Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[Lightning Mate]

Eastern Europe?

[SincoTC]

Good morning / afternoon, :)

Are they the Lockheed F-94 Starfire, Martin XB-51 and North American XB-45 Tornado ??

Edit to say the Tornado wings and nacelle rear ends don't look quite right, but that's all I can think of!

[evansb]

I will confirm the aircraft types only when all three are identified in the same reply.

Only one aircraft entered squadron service.



Mild here for late January. OAT is plus 10C, wind 25027G48 kts. The wind will continue to blow for the whole day, and into the night. It is not from a passing storm. Not unusual for southern Alberta.

[Lightning Mate]

'kin cold here TC. Wossa in Minehead......?

Well, the first two are undoubtedly correct....

[sycamore]

First one is YF-94C

[SincoTC]

Definitely not the Tornado, I now think it's the Boeing Model 424 ? and stand by my other two, the Lockheed F-94 Starfire and Martin XB-51

Only the Starfire entered service!

Still quite Mild here at +8 C, light drizzle now, but predicting overnight snow!

[Lightning Mate]

'kinnelTC - wossa wing planform........?

[SincoTC]

'kinnelTC - wossa wing planform........?

Hopefully, like wot Bri's silhouette looks like!

This is what I found by digging into B-47's design evolution!

North American, Convair, and Boeing submitted proposals. The first Boeing proposal, the "Model 424", was submitted in January 1944. It was a jet implementation of a conventional straight-wing propeller-driven bomber design, basically a scaled-down version of the Boeing B-29 Superfortress, powered by four TG-180 turbojets fitted in a pod of two engines on each wing.

Edit: found some illustrations and not convinced, wing shape not right!!

[skytrain10]

F-94C Starfire
Martin XB-51
Curtiss XF-87 Blackhawk

[SincoTC]

Not a bomber after all, Curtiss Blackhawk?

Edit: Good call (I think) Ken :ok:

Edit2: Good innit! Almost like the old-days!!:)

[Lightning Mate]

Good innit! Almost like the old-days!!http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

....almost......

[evansb]

skytrain10 is correct.:D As the carnival barkers used to say "Get three in a row, you win a Kewpie doll!" Well done. You have control.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3295/celluloidkewpiedoll.jpghttp://img845.imageshack.us/img845/8886/martin20xb5120090709f12.jpg

[skytrain10]

Thanks Bri....nice one. Not sure about the doll though!

This should go quickly:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/6074c70b.jpg

[evansb]

With the exception of two features, it looks very similar to the Montagne Aircraft Mountain Goat STOL..

[skytrain10]

Very similar to the Mountain Goat, but there is no connection that I can see.

[evansb]

Just Aircraft Highlander ?

[skytrain10]

Not the Highlander Bri. To help you along this design dates back to the 1960's and was offered both as a complete aircraft or kit build. Would appear to be still available today in kit form.

Closing down for the night now. Usual rules apply.

[Noyade]

Another Canadian maybe Ken?

The Falconar AMF-S14...?

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5875/329270.jpg (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/329270.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme,

Usual rules apply

Good call mate, I'll second that :ok:

Off to work now, catchya later if possible!

[Noyade]

I'll second that http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gifThanks Trevor. If it's not, I'll just blame you. :)

Too many?...

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3888/img417f.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/img417f.jpg/)

This appeared in a Flypast magazine. Identify them and you could win a copy of Jane's 45/46. Unfortunately entries had to be in by September 1, 1995...

[Ridge Runner]

Here goes... quickly...

1. Bv222
2. ?
3. Val.
4. ?
5. ?
6. ?
7. mossie
8. Hornet
9. Ar196
10. Rapide
11. ?
12. He129
13. Shetland
14. Do14

RR

edit: 8.Me210?

[Noyade]

Just marked your exam paper Martin. :)

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5184/wwwppruneorgscreencaptu.png (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/wwwppruneorgscreencaptu.png/)

Report Card; Easily distracted on the thread. Can do better.

[VX275]

Fill in some of the gaps.

2. HP Halifax
4 Hawker Fury
5. Miles Master (could be a Martinet I suppose)
6. FW 189
8. Me 410
14. Do 18

Still leaves one head on one to identify.

[Noyade]

Doing nicely....

4. Is the Hawker Tempest II.
5. Is the Martinet.

14. Is a Dornier, but not the 14 or 18...

11......is this...

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3521/martinil.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/martinil.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

Re2000??????

[Noyade]

It is a Reggiane product mate, but not the 2000...

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/543/img419t.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/img419t.jpg/)

Also, have another look at the Dornier (No.14). Three engines.

[Noyade]

Just need the correct designations for the Dornier and Reggiane.
Control goes to whoever finds them.

Usual rules apply. Night. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Bugger, wish I'd looked in sooner.
The Dornier looks like the Do.24.
As for the Reggiane, well my guess would be the Re.2001 but the windows on the side view don't seem right.....?

[Ridge Runner]

I'd second that, Ken! I only took a quick look at them and my numbering was clearly ourt for the Dornier! :( Over to you!!!

RR

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon Gents,

I'll second (third it) that too Ken :)

The windows on the Reggiane shown in Graeme's side view tie in with it being an earlier version of the 2001, most of the drawings show the third type mentioned below!

Converted from the Re 2000 prototype, MM408 became an additional Re 2001 prototype. As described by Carlo Soliani, it appeared in three configurations:
1st: natural aluminum finish transparent pilot headrest fairing
2nd: green & brown camouflage finish transparent pilot headrest fairing
3rd: green only camouflage finish modified pilot headrest fairing (solid)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/re2001_mm409_194.jpg

If it's wrong,then blame me (as he said earlier today) :)

Back to work now, catchya later if possible

[skytrain10]

Sorry, tied up with work, so will have to be Open House...besides which others dd a lot more of the work than me!

[skytrain10]

Managed to complete this one, inspired by Brian's recent offering.....another threesome...this time civilian;

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/5a6510c6.jpg

Not to scale!
First one to get all 3 wins.

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Ken!

is no.3 a Miles?

RR

Edit: a Falcon, perhaps?

[skytrain10]

Miles M.3 Falcon it is :ok: Now, the other two.....

Edit, to help you along, one is Amercan, the other British.

[MReyn24050]

Hi Guys, multi aircraft challenges are great but a nightmare for the recorder especially Graeme's at Post 5520. New update coming shortly.

[skytrain10]

but a nightmare for the recorder especially Graeme's at Post 5520. New update coming shortly. Mel, noted and yes, perhaps not too well thought out. I'll stick to singles from now on. And thanks as ever in advance for the update. Cheers
Ken

[Noyade]

Sorry Mel, spur of the moment thing, won't happen again. :)

Ken, any connection/theme between them or did you simply hit the random button? :)

(How did you make that threesome?)

[Noyade]

Middle one mate, Cessna Titan?

Can I ask for a rough time period and purpose for the left one?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Mel, spur of the moment thing, won't happen again. :):).
Please, only joking, enjoy the thread and post whatever you wish. :ok:

[Noyade]

All good Mel. Just canvassing to find out who had the book (all those silhouettes are from it). :E:)

[SincoTC]

Just canvassing to find out who had the book (all those silhouettes are from it).

I called you a cunning bugger the other day and I think that proves the point!! :ok::)

[skytrain10]

Ken, any connection/theme between them or did you simply hit the random button? Random...they were just 3 I had lined up that I combined!
Middle one mate, Cessna Titan? Yep, that's two down:ok:
Can I ask for a rough time period and purpose for the left one?
You can, 1920's. Test/research.
Remember whoever get's the last one win's.

[Noyade]

You can, 1920's. Test/research.

Thanks Ken. Hmmm.....

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5769/5a6510c6.jpg (http://img843.imageshack.us/i/5a6510c6.jpg/)

[Noyade]

De Havilland DH 71 Tiger Moth?

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3195/dh71tigermoth3v.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/dh71tigermoth3v.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

De Havilland DH 71 Tiger Moth

I recon that's a hat-trick mate :D:D

[Noyade]

that I combined!

So you GIMPed three plan views, but how did you electronically combine them for the final "together" shot?

I do like the concept. :)

[Noyade]

I recon that's a hat-trick mate :D:DWhat do you call an Indian who makes a hundred runs?

A bowler.

A much repeated joke during the recent Oz/Indian test cricket matches. :)

[skytrain10]

De Havilland DH 71 Tiger Moth? You have it Graeme. First one to Martin, last two to you. Noyade has control:ok:

but how did you electronically combine them for the final "together" shot?
I used Paint to do that. You can reduce the size of the silhouette without reducing the actual area of the image...end result a small silhouette on a large white background. Do that to the first one, then copy/pasted the other two one at a time on to the white background, and bingo!

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken!

then copy/pasted the other two one at a time on to the white backgroundDidn't know that was possible? In Microsoft Paint? Can you pop round and show me how? :)

Trevor, Ken...start your code engines...

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/8985/92542840.jpg (http://img854.imageshack.us/i/92542840.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

start your code engines...

By that I gather you mean it's in aerofiles? Biplane ? How many crew?

[Noyade]

Aerofiles. Yes.
Biplane. Yes.

Crew. Don't know. Will now look...

"2P" = 2 place = 2 crew members?

[SincoTC]

Thanks, that makes it easier!

Bellanca XSOE-1 ??

[Noyade]

Bellanca XSOE-1 ??

Amazing.

:ok: Your control mate. :)

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme,

That one had correct codes, so I only had six "matches" to check :)

Here's my next silhouette.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf198.jpg

[Noyade]

Russian?.......

That one had correct codes, so I only had six "matches" to check :)

Time for me to move on from the USA me thinks. :)

[SincoTC]

Russian?.......

да товарищ :) = yes comrade

[Noyade]

This...?

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/5350/img421t.jpg (http://img542.imageshack.us/i/img421t.jpg/)

(Sent you a PM)

[SincoTC]

You and your perishing books, plus the wit to know where to look!!!

Yes mate it is the MAK-15M :D:D

Sorry for the delay, I was just replying to your PM :)

Noyade has control :ok:

Edit:

Have go now mate, gotta be up at five :ooh:!! Have a good day.

[Noyade]

I was just replying to your PM :)Thanks Trevor. :ok:

Have to leave you now mate. Will make it open house and start looking for non-USA silhouettes.

Goodnight mate! :)

[Noyade]

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2466/black424.jpg (http://img826.imageshack.us/i/black424.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Morning/Evening. Is it the Polikarpov ITP (M-2 version)?

[Noyade]

Evening/Morning.
Why, yes it is Ken. :)

Your control.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme.

Here is the next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/9785c4bc.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

oo... an italian, ken???

[skytrain10]

oo... an italian, ken??? Good call mate, yes Italian:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

something from C.A.N.T. per chance?

[skytrain10]

Not a CANT Martin.

[SincoTC]

Hi Ken,

Just a quick lunchtime look-in; I was going to have a look through Greyfalcon's Rare Aircraft site's Italian section, yours probably isn't on there, but it's quick, visual and sometimes fruitful (I know Martin has used images from there in the past). However, it appears to have gone belly-up I hope it's just a temporary glitch while they change hosts/server or something, but it looks terminal at the moment :{.

Oh well, it's back to work now, I will try and get back later, keep up the good work :ok:

Edit; Hi Martin, I see your light is back on again, good hunting :)

[skytrain10]

Greyfalcon's Rare Aircraft site's Italian section That's a new one on me - will have to take a look at that. Obviously in view of what I've just said it didn't come from there!

[SincoTC]

That's a new one on me - will have to take a look at that

Don't bother at the moment; it seems to be a dud right now! I hope it comes back as I found it very useful indeed.

Just taking another look at yours during my coffee break.

I think it's the CMASA BGA one-off medium bomber ??

[skytrain10]

I think it's the CMASA BGA one-off medium bomber ?? That's the one Trevor:ok:. Also known as the Fiat BGA.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/8f4ee87a.jpg

SincoTC has control

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken, I didn't have time to dig into the details of it's manufacter :)!

Here's something a little different, I don't think it got beyond the project stage!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf199.jpg

I will leave my light on and monitor when possible

[skytrain10]

Italian....?

[SincoTC]

Sorry Ken, not Italian

[SincoTC]

Off home now, 'tiz pretty quiet and this one isn't very prominent on the web, so I'll leave a couple of clues to help things along!

From the Americas

This aircraft won third prize it the CADE International Design Competition Aeronautical in 1987, a side-by-side two-seater, it was to manufactured in composite materials with a single Continental 100 hp engine mounted in the fuselage driving two pusher props on the wings via shafts and gearboxes.

Back in about an hour :ok:

[Noyade]

From the Americas

Big area.

Interesting looking machine, but the concept has never been really successful, has it? Seems odd that it would win an Inernational design award...and not be built.
Sorry, no idea mate. :(

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

Big Clue :)

I think the main reason it wasn't built was that its designer died of a heart attack on July 25, 1993, while traveling on a commercial flight between Tucumán and Buenos Aires

Also, I have used another one of his designs on SC

[Noyade]

Tucumán

His home?

Argentina design?

(Taxi time)

[SincoTC]

Meal time!!, Rattle my cage when you've dropped off your fare :ok:

Edit:

Grub finished, now for your questions!

Tucumán is the region of Argentina where the designer was born

Ken posted one of his aircraft last August and I posted another just a few weeks ago and you got them both !!!

[Noyade]

Ken posted one of his aircraft last August and I posted another just a few weeks ago and you got them both !!!

Yeah?! From Argentina?

when you've dropped off your fare

He didn't pay me. :*

[Noyade]

just a few weeks agoDo you have a post number I can refer back to? :)

[SincoTC]

Do you have a post number I can refer back to

Cheeky bugger!! You'll have to make do with the page numbers :p, Ken's was Page 18, 7th Aug 2011 and mine was Page 252, 4th Jan 2012

Dunno if you found them in one of your blasted books :), but this one has I believe, only one site on the entire web that carries the drawing I used.

[Noyade]

Alfredo Turbay Thanks Trevor. So we're looking for designs from this man?

Google Translate (http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.aracuan.com.ar/turbay.htm&ei=Rm4oT_rMDM6jiQeE4t3BAg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAlfredo%2BTurbay%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DAAi%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26prmd%3Dimvnso)

Something called a T-21?

His last known design, the T-21, dates from 1993, but transcended very few details about him, to the point that I only know that it was a four-seater plane.Cheeky bugger!! Ha! Says the Aerofile Code Cracker! Who asks for crew number details....:):)

[SincoTC]

:p:p:p:p!!!

You've got it mate :D, the Turbay T.21

I think that the quote you posted above referring to the T-21 as a four seater of 1993 is a typo as it was a side-by-side two seater started in 1987 as mentioned in a previous paragraph in the same article!.

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor, especially for the clues. Would never have found it otherwise. :ok:

Next...sorry, but the port tail ran out of GIMPable lines to dot...

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/3936/4159l.jpg (http://img543.imageshack.us/i/4159l.jpg/)

[Noyade]

For your help above and because you're a nice guy :), I'll give you a photo clue to help out with the general layout, but not too much I hope....:E

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/6478/img426c.jpg (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/img426c.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

a photo clue to help out with the general layout, but not too much I hope....http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/evil.gif

Hmm thanks, but no need to worry about too much!!

French ?? military?

Gotta go fairly soon as it's another 4am start :(

[Noyade]

Gotta go fairly soon as it's another 4am start :(Pretty soon you'll be quoting that Monty Python line, "getting up before I go to bed" (I think?) :(

I hope you sleep well, at least for a short time mate. :ok:

French ?? military?Not French. It is military.

[Noyade]

it's another 4am start http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/sowee.gif

Turn off your computer and go to bed, now. That's an order! :)

Cheers mate. :ok: I'm going......

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme...looks like the Fiat BRG?

Would have jumped in sooner but internet probs this morning:(

If correct make it Open House as my connection has been down overnight and is intermittent, and at best very slow, this morning.

[Noyade]

Hope the connection improves Ken.

Fiat BRG. If correct make it Open HouseOpen House.

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7580/oiuyn.jpg (http://img607.imageshack.us/i/oiuyn.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Hurry back Ken :)

Here's one to keep things moving, sorry about the quality!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf200.jpg

[evansb]

Romano R-120 ?

[SincoTC]

Well done that man :D!!

It is the Ramano R-120, a French medium bomber of 1938.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/RomeroR120.jpg

evansb has control :ok:

[evansb]

Thank you. Here is the next one:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH120201.jpg

[skytrain10]

Internet back upo and running nicely...just in time by the look of it:)

Lockheed T2V (T-1A) SeaStar?

[evansb]

skytrain10 is spot on:ok: And quick too... You have control

[skytrain10]

Many thanks Brian:ok:

Here is the next challenge:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/d8b75712.jpg
There may be a tail wheel there, but the grass was too long!

[Noyade]

Evening Ken.

Are we still in Italy?

[skytrain10]

Are we still in Italy? Funny you should say that:) Yes, another Italian machine:ok:

[SincoTC]

Morning Graeme, afternoon Karl evening Ken :)

Back after some chow!

I think that's a CANT Z.1010 Balilla ?

[skytrain10]

I think that's a CANT Z.1010 Balilla ? That's the one Trevor:ok: Just the one built and flown in 1935,

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/7b2b7c19.jpg
SincoTC has contol

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken,

A "paper" aeroplane; it didn't fly, but it caught my eye and I couldn't resist it.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf201.jpg

[skytrain10]

Another Italian? Flying boat, with pusher/tractor props?

[SincoTC]

Not Italian, otherwise yes!

[Noyade]

American?

A Mr Burnelli doodle?

(Are you up and heading off to work for a really early start? :p)

[SincoTC]

American?

A Mr Burnelli doodle?

American yes, Burnelli no, 'twas a serious proposal for a trans-Atlanic airliner. It just caught my eye when I was looking for someting else!


(Are you up and heading off to work for a really early start? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/tongue.gif)

No mate I'm not getting up before I go to bed yet, but it does seem like a good idea.

Edit: I remember the Python Sketch, living in a paper bag rather than the one's "luxury of a shoe-box" :ok:

Lay in tomorrow, well until five :)

[Noyade]

C'mon, what was that line from the Monty Python skit where a bunch of old codgers are trying to outdo each other in how tough their childhood was?

"I had to get up two hours before I went to bed!"

Then there was one who lived in a shoebox in the middle of the road?

Just read your edit! :)

[Noyade]

American yes, Burnelli no

OK. Famous well-known American designer?

[skytrain10]

Mmm, not getting very far....a Sikorsky project?

[SincoTC]

Not famous or well known :E

Therefore not a Sikorsky. The company "Name" is quite Eye Catching as I said before and is quite high on an alphabetical list ;)

Probably bigger than you'd think, designed to carry 34

[skytrain10]

The Cyclops Z-IV?

Didn't even think to look in Aerofiles.....:(

[SincoTC]

The Cyclops Z-IV

That's the one Ken :D

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/cyclops.jpg

Four motors in tandem. Touted as being able to "carry 34 passengers to Europe in 15 hours," there is no record of the design ever leaving the drafting table....


skytrain10 has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Didn't even think to look in Aerofiles.....http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/sowee.gif

I did, but..

Eye CatchingMy logic went...CORNEA > CORNELIUS. :rolleyes:

[SincoTC]

I did, but..

Not many carry exactly 34, in a Closed, high-wing Monoplane, so try 34pChwM in the search box :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Trevor. It will have to be Open House as speed is down (again) and cannot upload.

So going to call it a night now and hope for some improvement tomorrow.

Cheers

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken, let's hope it improves tomorrow, going to hit the hay soon myself as it's a fairly early start tomorrow, sleep well :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening/morning. :)

[Ridge Runner]

Hello David. Unfortunately I don't have anything prepared! :(

[skytrain10]

Well, never thought I'd be taking up my own OH from yesterday!

In case there is anyone around......

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/d9c16269.jpg

[Noyade]

Evening Ken.

Gotha 150...?

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken,

It looks like it may be a Gotha-150 ??

Edit, Oh bummer!! And I'm not referring to the Ameican President :)

G'day Graeme, looks like a good call to me :ok:

[skytrain10]

Gotha 150.Morning Graeme...yes, the Gotha 150 it is:ok: Sorry Trevor, Graeme just got there first.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/3970ad31.jpg

Noyade has control

[Noyade]

Sorry Trevor, Graeme just got there first.You're sorry I got there first? Well that's a fine thing...:(:)

Unfortunately, I still have some American silhouettes but hopefully Trevor the Aerofile Code Cracker has gone to bed, and hopefully you're not as good a Cracker as he is. :p

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3391/blackererer.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/blackererer.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Hi Graeme....looks like the Palomino from 1965?

Edit to say, calling it a night now, so if I'm correct it will have to be Open House.

Good night:)

[Noyade]

Palomino it is mate. :ok:

Open House.

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2310/img399q.jpg (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/img399q.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

I'll Post one as it's OH to keep things moving!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf202.jpg

Working at the moment as break's over, but will leave my light on and monitor periodically :)

[Ridge Runner]

She looks a bit Russian, mate?

[SincoTC]

Morning Martin,

Still on travels or are you back now?

Looks Russian, but it isn't :)

[Ridge Runner]

oo... a yank then?

[SincoTC]

Not American of any kind!

[skytrain10]

Afternoon...busy day so not much chance to look in. Is it the Bleriot 195?

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon Ken,

Just checking for any responses after coffee, your look-in was a productive one, it is indeed the Bleriot 195 :D

A one-off Long-range mail plane that was changed to a float-plane and then back again.

Blériot 195 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%A9riot_195)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/bleriot195-1.jpg

skytrain10 has control :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Trevor.

Here is the next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/b944311d.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

'artnoon Ken. :)

An experimental LSA?

[skytrain10]

An experimental LSA? Afternoon David. More of a one-off really. Not listed as a LSA, although it would have predated that category anyway.

[Lightning Mate]

Bugger............

Pre-2004 then...............

[skytrain10]

Pre-2004 then............... Yes. 1990's.

Edit to say going to be offline for some time. Will check in late tonight. In the meantime if someone thinks they have it and its supported by someone else, then please move on.

[Noyade]

American?
Goes very fast?
Racer?

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme
American? Yes, but it's not in Aerofiles.
Not designed as a racer although reasonably fast...just over 190 mph.
Looking in more detail I see the design originated in the late 1980's although it did not fly until the early 90's.

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken,

Just turning in now, but I must ask what those two protruberances under the wings are, the gear doesn't look retractable, not bombs are they ? :)

A single seater homebuilt?

[skytrain10]

Morning Trevor
what those two protruberances under the wings are The gear IS retractable...and that's where it retracts into.
A single seater homebuilt? Homebuilt...well yes, as in built by the designer. It was a one-off albeit that the intention had been to put it into production...which never happened. Two seats.
Time for me to turn in now, so good night:)

[Noyade]

Looks like a shortened Hamilton HX-321. Any connection?

Possibly found two or three new recruits for the GIMP Army mate. I was wondering if it would be worthwhile if you posted the GIMP download site and your very accurate instructions in Mel's List thread for all to see and have a crack at?

Just a thought.

Goodnight. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Looks like a shortened Hamilton HX-321 No connection that I can see Graeme. I should clarify this is American, but it's not from the US. It was actually designed as part of an aircraft design competition in its country of origin...in which it came 2nd!

New recruits are always welcomed. Yes, will post the link and instructions as you suggest.

[Lightning Mate]

in its country of origin

Was that somewhere in South America by any chance, or maybe Canada?

[skytrain10]

Was that somewhere in South America by any chance, or maybe Canada? Afternoon David....I was beginning to think there was nobody around today. Yes, South America. First flew in 1992.

[SincoTC]

What a hard to find one Ken!!!

I think it's the Air Quest Nova 21 ??

! wonder if you may have found it looking for my earlier South American challenge :ugh:

[skytrain10]

I think it's the Air Quest Nova 21 ?? Hi Trevor...yes that's the one, the Air Quest Nova 21 from Argentina:ok: Pictures and a good bit of background to it here:
Air Quest Nova 21 (http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/10850.htm)

SincoTC has control

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken, a good challenge; strangely enough, all the words I used in my unsuccessful searches where there, but buried too deep to find I guess!

Sorting something out now, won't be too long I hope :)

[SincoTC]

Sorry for the delay (decided to download Gimp and learn how to fly it), here's a rotorcraft for a change!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf203.jpg

[Noyade]

Morning gents.

Doman LZ-5?

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

You got it mate :D It is the Dorman LZ-5

Doman LZ-5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doman_LZ-5)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/Doman_LZ5.jpg

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks mate.

4th Feb 2012, 17:30
4th Feb 2012, 18:23

Trevor, you downloaded and mastered GIMP in less than an hour?! We're doomed! :(

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6453/black8941l.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/black8941l.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme...the Helio H.500 Twin Courier?

If correct will have to be Open House.

[Noyade]

It is Ken. :ok: Open House.

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/1545/8941l.jpg (http://img607.imageshack.us/i/8941l.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Since the Helio only lasted 3 minutes...

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8365/blackcp.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/i/blackcp.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

downloaded and mastered GIMP

Far from "mastered" yet mate, I beat it into submission with a few well chosen expletives, there's a lot to learn as yet I'm sure, but it beats the hell out of MS Paint so far :ok:!!

Edit: Good call from Ken, glad you put another up Graeme. I'm just getting something to eat, but will have a look at your new challenge between assorted crises in the kitchen :)

Edit2: I have to ask, is it in Aerofiles?

[Noyade]

but it beats the hell out of MS Paint so far http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Most definitely mate. If the Doman was your first attempt, you did very well. I would have given it a wide berth due to the complicated array of undercarriage lines. Wheels are a bitch when it comes to "join-the-dots."

[SincoTC]

Thanks, it was my first try at Gimping; but I cheated a bit by not trying trying to follow the exact profiles where the edges were already dark enough, I just did the bright bits and then tweaked the contrast to darken the grey bits :8!

Did you see my Edid2 above? :)

[Noyade]

Edit2: I have to ask, is it in Aerofiles?

You're logged on, therefore not from Aerofiles. :E

I just did the bright bits and then tweaked the contrast to darken the grey bits

Clever. Must try that.

[evansb]

BFW M.35 ?

[Noyade]

It is Brian. Your control. :ok:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9885/img396w.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/img396w.jpg/)

[evansb]

Thanks mate ! Here is a design that almost made it into production:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH120204.jpg

[Karlark]

Hello evansb,

Looks to be the Lockheed CL-1980 project;
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/cl1980art.jpg

[asw28-866]

looks like a cross between an F-18 cockpit, F-106 rear and SR-71 wing/engines! Guessing an American interceptor prototype?

'866

[evansb]

The man from Minnesota is correct.:ok: Well done:D Your turn.

[Karlark]

Hello & Thank you Mr. Alberta :);
Here is the next SC:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/36-4.jpg

[Karlark]

Here's the Gimpy side view post :);

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/37-4.jpg

[Noyade]

Caproni Ca 165...?

If it is, Open House.

(Thanks for the side view mate. :ok:)

[Karlark]

Ca.165 it is :ok:.
Open house.

[skytrain10]

GIMP instructions for Silhouette production posted to Sticky "What Cockpit and What Aerodrome latest lists"
Ken

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon Ken,

Thanks for that on behalf of all :ok:

I think downloading Gimp yesyerday gave my internet a bout of indigestion because it went down soon afterwards and has only just come back! Joking really as I know the download had nothing to do with the outage, but it was a nuisance!!

Here's an easy one to keep things moving

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf204.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

A Rider job?

[SincoTC]

Afternoon David :),

Yes, it is a Rider, but which one?

[Lightning Mate]

Firecracker......?

No...definitely the R4.

[SincoTC]

Firecracker......?

Maybe R4....

Both in fact Mate :D

It is the Rider R-4 (NX261Y c/n 6) "Schoenfeldt Firecracker"

Lightning Mate has control :ok:

Internet at work next week ??

[Lightning Mate]

Internet at work next week ??

Yes mate - Tuesday - (it says here...)

I have one ready but cannot monitor for more than the next four hours.

So it's either OH or a post on the understanding that a census of opinion gives it to somebody.

Your choice...........................

[skytrain10]

Go for it mate....:ok:

[SincoTC]

Seconded.........:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

OK chaps - to make it seemples, a two minute life expectancy with Goggle images.................

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/sillygame.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Read the favourite aeroplane thread above ours...............

[SincoTC]

I wonder if it's Gene Soucy's Grumman Cat Ag ??

Edit: spotted new hint, will check it out!

[Lightning Mate]

You wonder correctly - wot took you so long?

Back next week in serious mode...................:ok:

[SincoTC]

wot took you so long?

Trying to prepare something to eat :ugh:

Thanks mate, now I've gotta find another challenge :)

Hurry back :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Trying to prepare something to eat

Have Memsab for that mate.......;)

I'm still here for a while.

[SincoTC]

Have Memsab for that mate.......


Yuss! Well, at least I didn't get into hot water while I was sodding around with this instead of cooking!!! :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf205.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Issa Yank......?

[SincoTC]

'Tis indeed!

[skytrain10]

Evening Trevor. Getting nowhere with this one, but there again it's hard to figure the layout. Appears to be high wing, and judging from the design something from the early 1910's/20's? Presume open cockpit? 1 or 2 seats maybe?

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken,

Yes, High-wing, but closed cockpit from the 1920's, more than two seats and a first of its kind!

[evansb]

Getting nowhere?..! Just flip through Aerofiles page-by-page, an I'm sure you'll find it...;)

[SincoTC]

Just flip through Aerofiles page-by-page

Not really; from the information I've given, just a handfull of quick searches will find it, plus I gave a cryptic clue to the name when I posted it ;)!

[skytrain10]

Well, going to call it a night now. Good luck with it Bri:ok:

[SincoTC]

Goodnight Ken,

Don't stay up all night watching the Superbowl, take an early bath and sleep well :ok:

In case anybody from across the pond looks in now, I ought to mention that my image didn't come from Aerofiles, but there are three on there!

[Noyade]

Maybe?...

http://aerofiles.com/pix1.gif Jacuzzi Reo (http://aerofiles.com/jacuzzi-mono.jpg) (Dan Shumaker coll)
http://aerofiles.com/cleardot.gif
J-7 Reo or Rio 1920 = 7pChwM; 200hp Hall-Scott L-6; span: 52'0" length: 29'0". $14,000; POP: 1. First cabin monoplane built in US, planned for use in mail and passenger service, made many successful flights, even attaining 14,000' on a trip to Reno NV. Destroyed in a fatal crash at Modesto CA after a wing failure on 7/14/21.
Full time on the Superbowl I heard on the telly last night that a seat at the superbowl would set you back at $3,500...?!

[SincoTC]

Afternoon Graeme,

Not maybe mate, as my mention of hot water and bath alluded to, it is the Jacuzzi J-7 Rio :D

The First Cabin Monoplane built in the USA, so a search on 7pChwM +first = one return! Seemples :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/jacuzzi.jpg

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor. Open House for the time being. Enjoy your day mate. :ok:

[Noyade]

Made one quickly. I wonder If I forgot anything?

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8171/black433.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/i/black433.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme,

Coffee break, looks pretty quiet mate :(

I wonder If I forgot anything?

If the answer is no, then it looks something like the Darmstadt D-22 (but it's not it I suspect)

If it's yes and you mean the interplane struts, then it looks like a cabin type biplane by the depth of the fuselage behind the upper wing (which is wrong for the D.22)

Back to work now catchya later :ok:

[skytrain10]

Morning/Evening as appropriate.
The Darmstadt D.22 wouldn't get my vote Trevor...the shape of the wing looks wrong and the tail appears squatter. I also think the recess on the upper wing above the cockpit would show from that angle. Mind you who am I to say....I looked at the BFW M.35 in respect of a previous challenge and decided it didn't look right so moved on!!

[skytrain10]

I keep looking at the Lemberger LD.20....but not really sure and cannot find a photo of it from that angle.

[SincoTC]

Hi Ken, on my lunch break now,

I agree with, and share your reservations about the D.22 and said I didn't think it was, but there doesn't seem to be that many cantilever biplanes with inverted inline engines about!!

I too looked for some illustrations of the Lemberger LD.20 and was going to extend my search at the next break. Graeme should be :zzz: now or very soon so I doubt we'll get any prompts for a while (a sure fire statement to make him appear)!! :)

Back to work shortly, good luck with the search :ok:

Edit: Still looking during breaks :confused:

How about the Dietz Cabin Biplane of 1928, says AKA as Aeronca C-4, but no pictures that make sense?

[Lightning Mate]

But, TC, you should have more faith.

I think it's the Darmstadt D-22 - with reservations.

All the photos I have found do not show the mass balance weights on the lower ailerons.

Graemes' silhouette also shows a vertical strut running up from the undercarriage, which again photographs do not show.

Maybe it's a version of which only he has an image - there was a single D22a version.

[SincoTC]

Evening David,

I did wonder if it was the D.18 (picture of D-1561) as at least it had a Cabin that gave the fat after fuselage and lack of "daylight" under the upper wing. However, it appears to only be powered by the Genet radial which doesn't fit with the silhouette, which to me looks like an inverted inline type and as with the D.22, all the U/C struts and wing balance horns are different/absent :confused:

Going home soon, will check back later :)

[Lightning Mate]

A rumour................

I shall have internet at work tomorrow....................

Another rumour - sorry - fact.........................;)

[skytrain10]

I shall have internet at work tomorrow....................

Excellent news David....look forward to you being fully back up and running:ok:

[Noyade]

Lemberger LD.20
Ken has it. Your control mate. :ok:

Lemberger LD20b - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemberger_LD20b)

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8831/img433i.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/img433i.jpg/)

Lightning Mate (http://www.pprune.org/members/298475-lightning-mate)
Posts: 10,000 Happy 10,000 mate! :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme...excellent challenge:ok: Incidentally what was the source of your photo?

Will have something available shortly.

[skytrain10]

Depending on what research was done for the last one, this could go quickly :)

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/26215aca.jpg

Edited picture as noticed there was a missing strut!

[skytrain10]

Closing down for the night now....usual rules apply:ok:

Good night

[Lightning Mate]

Happy 10,000 mate! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Many thanks Graeme. :)

[SincoTC]

I'll second the 10k congrats Mate :ok:

Not many around today! Just having a late lunch, so a chance for a look

Ken, I think yours is the Kiel Fk 166 ?

Back to work now and on dog duties too, not a lot of time to spare, so it'll have to be OH if correct, maybe LM will be able to put one up if his computer has arrived and all is in order!

[skytrain10]

Ken, I think yours is the Kiel Fk 166 ? It is the Kiel Fk.166 Trevor, well done:ok:

Described as a single seat sportplane. Just the one built in the 1930's.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/835c3f72.jpg

As you say, not many around today :(

SincoTC has declared Open House

[Lightning Mate]

I'll second the 10k congrats Mate

Many thanks TC


maybe LM will be able to put one up if his computer has arrived and all is in order!

I have had a computer at work for over a month, but still no internet connection despite the promise that it would be today.

Therefore I shall not repond to the OH despite having several challenges available. Sod it :mad: !!

Roll on 20,000............................but I'll probably never make it.......

[SincoTC]

Of course you'll make it you miserable bugger :)

I'm just off home now via "walkies", so I'll put one up now and you'll all (!!!!) have to wait for a response 'til I get home (be about an hour)

Apologies for a crappy silhouette, but I've only got Paint here, so I left three blokes in, but they're not covering much!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf206.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Issa bipe?

[SincoTC]

Yes mate, a bipe!

[skytrain10]

American Trevor?

[Lightning Mate]

....schhh Ken - he's in the kitchen trying to open a tin of beans............

[skytrain10]

he's in the kitchen trying to open a tin of beans............ I think he's walking the dogs based on his last email. Going to be breaking for dinner soon, so catch you later:ok:

[SincoTC]

wazza tin???

I haven't gone home yet, I just had an email in to answer in an inconvenient time-zone!

Evening Ken, it's not American by any meaning of the word :)

I am off now, will be back in an hour, usual rules if anyone gets it, it's all over the Web :)

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like a landplane modified for use on water.............

in an inconvenient time-zone!

....must be Zummerzet.........:E

[Ridge Runner]

Evening all! A Brit perhaps? It looks a bit like a Be2?

[Lightning Mate]

'evening mate.

I think it's German or Austro-Hungarian......

Wossa significance of six...............;)

[SincoTC]

I have returned, Evening Martin,

A Brit perhaps? It looks a bit like a Be2?

It is and it does, but it isn't (a Be2 that is) :)

[skytrain10]

Evening...is it the somewhat unusually named White & Thomposn Bognor Bloater?

[SincoTC]

This aircraft has a claim on the first production use of a novel feature :8!

Edit: and that being the application of the monocoque fuselage, the wooden skins of which were copper sewn by the Saunders 'Consuta' process at the works of Williams and Co. of Littlehampton.

Whether this made them look like a bloater I don't know, but Ken is quite right, well done!! :D

It is the White & Thompson NT.3 'Bognor Bloater' of 1915

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/WhiteThompsonBognorBloater.jpg

skytrain10 has control :ok:

[SincoTC]

A post, just in case Ken didn't see my edit :)

[skytrain10]

Thanks Trevor.

Will have to be Open House unfortunately.

[skytrain10]

Seems no takers for the OH, so.....

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/31a1e27f.jpg

[evansb]

Phoenix Motor Glider ?

[skytrain10]

Not the Phoenix Brian - and not a Czech design.

Edit, closing down for the night now.....usual rules apply.

[Noyade]

Hi Ken. Not having much luck mate. Clue or maybe a time period?

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme....South America!:)

[Noyade]

Brazil?..........

[skytrain10]

Brazil?.......... Try Argentina:)

See, I'm making it easy for you:ok: Another cold day here in Wales...still showing -1C at 1130. How's things there?

[Lightning Mate]

I N T E R N E T..............:ok::ok:

[skytrain10]

I N T E R N E T. Excellent and welcome back:ok: Now start looking!

[Noyade]

Evening Ken.

Kitplane?
Very recent?
Classified as a motor-glider?

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme:
Not a kitplane,
1990's design
Yes, a motor glider
Designer was a glider pilot. The first aircraft to bear his name was a glider in the 1970's

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken. Will continue the search after work. :ok:

How's things there?

Cooling down, around mid-twenties and possible showers this afternoon.

Cheers mate.

[skytrain10]

Cooling down, around mid-twenties and possible showers this afternoon. Cooling down here too! Now -3, expected to drop to -5 overnight. At least its dry!

Have a good day:ok:

[Noyade]

Have a good day:ok:

Thanks Ken. Night. :ok:

[skytrain10]

As this one is proving somewhat difficult, here is a photo:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/b619e93d.jpg

[evansb]

I'll say it is proving difficult, given the photograph showing a T-tail, and the silhouette showing a mid-tail horizontal stab.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken. :)

May I assume there are/were two versions of this machine?

[skytrain10]

May I assume there are/were two versions of this machine? Hi David, no, more a case of the one model that was built being modified to a t-tail arrangement. Couldn't find a photo of the mid-tail design.

Incidentally the aircraft is pictured on one of the websites that featured my last Argentine challenge. That should make it easier:)

In the interests of keeping moving if it's not identified by 1200 today then I'll withdraw it.

Edit...ignore the above comment David...found a photo of the mid tail (minus spats). Seems it was the other way around. Designed as a T-tail, but modified to mid tail.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/a8f81096.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Was the designer Rodolfo Bianciotto ?

[SincoTC]

Morning Gents,

Early start, early coffee, well timed clue :)

I've found several piccies of your silhouette Ken, labelled Berca JB-4

El sitio del Vuelo a Vela (http://www.volaravela.com.ar/jb4.htm)

Looks like it was developed from the T-tailed JB-3 Lacar.

Sorry, but it'll have to be OH if confirmed as I'm back to the grind again and going to be pretty hectic all day :(

[skytrain10]

Was the designer Rodolfo Bianciotto ? No connection that I can see....however....

I've found several piccies of your silhouette Ken, labelled Berca JB-4 Morning Trevor....yes it's the Berca JB-4 from Argentina:ok: Designed by Jorge Berca. I was going to say it's the same airframe as the JB-3 (T-tail) but having looked at another article that may not be the case. My Spanish is not too good!

SincoTC has declared Open House.

Got something David?