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India Four Two
21st Mar 2020, 15:16
I had never heard of the Aermacchi AL.60 so I looked it up and discovered it is the same aircraft as the one I posted, which is the Lockheed-Azcarate (LASA) 60.
An interesting history - designed by Al Mooney when he was at Lockheed:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_AL-60
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1137x650/5cbfae9d_57ba_4dd9_a714_f5848c6cd2c7_0c99a166d0fb2548a41ce02 505d8aa14df0bf6a8.jpeg
Quemerford has control.
Quemerford
21st Mar 2020, 17:01
I hope this does the trick:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x791/z2_36b115c96b5c853ddeb42fb46f606f2498fd21f6.jpg
Interesting to say the least.
Am I right in thinking that the aircrafts' right engine is on the fuselage ?
If so, then the strut between the two engines might be to improve torsional rigidity.
Quemerford
21st Mar 2020, 20:18
Interesting to say the least.
Am I right in thinking that the aircrafts' right engine is on the fuselage ?
If so, then the strut between the two engines might be to improve torsional rigidity.
No it's not: just the angle of the photo playing tricks!
Auxtank
21st Mar 2020, 20:18
Anyone up for severe/ extreme asymmetrical flight?
Surely not dook. Unless some weird testing aircraft experiment gone wrong.
That's a trusy old PA-32 Seminole - if ever I've seen one - and I've flown it.
Oh sh1t - wait - that strut - and the tail wheel - not it's not.
Piper though...wait a minute...that's high-wing - hence dook's confusion...
Auxtank
21st Mar 2020, 20:27
It looks like the mess you'd get if you crossed a Piper twin with a Cessna twin with some idiot adding "an extra leading edge" between the engines - and to stop them falling off.
I'm going to go back to original guess and say it's an Experimental prototype Piper.
Those are 360 Lyco's under those cowlings or I'll eat my hat.
treadigraph
21st Mar 2020, 20:27
Looks a bit like a modified Do-28A?
Self loading bear
21st Mar 2020, 21:08
More like modified Pilatus PC-8D prototype
But apparently not.
I'll run with the Dornier but can't find anything.
treadigraph
21st Mar 2020, 21:37
Helio Twin Courier!
Quemerford
22nd Mar 2020, 06:41
Treadigraph has it: glad it caused some amusement. It one of just seven Helio H.500/U-5A Twin Couriers. My kind of aircraft. :)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x801/helio_twin_courier_dcc51296c3ebe39306669c9ad558c548d041a5a3. jpg
Asturias56
22nd Mar 2020, 08:26
Can I ask how you guys generate silhouettes? My software doesn't seem to do it
Quemerford
22nd Mar 2020, 09:03
I use Paintshop Pro and blow up the image, drawing round the edges and colouring in the centre. It takes a while to do it! I'm not aware of a short-hand way but maybe I've been making things difficult for myself. Making the image more "contrasty" helps when using 'fill'.
treadigraph
22nd Mar 2020, 09:22
I actually thought it might be some version of the Stallion, never heard of the twin Courier.
Asturias,
I use Adobe Photoshop, probably the best of all. but expensive. I am fortunate that I did not purchase mine because it came with my last job.
The "extract" facility allows an object to be removed from its' background and superimposed on another, although so far I haven't used it here.
Asturias56
22nd Mar 2020, 09:52
I've got a load of drawing programmes bought for work but not Paintshop regretfully...................
The tool I use the most is the clone stamp which is useful in removing registrations and other incriminating evidence from a photo.
treadigraph,
Since you have the thread, do you have anything ?
treadigraph
23rd Mar 2020, 10:58
Ooops, my apologies, thought I had appended Open House after my last comment.
Asturias56
23rd Mar 2020, 12:20
treadigraph,
Since you have the thread, do you have anything ?
Careful!! Not too much enthusiasm or we'll have the mods back!!!
Let's keep this thread going as well.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/568x500/monday_91dfdecee8a394450e40d1af21186da603da8fd0.jpg
Quemerford
23rd Mar 2020, 19:23
Something venomous?
Self loading bear
23rd Mar 2020, 20:33
I think it is the Legend of Performance Aircraft.
There are multiple versions
- Legend
- Turbine Legend
- Venom (military , but yet unsold?)
The slight slope/knuckle before the stabilizer seems to be the Non-turbine Legend?
correction: there is no knuckle
(that is the left elevator)
so is the Turbine Legend
treadigraph
23rd Mar 2020, 20:40
Pereira GP-4 was my first thought but it doesn't look quite right.
Self loading bear
23rd Mar 2020, 21:10
Millenium Master?
The challenge was much earlier and single seat.
Auxtank
24th Mar 2020, 18:20
1970's/ 80's prototype British?
Late 70s.
Not a prototype, but only two or maybe more made.
Not British.
Kit.
Auxtank
24th Mar 2020, 18:34
2-seat side by side?
Post #11779 - single seat.
With many people isolating themselves I'm surprised there have been few questions.
American
single seat
supplied as a kit which is no longer available
first registered 1978
two registered with the FAA - both registrations later cancelled
probably no examples exist today
Auxtank
25th Mar 2020, 19:32
You don't think it a tad too obscure then...
You mean like the Dabos-Masclet JDM Roitelet on the Flying Machine thread ?
Auxtank
25th Mar 2020, 19:50
Fair point.
I'm annoyed that Asturias has posted something tricky on Which Aerodrome - can't get a handle on it whatsoever.
Also, a bit of cabin fever.
Thank God the Gov in it's wisdom had seen fit to classify Off-Licences as Essential Supplies.
Self loading bear
25th Mar 2020, 22:38
Airmotive EOS 1
I did an google aimed at aerofiles:
aerofiles 1978 = 1pClwM POP: 2 kit
but this one is not listed in Aerofiles and came up from Wikipedia.
Bear gets a gold. :D
Your stage.
treadigraph
25th Mar 2020, 22:52
Blimey, certainly have seen a photo of that in the past but would never have got the name! I was just looking at the Google library in old copies of Flying....
Self loading bear
26th Mar 2020, 08:02
Now an easy one.
This 100% for sure NOT generated in Flightsimulator:
As being easy,
exact type, registration and photographer.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/580x553/0aa07df4_790c_4f0a_b51e_46cb41197213_345f8fd9bed79154c25e7ec 9e2489ef9ce94ce19.jpeg
Do you want the type of tyres as well ?
Self loading bear
26th Mar 2020, 12:23
If you can proof type tyres and profile thickness as used during this flight I will hand out the bonus points again!
Quemerford
26th Mar 2020, 18:05
Photographer: Roger Bishop
Date: 5 October 2016
Location: Los Altos, California
Aircraft: Mooney M20K
Registration: N231KD
c/n: 25-0022
Just a guess; I may be wrong.
Self loading bear
26th Mar 2020, 18:13
Quemerford
has it to the detail.
I have another classic Moonshiner
for a later date
I'll get one ready as well.
Quemerford
26th Mar 2020, 18:45
OK try this one:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x493/image1a_a8a75852eb819ac20c7b731725cba2e077098e21.jpg
Designed for competition ?
Quemerford
26th Mar 2020, 22:16
I don't think so. Will check for sure.
Quemerford
26th Mar 2020, 22:49
No it seems not.
Asturias56
27th Mar 2020, 08:47
I was thinking Curtis Shrike but that was a 2 seater... I'm sure I've seen this one........ the Turner-Laird LTR-14 looks similar but the engine doesn't seem right
Perhaps the Supermarine 224?
Self loading bear
27th Mar 2020, 09:08
I think it is an inverted in-line engine like Gipsy Major?
several types come close like Miles Falcon or Hawk but then the cockpit is wrong .
I cannot make a stab but I am correct on the engine?
I think it's the Jones S-125.
Engine 125hp Menasco.
Quemerford
27th Mar 2020, 13:38
It is indeed:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x411/image1_5d54eb4c75ad25347686f0774c6491922d9ff646.jpg
Thank you Q.
We haven't had one of these for quite a while.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x366/friday_9eea5a4a7a030b23d68137f275b8cf643fefbbd4.jpg
Not much interest here. Go east.
The challenge was Japanese - first flew 1934.
Asturias56
29th Mar 2020, 16:15
Is it a Nakajima 91-sen? no - first flew in 1931
the Mitsubishi 2MR8??
Neither of those.
It is not a well-known name.
Designed and made by a university.
edit: first flew 1933
Zaxis
29th Mar 2020, 17:01
Kyu-Te Model 5 Secondary Glider ?
The Kyu-Te Model 5 Secondary Glider "Aso-go" was designed and built by the shipbuilding faculty of the University of Kyushu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyushu_University); called at the time "Kyushu Teikoku Daigaku" (Imperial Kyushu University) and therefore the "Kyu-Te" part of the name. The only example of the type, with the civilian designation J-BCYH, started to be built in early June 1933 and was completed in the middle of August of the same year.
Buy that man a large malt !
You have control Zaxis.
Zaxis
29th Mar 2020, 19:29
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x294/pprune_290320_1_ae0fad54897077256cb8b9a16a48b1ed61a4e67b.jpg
Less than 10 made
Malmo Flygindustri MFI-10 Vipan
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x247/malmo_flygindustri_mfi_10_vipan_1f3a199ca2b93c4d10cf9a5c243f 8dd65392f51a.jpg
Zaxis
30th Mar 2020, 21:27
Correct
In the meantime I enjoyed the malt.
Over to you
Cheers Zaxis - that was not easy.
This aeroplane should not be where it is....
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x449/tues_95a73d537caae205daead0ceff393e17165363db.jpg
Asturias56
31st Mar 2020, 13:28
German WW2 perhaps then?
sablatnic
31st Mar 2020, 14:26
Glider? USA?
Powered but not American.
Although the aeroplane is low over central London, it is in its' country of birth.
Two-seater.
Only one made, for a competition.
Asturias56
1st Apr 2020, 10:04
British then??
Asturias56
1st Apr 2020, 10:09
That tail is quite distinctive..............
treadigraph
1st Apr 2020, 11:01
Short Satellite G-EBJU - if so it will have to be OH...
treadigraph hits the target with the Short S4 Satellite.
He has invited OH.
Asturias56
1st Apr 2020, 14:29
Let us try this one..............
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/243x193/2020_03_31_102322_3c2d087903d4ad5056e9468ab3cff1bc284617e8.j pg
This is very elusive.
Am I thinking correctly that it was a military project and wasn't actually built ?
Asturias56
2nd Apr 2020, 09:45
Wrong on both counts I'm afraid - it was a civil project and they did build it - but I think only one flew - the prototype hung around in some strange spots for a long time but I don't think it still exists
Thank you 56.
Onwards......
irishair2001
2nd Apr 2020, 12:24
Looks like a Piper PA-35 Pocano
Asturias56
2nd Apr 2020, 15:31
It is not A Piper PA-35 Pocono - it's THE Pocono - only one built. It was too big for the pistons they fitted - should have waited for PT-6's really. AFAIK the prototype finished up in a village in Poland and was last seen around 1995.............. The vertical view was quite misleading - it looked a lot bigger than it really was. Our man in the west has the con!
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/257x80/2020_03_31_102311_073b1546dbdbbd5c5f6a81b7483559a8be7b2d7c.j pg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/189x93/2020_03_31_102332_edc08d90257f6323e1934849ec7187a33eb2a1c3.j pg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/517x296/2020_03_31_102408_3cd625fb741d151fe46f3d0dfbc3148c3207cba1.j pg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/532x580/2020_03_31_102526_14d4544f5640c336e392a666417788660cbaf823.j pg
Three days now with no response from irishair.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Self loading bear
5th Apr 2020, 19:45
First focus on that impossible What cockpit challenge.
If irishair has not responded by the time we have solved that one then we call Open House.
What is that by the way, hair on an iris?
I think we should move on.
Does anyone agree/disagree ?
Self loading bear
7th Apr 2020, 16:28
Agreed,
Irish air can always tah up a future OH.
Do you have something ?
I have......
treadigraph
7th Apr 2020, 16:48
Go for it!
Here we go then.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x525/tuesday_373ae1bed1f2b59e0328513da44185503bef8799.jpg
The Piper Skycycle it is.
gyp has the thread.
Nothing from me thanks.
Open house
The thread has gone very quiet.
Self loading bear
10th Apr 2020, 19:35
Happy easter,
shamelessly copied:
Name them top down
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/350x1109/b4e5d5d5_2175_4ee9_8cfc_d76a483e3b5f_bc03fb86e88503cd954e3f8 7046fdbecb86b02d1.jpeg
John Eacott
10th Apr 2020, 20:41
Happy easter,
shamelessly copied:
Name them top down
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/350x1109/b4e5d5d5_2175_4ee9_8cfc_d76a483e3b5f_bc03fb86e88503cd954e3f8 7046fdbecb86b02d1.jpeg
BK117
EC155 with Blue Edge blades
EC145T2/H145
EC135
EC120
AS350 Squirrel
Self loading bear
10th Apr 2020, 22:21
It ain’t Eurocopter anymore...
John Eacott
10th Apr 2020, 23:01
It ain’t Eurocopter anymore...
Seriously?
No wonder these 'spotters' threads aren't popular when the Chosen Few want to hold it all to themselves, with their rules.
My model designations are correct for the types portrayed, and nowhere do I use the term Eurocopter nor Airbus. Count me out and have it your way.
Self loading bear
10th Apr 2020, 23:28
No you had a 4/5 score
and the missing one is not a Eurocopter
John Eacott
11th Apr 2020, 00:23
No you had a 4/5 score
and the missing one is not a Eurocopter
Then why not say so, instead of implying I don't know what is Eurocopter. You're emulating dook and others with their stupid guessing games and pointless ambiguous clues instead of photos. No wonder the spotters threads have gone so quiet, even with the 24 hour rule being relaxed.
The one non-Eurocopter in that set of silhouettes is the BK-117, made by a consortium of MBB and Kawasaki: I owned one.
The second image is, from your more useful post, more likely to be the H160 rather than the development EC155.
Self loading bear
11th Apr 2020, 08:37
John,
When I posted the challenge I already knew some people would be more in favour of the type designations as on the certificates rather then the new marketing type numbers of Airbus.
So my Eurocopter comment was rather tong in cheek and I new I would pull some Flak.
Not knowing you would pull out a complete battalion of Patriots.
I was trying to encourage some replies from others.
If I would have stated 4/5 right away, most other contenders would not want to steal the challenge from you.
If you want the thread improved you can only do so by actively contributing to it so I hope you have something ready. As with the H-160 you have scored 5/5.
The challenge was from an online color book as released by Airbus Helicopters (https://www.airbus.com/content/dam/stock-and-creative/illustrations/AHI-coloring-book-2020.pdf)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/725x1119/8d489775_c8ac_4d12_9337_17c8f8b29c76_aa6859199d3fcd41264b36b 85fecac2411bc160d.jpeg