Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[Lightning Mate]

Yes Mel - you are correct.

However, there are ways of defeating Google images and on our "other" thread it's impossible to use the facility, and it has restored the fun to solving challenges.

[Lightning Mate]

Good grief.

The last challenge here was three weeks ago!!

[MReyn24050]

We certainly do not want this thread to die so here is something to hopefully keep the heart beating:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/newchallenge_zps0ed9e15f.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Mel.

The sinister men in black...are they Americans?

[MReyn24050]

They certainly are Graeme.

[Noyade]

The internet is an awesome thing Mel. Rarely does it help me with challenges like yours and that Aerofiles search engine is a dead loss in my opinion.

But the internet was kind to me this morning...:ok:

http://i46.tinypic.com/27x3q09.jpg

[MReyn24050]

You have it Graeme. I agree the internet is an incredible system. You have control.
Mel

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel.

http://i50.tinypic.com/25atfs5.jpg
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/599/img798v.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/img798v.jpg/)

[MReyn24050]

Your welcome Graeme. Your latest, an aircraft from the Turkish Air Force perhaps?

[Karlark]

THK-15?

Same as a MKEK-4 Uğur, I THinK

[Noyade]

Well done Karl. Your Control. :ok:

From what I've read it was the THK.15 in the beginning, but after the war THK became under-utilised and ended up making bathroom fittings and filing cabinets and was sold to MKEK - Makina ve Kimya Endüstisi Kurumu - the National Founation for Promoting Machinery and Chemical Industries. So then we had the MKEK Model 4 Ugur ("Good Omen" or "Good Luck"). Just a useless bit of trivia for ya. :)

Cheers

http://i49.tinypic.com/dgrq6b.jpg

[Karlark]

Thanks Graeme. All I have to offer is a little boat:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2013%20March/36_zps3c00ec6d.jpg

[Noyade]

Hi Karl.

I've ruled out the USA, I think...maybe Italy?

[heshamh]

French,FBA ?.

[Karlark]

Not Italian or French... don't rule out USA. :)

[ICT_SLB]

The cockpit is different to the mailplane version but it looks like a Boeing B-1. There's meant to be one in Lake Washington - the owner brought it back to the Renton plant and it got crushed by the log boom.
OH in the unlikely event I'm right as it will be well past my bedtime.

[Noyade]

Same here mate. I had a look at the Boeing but it doesn't seem to fit, exactly? I also tried Curtiss, in particular the F model, but again there are differences...

http://i46.tinypic.com/264jjie.jpg

[Karlark]

Not Boeing or Curtiss.

A much lesser known manufacturer. The aircraft is in Aerofiles, however the exact photo is not.

[evansb]

Ireland Amphibion ?

[Karlark]

Hello Brian. The Ireland does look very similar but is not the one.

You could almost call the challenge aircraft a "metal-clad" close copy of one mentioned a little earlier.

[evansb]

Rogers RBX Sea Eagle (original 150-hp Hisso powered version)?

[Karlark]

Rogers RBX Sea Eagle (original 150-hp Hisso powered version)Yes. That is exactly the one.:ok:

evansb control

[evansb]

Thank you. An enjoyable challenge. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/c325e9f1-e157-4379-9ddd-e4e2f5e5da90_zps000f42c6.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Brian.

The Consolidated PB2Y Coronado?

[evansb]

Too right! :ok: It is indeed a Consolidated Coronado. Your turn.

[Noyade]

Thanks mate. Some distortion with this one...

http://i49.tinypic.com/34xgirs.jpg

[Noyade]

Another shot, hopefully you can read the rego.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2h7qec5.jpg

[Karlark]

Hi Graeme. It appears to be a Micco 26, according to the reg no. A little blurry but I got it on the third try. :)

[Noyade]

A little blurry but I got it on the third try. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Well done mate! :ok:

Your control.

[Karlark]

Thanks! (I meant to say SP26)

Here is the next offering:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2013%20April/31_zpsd1ebfca8.jpg

[Karlark]

...it set a world record in its category.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2013%20April/34_zpseceb0e50.jpg

[heshamh]

Hi Karlark,

Italian?.

[Karlark]

Hi Hesham. This one is again from the USA. The registration number is missing an "X".

[carson1934]

It's the Prest Baby Pursuit from 1929 (USA). I found it out just by checking the registration number....
Cheers
carson1934

[Karlark]

Prest Baby Pursuit

That's the one. :D

carson1934's control :ok:

[carson1934]

[IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/2585buf.jpg[/
that's my proposition, this time an older item.....
carson1934

[Karlark]

Danton racing biplane?
Open House if correct.

[carson1934]

Yes Karlark that's what it is.....
Your turn or whoever picks it up....
carson1934

[heshamh]

Hi,

so easy aircraft;

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz37/heshamh/untitled_zpsead9170f.jpg

[carson1934]

Is this guy by any chance a Percheron 18? If so would you have some information about it?
carson1934

[heshamh]

Yes it is Percheron DP.18 Carson,

all I know about it,it was intended to compete in HR.3 competition
for three seat recce float seaplane,the main tenders in this contest
is;

Levasseur PL-3,Nieuport NiD-35,CAMS-32R,Percheron DP.18,Besson MB.24
& MB.26 and LeO H-10.

You have the control.

[carson1934]

Good afternoon!
this is my proposal:
http://i45.tinypic.com/5dqiwn.jpg
carson1934http://i45.tinypic.com/5dqiwn.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

I believe I posted that one somewhere before and it's in my archives.

Berg & Storm monoplane.

[carson1934]

Hard to find something that wasn't posted before....
Yes it is the danish Berg&Storm monoplane of 1911 (n.3 I believe)...
Your turn of course
carson1934

[Lightning Mate]

I'm busy trying to solve three other challenges at the moment, so Open House please.

[Noyade]

http://i46.tinypic.com/30shxtx.jpg

[heshamh]

Hi Noyade,

Europe ?.

[Noyade]

Hi Hesham.

From the USA...

http://i47.tinypic.com/ok1hdv.jpg

[Karlark]

The light bulb flickered a little with the clue.... Bellanca Skyrocket II?

[Noyade]

Apologies for the delay Karl. You are correct. :ok:

Your control.

[Karlark]

Thanks Graeme.
Open house.

[heshamh]

Hi all,

here is an aircraft,actually built.

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz37/heshamh/B_zpsf3e1e189.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Bellanca CD Tractor Biplane?

[heshamh]

You are very close Lightning;

it was Bellanca CE.

You have the control.

[Lightning Mate]

Open House.

[MReyn24050]

A long lost thread. Perhaps this might put some life into it:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Sillhouettequiz31_zps8298cc97.jpg

[irishair2001]

:ok: Glad the thread has restarted,so here goes, Is it Bleriot-Spad 27 commercial biplane?:)

[MReyn24050]

Thanks irishair2001, right manufacturer wrong aircraft I am afraid.

[Lightning Mate]

Model 54..

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was not the Berliot-Spad 54. It was the Bleriot-Spad 34 which was a a French twin-seat, single-engine biplane flight training aircraft designed in 1920. The side-by-side seating arrangement was unique for its time. 150 aircraft were built, 125 for the French Air Force, who used them until 1936.
The Finnish Air Force purchased two S.34s in 1921. Due to inadequate maintenance they did not last long and were withdrawn from service by 1925.

However The Spad 54 was a derivative of the Bleriot-Spad 34 and very similar and I am sure would appear identical looking at it from the rear as in. challenge image.

Therefore Dqavid you have control.

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Mel.

If I may, I'll donate this to irishair because he got things on to the right path for me.

[MReyn24050]

No action so I take it is open house. here is one to go on with:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/challenge1_zps285f9845.jpg

[evansb]

Caudron C-600 ?

[MReyn24050]

Bri, this aircraft was certainly based on the C600 but was not a Caudron aircraft.

[carson1934]

Good afternoon
I have it as the Rayack 43 a trainer built in Lebanon by the Forces Aériennes de la France Libre.
I hope to be on the right path
carson1934

[MReyn24050]

You have it carson the Rayack-43. You have control, although Bri did identify the type the aircraft was based on.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Rayack-43_zpsa940680b.jpg
The Mechanical Engineering Department at the University of Balamand was involved in researching the Lebanese aviation heritage since the arrival of the first aeroplane to Lebanon in 1913 up until the modern times. During its
investigations, the Department discovered that a series of light training aeroplanes were built at the air base of Rayak in the Beka’a valley in 1943. This was a major finding which, without the efforts of the Department,
would have been lost forever, thus depriving Lebanon from a main aspect of its technological history. The type was named Rayack-43 after the place and year of manufacture, and was constructed by French and Lebanese personnel during the French mandate This aircraft was based on the Caudron C600-Aiglon. The prototype was flown in March 1944.

[carson1934]

Thanks gentlemen,
I hope this thread is soon going to be revived with the help of all concerned....
Therefore here's my offer which should be very easy for your goodselves....
Cheers
Carson1934
http://i40.tinypic.com/2z5vj7m.png

[MReyn24050]

The Ruhrtaler Ru 3 perhaps?
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/RuhrtalerRu3_zpsc2ed3c6b.jpg

[carson1934]

Yessir that's what it is the Ruhrtaler RU3:D
your turn please
Carson1934

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Carson, interesting and rare aircraft. Here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Challenge3_zps368a2a03.jpg

[Noyade]

Morning Mel. The Bernard H.V.41?

[MReyn24050]

Hi graeme.
Just one out, it is the Bernard HV42. You have control.:ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel. Here's an easy one in return...

http://i42.tinypic.com/2n85v1z.jpg

[pjac]

How about a 700 series Viscount?

[Noyade]

Viscount

That's all I'm after mate. Your control pjac. :ok:

[pjac]

I've nothing to offer, so open house

[evansb]

Almost a silhouette:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/ebde21ab-bbea-4e65-84c0-eae120d298bd_zpsc5e07390.jpg

[irishair2001]

Republic RC-3 Seabee..........If correct i declare OH as i dont know how to post pics on here

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Republic RC-3 Seabee. Very close though..

[Lightning Mate]

Spencer Air Car.

[heshamh]

May be French.

[Lightning Mate]

It's not French, it's the Air Car.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/aircar006-640_zps868e1fdb.gif

[evansb]

Yes, LM is correct.:ok: the Spencer S-12 Air Car. It evolved into the Republic Seabee. A refined Spencer Air Car was available again the late 1960s and early 1970s.http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/spenceraircar_zpsaec86940.jpg

LM has control.

[Lightning Mate]

Not a single question asking for a clue in three days.

Challenge withdrawn.

[evansb]

Not a silhouette, but a challenge nonetheless:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/2213cbaa-50fc-4fb3-ab99-8a6f52328145_zps02d680dd.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

You buggah!

I had that stored in my ready to go folder for another site, so cover has been broken.

It's the jet-powered project version of the Bandeirante.

[evansb]

LM is spot on:ok:. Your control.

[Lightning Mate]

Here ye go.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Copy2_zps3cd5f1f2.jpg

[irishair2001]

Looks a bit like the Soko Kraguj...............but the tail is too streamlined !

[Lightning Mate]

You're fight irishaire, but it isn't that.

[Rosevidney1]

Looks like an unsuccessful candidate for the Q planes trials during the Vietnam war.

[evansb]

Well, it is not in my "JANE'S POCKET BOOK OF LIGHT AIRCRAFT" so I'm giving up looking any further.

[Lightning Mate]

This aeroplane is from Finland.

[MReyn24050]

PIK-15 Hinu perhaps?

[Lightning Mate]

Why on earth did that take you four days Mel?

Back to you. :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Must give others a chance.:) Will post one later. However open house if someone has one ready.

[MReyn24050]

Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Challenge4a_zpsa8144f6e.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Mel.

The Tupolev ANT-44...?

http://i40.tinypic.com/2dhsd9j.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Good Day to you Graeme. Hope you are well. It is most certainly the ANT-44 :D. You did not fall for the old missing inner engine trick. :ok: You have control.

[Noyade]

Evening Mel. All good thanks, hope life is also treating you well.

You did not fall for the old missing inner engine trick. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gifActually mate, I did. You'd be ashamed of me if I told you some of the machines I thought it was! :(:).
I didn't see this on your list....

http://i43.tinypic.com/282gv4j.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Looks like a radial engine version of the Bristol M.R.1 but I cannot find any evidence if they produced such a bird.

However, forget that as it must be the ugly Armstrong-Whitworth Wolf.

[MReyn24050]

List updated today up to and including 31 July 2013. Unfortunately the Mods in their wisdom have decided that this thread should no longer be a "Sticky". I will endeavour to try to keep it on the same page.
Mel

[Noyade]

it must be the ugly Armstrong-Whitworth Wolf. It is Mel. I'm sorry for the delay mate - I seem to have trouble staying on my bicycle lately! Fell off on Wednesday and only got home today post-theatre. Typing is tough.

Thanks for being patient with the patient! Your control! :ok:

Cheers
Graeme.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2v10uh4.jpg

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon Graeme,

Ouch!!!:ooh:

Glad to see they've let you out, good job you landed on yer head mate, might have done some serious damage otherwise :p:)

Take care now and easy on the typing :ok:

[MReyn24050]

As Trevor says in response to Graeme's photograph "Ouch" :{. Perhaps you should put those stabilizers back on you Bike Graeme.

Rather than hold the show up I will have to declare Open House at present. If no-one comes forward will post one later.
Mel

[evansb]

Not a silhouette, but a challenge none-the-less:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/2722L-11_zps6e059af4.jpg

[John Hill]

ConVairCar Model 118 flying car, with the car etc away to pick up a pizza.:)

[evansb]

John Hill is spot on:ok: Your turn.

[John Hill]

Open house!

[SincoTC]

One for the OH,

If you know where to look, you should find it fairly quickly :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf268_zps274d122d.jpg

[evansb]

The ACME Anser.

[SincoTC]

The ACME Anser

The ACME Anser was an amphibious twin-jet utility aircraft that was developed in the United States by Air Craft Marine Engineering in 1958. Its name was a contraction of Analytic Services, a company that contributed to the design. The project was cancelled before the prototype was complete

That's the one! Well done :D

evansb has control :ok:

[evansb]

Thank you! Here is another challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/ce7942ce-e410-4a6c-a12b-785fae1a3b7a_zpscbcef2d3.jpg

[papabravowhiskey]

Since the front looks Trident-ish, I'd say DH122 - intended to compete with the VC10

PBW

[evansb]

Sorry PBW, not the D.H. 122...

[Lightning Mate]

So, a project I assume.

[evansb]

Yes, a project that never went beyond the drawing board. Just like the ACME Anser.

[Lightning Mate]

American ?

[evansb]

Not Yankee. PBW was quite close, actually.. The image graces the cover of a book.

[Lightning Mate]

Vickers V1000 ?

[evansb]

Not Vickers...

[Lightning Mate]

But British ?

[papabravowhiskey]

I haven't seen piccies of the DH 118/119/120/122 projects. I thought that the 118 was the "Comet 5", but I suppose this could be it. I've read that the 119 was a project for BEA, and the 120 was BEA/BOAC. Try DH 118?

[evansb]

PBW is correct.:ok: The D.H. 118. Designed for B.O.A.C in 1957. You have control.

[papabravowhiskey]

I'm afraid I have nothing to offer at present. Open House please!

[papabravowhiskey]

http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/pbwhittle1/media/Test_zps9c246507.jpg.htmlhttp://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/pbwhittle1/Test_zps9c246507.jpg
Success!

[papabravowhiskey]

If you need a clue: Europe

[SincoTC]

Success!
Last edited by papabravowhiskey; 13th Aug 2013 at 18:42. Reason: Mucking about

Well done :ok: 'Tiz easy once you get the hang of it :)

New challenge - may be easy

Or maybe not!! This did fly, not a project?

French maybe? Renault engine?

[papabravowhiskey]

French, yes: Renault engine, no: project, yes: built, no.
Projected engine was an Argus.

[SincoTC]

Thanks for the prompt response, don't wait up though, I'm off to bed now, gotta be up again at five :eek:

A trainer presumably, was the engine to be French too, four or six pot?

Thanks for that engine info :ok:

[papabravowhiskey]

A further hint: the designer is one of the most well-known in French light aircraft.

[Lightning Mate]

PBW,

Please check PMs.

[VX275]

There is a hint of Jodel in that back end (and the upturned wing tips)

[papabravowhiskey]

You are on the right lines. Not a Jodel per se - so is it Jo or Del?

[papabravowhiskey]

I am having to travel for the rest of the day - will try and look in but if people get bored, please OH.

PBW

[SincoTC]

Hi PBW,

Just having a look before bed and all I can find is an unbuilt project by Jean Delemontez. However, it is called a Jodel in the article I found and the dihedral mentioned is not as per the drawing!!

Perhaps these are errors and it was called the Delemontez D12 ??

The Jodel D12 was a project study for a tandem two seat all metal aircraft carried out by Jean Delemontez. The wing planform was similar to the D11 but the dihedral began at the wing root. The empennage had an all flying rudder similar to the D11 and a rectangular tailplane and elevator. The engine was to be ex German 240 hp Argus As10C. It was never built.

Some parts fit your clues others don't :O What year was it? Is the drawing on the web?

[papabravowhiskey]

The Delemontez D12 it is. You have control.
PBW

[SincoTC]

Thanks PBW, nice challenge, interesting to track down, but any images still elude me!

Here's the next one, which is lavishly illustrated on the Internet :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf269_zpsa2bfad3a.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Transport or bomber?

[Noyade]

G'day Trevor. Fokker mate? F.XXII or FXXXVI.

Bloody Romans - what have they ever done for us?!

[Lightning Mate]

I didn't know the Roman Empire extended to Australia!

[SincoTC]

Hi guys,

Logged on to answer LM and saw Graeme's post

Fokker mate? F.XXII or FXXXVI.

Bloody Romans - what have they ever done for us?!

Well it seems they taught Fosters how to spell BEER (XXXX if that's what it is??) :)

'Tiz indeed the Fokker F.36 (in proper English), well done :D

Fokker F.XXXVI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_F.XXXVI)

Noyade has Control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor - they look very similar.

Yes David, they were here - quickly, tell me what year this monster is...:)

http://i39.tinypic.com/f1dtuo.jpg

I didn't consult the list with this one...
(Edit: Just checked, can't see it listed. :ok:)

http://i39.tinypic.com/28h2xb9.jpg

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

they were here - quickly, tell me what year this monster is...

Do you mean the large aeroplane or the monument? :)

The latter is in Oz Roman and = 1929 and I think the silhouette is MDCCCCXXII, or as I wuz taught MCMXXII (if it's what I think it is) ;)

I'm having an early night, so I'll hang fire on calling it now and see if anyone else gets it while I :zzz: or before I get my arse in gear tomorrow :)

[Noyade]

The latter is in Oz Roman and = 1929

Well done mate! :ok: We stood under that and my son asked me what year it is - I said, "well of course it's...hang on....gimme a minute...I was really good at this in school...gimme another minute...bloody Romans!!"

[India Four Two]

Well it seems they taught Fosters how to spell BEER (XXXX if that's what it is??) http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

No, Fosters know perfectly well that BEER is spelled Lager. It's the boys in the Deep North - Castlemaine Perkins in Brisbane - who can't spell. ;)

"Make it a Fourex, Mate!"

[SincoTC]

No, Fosters know perfectly well that BEER is spelled Lager. It's the boys in the Deep North - Castlemaine Perkins in Brisbane - who can't spell.


Strewth Simon, you're right there mate, I was going to say Aussies, but changed it to Fosters, obviously brain not in gear :O

"Make it a Fourex, Mate!"

Have one on me Mate, but to please my old schoolteacher, make it an XL :)

BTW, talking of forty, do you know what happened with WD's 1 to 39, before they hit success with WD40 ??

Apologies for the thread drift; back to Graeme's Challenge!!

Hoping brain and arse now in gear, I reckon it's the long nosed Boulton Paul P.12 Bodmin made for Postal duties ?

[Noyade]

Boulton Paul P.12 BodminThat's the one Trevor! Your control :ok:

The original. Weird looking machine with the engines in the fuselage ....

http://i43.tinypic.com/2a5dmk0.jpg

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme,

Nice challenge mate :ok:

Indeed it was an odd looking and one with an engine-room!

Here's the next one:
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf270_zps1c3855bf.jpg

[Noyade]

Morning Trevor.

Renard R-37?

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme,

Yes, it is the Belgian Renard R.37 well done :D

Former unfinished R.36 evaluation aircraft completed with a 1100hp (823kW) Gnome-Rhône 14N-21 radial engine, aircraft captured by German forces in May 1940.

Back to you again :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor!

Next one...

http://i44.tinypic.com/35d21pt.jpg

[evansb]

Piaggio FN.305 ?

[Noyade]

Sorry Brian, turns out I already used this before here...back in 2009. No mate, not Italian...

http://i42.tinypic.com/29woc3m.jpg

http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/461976-challenge-203.html#post7995682

[evansb]

Looks a wee bit like this, doesn't it?
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/7586115270_fcbd352b2b_c1_zpsa5b5c315.jpg

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

It certainly does look a "wee bit" like the Piaggio, but I think it looks more like the Marcoux-Bromberg Special :-)

http://aerofiles.com/marcoux.jpg

[Noyade]

Looks a wee bit like this, doesn't it?It does mate....I think a lot of the racers of that time did.

Marcoux-Bromberg SpecialBut that's what it is. Well done Trevor, control is yours. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme,

Nice challenge :ok:

Here's a nice looking little aeroplane that didn't make it off the drawing board :sad:

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf271_zps55548971.jpg

[Noyade]

Hello Trevor. From the USA?

[SincoTC]

Not from the USA Graeme!

[Noyade]

Truly wild stab....British Project?

[SincoTC]

You're good at stabbing tonight mate :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Hi
Trevor. I believe that might be the Essex Aero Sprite?
Mel

[SincoTC]

Good morning Mel,

You believe correctly, it is indeed the Essex Aero Sprite, well done :D

http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1947/1947%20-%200799.PDF

You have control sir :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Good Morning Trevor.
Many thanks. Some very interesting information contained the the Flight Archives. My first thoughts, after Graeme had identified the aircraft as being a British Project, was possibly a Miles Project but nothing found in Don Brown's book "Miles Aircraft Since 1925". Next search was on Flight Archives for "Butterfly Tailplanes" and there she was. Great Challenge.
This one I am sure will cause no problems:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Airquiz36_zps2b73d3d1.jpg

[SincoTC]

Thanks Mel,

Afraid that I've not had much free time today to look at your Parasol. Immediate impression was of a Morane-Saulnier of some kind, but now I don't think it can be a M-S as closer inspection reveals N type struts and cabanes (although I haven't trawled all of them), but the "house-style" doesn't fit, but is it French?

How many seats, it looks like there are two foot-boards so a trainer maybe?

Is there a radial lurking in the silhouette?

[MReyn24050]

Trevor. My source says it is a Morane-Saulnier of some kind.

[Noyade]

Morning Mel.

Morane-Saulnier of some kind.

Somewhere between the MS.340 and MS.345 maybe?

[SincoTC]

it is a Morane-Saulnier of some kind

Thanks Mel, I should have stuck with gut instinct and trawled deeper :)

Somewhere between the MS.340 and MS.345 maybe?

I think you're probably correct there Graeme, although not the 345 as that had a single strut according to Airwar. However, why should I believe them!! I found a photo of a 340 with N struts but it only showed one wing, Wiki had no photo so I checked Airwar and it looked good but the text said it had 180 deg wing sweep (= unswept in bad translation), I though bugger and went to bed, I should have read Wiki, where it said 18 deg sweep, so it was a typo and not bad translation, although I should have looked closer at the Airwar photo, where you can see it's swept :ugh:

[MReyn24050]

Well Trevor as you say you should have stuck with your gut instinct. graeme went for Somewhere between the MS.340 and MS.345 maybe? .
My source states it is a MS.341.

You have control Graham.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel and thanks Trevor - I was initially on a German and Jap crusade.

Next...

http://i42.tinypic.com/303bvpj.jpg

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme,

Not had much time to look for this and no luck in trying to zoom/fiddle with the image to resolve some unclear details!

What are those two objects above the top wing? Just three engines? Wassat at the back, a biplane tail or a tree? 1920's American??

[Noyade]

G'day Trevor.

What are those two objects above the top wing?Dunno mate. :(

Just three engines?Yep.

Wassat at the back, a biplane tail or a tree?
Should be just a reasonably but much braced conventional tail...

http://i40.tinypic.com/23j68m8.jpg

American?? No mate, see above. :)

1920sYes mate -1923.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Mate,

Aviafrance has been on the blink since Sunday evening; it looks a bit ominous :(

I'll have to resort to a certain Russian site next, but that doesn't search by dates, that fin has a Potez look about it so I'll start there, but it will have to wait 'til lunch time now!

[Noyade]

Aviafrance has been on the blink since Sunday evening; it looks a bit ominous http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/sowee.gif

Yes, it's not looking good.

I'll have to resort to a certain Russian site

Yes, both photos I have used are from there.

Potez

Superb choice! :ok:

[SincoTC]

fin has a Potez look about it so I'll start there, but it will have to wait 'til lunch time now!

Oh well, busy afternoon, no lunch and late supper!! :ooh: Picking up the search again, I think it's an airliner, the Potez XXII ??

[Noyade]

Potez XXIIThat's the one mate - well done, again. :ok:
Your control.
Good to see Avisfrance is back online...
Potez XXII - Potez 22 - Transport civil - Un siècle d'aviation française (http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance1.php?ID=5360&ID_CONSTRUCTEUR=1057&ANNEE=0&ID_MISSION=0&MOTCLEF=)

Potez XIX Bombardier LourdSorry Brian, it does look similar, and just as ugly.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme,

Good challenge!

Here's the next one:
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf272_zps2d6470aa.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Trevor!

The Gloucestershire Gannet?

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon Graeme,

Oh well, that was short and sweet, it is the quite diminutive Gloucestershire Gannet Light 'Plane, well done :D


fuselage | form | centre section | 1923 | 0609 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1923/1923%20-%200609.html)

Noyade has control again :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor, but I'm going to make it open house - see if we can entice someone else to post.

Cheers. :)

[SincoTC]

Plenty of lookers (850 in last two days), but still no takers then!! :confused:

Well; seeing as I've got others up to monitor, I might as well see if we can keep it staggering along in poor old Heikki's memory :sad:

Finding clues to what struts are lurking in the silhouette is going to prove a challenge ;)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf273_zpsa6300b7f.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

It's not a tripe is it?

[SincoTC]

Hi LM,

It's not a tripe is it?

No tripe, it's all bipe :)

[irishair2001]

Might it be the Berliner-Joyce YIP-16

[SincoTC]

Hello irishair,

Might it be the Berliner-Joyce YIP-16

I'm afraid not, but you are on the right continent :)

[irishair2001]

Douglas M-2

[SincoTC]

hello irishair,

Not a Douglas and it's not from the USA!!

Note what I said last night but you are on the right continent

[Noyade]

Not a Douglas and it's not from the USA!!Aha!....:)

http://i39.tinypic.com/iml4ix.jpg

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

That's the one mate, well done!!

The Curtiss-Reid Rambler

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor. I had spent some time (not too much :)) looking at the USA.
I'm gonna tone down the difficulty factor and present this...

http://i40.tinypic.com/25gcu1g.jpg

[carson1934]

Good afternoon!
Maybe Breguet 530 "Saigon"...?
Carson

[Noyade]

Breguet 530 "Saigon"

That's the one Carson, your control. :ok:

[carson1934]

Thanks Noyade.
Unfortunately I must declare OH being on the way and obviously deprived of any substantial documentation.
I beg for your indulgence and please carry on
Carson1934

[heshamh]

I miss you all my friends,

so I start again with a big challenge,a project.

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz37/heshamh/D-31_zpsc6ebcecb.jpg

[heshamh]

Hi,

it was from USA.

[evansb]

North American COIN/LARA proposed design ?

[heshamh]

No my dear Evansb,

it was a fighter.

[heshamh]

I will go outside for a while,

the last thing,it was a night fighter,and the name of its company
is between A to D letters.

[heshamh]

It was Bell D-31 night fighter project,intended to compete Douglas
F3D Skynight.

Open House.

[heshamh]

Hi guys,where are you,

anther project,but so easy;

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz37/heshamh/b-20_zps7a397c56.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Boeing B20.

[heshamh]

Yes Lightning,

you have the control.

[Lightning Mate]

Shukran.

Open House.

[SincoTC]

A silhouette to test the onlookers :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf274_zps0ea6a06f.jpg

[Karlark]

Hello TC, is a Short Bomber... or Short at all?

[SincoTC]

Hi Karl,

Not a Short machine and not really in the "Bomber" category :)

[Noyade]

British Trevor?

[SincoTC]

Hi Graeme,

Yes mate, it's British!

[Noyade]

Morning Trevor.

The Coventry Ordnance Biplane 1912 Model 10?

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon Graeme,

Coventry Ordnance Biplane 1912 Model 10

Holy COW, that's the one mate:D well done!!

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor. I couldn't figure out the tail for quite a while. :)

In return, here's another British biplane....

http://i42.tinypic.com/9sgyyr.jpg

[Noyade]

Harry Hawker set a British altitude record of 18,393 ft with this aircraft on June 6 1915...

[SincoTC]

Hi Graeme,

Thanks for the clue, I'm sorry that I can't follow it up at the moment because of a very heavy work commitment and I don't want to stall the thread with another Open House.

Fellow PPruners, I note from the figures on the main page that over 800 of you have looked at this thread since Saturday and in case there's any misunderstanding, this Challenge is open to all, it is not a "closed shop", all someone need to do is to cut and paste the clue above into your favourite search engine to reveal the answer, log on and post the answer and if you are really unable to post then request an OH when confirmed correct. However, it would be much better to post something (even if it has been used before, as to find that there is some life out there would at least give some encouragement to carry on)!! We are doing our best Heikki, but I guess that you must be close to nMax spinning in your grave :(

So Noyade, please just leave it up and see what happens :)

[Lightning Mate]

Hear hear TC.

With that clue it's very easy to identify.

I suppose people have just lost interest.

I wish Heikki was still around.

[irishair2001]

I was going to suggest The Royal Aircraft Factory R.E. 7, but your clue leads me to to the Sopwith 1 Stru er,would love dearly to keep this thread alive and will try to answer one way or the other,unfortunately i dont know how to post pics or sils on here

[SincoTC]

Thanks for support LM :ok:

Dunno why the interest has waned, all too busy playing with FaceBook on their 'phones I guess :ugh:

Hi Irishair,

would love dearly to keep this thread alive and will try to answer one way or the other, unfortunately i dont know how to post pics or sils on here

There was a "stickY" thread describing what to do, but the Mods Unstuck it a while back. it can be found in the archives, but it contains only a few useful hints and a lot of important points are missed.

However, it is a lot easier than you'd think and will not cost a penny. I'll write up a description of what I do and the free software I use and post it as a new thread, who knows, the Mods might even make it a sticky, but I'll not hold my breath :)

Meanwhile we await Noyade's judgment

[Noyade]

Sopwith 1 Stru erThe Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter? At this stage that's good enough for me mate.....:)

There is certainly a connection if you look at wiki but the name Sopwith gave this machine was the Sigrist Bus. However my source unlike wiki says he made the altitude flight the following day?

Sopwith 1½ Strutter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_1%C2%BD_Strutter)

In December 1914, the Sopwith Aviation Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Aviation_Company) designed a small, two seat biplane powered by an 80 hp (60 kW) Gnome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome_Engine_Company) rotary engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_engine), which became known as the "Sigrist Bus" after Fred Sigrist, Sopwith's Works Manager. The Sigrist Bus first flew on 5 June 1915, and although it set a new British altitude record on the day of its first flight, only one was built, serving as a company runabout.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_1%C2%BD_Strutter#cite_note-Bruce_RFC_p499-2)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_1%C2%BD_Strutter#cite_note-Jarrett_database_p56-3)Your control irishair2001...

[heshamh]

Some fresh air.

[evansb]

identify the mystery aircraft silhouette:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/f_zps52918ddd.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Distinctive glazing and fin.

IAR823.

[evansb]

LM is correct.:ok: Your control.

[Lightning Mate]

OH please.

[TheiC]

Hmmm...

Another distinctive google image search result there, too. Coincidence, I'm sure.

[evansb]

Probably. If one chooses to take the easy route, fine. I, for one, enjoy the hunt. Isn't that the reason why we do this?
Here is another challenge (if one chooses to make it so..):

http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b477/gumpjr_bucket/926d4e58-2a2f-487a-87ef-bd18cf3d2503.jpg

[TheiC]

I, for one, enjoy the hunt. Isn't that the reason why we do this?


'+1' to that; there's no sportsmanship otherwise, though the bird flushed unexpectedly into tricky skies is always the fondest memory of the shoot.

[Noyade]

IAR823. G'day Brian! Nice silhouette image there mate. I immediately thought North American Mooney sortathing and even SAAB Safir-ish - but no luck. Eventually I tracked it down in an old military encyclopedia....these machines are a lot older than I first thought. I was too slow, but I can't waste the image...:)

http://i41.tinypic.com/ams8cg.jpg

Anyway - my hunch now is that you "Remain in Romaina" and since my Jane's recognition manuals failed me badly with the IAR-823 I turned to Observer's. I can't vouch for your top view but the front view looks right?

http://i44.tinypic.com/29z76yu.jpg

But if it is, it must be Open House as I'm away till next week.
Cheers.

[evansb]

Noyade is spot on. :ok: The forlorn IAR-824, (ICA IS-24), it is. Designer Radu Manicatide did superb work though.. The IAR-824 would have worked well for certain Canadian operators. Too bad, so sad.

Lovely period-shot of the IAR-823! The patina of the photograph captures the feel of the era.

As the Aussie says, it is OPEN HOUSE.

[evansb]

To keep this brilliant thread moving, here is another one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/look_you_cheeters_zpsfb825a52.jpg

[irishair2001]

Yakolev-15

[evansb]

Not a Yak. Try again.

[Noyade]

A very interesting photo mate!

Like the Irish I too thought it was some sort of Russian tail-dragger, a Yak or even an experimental Lavochkin with the cockpit way at the back, but there's no sign of a jet exhaust outlet at the bottom of the fuselage? No luck there, so off to Germany for a quick look at Messerschmitt's 209 machines. Nothing similar there either, so late last night I went to Japan briefly - looking at those experimental machines with the cockpit further back and big engines - again no luck. Went to bed.

So this morning I had a closer look at your photo and I think I'm seeing more detail in the light...:)

http://i40.tinypic.com/x4184y.jpg

It's now looking a lot like the Yokosuka R2Y? - but I'm not sure why I don't see a pilot's head in the cockpit?

[Lightning Mate]

Jap ?.....

[carson1934]

Good evening gentlemen
I don't think Noyade needs my confirmation as he's infinitely superior to me in aviation and aircraft pics (he's lecturing at University and I'm still in the elementary school or just about there) however I have in my modest archive (for what it's worth) exactly the same photo tagged Yokosuka R2Y "Keiun"
Cheers
Carson1934

[evansb]

Noyade is correct. The Yokosuka R2Y. He has control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Brian. Here's the next one...

http://i42.tinypic.com/2hpk5eo.jpg

[Noyade]

A photo clue...

http://i39.tinypic.com/28jfklu.jpg

[evansb]

The Swiss built FWA AS 32T ?

[Noyade]

G'day Brian.

No mate, not Swiss. I remain in Romania...

[ICT_SLB]

An early F-15 and a rare B1-A in the background (Edwards AFB?) but what it is in front...

[Noyade]

And here's the side view.
Wiki says only one built...

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zwzo5y.jpg

[evansb]

I.A.R 825 TP at Farnborough ?

[Noyade]

I.A.R 825 TP

Well done mate! Your control. :ok:

[evansb]

Thank you. Good looking design. Too bad no orders followed. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/d_zps194af8e7.jpg

[Noyade]

A racer from the USA?

[evansb]

Not a racer. Not from the U.S.A. Keep roaming.

[Noyade]

I'm not getting far with this one Brian.
European then?
One seat?
Military or Civil?

[evansb]

It is from Romania. A two-place tandem open-cockpit primary trainer used by civilians and military alike. Over 200 built.

[Noyade]

Thanks for the clues mate. Possibly the IAR 27 then? Although the photo with the associated wiki article doesn't look as slick as yours...

http://i42.tinypic.com/2v1n47c.jpg

[evansb]

Noyade is spot on.:ok: You are in control mate!