Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[Karlark]

Ok..Hopefully this one doesn't have an alias :);

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/51-5.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Martin,

There were five aeroplanes posted on 25 May 2010 and the Boyero isn't one of them.

Karlark,

Despite it's appearance this looks like a glider.

[Karlark]

Not a glider.... twin engined.

[Lightning Mate]

Sod it.....

A project or operational?

[Karlark]

Two demonstrators were built, however the production order was canceled due to shortage of materials.

[Lightning Mate]

Was that material wood by any chance?

[Karlark]

You mean plywood? That must have been it. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Well, at some point during WW2 the stuff was becoming scarce in the USA, and Beech were working on a plywood bomber trainer.

However, I can find little else.

[Karlark]

Very close LM. Wartime USA but not Beech or a bomber trainer.

Well known manufacturer of small piston aircraft and business jets.

[Father Dick Byrne]

Cessna C-106 perhaps?

Open house if correct please, as I need to get to grips with Photoshop if I'm to play nicely!

[Karlark]

That's the one, Cessna C-106 Loadmaster aka P260. :ok:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/c-106a.jpg

FDB has declared Open House

[Lightning Mate]

I need to get to grips with Photoshop if I'm to play nicely!

Sounds like you need help from a pro!

[skytrain10]

As it's OH, one for the night shift:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/37a6d586.jpg

It's not American.

[Karlark]

Cool!

Ken, is it a Chudzik CC-02?

Edit: Open House if confirmed correct.

[skytrain10]

is it a Chudzik CC-02? Good call Karl, yes it's the Chudzic CC-02 homebuild from France:ok: Plenty of photo's on the web if you Google it, and I think "cool" pretty much sums it up:)

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/1c7db255.jpg

Karlark has declared Open House

[Lightning Mate]

and I think "cool" pretty much sums it uphttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Ah, but does it have a trigger? :E

[Lightning Mate]

I see Father on line......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/today.jpg

[skytrain10]

Morning David. Is it the Baynes Scud 1?

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Ken.

It is indeed. :ok:

Back to you.

[skytrain10]

Thanks David. Saw its successor, the Scud 2 earlier this year at Old Warden.

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/75038225.jpg

[Noyade]

Hi Ken.

British?

[skytrain10]

Hi Graeme...yep British:ok:

[Noyade]

:ok:

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2036/img176la.jpg (http://img717.imageshack.us/i/img176la.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

:D:D:D:D......

[skytrain10]

Bristol 92 it is:ok:

Over to you Graeme

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken.

Promise me you won't get angry....:)....

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/525/img163joeuc.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/i/img163joeuc.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

VTOL?..............

[Noyade]

Took off vertically....no idea how it landed.

[Lightning Mate]

No wheels then probably.

Did the pilot know how to land it, or wasn't there one.......?

[Noyade]

No wheels.

15 feet long.

4 booster rockets plus "liquid propellent sustainer motor".

Cruciform tail. Slightly swept wings. Ramp launched. Wingtip flares for tracking.

French. Circa late 50's...

[Noyade]

Happy to withdraw it and return to open house. Don't even know if it's on the net.

Just looked interesting. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Something from Wibault?

[Noyade]

A company called D.E.F.A.

Direction Des Etudes Et Fabrications Dármement.

A practice rocket for training in missile handling and firing techniques.

[Lightning Mate]

Have you found it on the web?

Surely not tea on a Friday night!!!

[Noyade]

Google says it's on Flight Global...

DEFA Maruca missile - Google Search (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=DEFA+Maruca+missile&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a)

But I can't open it.

It was the D.E.F.A MARUCA. Didn't mean to spoil your day, so...

OPEN HOUSE.

Continue on. :)

[Noyade]

Surely not tea on a Friday night!!! Tea and milk tonight. I'm a new man! 20 kilos lighter. Liver function levels back to normal and cholesterol level halved! :ok:

Now, if I can just research challenges better....:)

[skytrain10]

Was about to say I've found it, and it is on the web! Bit too late by the look of it:)

[Lightning Mate]

What on earth did you type to find that Ken?

[skytrain10]

What on earth did you type to find that Ken? After seeing Graeme's 1147 post I just did a search for DEFA in the Flight Archive, and bingo:ok:.
Don't think I would have found easily without the manufacturer!

[Lightning Mate]

I find searching in Flight Archive a pain.

I must be doing sumfin' wrong. :\

Graeme, since Ken did find it I feel the thread should go to him.

[Lightning Mate]

Standby Ken - I'm just trying to get him back here from another thread.

[Noyade]

By all means. Ken, you have the thread. :)

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme....here's the next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/52b4b39c.jpg

Going offline for a while.....to reduce the searches, its classed as a LSA, not American.

[Ridge Runner]

There were five aeroplanes posted on 25 May 2010 and the Boyero isn't one of them.


Just Ctrl+F and type Boyero and you'll see it. RR

[Lightning Mate]

Is the challenge also available in kit form?

[skytrain10]

Is the challenge also available in kit form? Yes it is, despite its classification as a LSA:ok: Another source refers to it as an ultralight.

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry mate - I have to depart the fix and set track for the kitchen.

[skytrain10]

Clue for the night shift...a French design from the 2000's.

[Noyade]

Hi Ken.

French? Possibly an Aurore product. The Mini Bulle MB 02-2?

[SincoTC]

Afternoon Ken,

Sleep well and have a good Sunday Graeme :)!!

Dunno what the exact differences are and Graeme's call may well be on the money, but I think it looks more like the Souris-Bulle MB04 ??

[skytrain10]

Afternoon all....sorry Graeme, not the MB-02, but you are very close.

However....

it looks more like the Souris-Bulle MB04 That's because it is:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/64cd5e94.jpg

SincoTC has control

[Lightning Mate]

'artnoon Ken. :)

Methinks TC is in his nice new office doing other things on his huge computer. I had the pleasure of seeing it.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken, you're not far wrong there LM :ok:

Here's my new challenge! (sorry about the quality but it was a small original)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf171.jpg

Edit:


Off home now, will be back online in about an hour

[Lightning Mate]

Swiss?.............

[diesel addict]

Looks a bit like the BAC Drone - but not sure about the fin..........

[SincoTC]

Not Swiss LM and not the BAC Drone DA, but it does look similar!

Not a lot of info on this one, but it's a Polish Motor Glider

[skytrain10]

Hi Trevor...there is some commonality with the AMA motorglider? 1950's era rather than pre WWII?

Edit, I wonder, is this the ZASPL Osa?

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken,

Hmm, I'm a little lost on this one as there's so little data, it is on a well known (to me :E) website, but I'm pretty certain that you know it and maybe have even used it, but in this case, the Data Section is full of question marks!!

The only positive thing I can say is that it was designed by an amateur Wieslaw Rogala after 1945

[skytrain10]

Funnily enough I was just doing a search on the Weissa motorglider when I saw your reply...sounds like it could be something designed by someone called Wieslaw:)?

but I'm pretty certain that you know it I thought I was using the same one as you, but as there is no mention of Mr Rogala on it, maybe not!

[SincoTC]

Have you seen my edit above? I think the site may have changed, I found this one on a section devoted to amateur designers.

I'm just going offline for about fifteen minutes, I will put my light on when I get back.

[skytrain10]

Breaking off myself now....back later.

[Noyade]

Evening!

Just the one built Trevor? Can you give us a year?

[SincoTC]

Morning Graeme,

Sorry, all Ithat's known is that it's post '45.

Strictly speaking the answer is already out of the bag and it only really need finding on the web. For that you really need to help Giggle out by using our dear friend Heikki's method of searching in the site's native language as motor-glider won't find it :)

Edit: just swapping houses, back in fifteen min!

[Noyade]

just swapping houses, back in fifteen min! Wow! Takes much longer here with banks, solicitors, inspections, cooling-off period - can take months.

:)

searching in the site's native languageHow do ya do that? I've got a search box (for text) then next to it is a little magnifying glass (search) and next to that is a picture of a little house (maybe that's for house swapping?:)).

(PS- Love to know how ya upload and post those YouTube clips too).

[Noyade]

just swapping housesMental picture...man (elderly :)) on the run from the police. Armed with a shotgun and systematically breaking into houses and using the occupants computer...to play silhouette challenge, briefly, then moving onto the next house.

Terrible life mate, give it up Trevor! Turn yourself in. I'm sure they have computers in prison.

[SincoTC]

All swapped and back now, we just have slick conveyancers here mate :p

How do ya do that?

Instead of searching for something in English when the likely location of the source is a site like Airwar or Aviafrance, where they don't have an English version of their site, I just use Giggle Translate to find out what, for example motor-glider is in German or Polish (the most likely sites for that kind of aircraft) and then copy and paste that word into the normal search box. Don't forget to check the Image tab too as it's easier to spot than a mass of Web pages!

You can then go one stage further by using the search whatever text inurl:Site url e.g. Pusher inurl:aerofiles.com will return a list of Aerofile entries with the word pusher in them in

[Noyade]

OK! I'm on it...always willing to learn!

So...I'll try punching in " Wieslaw Rogala Silnik Płyną (prowadzić) samolotem "...

[skytrain10]

Thought I'd come back for another look.Strictly speaking the answer is already out of the bag Could it be that simple....? How about the Rogala Motor-glider?:)

[Noyade]

Could it be that simple....?

No, it can't, now piss off Ken! I'm having a private tutorial here! :)

[SincoTC]

Welcome back Ken,

Could it be that simple....? How about the Rogala Motor-glider?

:ok::ok::ok:

I was hoping you'd find the page, but that'll do for me

Skytrain10 has control

[Noyade]

one stage further by using the search whatever text inur

Dammit Trevor! You're going too fast! It's all too much. I just want to recognise the bastard! :)

I'm done.

Sorry Ken, you were saying?

[SincoTC]

Continuing the tutorial :)

keep it simple Graeme, just giggle "rogala motoszybowca" (motor-glider in Polish) and check the image tab!

[Noyade]

just giggle "rogala motoszybowca" Motoszybowiec Rogali (PL) (http://www.piotrp.de/AMATORSKIE/pmoro.htm)

Found that site earlier, but couldn't navigate it.

Thanks.

:)

[skytrain10]

was hoping you'd find the page, but that'll do for me Blimey, wasn't really expecting that! Must admit the only translator I've ever used is Babel Fish, which doesn't include a Polish translation option. Looks like I will have to expand my knowledge:)

Haven't got anything ready, so if you've got something Graeme, go for it:ok:

Incidentally Trevor, must admit I would never have thought of the TU-144 on challenge...mind you never been close enough to the back end of one...just assumed the engines were more Concorde like!

[Noyade]

if you've got something Graeme, go for ithttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

No mate, not at present. Heading off to the Sunday Markets shortly, so I'll catch you later.

Sleep well. :)

[skytrain10]

Enjoy the markets mate...perhaps you'll find a good book on Polish post-war motor-gliders:)

Well have just quickly prepared this one, so here goes:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/70fac89b.jpg

Yes, it's another pusher...

[SincoTC]

Ken, I think that particular site (we were thinking of the same one?) also has a German version, so Motorsegler Rogala will also work! Not Tried Babel Fish, but I find Google Translate very useful and simple to use.

I agree about the Tu-144, which is why I chose it :E! I think most peoples mental picture of it are from the front!

Off to take my little friend walkies now afore bed, so I'll wish you goodnight :ok:

[skytrain10]

(we were thinking of the same one?) No, I was using a different site which is in French or English, hence couldn't find any reference to the Rogala/Rogali motorglider. Now Graeme has posted the link I'll add that one to my list as well!
Incidentally, PM coming to you shortly re the TU-144.
Good night:ok:

[Noyade]

...perhaps you'll find a good book on Polish post-war motor-gliders:)Incredible luck at the markets today Ken! :ok:

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8381/img181e.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/img181e.jpg/)

Close?....

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1652/img180yf.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/img180yf.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Incredible luck at the markets today Ken!

We're all doomed, doomed I tell you :uhoh::uhoh:!!

Looks like a good buy Graeme :ok:, so good bye, off to walk the mutt:)

[skytrain10]

Seems I need to visit your local marketa Graeme:ok:

Yep, well done, it is the Jaroslaw Janowski J-1B (presumably an upgrade from the J-1).
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/9bf01ce7.jpg

Over to you Graeme

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken and good morning. :)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3014/img183i.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/img183i.jpg/)

[Noyade]

It wasn't the best image to play with...

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2358/img184k.jpg (http://img507.imageshack.us/i/img184k.jpg/)

Sorry, but I'm going to have to leave it with you. I'm sure you or someone else will find it and when you do, just move on...Night! :)

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

It's been a quiet day on SC, been pretty hectic myself and just having another look whist getting something to eat.

biplane tail is a good start!

Looks like it's the Thomas-Morse TM-24 ??

[Noyade]

Looks like it's the Thomas-Morse TM-24 ??

Yes mate, spot on. :ok:

Yeah, looks like it was quite day on SC. Probably a good thing - a sign that people are out and about or working hard like yourself. :)

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme,

Have a good day :ok:

Here's the next one!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC-wtf173.jpg

[Noyade]

Have a good day http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gifThanks Trevor, working an evening shift today.
Your front view, reveals a skid?...

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8330/img185qu.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/img185qu.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

You got it mate :D

The Heinkel P.1080 Ramjet-powered fighter

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/heP1080.jpg

Just off to take the dog back to its "mum" :)

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor. I think I've lost my silhouette mojo, but here goes...

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8586/img182hv.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/img182hv.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

From your latest acquistion at the market Graeme?

[Noyade]

Evening Ken.

Same book. But I was just bull****ting ya mate, had that book since 1987. :)
I did buy a second-hand Brace, two Acrow scaffolding supports and a book that looks at how Hollywood stars died. Saddened to read how William Holden died. :(

[skytrain10]

had that book since 1987 I had wondered:) Looked it up on Amazon, and found one for a couple of quid, so I bought it! Figured I can't go wrong at that price.
Time to do a little investigation

[Noyade]

Looked it up on Amazon, and found one for a couple of quid, so I bought it!

You rotten scoundrel! :hmm::)

[skytrain10]

Piel CP.150 Onyx?

[Noyade]

Piel CP.150 Onyx?

See, you don't even need books/magazines....:hmm:

Your control Ken. :ok:

[skytrain10]

See, you don't even need books/magazines.... Not quite mate...remembered something from an old copy of Jane's. Just had to find it:)

Stand-by for the next one.

[skytrain10]

Here's the next challenge:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/b88559f5.jpg

[Noyade]

Pazmany/Caf PL-1B Chienshou...?

[skytrain10]

Pazmany PL-1 will do Graeme:ok:

Back to you

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken, but have to head off soon. :)

Open House.

Sleep well.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme, you have a good day:ok:.

Closing down now.

Open House prevails.

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning all. :)

[Lightning Mate]

I note that the "Cryptic Challenge" thread seems to have disappeared. :\

[skytrain10]

Morning all, morning David:)

I note that the "Cryptic Challenge" thread seems to have disappeared Yes I was wondering where it had gone...? I was busy trying to work out the last challenge and when I went to look again it wasn't there!

[Lightning Mate]

Wanna seemples one Ken?

[Noyade]

Morning!

Wanna seemples one

Yes please! :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Evening Graeme. :)

OK then.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/monday-3.jpg

[Noyade]

Moving from left to right of screen, and towards 'us'?

Forward swept wings?

[Lightning Mate]

Yes to all.

[skytrain10]

Looks like the Boeing PMTD "Dominator"?

[Lightning Mate]

Wot took you so long?

Your thread. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Wot took you so long? Only started looking at 1023:)

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/e6822b27.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Only started looking at 1023http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

............................................................ .......................:=

[Noyade]

European Ken?

[skytrain10]

Well it was closer to 1022 really:).....seriously had seen it before on a search for something else.

European Ken? No, although there is a connection with a European homebuild design from the late 60's.

[Lightning Mate]

Don't play with him Graeme.

This is our reward for an easy one!

[Noyade]

This is our reward for an easy one!

I had no idea what that thing was mate.

[Noyade]

Turboprop?

Asian?

[Noyade]

American?

Garrison Melmoth II...?

[skytrain10]

American, and a piston

Based on a British design

[skytrain10]

Garrison Melmoth II...? For someone who has no idea you've come up with a pretty good guess:ok:. Not the Melmoth II as we've had it before...but you are very very close!

[Lightning Mate]

Perhaps Mr. Garrisons first Melmoth of 1973.

[Noyade]

For someone who has no idea

I was referring to the UAV mate...:(

[skytrain10]

Perhaps Mr. Garrisons first Melmoth of 1973. It is indeed, the Melmoth I, based on the Practavia Pilot Sprite of 1968.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/fd3942de-1.jpg

LM has control

[Noyade]

Too late, but officially the Garrison OM-1 Melmoth?
Based on the British Practavia Sprite.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6973/img190q.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/img190q.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Ken, but I feel this one should go to Graeme.

[Noyade]

Thanks, but I'm heading to bed shortly...

Got one with a pilot? :)

[Lightning Mate]

Yep.

Please standby......

+pilot!

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/eggjob.jpg

[Noyade]

French...?...

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9407/img191v.jpg (http://img600.imageshack.us/i/img191v.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Nice one mate. :ok:

Back to you......

[Noyade]

Thanks David. OK, a quick one and a clue for the "Challenge" thread...

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4844/renamed.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/renamed.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Too late, but officially the Garrison OM-1 Melmoth? Yes. I took my reference as Air Britain which just used the term Garrison Melmoth I, but I'm sure OM-1 is the official designation, albeit that the official designation of the Melmoth II, according to the FAA, is....Melmoth II! (as opposed to OM-2)

Thanks Ken, but I feel this one should go to Graeme. More than happy with that as Graeme came up with Melmoth:ok:

Looks like its now back with you Graeme anyway:ok:

[skytrain10]

Sukhoi Su-15?

[Noyade]

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9379/sukhoi15.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/sukhoi15.jpg/)

Sukhoi Su-15

(II)

Your control Ken. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Before you disappear mate, I'll wish you goodnight. :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks mate. Cheers :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme. And good night!

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/c95b9392.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Low wing or shoulder?

[skytrain10]

Low wing or shoulder? High wing!

[Lightning Mate]

Special-purpose?

[skytrain10]

Special-purpose? This aircraft was built as a transport. The particular variant I have chosen was designed for a more specific purpose.

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry to leave you mate, but I too must go.

[skytrain10]

Ok catch you later...expect Trevor will have a coffee break soon:)

[Karlark]

Good afternoon Ken,

maybe I can take a stab;
Is it a Latecoere 28?
Mail carrier?

Just having my eye opener cup of coffee. :)

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon Ken,

Too late for coffee, 'tiz lunch break, but too late for the answer!!

That looks like another good call from Karlark :D:D

[skytrain10]

Good morning Karl.
Looks like that first coffee hit the spot...yes, its the Latecoere 28 - in this case the 28.2 mail carrier:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/7c626337.jpg

Karlark has control

[Karlark]

Thanks Ken...Hmmm, let's see... keeping it high wing, anyway;

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/54-2.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Extra 400...

[Karlark]

Not the 400... ;)

[Lightning Mate]

500 then.....

[skytrain10]

It's got wing tanks, so the EA500 I think?

[Karlark]

Lightning has control by a nanosecond!

Skytrain almost in for the steal! :)

[Lightning Mate]

Less typing Ken and you might have beaten me to it.

There's one parked a couple of hundred yards from here.

How about another helo......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/ere.jpg

[skytrain10]

Cicare CH-2?

[Lightning Mate]

Going well today innit!

All yours Ken. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Yep, ticking along nicely:ok:

So is the Extra based there now or just visiting?

Next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/65bed840.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

So is the Extra based there now or just visiting?

It lives here - privately owned.

[Karlark]

Looks like an Ilyushin Il-4?

[skytrain10]

Looks like an Ilyushin Il-4? Not an IL-4 Karl, but you are close.

[Lightning Mate]

In line engines.

Il-8?

[Karlark]

Ilyushin IL-6?

[skytrain10]

Il-8? Not that one David....the IL-8 only had one engine!

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry - just realised my typo.

Looks like a strike above...

[skytrain10]

Ilyushin IL-6? That's the one Karl, powered by 2 x Charomskiy diesel engines:D

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/e0ba0bd0.jpg

Back to you.

[Karlark]

:ok:. Open house, please.

[skytrain10]

Ok Karl....David, as you were so close, have you got one ready to go?

[Lightning Mate]

I have, but gozome shortly so won't be able to monitor for maybe an hour.

[Lightning Mate]

OK Ken - one that's easy to find for you.

Back in an hour.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossis-5.jpg

[Karlark]

Is that Barnaby Wainfan's FMX-4 Facetmobile?

Sorry, couldn't keep away, I should really get back to work. :8

[Lightning Mate]

It is indeed. :ok:

Never mind work - put your green light back on because you have the thread!

[Karlark]

Thanks LM. Just about lunchtime. Close enough. :)

Keeping with the insane theme... or should I say inane;

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/53b.jpg

Hard to say if the silhouette is exact.

[skytrain10]

Alekseev SM-1?

[Karlark]

That's the one. :ok:

Skytrain has control.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Karl, definitely falls into the weird and wonderful category:).

Talking of which:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/6fff390f.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

I've seen it before.

It's the WTFO?

Obvious question - is it a disc or a sphere?

[Karlark]

SA-60 Spherical Airship?

[Lightning Mate]

Or the Stratellite?

[skytrain10]

Obvious question - is it a disc or a sphere? Sphere
SA-60 Spherical Airship? Not listed as that Karl but it does look very similar. Definitely a different manufacturer and a different country.
Or the Stratellite? Not that either David

[Noyade]

I've seen it before.I saw this in a movie? Phantasm...

Phantasm (1979) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079714/)

It flies and can kill Ken?

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6540/phantasmball.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/phantasmball.jpg/)

:)

[skytrain10]

What I thought would be a straightforward challenge appears not to be. Karl has proposed the SA60, which I thought was the Sierra Nevada Corp SA60, but I am wondering if SA60 is just a generic name for the size of the airship.

To make life easier, just the name of the munufacturer will suffice as the manufturer has made a number of virtually identical models. This one dates from the 1990's and would appear to have undergone modifications over the years.

It flies and can kill Ken? Morning Graeme and thanks for your kind comments:):), I think its safe to say my challenge can fly but is unlikely to kill, unless it inadvertently lands on you!

[Noyade]

Evening Ken...:)

unless it inadvertently lands on you!

How big is it?
What's its purpose?
Remotely controlled UAV?

Is it happy?

[skytrain10]

How big is it?
What's its purpose?
Remotely controlled UAV?All very good questions....

Size...small, I presume around 13ft in diameter (I'll try to confirm this!)
Purpose...test vehicle
Manned

Is it happy? Probably not, it was replaced by bigger and presumably better models. Looks like it should have been in 2001:)

Edit, ignore the size....my theory blown apart....more like 40 ft in diameter!

[Noyade]

What I thought would be a straightforward challenge appears not to be.I don't think anything is straightforward in life mate....:(

Thirteen feet in diameter and it carries a man?! Inside? What's the propulsion system?

It is a sphere I think you said? That's not just the front view of something Zeppelin shaped?

And it's opaque?

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6533/mediumsphere.png (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/mediumsphere.png/)

[Lightning Mate]

Goggled "munufacturer" and "manufturer" spherical airships but...............................................:E:E

Can I have some mate?

[Noyade]

Evening David!

Trevor has a spoilt dog. I have spoilt children and I now drive their lazy asses to school. Light will be on...but I am not here. Story of my life. Don't wait up...

[skytrain10]

Graeme, see my edit.....

Definitely a sphere. 2 props, no details on make.

The designer has produced several different spherical airships, as well as other shapes, including one particular large airship last year.

[Karlark]

Still a little early for me to get into the nog.

The SPAS-4 is 13.1 meters in diameter. 21st Century Airships?

[skytrain10]

And it's opaque? Sorry Graeme, missed that....not opaque, but it has windows:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/a3c247a1-1.jpg

[Noyade]

Loading up the car with lazy asses....

...and then I thought of this...?

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3969/img194.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/i/img194.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

....or even the SPAS 13.....

[Lightning Mate]

Have a good day Graeme. :ok::\

[skytrain10]

21st Century Airships? That'll do for me Karl:ok:. Designed by Hokan Colting who claims to have produced what was, at the time, the worlds largest airship last year.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/a3c247a1.jpg

Karlark has control.

Edit, sorry Graeme and David, but Karl was there first with the manufacturer (which was all I wanted). As for the model number I am not entirely clear whether it was the -4 or -13. If it was the -13 it was clearly modified, so I am assuming it was the SPAS-4.

[Karlark]

Thanks Ken.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/54-3.jpg

I feel like I need to apologize for posting this one :)

[skytrain10]

A Santos-Dumont design?

[Karlark]

:ok: No. 9 balloon. Have to run... Skytrain has control.

[skytrain10]

Cheers Karl....going to have to prep one so if anyone else has anything ready feel free to post:ok:

[Noyade]

Back.

going to have to prep one

At your leisure mate. I'll see what you've created later. Goodnight. :)

[skytrain10]

Next one to consider:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/a12f28db.jpg

[Noyade]

You just don't quit Ken! A silhouetting machine. :)

Must be late over there?

Quick stab before you collapse....Ruschmeyer R90?

[skytrain10]

Ruschmeyer R90? Not a Ruschmeyer Graeme

Must be late over there? Its just gone 2300 now, so will be closing down soon.

[skytrain10]

Seem to be nobody around today:(

If anyone is lurking and needs a clue.....it's from Europe, turboprop powered.

[hesham]

Hi,

it was Socata TBM-850,as I think.

[hesham]

If it's correct,

please someone takes the control.

[Ridge Runner]

TBM-850

I don't think it is, Hesham!!!!

[skytrain10]

Apologies had to go out for a couple of hours.

it was Socata TBM-850,as I think. Not a SOCATA product Hesham, and not French.

I don't think it is, Hesham!!!! Quite right Martin....but what is it?

Incidentally as far as I can see it has not been put in to production, so I believe just the one built.

[Karlark]

Hello Ken, I guess German and come up with the Grob’s Ranger G160.

[skytrain10]

Hello Ken, I guess German and come up with the Grob’s Ranger G160. Good guess Karl, and a correct one:ok:.

Yes its the Grob G.160 Ranger....which it appears has never gone beyond prototype stage. Seems to have appeared both with and without winglets.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/ea3248c1.jpg

Karlark has control

[Karlark]

Thanks Ken. Here's the next one.. maybe easy;

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/55-4.jpg

[skytrain10]

Hi Karl...is it the Nexaer LS1?

[Noyade]

G'day Ken!

All very quiet mate? Your Grob is interesting, another new one for me. I kept looking for a long-nosed machine but it was like Pinocchio, seemed longer every time I looked at it...Don't know if it's an optical illusion but the silhouette's nose looks longer than the photo? Magic? Are you a wizard?

Does look like the Nexaer Ken. With spats...

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2077/2010123174113705.jpg (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/2010123174113705.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Morning mate. It's funny but I suppose because I've seen the G.160 at an airshow and at the time it got a lot of publicity I figured it would go quickly...but there is comparitively little information about it now, and even Grob's website makes no mention (that I can see) of it! Guess you don't advertise an aircraft that never made it.

There are photo's on the web with the LS1 wearing its spats, so I'm hopeful I've got it right:)

[Karlark]

That's it Ken. Your control. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Karl. I'll have to declare Open House as will be having an early night tonight - early start to work in the morning.

Will monitor for 30 mins or so but I'll say good night now, and wish you Karl, and Graeme, a good day.:)

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken. G'day Karlark.

I've got an empty silhouette bag, so I'll bid you goodnight. I'll check the thread later and get cracking with the textas. :)

Cheers guys.

[Karlark]

Cheers all.

Here's an easy one for the road, just in case.

It seems like it should already be on the list... but don't see it...

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/56-3.jpg

[Noyade]

Vickers Warwick. :ok:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/714/vickerswarwick.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/vickerswarwick.jpg/)

[Karlark]

aHa! :) I thought there might be a straggler lurking. :ok:

It's all yours Noyade.

[Noyade]

lurkingNo mate. Opportunism. PC is left on all day and occasionally if I'm home I'll walk by and press F5. :)

Thanks for the Warwick. Gotta love WW2 aircraft....

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2844/onepr.jpg (http://img843.imageshack.us/i/onepr.jpg/)

[Karlark]

Is it Italian?

[Noyade]

French, Karlark.

[Noyade]

Three-view might make it easier...

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9779/3view.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/3view.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme. A quick coffee break....is it the Hanriot H.220?

If so will have to be Open House as going to be pretty tied up for the day.

[Noyade]

Morning Ken. Productive coffee break mate. It is the Hanroit H.220. :ok:

Open House.

[SincoTC]

Good evening gentlemen!

Been in hectic today plus meetings all afternoon; so first time on SC today and it seems to have been a quiet day.

here's one to try and keep things moving!

Off home soon, but will turn green light off when I go and will put it back on when I get home :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf172.jpg

[ninjaconnie]

SAETA 200?


The Connie

[SincoTC]

Evening ninjaconnie,

Sorry, but it's not a SAETA

Edit:
Off home now, but will turn green light off when I go and will put it back on when I get home

Edit2:

No need to worry now, thanks Bri :)

[evansb]

Yakovlev YAK-17 ?

[SincoTC]

Well done, spot-on! It is the Yakovlev YAK-17 :D

evansb has control :ok:

[evansb]

Okay, thanks. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH111116.gif

[Karlark]

Hello, is it an M.150 Schulmeister training aircraft?

Edit; Open House if confirmed correct. Thanks!

[SincoTC]

:D:D:D:D I reckon that's a good Challenge and a great call from Karlark :ok:

[evansb]

Karlark is correct. It is the Continental C.90 powered Meindle (Burgfalke) M-150 Schulmeister. As per request, it is OPEN HOUSE.

[Karlark]

No takers on the O.H. has bought me time to gather up a new S.C...
Here it is;

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/56-4.jpg

[SincoTC]

Evening Karark,

I think that's a Canadian Fairchild 45-80 Sekani ??

[Karlark]

Evening SincoTC. Yes it is the 45-80 Sekani! :D:D:D:D

Another obscure one lost in history. It was the largest "bush" plane ever built. It was fit with both skis and floats. It nearly bankrupt Fairchild!

Here are a few pages of photos:

Image Bank – Canada Aviation Museum (http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/databases/image_bank/dig_img.cfm?Model=Fairchild%2045-80%20Sekani%20Floatplane)


You have control Sinco.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Karlark,

An interestig challenge; most of the photos on the web show it as a floatplane from the side; which looks nothing like your silhouette, fortunately I persisted because the description seemed to fit, then I happened across the Canadian Aviation site and found the image yuo had used (even that was captioned as a floatplane)!

Another early start for me, but I don't want this one tto linger as monitoring time will be limited, so here's an easy one for those on trailing or leading time zones ;) !

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC-wtf174.jpg

[Karlark]

Morning SincoTC, looks a little like a Loire et Olivier 45 series aircraft.

[SincoTC]

looks a little like a Loire et Olivier 45 series

And we know why that is don't we, 'coz it is :ok:

The caption says it's a Loire et Olivier LeO.451

I came across this almost ready-made silhouette while looking for images of the post-war flying laboratory 451E variant, which are quite scarce on the web, and being a lazy sod I couldn't resist using it despite that give-away tail

Karkark has control :D:D (or is too near bed-time?} :)

Oh well, back to work now for me, sleep well :ok:

[Karlark]

Yes, it is time to hit the sack. I leave this impromptu one, please move forward once confirmed by anyone.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/57-3.jpg

Thx Sinco, 'nite.

[Noyade]

Quick afternoon stab. Tupolev SB 2....?

looking for images of the post-war flying laboratory 451E variant(Hi Trevor, did you find a name for that winged bomb thing? :()

[SincoTC]

Hi Graeme,

Tupolev SB 2....?

That looks like a pretty good call and it gets my vote (or its Aka ANT-40)! My only concern is the T/E wing fillets seem a bit larger on the silhouette, but that may be just an illusion, or an artefact of the process.

Hopefully someone else will confirm too!

PM sent re winged thing :)

[Noyade]

PM sent re winged thing http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gifThanks mate...and replied. If it is the Tupolev, it'll have to open house, sorry.

[skytrain10]

Morning all. The other option is the Archangel Ar-2, which would have been my "favourite"!

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Ken et al. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

[skytrain10]

Morning David. Any view on the challenge....afraid I've upset things by not seconding! :)

[Lightning Mate]

Well I don't believe it's the Tupolev SB 2.

The Ant-40 / Ar-2 looks much more like it.

[sabredog]

Definitely the SB-RK AR2.
Not too sure how to post links, but this might help.

Tu-SB-RK / Arhangelsky Ar-2 (http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/2-USSR/04-Bombers/Ar-2/Ar-2.htm)

[SincoTC]

Good morning Gents :)!

That's better, the Archangel Ar-2 looks much more like it and answers my concern over the differences to the SB-2, alas I had no time to follow it up earlier this morning.

Thanks for the link SD, To me that matches Karlark's silhouette exactly

Good shot Ken :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Well, it's 0453 in Minnesota so we'll just wait........

[SincoTC]

Morning David,

Karl did say to carry on if there was an correct answer " please move forward once confirmed by anyone" With a closer look (and I'm properly awake now and have changed my mind :)), I'd say that SD's link confirms Ken's first post #4243 this morning, would you second that and give control to skytrain?

Coffee break's over now, seeya later if work permits :ok: