; yup, another 5 am start :(

[Noyade]

I was hoping you might have forgotten all about it Trevor. :)

Open House.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4310/img292c.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/i/img292c.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Good call on the He-100 Trevor:ok:

As its OH I'll make a return appearance with this one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/3549f3ee.jpg

Clues so far:
- European
- Wiki states it is the most widely produced aircraft from this manufacturer
- We have had a closely associated aircraft from this manufacturer as a previous challenge

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken. :)

Is it a bipe or mono parasol?

[skytrain10]

Morning David...bipe, or rather a sesquiplane to be precise.

[Lightning Mate]

Pander EG.100

[skytrain10]

It is indeed the Pander EG.100...well done:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/e8cb012a.jpg

LM has control

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Ken.

The man sitting opposite me has responded to your intake.

Please standby............

[skytrain10]

responded to your intake. trucky04.....not my intake though....one of Trevors.

[Lightning Mate]

A design project for you.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/strangejob-2.jpg

[skytrain10]

Interesting....no visible means of power? Prop at the nose? Hidden jet engine somewhere?

[Lightning Mate]

Jet engines.

[sabredog]

KNVAD "No Wind" UAV

[Lightning Mate]

The KVAND SHTIL ('Calm') is is indeed. :D

Your thread mate.

[sabredog]

Thank you,LM. Pure luck with finding that one I am afraid!
Not a silhouette, but I hope it is acceptable?
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/mosquito633/Quiz45.jpg

[skytrain10]

The Gerin Varivol from France?

[Lightning Mate]

Smartass......

[sabredog]

Indeed it is,Skytrain10. Well done.
YHC

[Lightning Mate]

PM for sabredog.

[Ridge Runner]

The Gerin Varivol from France?


it's been on before - I posted it! :) (07 July 2010)

[skytrain10]

Thanks sabredog.

Guys, tied up for a while, so Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

I have one, but am likely to be tied up shortly.

Martin?

[Ridge Runner]

Go on, David :)

[Lightning Mate]

I'm tied up for the rest of the day mate and unable to monitor.

[skytrain10]

As no one has taken up the OH......

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/d9a44210-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken. :)

[skytrain10]

Morning David:)

Any ideas mate?

[Lightning Mate]

Not really - there are hundreds like that.

Is it a homebuilt?

[Noyade]

Any ideas mate? Any clues mate? :)

Edit...Stab - European. Early nineties and less than 5 built....?

[skytrain10]

Stab - European. Early nineties and less than 5 built....? 1 out of 3:) Try American, 1980's, less than 5 built.
Was intended to be a kitplane available for homebuild but never progressed. The manufacturer is probably not one that you would associate with kitplanes, and is perhaps best known for its association with a production light aircraft.

[Noyade]

Morrisey Bravo OM-1...?

[skytrain10]

Morrisey Bravo OM-1...? That the one Graeme:ok:
Interesting article in Flight regarding their plans for it, which unfortunately never came to fruition: model | flight morrisey | private flight | 1985 | 0170 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1985/1985%20-%200170.html)
The better known production aircraft was of course the Varga Kachina.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/f7c2215b-1.jpg

Noyade has control

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken.

Easy one and a clue for the What Cockpit thread.

Well, it is the season for giving. :ok:

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/9223/wwwrafmoduk1.jpg (http://img855.imageshack.us/i/wwwrafmoduk1.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

I'll see if anyone else responds first.

Nice machine and nice photo:ok: The setting, if not the aircraft, reminded me of the film By Dawns Early Light.

[Ridge Runner]

I don't intend to, mate. :) I know what it is..... Nice one Graeme! RR

[Noyade]

G'day Martin. Someone will have to answer to move on...:)

By Dawns Early Light.

Just googled. Looks interesting, have to keep an eye out for that one. :ok:

[skytrain10]

I gather some were visually sighted off the coast of Ireland last year - heading towards South America if I recall.

[skytrain10]

Go on then....Tupolev Tu-160:)

[Noyade]

http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gifGo on then....Tupolev Tu-160

Your control then mate....:ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme....something a little older now:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/8335c9ea.jpg

[Noyade]

Looks Russian comrade?

[skytrain10]

Looks Russian comrade? not Russian Graeme

[Noyade]

Bottom wing looks a little odd, but is this still classified as a quadruplane?

[Noyade]

Heading to bed mate so I'll let you get some work done. :)

Cheers till next time.

[Lightning Mate]

Is it the S.Z. Quadruplane No.2 ?

[skytrain10]

Is it the S.Z. Quadruplane No.2 ? It is indeed David:ok:

You have control.

Edit to say, offline for a while, back later.

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Ken.

Now, there is evidence that this thing did fly.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/allblack.jpg

[skytrain10]

German David?

[Lightning Mate]

'twas indeed.

[Ridge Runner]

A Kurt tank machine? FW?

[Lightning Mate]

very hot mate................

The wing shape appears to have taken its' English name from a bird of prey...

[Lightning Mate]

It was a projected version of a very well known fighter. It crashed towards the end of the war after the original wings had been refitted.

Wanna side view?

[skytrain10]

Focke-Wulf Fw.190V19?

[Lightning Mate]

Nice one Ken. :D

Your thread. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Cheers David...another new one on me!

Not the usual design from this manufacturer....

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/ea67490a.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Off now mate - have a date with a paintbrush!!

I'll look in later.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken. :)

A Yank?

[skytrain10]

Morning David, no, European. A one-off which never went in to production.

[Lightning Mate]

Then is it French?

[skytrain10]

Then is it French? It is indeed:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry mate - must go.

Moving computers to new office on the other side of the airfield. :\

[skytrain10]

Moving computers to new office on the other side of the airfield. So you'll be on the FR side now?

Catch you later.

[Lightning Mate]

So you'll be on the FR side now?

Indeed - next door to Bournemouth Flying Club, accessed via Matchams Lane. I'm using the one computer left in our old building and it only returns twelve images per search, so it's a busted flush mate.

edit: is the manufacturer now defunct?

[skytrain10]

Ok, yes, I know where you are. Sounds like the pc could do with an upgrade!

is the manufacturer now defunct?
Yes.

To help you along, and as previously intimated, this design of aircraft is somewhat out of keeping with other aircraft from this manufacturer. Late 1940's design.

[Lightning Mate]

I think I'll try a machine gun shot soon!

......about twenty defunct manufacturers.....must hit sumfin'.... :confused:

[skytrain10]

I think I'll try a machine gun shot soon! Evening David...aim for a manufacturer better known for more radical designs:ok:

[Noyade]

G'day Ken.

radical designs

Go on, name one. :)

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme....I'll leave you to do the naming:ok:

[Noyade]

Ok, fair enough. :)

When I first saw it I thought Auster. Next thought was that experimental Auster (can't remember the name - Marshall?) with the ducted wing?

Looks like gills above the cockpit. Some sort of ducted experiment as well?

Next thought was a product of Boisavia...but I should be looking for French Radicals within the manufacturer...so no....

(Will you be around over Christmas Ken?)

[Noyade]

aim for a manufacturer better known for more radical designshttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

These Free French Radicals, they were around when your mystery silhouette was flying?

Late 1940 radicals?

[skytrain10]

This particular aircraft came out of this company in between more ambitious looking designs. As far as I can see the manufacturers first aircraft was in the mid 30's and last in the 50's. I believe at least one of their earlier designs was still in existance when the challenge aircraft took to the air.

[Noyade]

manufacturers first aircraft was in the mid 30's and last in the 50's.Thanks Ken. Will have a look later today/tonight. Sleep well. Cheers. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Night Graeme - evening Ken.

[skytrain10]

Just looking, interestingly I cannot see that the manufacturer ever put any of its designs in to production! All appear to be one-off's.

Edit to say, have a good day Graeme, and evening David. You should have enough information to get this one now:ok:

[SincoTC]

Evening Gents :) !!

I can't believe I missed this one at coffee break, it was on my search list but I didn't even look at it 'coz of the manufacturer :ugh:!!

It's the Payen PA-47 "Plein Air", I had no idea he made something so conventional, you just keep on learning !!

[Lightning Mate]

:mad::mad::mad:...............

[skytrain10]

It's the Payen PA-47 "Plein Air", Bingo - yep that's the one Trevor, well done:ok:
I had no idea he made something so conventional That's what appealed to me. It was just so "normal" looking, save for the somewhat unusual pitot. Even had a rather boring Continental engine!

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/1875fa2e.jpg

SincoTC has control

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken,

That's what appealed to me.

You :E b:mad:er; but a good challenge!!

Here's my next, not very good quality I'm afraid and I've just noticed that some bracing-wires parallel to and above the wing L/E are not visible here :O !!


http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC-wtf182.jpg

[skytrain10]

Presume a pusher prop?

[SincoTC]

Correct; it is a pusher!

[skytrain10]

Mmm, not coming up with much - had wondered if it would show up as motorglider, but seemingly not. 1920's era?

[SincoTC]

It is categorised as a monoplane, but not from the 20's, try a decade earlier.

Edit:

This was the designer's third powered aircraft; he is regarded as a pioneer, but is not a household name today and would probably be dismissed as a typographical error by anyone interested in aircraft ;) !!

[SincoTC]

Another clue added rather than edited to show up as a new post!

One source mentions what I think is a rather unfortunate coincidence; in that one of these aircraft suffered a fatal accident, killing both pilot and passenger on exactly the same day as the previous version set a World Record for Altitude carrying a passenger :hmm:

[Noyade]

Still looking Trevor. :(

Gave up making an aviation-based Silhouette Christmas Challenge, but I did find this Gallipoli Christmas Card Challenge from 1915.

Spot the Turk....

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2574/christmash.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/i/christmash.jpg/)

Seasons Greetings from Oz. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme,

Greetings to you too mate and to all dunnunda :ok:

I like the card; good camo, but a bit early in the campaign to be awarding decorations innit :)

[skytrain10]

Good morning/evening all....Graeme, I reckon he would have got away with the disguise if it hadn't been for the boots:)

Busy morning Trevor, so not had a chance to relook at your challenge....why do I have a nasty feeling that Breguet's may hold the key:(

[SincoTC]

Good morning Ken :),

why do I have a nasty feeling that Breguet's may hold the key

Well, it is on there (it doesn't need any log-in to find it though), but it's on several other sites too.

It's not on Wiki, although the designer chappie is mentioned (a single line entry) and he get's mention for his later work on an aircraft he designed for a company he joined in 1916.

[skytrain10]

Would have got there a lot quicker but the bad weather appears to have affected our broadband somewhat....anyway the Dorner Eindecker?

[SincoTC]

I don't know if it's the bad weather, or just millions of kids at home and online, but it's awful slow in these parts too!

Well done Ken, it is the Dorner Eindecker Typ III of 1911 :D

Hermann Dorner (born May 27, 1882 in Wittenberg, died February 6, 1963 in Hannover) was among the first German powered aircraft designers. He studied nautical engineering in Berlin, graduated in 1909, and in the summer of 1910 he acquired the pilot license No. 18 of the Deutschen Luftfahrer-Verbandes (German pilots association).

In 1907 he had begun to develop a glider, to the nose of which an engine could be attached. Entering his self-designed powered monoplane, Dorner was the sole German who participated at the Erster Internationalen Flugwoche (first international flying week) in Johannisthal in September 1909, the first time a German powered aircraft was presented at a big event.

In 1910 the Dorner Flugzeug GmbH (Aircraft Ltd.) was formed. After Dorner ran into financial difficulties in 1912, he became an instructor at the Luftfahrerschule (pilot school) Adlershof, and the following year he became the technical director at the recently founded Deutsche Versuchsanstalt für Luftfahrt (German experimental institute for aviation.

Mid-1914 he and Heinrich Oelerich developed at the Deutsche Flugzeugwerke (DFW, German aircraft works) the DFW B.I and B. II.
Late 1915 he became chief designer of the DFW Riesenflugzeugabteilung (giant aircraft department ) at Leipzig-Lindenthal,

In 1916 he became chief engineer for aircraft engine development at the Hannoverschen Waggonfabrik, Abteilung Flugzeugbau (Hanover railway car factory, aircraft department) at Hannover-Linden, where he designed the Hannover CL Types. After WW I Dorner left the aviation scene.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/DornerEindecker.jpg

This photo was from the Original 1912 Dorner Company brochure


skytrain10 has control :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Trevor. I think with us its the weather or line maintenance as we keep loosing the connection.

Things appear to be ok at present, so here is the next challenge:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/2a2240eb.jpg

[skytrain10]

A clue for any lurkers out there...European, WWI.

[sabredog]

Morane-Saulnier H or it's Pfalz derivative,the E1?

[skytrain10]

Neither of those sabredog.

[Noyade]

Evening Ken and SD. Russian?

[sabredog]

Scout Moran-Saulnier Type G?

[Noyade]

Swedish! :)

Thulin K.

[skytrain10]

Sorry sabredog, not the MS Type G.

Morning Graeme, yes it is the Thulin K from Sweden...well done mate:ok:

http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/fww1/thulink-i.jpg

Noyade has control

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken. Try this, but I'll have to reveal it later tonight when I get home from work if unsolved...

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/426/img303u.jpg (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/img303u.jpg/)

[Noyade]

New page, so for continuity, here it is again...

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2238/img303cv.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/img303cv.jpg/)

The line drawing is the proposed turboprop Mk IV version. Here's a mock-up of the piston Mk III version...

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7040/img304t.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/img304t.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Hi Graeme....just realised another page had gone by. So the MkIV was/is a project...was the MkIII built? Presumably there is a MkI and II?

[SincoTC]

Hi Graeme, evening Ken :)

Is it the Aero Maroc Industrie (AMI) Gepal Mk IV ??

I haven't found any pictures yet, but I understand that AMI displayed a mockup of the Mk III (your photo?) at the 1983 Paris Air show, hence French cars in background!

[skytrain10]

Evening Trevor....well I'm sure you've got it. The MkIII appears in Flight Global. Totally new one on me....nice one Graeme:ok:

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken,

I just found the photo on an Arabic website pointing out the similarities of the Mk IV to the Beech Turbo Mentor and including the Flight article.

http://defense-arab.com/vb/showthread.php?p=168514

As Graeme won't be around for a few hours yet, I'm going to hit the sack now and try and dream up a suitable challenge!!

Goodnight mate, sleep well :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks for the link:ok:

Going to hit the hay myself now, so good night, and will check in tomorrow.

[Noyade]

Morning gents.

Well done Trevor :ok:

Arabic website You're the Google Search Master. Your control mate.

A little more on the GEPAL...

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6262/img306k.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/img306k.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme,

Sleep well mate and dream of what Santa will bring you! I hope that you, Julie and the boys have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year :ok:

The original manufacturer's name or a nickname will do for this one!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC-wtf183.jpg

[Noyade]

Sleep well mate

Are you serious?! I'm too excited to sleep mate. Sipping a little Christmas red. :) Many thanks for the Seasons Greetings. Best wishes to you as well.

Now...

European trainer - late twenties?

[SincoTC]

Thanks for the wishes; still got a busy day ahead here :)

European trainer - late twenties?

Not European and early twenties

[Noyade]

still got a busy day ahead hereOk mate. American? Kinner engine?

I'll continue to sip, lurk and leave you to your busy day. :ok: Cheers.

[SincoTC]

The "Red" is warming you up there mate, you're on the right tack ;) !

It is Amenican and a variety of 60 Hp engines were fitted as the design evolved, but this one didn't have a Kinner.

Edit: Back in a couple of hours :)

[evansb]

Kinner Canary ?

[SincoTC]

Well done Brian, it is the Kinner Canary, AKA Airster :D:D

The Airster appeared in 1920 designed by Bert Kinner, it was a one or two seat open-cockpit single-engine biplane. The first single-seat Airster was powered by a 60 hp (45 kW) Lawrance L-4 radial engine. When the prototype crashed on a test flight it was rebuilt as a two-seater with a wider cockpit. One Airster named The Canary was bought by Amelia Earhart while she was learning to fly (one source has it that Amelia’s parents gave it to her for her 24th birthday).

On October 22, 1922, Earhart set a women's altitude record of 14,000 feet (4,200 meters). Sadly, she was soon forced to sell her Canary owing to the high price of gas.

Later production aircraft had slab-sided plywood fuselages and were powered by a variety of 60 hp (45 kW) engines including Kinner.


http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/BKinner-Airster.jpg

Bert Kinner standing beside what was to become The Canary on account of its bright yellow colour scheme!

evansb has control :ok:

[evansb]

Thank you! Seasons Greetings! Here is the next mystery ship:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH111224.jpg

[SincoTC]

Thanks for the Greeting Brian :ok:

May I echo them and say Seasons Greetings to all AH & N participants and viewers worldwide !!!


Gawd! What would you guys do without aerofiles.com ?

Well, I couldn't find your picture there, but I did get a push in the right direction. I initially thought it was a three-seater Huff-Darland, maybe a Pelican or Plover, but the cockpit seemed to be on the wrong side, so I flipped your image and all became clear :)!


I now believe it to be a Huff-Daland D-49 Duster and maybe the wide front cockpit is a loading hopper??

Regret it'll have to be Open House if correct, as I'm out with the Family in a couple of hours and will be offline all day!

Have a good day one and all and raise a glass to "absent friends" :ok: :ok:

[skytrain10]

Merry Christmas everyone:)

Well I'm sure you've got it Trevor. I looked briefly last night but figured I'd leave it until this morning...bad move:{ As to whether its the Pelican or the Duster I am not sure...the only photo of the latter I have found has spoked wheels.

Anyway, for anyone who looks in, have a great day and enjoy the festivities

Cheers:ok:

[evansb]

Not the Huff-Daland Duster, but there is a connection. If a certain merger didn't take place, this aeroplane might be known as the "Huff & Puff".

[Karlark]

Good morning Evansb. It must be the Keystone Puffer then.
Edit; Open House if correct.


Happy Holidays to all!

[evansb]

[I]Karlark[I] is correct. The Keystone Puffer. As requested, it is OPEN HOUSE

[Karlark]

No takers on the OH, so here is a tidbit. I see that some of you guessed the last Aviaquiz challenge correectly. The one below was my (incorrect) guess :):

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/88-2.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Friedrichshafin FF 29 perhaps?

[Karlark]

It is one of the other German manufacturers.... although the FF 29 sure looked close.

[SincoTC]

Morning Karark :),

Good call on the Puffer; I'd never have found that one in a million years and Aerofiles wouldn't have helped one bit!!

The reason I put the smiley in my post and question mark after the name, was when I flipped the image I could see it said Huff-Daland Duster on the fuselage and D-49 on the tail, (you can see it here): Keystone : Puffer | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590503332/) I thought it was either an early Christmas present, or was too good to be true (and it was :ugh:)

It seems like the Puffer was a bit of a "paper aeroplane" and Keystones part in it was a rather thin re-paint and re-name job!

From Canadian Wings:a contract was placed with Keystone Aircraft Corporation of Bristol Pennsylvania for two Huff-Duland aircraft which had specifically been designed for crop-dusting. One of the aircraft was to be equipped with standard wheel undercarriage while the other was to be delivered as a float-plane. The Huff-Duland aircraft were then re-designated as Keystone Puffers.

No quibbles though, A good challenge from Brian and a good bit of sleuthing from you :ok:

Now then; I'm pretty sure I saw that "looping the loop" shot too while I was searching, could it be from the Sablatnig SP's or the Gotha WD's ?? There were others as well as the Friedrichshafen FF's that had the correct look, but IIRC, those two had the wing shape too.

I'm out all day now, but I'm sure if anyone else is out there, they can home in it after your reply to elimate them or narrow it down. Have a good day :ok:

[Karlark]

Morning TC,

Pretty much every clue was already there for me to swoop in on the Keystone..
Thanks for the good work. :p

The floatplane shown above was my Rumpler 6B guess... only posted due to boredom. :)

let's call it an Open House now.

[MReyn24050]

Here is an easy one, not quite a silhouette, however as it is open house I post it to keep the thread moving.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Silhouettequiz99.jpg

[Noyade]

Cierva C-30 Mel?

[Noyade]

The floatplane shown above was my Rumpler 6B guessNow I know you won't believe be, but at 0330 hrs I couldn't sleep. Kept thinking of tapered floats. Found it, logged on...but...:(:)

Top one...

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7355/img307e.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/img307e.jpg/)

[MReyn24050]

This one is not a Cierva C-30, Graeme.

[Noyade]

Evening Mel. The sun is up now...but it still looks like the C-30 to me? French derivative maybe? > Lioré et Olivier LeO C-30 or nothing to do with Cierva at all?

[MReyn24050]

You have it Graeme :ok:. It is the Lioré et Olivier LeO 30 taking off from the French Aircraft Carrier Bearn
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/583150Liore_Oli.jpg

As you rightly infer the French company Lioré and Olivier bought the license to produce a French version of the Cierva C-30 intended for Navy and Air Force.
This version was powered by a 175-horsepower Samlson 9NE.

You have control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3254/img308c.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/img308c.jpg/)

[irishair2001]

Good Afternoon Noyade and wishing all on the HSC a Happy New Year.

Is it the Italair F.20 Pegaso? ;)

[Noyade]

Thanks for the best wishes, same to you. :ok:

Is it the Italair F.20 Pegaso?Sadly no, but you're on the right track. It is Italian and of the same time period. Both appeared in the 1973 edition of Observer's.

[Karlark]

Maybe the SIAI-Marchetti S.210 then instead?

[Noyade]

SIAI-Marchetti S.210

G'day Karlark. Tis indeed. Your control. :ok:

[Karlark]

Thanks Graeme,

I have nothing up my sleeve or in my photobucket as far as new silhouettes at the moment.

It will have to be Open House.

[Karlark]

Here's an easy one, maybe;

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/94.gif

[Noyade]

PZL P.46 Sum....?

[Karlark]

Yes Indeed. PZL P.46 it is. :ok:

Your control Graeme.

[Noyade]

Thanks Karlark.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7241/img311jd.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/img311jd.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Hi Graeme, a belated merry Christmas to you and your family. Not had much of an opportunity to look in during the last few days, and now pretty hectic with work. Anyway yours looks very much like the Handley-Page HPR-3 Herald?

[Noyade]

Hi Graeme, a belated merry Christmas to you and your familyDitto. :)

Handley-Page HPR-3 Herald? Certainly is. Your control Ken. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme....here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/4a1e2482.jpg

[Noyade]

Very clever Ken. :) Not a dual-cockpit trainer like I originally thought...

Secret Projects of Aviation: Dewoitine /Sud Est SE 580 (http://aviationprojects.********.com/2010/06/dewoitine-sud-est-se-580.html)

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8461/se580ph3.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/se580ph3.jpg/)

Pretty sure it's that, so I'm going to break all the rules and post another as there seems to be not many players about and I'm not back till late tonight and working tomorrow morning. I hope that's OK?

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3045/img310p.jpg (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/img310p.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Hi Graeme, yes it was of course the SE.580 from France:ok:. Although I guess a project, construction was started, but never finished:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/58115e60.jpg

My initial thought on your latest is the Antonov An-8?

[Noyade]

My initial thought on your latest is the Antonov An-8?

I believe so Ken. Your control. :ok:

Sources I have from the fifties refer to it as the Antonov An-4 but googling that gets me nowhere.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2639/img319s.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/img319s.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme. I was wondering whether this was an "early" 3-view as the wing leading edge inboard of the engines is wrong. Perhaps taken from the prototype or whatever information was available at the time? I cannot see that the An-8 was ever designated the An-4, but if its from a 50's publication its possible the designation was not known and a presumption made based on the next even number in sequence?

Stand-by whilst I prep the next one.

[skytrain10]

Work called...sorry for the delay:

Here's an easy one if there is anyone around:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/0b543d0a.jpg

[Noyade]

Hi Ken. Is it this?....

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/2579/img323dp.jpg (http://img851.imageshack.us/i/img323dp.jpg/)

Source says Gulfstream Aerospace Perigrine but was originally called the Commander Fanjet 1500...?

I may not see you again mate.
The End is near...

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/4763/168d.jpg (http://img802.imageshack.us/i/168d.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Hi Graeme...not the Peregrine (which I believe we've had before) but it is the Gulfstream Commander 1500 Fanjet:ok:. I think you're silhouette may be an early drawing of the 1500 or possibly what the production aircraft would have looked like...its definitely not the Peregrine.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/2200870b.jpg

Noyade has control

Edit to say, one of those tall buildings to the top left of the photo looks to be a safe bet:ok: Just make sure you've got a helicopter with you just in case:)

[Ridge Runner]

'ello boys!!!!!

Have a good one tonight... :)

See you all in 2012!

RR

[skytrain10]

Thanks Martin...hope you had a good Christmas:ok:

Enjoy tonight and see you next year.

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken. Happy New Year to all. :ok:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6629/frontoys.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/frontoys.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme - I remember that Profile...the AJI Hustler 500 I believe. Had a prop in the nose and a jet in the tail if I recall?

[Noyade]

AJI Hustler 500

That's the one Ken. Your control. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Cheers Graeme

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/62c49e27.jpg

[buttrick]

Merry Christmas and happy New Year everybody. I have had a miserable time in Saudi, but hopefully a better year from today.

That looks like a Cangourou or that latest incarnation of it.

Bloody hell everybody's out on the P**s. Have one for me, the home brew here is only good for one or two pints, tastes not too bad but blows you up like a balloon.

[SincoTC]

Evening buttrick, good to hear from you, it's been a while! 'Tis a bit quiet on PPrune at the moment and as you say, many are probably off celebrating :)!!

Thanks for the Greetings, which I return; sorry to hear it's been miserable for you in Saudi and hope that the new year is a lot better.

Looks like a good call on skytrains challenge, I remember seeing it performing at Farnborough on a couple of consecutive years in the mid eighties, so I suspect Ken may have used his own photo (well, I can't find the same image)!!

I expect he'll be along soon.

[skytrain10]

That looks like a Cangourou or that latest incarnation of it. Hi buttrick, long time no hear...good to see you back:ok: Spent 2 months in Saudi in 1980 and that was enough for me! Anyway like Trevor has said I hope this is a better year for you.

Sorry for the delay....been chilling out after a busy few days! Yes, it is the SIAI SF.600TP Canguro....not my picture, just one taken from the net. But yes, like Sinco, I recall seeing one at Farnborough, and at Paris one year.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/ffd81f67.jpg

buttrick has control