Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken, but I've got an early start tomorrow. :(

Open House.

(AQ = Bucking horse on floats?)

[SincoTC]

Goodnight Graeme, sleep well :ok:!

Already submitted mate, now to find the piccie, at least it won't be in a certain book :)

Edit: found it; now where's that bee-sting treatment :eek:!

[skytrain10]

Ok Graeme, well in that case.....

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/4d15172d.jpg

Sorry, bit of a rush job.

[Noyade]

Aviatik D II ?

[skytrain10]

Not from Aviatik Graeme

[Noyade]

The Geest Fighter?

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1416/img556c.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/i/img556c.jpg/)

[Noyade]

I wonder if this is also the Geest, and they got the photos mixed up? This is labelled the Aviatik DII...

(Anyway, Open House if it is the Geest. Cheers gents. :ok:)

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6774/img557l.jpg (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/img557l.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Hi Graeme...well I have it as the Geest fighter, so well done:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/35ac908d.jpg

Noyade has declared Open House

[SincoTC]

Still OH, so here's another one to keep it going!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf227.jpg

[diesel addict]

I am pretty sure that was from the Heston stable -

T 1/37 perhaps ?

If correct O H

[SincoTC]

Evening DA, you're correct; it is the Heston T 1/37 Trainer :D

The aircraft was built in 1938, against the Ministry of Aviation Specification TI/37 for a two-seat light training aircraft.

The first prototype (L7706) flew and comprehensive tests were carried out at the A & AEE Boscombe Down, but the RAF could manage with the existing fleet of training aircraft, so the second (L7709) prototype was never completed, and the third (L8804) was dismantled at the initial stage of construction.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/hestont137-2.jpg

diesel addict has requested an Open House :ok:

[Noyade]

Turn up for work at 0700, when you're rostered for the afternoon shift. :(

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/7743/blackdk.jpg (http://img545.imageshack.us/i/blackdk.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Rego and name...in fine print...

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/7772/img543q.jpg (http://img843.imageshack.us/i/img543q.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

I like it...an Amercan aircraft that's NOT in Aerofiles.

It's the ADI Condor I believe?

Couldn't make out the reg, but Condor on the side made life a little easier:)

Edit, hadn't noticed your comment re AQ....definitely, save that it was never built!! It was an engineering mock-up.

[Noyade]

Morning Ken. How's the day shaping?

Actually mate, my next clue, was to be aimed at Trevor as he seems to be the best(?) at those Aerofiles code things...

2pCmwMWhich would probably have led him to Hollmann..Hollman

Winther-Hollman Aircraft Inc, Cupertino CA. Condor 1982 = 2pCmwM; 65hp VW or 115hp Avco-Lycoming.
But ADI googles the same photo...so your control mate. Well done. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Morning Ken. How's the day shaping? Hi Graeme...a quiet wet and cold bank holiday here. Still sounds better than you on the basis I didn't go in to work!:).

Ah, so it was in Aerofiles - when I saw Condor on the side I realised it was probably the ADI Condor - then went to look at Aerofiles only to find it wasn't there! Then looked at ADI's website, and bingo:ok:

Standby for the next one.

[skytrain10]

Next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/bccd55c4.jpg

Edit, image replaced - missed off a strut!

[Noyade]

The guy in the background - looks shirtless and wearing a terry toweling hat?

American summer?
Late seventies?

Homebuilt/Kitplane?

[skytrain10]

No shirtless guys there - hat's, fairly typical for era/time of year.
American summer? Yes
Late seventies? No, late 1980's design. Picture taken in the 90's.
Homebuilt/Kitplane? Yes, but just the one made as far as I can see.

[Noyade]

missed off a strut! I wouldn't have missed it. :)

Looking through Kitplanes Directories, but they only added a photo for each entry in 1993.

Your personal photo?
Aerofiles?

Tricycle biplane?

[Noyade]

Only just past 2200 hrs here Ken, but it's been a long day. Hopefully others will be along shortly to continue the search. Found one tricycle homebuilt biplane, but the cockpit joins the upper wing. I'll keep that for a future challenge. :)

Cheers/Night.

[skytrain10]

Your personal photo? No - from the web
Aerofiles? It's listed, but no photo
Tricycle biplane? Yes - not too many of those around.

This picture was taken at Oshkosh in 1990 - which was a good year for this aircraft:)

See you've gone now - perhaps catch you in the morning:ok:

[SincoTC]

Afternoon Ken :),

That would appear to be the Panl Pan 1, powered by what was intended to be a vertically mounted helicopter engine!!

[skytrain10]

That would appear to be the Panl Pan 1, Close enough Trevor - I have it as the Panzl Pan 1:ok: On the face of it an unusual choice for an engine, but the end result looks good - in fact good enough to win the EAA Champion Custom[Plans Built award at Oshkosh in 1990.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/f99fcefb.jpg

SincoTC has control

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken; I didn't spot my typo, I'd been sodding around with different combinations after mis-reading the Aerofiles entry and goggling Panzi Pan for images without much luck, and then I noticed it was an L not an i (should have gone to heck savers) and finally dropped the z when I posted :ugh:

Here's the next!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf228.jpg

[diesel addict]

Looks a bit like a Grumman "Avenger" with the wings at about 10° folded. . .

In the very unlikely event - Open House !

[SincoTC]

Sorry DA; it does, but it isn't :)!!

[diesel addict]

Hmmmm . . .

Can I try a similar airframe from Consolidated - Seawolf ???

probably TBY.

[SincoTC]

Good try DA :D

It is the Vought/Consolidated TBY-2 Seawolf

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/tbySeaWolf.jpg

I presume diesel addict still wants an Open House :ok:

[diesel addict]

Thank you

Open House is indeed affirmed .

[Karlark]

Here's one to try during the open house intermission :);

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/36-12.jpg

[irishair2001]

Looks like a Saab B18A ?

[Karlark]

It is not the Saab B18, irishair, not Swedish.

[Noyade]

Afternoon/evening Karlark.

The double-step reminds me of the Romano R-110, so I was thinking French?

Or Romanian
Or Hungarian

Or...

:(

[Noyade]

French! :ok:

SNCAO CAO.600 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCAO_CAO.600)

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8066/300pxsncaocao600.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/300pxsncaocao600.jpg/)

(A pity that rare WWII aircraft site "Grey Falcon" died.)

[Karlark]

Yes :ok:, the SNCAO CAO-600 is correct, one prototype produced. :D

I didn't even have a chance to post up the rear view as a clue:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/41-2.jpg

Noyade's control

edit; I'll be darned, greyfalcon is gone, hadn't looked there in awhile.

[Noyade]

Thanks Karlark.

This is similar to your Panzl Pan Ken, but I'm not sure if it's illustrated on the net...

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/761/tricyclebiplane.jpg (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/tricyclebiplane.jpg/)

...but since I had so much trouble GIMPing it, I'm pressing on with it. :)

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2571/bigkq.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/bigkq.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Hi Graeme....this looks familiar. I wonder if I've seen it in Janes? American? My first thought was the Durand Mk V, but not that. However it looks like a negative stagger along the lines of the Durand?

[SincoTC]

Morning Ken and Martin :),

Just paying a flying visit to judge my Challenge, I've got a very busy day ahead and not sure when I can get back. Have fun with Graeme's bipe, a bit worried that he isn't sure if it's on the web though, 'coz he knows its name :eek:

Catchya later I hope!

[Noyade]

Sorry gents. Probably the best clue is the rego...

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/8960/img561h.jpg (http://img560.imageshack.us/i/img561h.jpg/)

[evansb]

Wozniak's Eagle Model 1, AKA "The Double Eagle" ?

[Noyade]

Tis the one mate. :ok: I couldn't find much about it on the net.

Your control. :)

[Ridge Runner]

so easy now? Wozniak Frank B Eagle????

Edit: ah, well! Well done Brian!!!

[evansb]

Thanks. Identify the aircraft on this drawing-board plan:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/BO_DIDDLY.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

A Mooney, Brian?

[skytrain10]

The THK-16 from Turkey?

[evansb]

skytrain10 is correct:ok: From Turk Hava Kuramu, (THK), the proposed jet trainer THK-16 Mehmetcik. 2 Turbomeca Pimene turbojets was the intended power. Your turn.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Brian.

Next:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/a0cfc8fe.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Ken!

To save a lot of searching, a homebuilt?

RR

[skytrain10]

Yes, a homebuild, but a somewhat unusual design - despite appearances :)

[Ridge Runner]

cobbled together from bits of others?

[skytrain10]

cobbled together from bits of others? Not really - but there are two distinct parts to the this aircraft:)

[Ridge Runner]

like the tail and the rest?

[skytrain10]

like the tail and the rest? Along those lines, yes, albeit that the tail also includes the wings and rear fuselage:ok:

[Cows getting bigger]

It vaguely resembles a Glastar but the gear is wrong. Hmmmm.

[Ridge Runner]

A bush machine with a Porter tail assembly?

[skytrain10]

It vaguely resembles a Glastar but the gear is wrong. Hmmmm. Not a Glastar CGB, and no connection with it that I'm aware of.

A bush machine with a Porter tail assembly? No and no Martin.

[Karlark]

Tandem wing, Ken?

[skytrain10]

Hi Karl, hope all is well up in the North Star state?

Tandem wing, Ken? No, just what you see - a high wing mono.

Do you need a clue?

[Karlark]

All is well here Ken, hope the same for you. :)

Just making sure you weren't hiding a wing in the shadows somewhere something like this;).
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/857.jpg

[skytrain10]

Yes, all is fine. Working from a hotel room near Gatwick tonight, so using the time to find some new challenges:)

The Durand MkV - no nothing that tricky on this one, although if you recall my Griffon Lionheart challenge I did indeed have a "hidden" lower wing!

This aircrafts "hidden" extra is largely in full view:)

[skytrain10]

All very quiet.....a clue...the aircraft's unusual design enables it to fulfil a dual role.

[Noyade]

the tail also includes the wings and rear fuselagehttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

G'day Ken. Lonely in your motel room? ;)

American?
1990's?

Not sure what you mean by the quote above.

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme. Yes, it's a little quiet here...still it's given me the opportunity to get a few things done.
Not sure what you mean by the quote above. This might help:):
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/b205c352.jpg
The front of the aircraft has gone!

European, 1970's

[Noyade]

Noooo....some sort of Aerocar?!

[skytrain10]

Noooo....some sort of Aerocar?! Thought that last picture would cause the penny to drop:ok:

[skytrain10]

Going to hit the hay shortly, so one more picture - taken post separation:)

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/5788915d.jpg

Usual rules apply.....Good night:)

[Noyade]

Googling "French (who else) Autocar"...

Guy called Lebouder...?

Attachment browser: Lebouder Autoplane from France.jpg by Wout - RC Groups (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3140370)

Night mate. :)

[Noyade]

So the front wheels on the car part -extend?

Amazing.

Go-Go Gadget! :ok:

Edit. Don't answer that, I didn't look properly.

[skytrain10]

That's the one Graeme....the Lebouder Autoplane. Such a normal looking aircraft as well.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/cf8feec3.jpg

You can just see the panel where the car's front wheel arch is!

So the front wheels on the car part -extend? No, I think in the transformation they are removed from the car and then relocated on to the undercarriage struts.

Go-Go Gadget! Definitely...an early transformer!

Noyade has control:D:D

[Noyade]

Thanks for the clues mate. Open house.

:ok:

Actually - it looks a little complicated, not exactly land and drive off? You must have to lower/remove the fuselage landing gear to get the car out?

[skytrain10]

You're welcome....would have been a good one for a James Bond film....you can imagine it landing, and detaching the tail on the runway and driving off to catch a villain (ignore the bit where it takes an hour to convert from plane to car, and that the car itself has a top speed of 50kph or something like that:))

[Ridge Runner]

Here's one ....http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune110412A.jpg

[skytrain10]

German mate?

[Ridge Runner]

ah ha ....................


................. No!!!

[skytrain10]

Mmm....something French maybe?

[Ridge Runner]

Nope! :)

[Ridge Runner]

As there seems to be only you and I on SC today, a clue:

This is a replica of a machine (a one-off) built earlier. However, it has the engine of the original.

RR

[Noyade]

Morning gents.

British ultralight Martin?

[Ridge Runner]

Hello Graeme!!!! How are things?

Its not a Brit, mate!

RR :E

[Noyade]

Any connection, country wise, to the Flea in the background?
Canadian Museum of Flight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Museum_of_Flight), Langley, BC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langley,_British_Columbia_%28district_municipality%29), Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) - HM.290 (CF-RFH)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mignet_Pou-du-Ciel#cite_note-ogden2007-11)
Musée Royal de l'Armée (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mus%C3%A9e_Royal_de_l%27Arm%C3%A9e), Brussels - HM.293 (OO-33)[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mignet_Pou-du-Ciel#cite_note-ogden2009-12)
Canadian?
Brusselian?...:)

[Ridge Runner]

No, no and no, Graeme!

[Ridge Runner]

It is in a museum. The one (the Flea) shown was a partly-completed machine donated to the museum. It has no relationship other than location, with the SC machine. RR

Edit: Brusselian?...http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif Is that Belgish? :)

[Noyade]

The machine which this is a replica of...was it meant to represent a WWI aircraft?

(Does that make any sense?)

[skytrain10]

Is it the North Tui Sport replica Martin?

[Ridge Runner]

No, Graeme.

You are bang on, Ken!!!

"The Tui Sport ZK-ADV displayed is a replica built by MOTAT volunteers. It does however feature its original Szekely SR-3 engine. The original Tui Sport was built by Fred North during the early 1930's and it was based on the Lincoln Sportsplane. It first flew in January 1934 and it proved to have good speed and maneuverability. It was not impressed into RNZAF service during WW 2 but was operated by Auckland aero Club. It crashed at Ohope beach in August 1941."

Skytrain10 has CONTROL!

[skytrain10]

Thanks Martin. Here is the next one - to make life easier, it's European:)

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/e186a26a.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Nice! A Cub lookalike from Central Europe!! :)

[skytrain10]

Not central Europe Martin.

[Noyade]

Thinking that it looks sort of Dornier Do-27 with a hint of Focke-Wulf, possibly Stosser.

Now thinking, it's time for bed. :) Cheers.

[Ridge Runner]

A Wagaero????

[skytrain10]

Not a WagAero Martin

[Ridge Runner]

French, Ken?

[skytrain10]

French, Ken? Ah ha, yes, French:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

The Societe Aeronautique Normande SAN01, Ken????

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/3/7/7/1298773.jpg

Edit: do you realise how many pages T. Laurent has on Airliners.net??? :(

[evansb]

How many iterations of Piper's Cub are there ? .......:rolleyes:

[Ridge Runner]

LOADS!!!!! great, isn't it!!!! :)

Edit: by the way, Ken, a nice one!!!! ;)

[skytrain10]

Correct Martin:ok: Your control

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks Ken....

Here goes .....

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune11041B.jpg

[skytrain10]

Sometimes best to go the obvious route - Beech 17J?

[Ridge Runner]

That's the one, Ken!! The Beech 17J fighter project!!

You have CONTROL but I have to head home soon!!!!!

RR

[skytrain10]

Thanks Martin....I remembered where I saw it now...Putnam's book on Beech aircraft.

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/0bfb7396.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

:).........

[skytrain10]

I recognise that smile! Welcome back.

[skytrain10]

In case there are any lurkers out there - this is a homebuild.

[skytrain10]

Closing down for the night now - one more clue, 2000's design.

Usual rules apply.

Good night:ok:

[Noyade]

Howdy Doody.

Morrison (Formally Barr) 6...?

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3122/morrison6.gif (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/morrison6.gif/)

[Karlark]

I confirm your kill Noyade in an act of reciprocity :).

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/barr6.jpg

I believe Ken would agree that you have control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Karlark.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3348/fastmj.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/i/fastmj.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme...looks Convair'ish....a design for the B-58?

[Ridge Runner]

this one, mate?

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1489.0;attach=12752;image

[Noyade]

a design for the B-58?
Oh what the heck, after all the trouble I've caused you today...yes. :ok:

The Convair MX1964.

Your control.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/1662/mx1964.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/mx1964.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme - pretty sure I've seen that in a book somewhere..."Convair Advanced Designs" - it's sat on my bookshelf at home!

I'm tied up at present so unless Martin has something to post make it Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

Good afternoon. :)

[skytrain10]

All very quiet, so here's a quick one to get things moving:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/19ba9e9a.jpg

[MReyn24050]

HI David. Out of the sin bin?

[Lightning Mate]

Yes mate. :)

[MReyn24050]

Good.:ok: We missed you.:)

[skytrain10]

Going to be offline shortly for a few hours so usual rules apply during my absence. Will check in again late tonight :ok:

[Karlark]

Good Morning Ken,
Grigorovich ROM-2 sea-scout aircraft?
Open house if it is. :)

[skytrain10]

Grigorovich ROM-2 sea-scout That's the one Karl, well done:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/f4418372.jpg

Karlark has declared Open House

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning/evening all.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/strange-3.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

It looks like a V-1 glider!!!!!!?

[Lightning Mate]

It does a bit, but it isn't a glider. :)

[skytrain10]

Morning David. A flying bomb, or a drone/UAV?

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken.

Not a flying bomb, or a drone/UAV.

[MReyn24050]

Henschel Zitterrochen missile I believe. If correct it will have to be open house as I will be away from the PC.

[Lightning Mate]

That's interesting. I think your reference may be incorrect.

The challenge is not a missile.

[skytrain10]

On the basis of what we have so far, can we assume it's manned? Rocket powered? References have been made to German machines....I'll go another route...Japan?

[Lightning Mate]

It's not manned or powered.

Not Japanese.

RR was on the right track. ;)

[SincoTC]

Morning all :),

I think it's a V1 airframe converted into a towed fuel tank for IFR experiments?

Sorry, I can't stop today, so OH please if correct!

[Lightning Mate]

TC has hit it. :D

It's the Feisler Fi-103 SG-5041 towed fuel tank, based on the V1.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/towedtank.jpg

TC has requested Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/champagne2_1550009c.jpg

[skytrain10]

All terribly quiet, so here is a quick one, if there is anyone around.....

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/31bd1486.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Air dropped, Ken? It otherwise doesn't seem to have enough ground clearance!

[Ridge Runner]

sorry mate, running out of time!!!

un-manned?
High-wing
Drone/UAV?
twin-engined?

[skytrain10]

Air dropped, Ken? It otherwise doesn't seem to have enough ground clearance! No Martin, although not much clearance under the fuselage it takes off and lands from runways.

un-manned? Yes:ok:
High-wing Yes:ok:
Drone/UAV? Yes:ok:
twin-engined? Yes:ok:
4 out of 4 David :ok::ok:

[Ridge Runner]

er ... David!!!!!!!!! :(

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry Ken, I have to go! :(

[skytrain10]

Sorry mate, mean't Martin of course.
Have a good evening:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening Ken. :)

Limited time available this evening, but looking.......

[sabredog]

Boeing Phantom Eye?

[Lightning Mate]

Bugger - just come on line to discover one in my sleeve/portfolio....:uhoh:

[skytrain10]

Boeing Phantom Eye? That's the one sabredog:ok: Must be one of the largest UAV's with a 150ft wing span. Reportedly able to stay airborne for 4 days cruising at 65,000 ft, and powered by 2 Ford 2.3 litre car engines!

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/45b916f7.jpg

sabredog has control

[sabredog]

Thank you,Skytrain10.
It really should go to Ridge Runner, as he asked all the relevant questions.
If you have no objections , over to RR
sabredog.

[skytrain10]

Thanks sabredog, that's kind of you:ok:

However I know that generally RR is not available in the evenings and weekends so I am sure he won't mind me declaring Open House in the circumstances

[SincoTC]

Good morning :),

Apologies for having to call an Open House yesterday, but it's been a very hectic week!

Thanks for the "Bubbly" LM :ok:

Here's something to take the current OH, a project, I think it was flown in model form.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf229.jpg

[skytrain10]

Afternoon Trevor. There's a lot of "tail" there. Looks like a high wing delta? Is this a Lippisch or Horten project?

[SincoTC]

Afternoon Ken,

I would describe it as mid-wing; but it was a Lippisch design!

[Lightning Mate]

Good afternoon to you both.

It certainly looks high wing to me, but the size of the exhaust is enormous compared to the rest of the aeroplane.

Was it therefore a very short-range rocket-propelled machine designed for high altitude?

The canards are also very highly swept, which would indicate old theory/technology for such a design.

[Lightning Mate]

Am I correct in thinking that this was after Lippisch moved to the USA?

[SincoTC]

Afternoon David,

There's not very much info on this one, so I'm not sure about the engine, the photos do show a rather large diameter, but not very long engine of some sort, I suspect that as the photos are of a model, it may have been a ducted-fan unit and possibly not representative of the final installation.

It was indeed a product of his post-war years in the USA working for established companies.

Edit: It was to be a radio controlled interceptor!

The canards are also very highly swept

Not so, that is an illusion caused by very large dihedral angle.

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Trevor.

Was it therefore something from Convair?

Or maybe the Lippisch Collins Drone.

[SincoTC]

maybe the Lippisch Collins Drone

That's the one David :D

Edit to say that I think they may have been experimenting with different designs of canards as I can't reconcile the shape with the orientation!

From 1950–1964, Lippisch worked for the Collins Radio Company in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, which had an aeronautical division. It was during this time that his interest shifted toward ground effect craft. The results were an unconventional VTOL aircraft (an aerodyne) and an aerofoil boat research seaplane X-112, flown in 1963. However, Lippisch contracted cancer, and resigned from Collins.

When he recovered in 1966, he formed his own research company, Lippisch Research Corporation, and attracted the interest of the West German government. Prototypes for both the aerodyne and the ground-effect craft RFB X-113 (1970) then RFB X-114 (1977) were built, but no further development was undertaken. The Kiekhaefer Mercury company was also interested in his ground-effect craft and successfully tested one of his designs as the Aeroskimmer, but also eventually lost interest.
Lippisch died in Cedar Rapids on February 11, 1976

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf229B.jpg

Lightning Mate has control :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Trevor.

I am going out for lunch shortly and will be away for a couple of hours.

That's too long without monitoring so sadly I'll call OH.

edit: of course, in the unlikely event that it's still OH when I get back, I'll throw one up.

[SincoTC]

Thanks David,

Enjoy your lunch, I'm just off home myself now, so will be offline for a while too! Sorry Ken, it looks like you're on your own again :O

[Lightning Mate]

I'll echo that - apologies Ken. :\

Now, where's that lobster........

[SincoTC]

Now, where's that lobster........

Oh Noooooooo, not for me I'm afraid, I like it but it doesn't like me :yuk:, I must have what the geneticist called the shellfish gene!! :)

[skytrain10]

Well the weather has somewhat thwarted my plans for this afternoon, so I'll post something after lunch should LM not have returned by then to take up his OH.

PM for you Trevor.

[skytrain10]

Taking up the Open House:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/6a6ba4f9.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Eleven minutes late back!!!!!!

Do I NB a sesquiplane?

[skytrain10]

Do I NB a sesquiplane? No, but it is a biplane.

[Noyade]

Gents.

American (USA) Ken? Kitplane/Homeuilt? Crystal Ball says possibly late 70's early 80's?

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme...was just about to close down when I saw your post.

USA, yes....homebuilt...well more of a one off really. First flew early 70's.
Manufacturer's name sounds like it should be German:)

Closing down now. Usual rules apply.

Night night.

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Ken.

Is that a Lycoming O&VO-360 by any chance.......................?

[skytrain10]

Morning David....not a Lycoming. Try a Franklin.:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Bugger - I thought for a minute I might have found it.

[skytrain10]

To help you along, it first flew in 1973. Appears to still be current on the US register.

Was to be developed as both a two seat trainer and single seat competition aerobatic aircraft.

[Noyade]

Morning guys. :)

Must be the Merkel Mark II Ken?

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5207/indexus.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/indexus.jpg/)

And if so, must be open house.

[Lightning Mate]

From Aerofiles:

had 180hp Lycoming O-360

Funny old thing that...............

[skytrain10]

Merkel Mk II it is Graeme - fitted with a Franklin engine. MkIIA was to have a Lycoming but was never built.

Noyade has declared Open House

[Lightning Mate]

So that's what confused my two brain cells. :\

The inference on Aerofiles is that is was. Nice challenge.

[Lightning Mate]

I'll keep you company Ken......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/brownwater-1.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day David. How's parole? Nice to see you silhouetting again. :)

Interesting mate. Stuffed with party balloons? Some sort of buoyancy anti-sinking device/experiment.

American?

[SincoTC]

Had internet problems at home over the weekend, so taking an early start opportunity to say

Happy Birthday Lightning Mate!! :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening Graeme.

Good morning TC and many thanks.

Stuffed with party balloons? Some sort of buoyancy anti-sinking
device/experiment.
American?

It was indeed American, and there are conficting reports as to whether it flew or not.

Personally I doubt it, given the absence of conventional wings. ;)

Two engines for different purposes.

[Noyade]

Happy birthday mate. :ok:

given the absence of conventional wings. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wink2.gif

Some sort of water-borne propeller driven torpedo (unmanned and under remote control?) that didn't fly?
The balloons are in fact explosives?

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks mate.

Some sort of water-borne propeller driven torpedo (unmanned and under remote control?) that didn't fly?
The balloons are in fact explosives?

No - it's a manned aeroplane. Standby for photo.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/photo-3.jpg

Go find.........

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Flettner-Rotor.jpg

[skytrain10]

Finally got a chance to look in over lunch.

I love the ship as a clue:ok:

Would it be the Plymounth A-A-2004 developed from the Flettner Rotor Wing?

[Noyade]

Hey, I remember reading about that Rotor Ship in "Speed and Power" many years ago.
I remember also an article on the XB-70 telling readers, amongst other things, that it took the Valkyrie 30 minutes to turn 180 deg. at Mach 3. Always handy to know at trivia nights. :ok:

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1394/442132158623facbf16bz.jpg (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/442132158623facbf16bz.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

I remember also an article on the XB-70 telling readers, amongst other things, that it took the Valkyrie 30 minutes to turn 180 deg. at Mach 3. Blimey, so it would effectively travel 1000 miles to make the turn - that's a turning radius of something like 300 miles! So I quess agility was not it's strong point - still, it was a fantastic machine:)

[Lightning Mate]

Plymounth A-A-2004

No mate - Google the stuff on the side of the ship, and bear in mind you are looking at an aircraft. :ok:

If you wish, standby by for the radius of turn formula. :)

[MReyn24050]

Something to do with Spinning (Cylinder-) Wings perhaps (Magnus effect) similar to the boat you show.?

[Lightning Mate]

Correct Mel.

Read my text clue above and it will take you straight to it.


Google the stuff on the side of the ship, and bear in mind you are looking at an aircraft.

[MReyn24050]

It is the Flettner 921V is it not?

[Lightning Mate]

Bingo. :D

All yours mate. :)

[skytrain10]

Google the stuff on the side of the ship, and bear in mind you are looking at an aircraft. Did all that, found the photo, and found reference to the Plymouth and Mr Flettner's rotor wing! :)

[MReyn24050]

Will have to be Open House I am afraid unless you can convert for me David.

[Lightning Mate]

Did all that, found the photo, and found reference to the Plymouth and Mr Flettner's rotor wing! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Well, I didn't find reference to Plymouth. :\

Under the circumstances I think you and Mel should toss for it then - I can't do much else.

If you both decide in Mels' favour, then yes Mel - I can do one for you.

[MReyn24050]

As I have nothing to hand it is all your Ken.

[skytrain10]

I've got to go out David so control should stay with Mel.....incidentally N921V is the registraton!

[Lightning Mate]

Send challenge Mel.......via PM please.

[MReyn24050]

On its way.

[Lightning Mate]

Received - about 30-40 minutes....

[Lightning Mate]

Done - PM Mel. :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Thanks David here we go:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/mystery-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Another PM Mel.....

[evansb]

University of Toronto's motor-powered ornithopter "Big Flapper" ?

[MReyn24050]

You have it Bri.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/mystery.jpg
You have control.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. Great challenge! Here is the next one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH120416.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like the MD 279-3 PCB fighter.

[skytrain10]

A McDonnell Douglas or BAe advanced Harrier project of some description?

[evansb]

It is a Mcdonnell Douglas project, but if you come up with a project number, you'll get control.

[Lightning Mate]

Plenum Chamber Burning - as per the Harrier.

I have given you the project model above.



The McDonnell Douglas Model 279-3 is a wing/canard design with a 48,800lb
gross weight for a ski-jump take-off. Powerplant is a PCB-equipped Pegasus-type
engine by Pratt & Whitney, associate to Rolls-Royce on the US Marine Corps
AV-8B Harrier II programme. Instead of the raked intakes associated with
supersonic flight, the Model 279-3 has short inlets of the type used
successfully on the AV-8B, but with half-cone centrebodies.

[evansb]

Lightning Mate is correct.:ok: It is indeed the circa 1983 McDonnell Douglas 279-3 project. You have control

[Lightning Mate]

You had me worried there mate!

Many thanks......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/biggear.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Have to go, so usual rules apply if someone gets it.

[Noyade]

From the USA mate?

[Lightning Mate]

Afternoon/evening mate.

Not American - European.

[Lightning Mate]

Not Eastern Europe or Scandinavia. :)

[skytrain10]

Morning David, a quick coffee break. Looks like the Lambach HL.I ?

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken. :)

Deal done - your turn. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks David. Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/a3a99ec2.png

[Lightning Mate]

:uhoh:..........

[Noyade]

Morning gents. :)

Looks familiar Ken. Racer?

[skytrain10]

Looks familiar Ken. Racer? Morning Graeme. Yes it does have "racing looks", but no, built for military purposes.

[Noyade]

Biplane or monoplane mate?

[Lightning Mate]

If it's a monoplane then it looks shoulder wing.

[skytrain10]

Biplane or monoplane mate? Biplane Graeme:ok:

[Noyade]

military purposes.

Fighter?
French?

[Noyade]

Fighter?Curtiss "Liberty Battler"....?

Curtiss CB - fighter (http://www.aviastar.org/air/usa/curtiss_cb.php)

[skytrain10]

Curtiss CB is is Graeme:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/e18b30c8.png

Noyade has control

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken. Sleek looking machine.

Not so sleek....

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2518/img582g.jpg (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/img582g.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Another bipe?

[skytrain10]

That looks familiar...sure I've seen that very recently.....

[Noyade]

Not a biplane David.

[skytrain10]

Not sure it's a biplane David....thinking more of a high wing mono? American Graeme?

[Noyade]

Not American Ken.

[Lightning Mate]

Looks very similar to the Broussard, but the cowling is wrong.

[Noyade]

Cowling might look odd, but it is the Broussard mate. :ok:

Your control David.

[Lightning Mate]

Good grief :eek:.

Standby please........

Easy one.......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/slick.jpg

[skytrain10]

Yes, of course, the Broussard. Now I know what I was trying to remember!

[Lightning Mate]

Graeme, do you want the calculated radius of turn of the Valkyrie?

[Noyade]

Easy one.......

Well, answer the man Ken. :)

(Rocket job - stabilising rails, so ah, hmm, vertical launch?)

[Lightning Mate]

Vertical launch it is mate. :)

[Noyade]

Graeme, do you want the calculated radius of turn of the Valkyrie?

Yes mate! I've got a Trivia Night coming up soon. :ok:

(Have you also got a range figure for a B-17 with 17,600 lb of bombs?)

[Noyade]

The Rocket, looks a tad F-105.....Republic?

[skytrain10]

Well, answer the man Ken. Uh....um....not one I recognise. A project?

[Lightning Mate]

It's not a rocket - at least I think not because it has intakes.

Not Republic.

[Lightning Mate]

Valkyrie...

Assuming M3.0 at 70,000 ft and a true airspeed of around 1800 knots and using 30 degrees of bank:

radius of turn about 80 nautical miles. :)

Uh....um....not one I recognise. A project?

Project ya.

[Noyade]

radius of turn about 80 nautical miles.

Hmmm....won't be able to "corkscrew" when the night-fighters arrive then? :)

Project. British Point-Defence Interceptor (I think you guys were into that early post-war). Piloted. Rocket to reach speed, then jets take over.

How'd I go?

[Lightning Mate]

Nein mein freund. ;)

Check PM.

[Noyade]

Nein mein freund.

Oh dear...not Luft '46?

[Lightning Mate]

Not in Luft 46.

....who, Me Sir?....

[Noyade]

Where were we?...

American?

[Lightning Mate]

Nein, nicht Amerikan.

Have to go and invigilate an examination.

Here's a re-post to avoid back-paging.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/slick.jpg

I say again - ....who, Me Sir?....

[SincoTC]

OK, OK, I get the massage :)

I think it's the Messerschmitt Me X1-21 Tailsitter ??

First chance of a look in since Monday (internet down at home and up to my eyes in it at work :ugh:), off into a meeting in a couple of minutes and not sure when I can get back, so Open House please if correct! All lights are off at the moment anyway :O

[Lightning Mate]

I think it's the Messerschmitt Me X1-21 Tailsitter ??

Nice shot TC. :D

TC has requested Open House (unless he can get back soon).

[Lightning Mate]

....schhhhhh

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/so-quiet-you-could-hear-a-pin-drop.jpg

[skytrain10]

Before that pin makes too much noise, as its OH:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/88741f84.jpg