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India Four Two
21st Mar 2020, 15:16
I had never heard of the Aermacchi AL.60 so I looked it up and discovered it is the same aircraft as the one I posted, which is the Lockheed-Azcarate (LASA) 60.

An interesting history - designed by Al Mooney when he was at Lockheed:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_AL-60


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1137x650/5cbfae9d_57ba_4dd9_a714_f5848c6cd2c7_0c99a166d0fb2548a41ce02 505d8aa14df0bf6a8.jpeg

Quemerford has control.

Quemerford
21st Mar 2020, 17:01
I hope this does the trick:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x791/z2_36b115c96b5c853ddeb42fb46f606f2498fd21f6.jpg

dook
21st Mar 2020, 20:12
Interesting to say the least.

Am I right in thinking that the aircrafts' right engine is on the fuselage ?

If so, then the strut between the two engines might be to improve torsional rigidity.

Quemerford
21st Mar 2020, 20:18
Interesting to say the least.

Am I right in thinking that the aircrafts' right engine is on the fuselage ?

If so, then the strut between the two engines might be to improve torsional rigidity.

No it's not: just the angle of the photo playing tricks!

Auxtank
21st Mar 2020, 20:18
Anyone up for severe/ extreme asymmetrical flight?

Surely not dook. Unless some weird testing aircraft experiment gone wrong.

That's a trusy old PA-32 Seminole - if ever I've seen one - and I've flown it.

Oh sh1t - wait - that strut - and the tail wheel - not it's not.

Piper though...wait a minute...that's high-wing - hence dook's confusion...

Auxtank
21st Mar 2020, 20:27
It looks like the mess you'd get if you crossed a Piper twin with a Cessna twin with some idiot adding "an extra leading edge" between the engines - and to stop them falling off.

I'm going to go back to original guess and say it's an Experimental prototype Piper.
Those are 360 Lyco's under those cowlings or I'll eat my hat.

treadigraph
21st Mar 2020, 20:27
Looks a bit like a modified Do-28A?

Self loading bear
21st Mar 2020, 21:08
More like modified Pilatus PC-8D prototype
But apparently not.

dook
21st Mar 2020, 21:35
I'll run with the Dornier but can't find anything.

treadigraph
21st Mar 2020, 21:37
Helio Twin Courier!

Quemerford
22nd Mar 2020, 06:41
Treadigraph has it: glad it caused some amusement. It one of just seven Helio H.500/U-5A Twin Couriers. My kind of aircraft. :)

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x801/helio_twin_courier_dcc51296c3ebe39306669c9ad558c548d041a5a3. jpg

Asturias56
22nd Mar 2020, 08:26
Can I ask how you guys generate silhouettes? My software doesn't seem to do it

Quemerford
22nd Mar 2020, 09:03
I use Paintshop Pro and blow up the image, drawing round the edges and colouring in the centre. It takes a while to do it! I'm not aware of a short-hand way but maybe I've been making things difficult for myself. Making the image more "contrasty" helps when using 'fill'.

treadigraph
22nd Mar 2020, 09:22
I actually thought it might be some version of the Stallion, never heard of the twin Courier.

dook
22nd Mar 2020, 09:46
Asturias,

I use Adobe Photoshop, probably the best of all. but expensive. I am fortunate that I did not purchase mine because it came with my last job.

The "extract" facility allows an object to be removed from its' background and superimposed on another, although so far I haven't used it here.

Asturias56
22nd Mar 2020, 09:52
I've got a load of drawing programmes bought for work but not Paintshop regretfully...................

dook
22nd Mar 2020, 09:54
The tool I use the most is the clone stamp which is useful in removing registrations and other incriminating evidence from a photo.

dook
23rd Mar 2020, 09:48
treadigraph,

Since you have the thread, do you have anything ?

treadigraph
23rd Mar 2020, 10:58
Ooops, my apologies, thought I had appended Open House after my last comment.

Asturias56
23rd Mar 2020, 12:20
treadigraph,

Since you have the thread, do you have anything ?


Careful!! Not too much enthusiasm or we'll have the mods back!!!

dook
23rd Mar 2020, 18:57
Let's keep this thread going as well.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/568x500/monday_91dfdecee8a394450e40d1af21186da603da8fd0.jpg

Quemerford
23rd Mar 2020, 19:23
Something venomous?

dook
23rd Mar 2020, 19:50
Not that I know of.

Self loading bear
23rd Mar 2020, 20:33
I think it is the Legend of Performance Aircraft.
There are multiple versions
- Legend
- Turbine Legend
- Venom (military , but yet unsold?)

The slight slope/knuckle before the stabilizer seems to be the Non-turbine Legend?

correction: there is no knuckle
(that is the left elevator)
so is the Turbine Legend

dook
23rd Mar 2020, 20:38
I'm afraid not.

treadigraph
23rd Mar 2020, 20:40
Pereira GP-4 was my first thought but it doesn't look quite right.

dook
23rd Mar 2020, 20:42
Good try but no.

Self loading bear
23rd Mar 2020, 21:10
Millenium Master?

dook
23rd Mar 2020, 21:21
The challenge was much earlier and single seat.

Auxtank
24th Mar 2020, 18:20
1970's/ 80's prototype British?

dook
24th Mar 2020, 18:26
Late 70s.

Not a prototype, but only two or maybe more made.

Not British.

Kit.

Auxtank
24th Mar 2020, 18:34
2-seat side by side?

dook
24th Mar 2020, 18:36
Post #11779 - single seat.

dook
25th Mar 2020, 19:18
With many people isolating themselves I'm surprised there have been few questions.

American
single seat
supplied as a kit which is no longer available
first registered 1978
two registered with the FAA - both registrations later cancelled
probably no examples exist today

Auxtank
25th Mar 2020, 19:32
You don't think it a tad too obscure then...

dook
25th Mar 2020, 19:43
You mean like the Dabos-Masclet JDM Roitelet on the Flying Machine thread ?

Auxtank
25th Mar 2020, 19:50
Fair point.
I'm annoyed that Asturias has posted something tricky on Which Aerodrome - can't get a handle on it whatsoever.

Also, a bit of cabin fever.

Thank God the Gov in it's wisdom had seen fit to classify Off-Licences as Essential Supplies.

Self loading bear
25th Mar 2020, 22:38
Airmotive EOS 1
I did an google aimed at aerofiles:
aerofiles 1978 = 1pClwM POP: 2 kit
but this one is not listed in Aerofiles and came up from Wikipedia.

dook
25th Mar 2020, 22:46
Bear gets a gold. :D

Your stage.

treadigraph
25th Mar 2020, 22:52
Blimey, certainly have seen a photo of that in the past but would never have got the name! I was just looking at the Google library in old copies of Flying....

dook
25th Mar 2020, 22:55
Good 'ere innit..

Self loading bear
26th Mar 2020, 08:02
Now an easy one.
This 100% for sure NOT generated in Flightsimulator:
As being easy,
exact type, registration and photographer.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/580x553/0aa07df4_790c_4f0a_b51e_46cb41197213_345f8fd9bed79154c25e7ec 9e2489ef9ce94ce19.jpeg

dook
26th Mar 2020, 10:31
Do you want the type of tyres as well ?

Self loading bear
26th Mar 2020, 12:23
If you can proof type tyres and profile thickness as used during this flight I will hand out the bonus points again!

Quemerford
26th Mar 2020, 18:05
Photographer: Roger Bishop
Date: 5 October 2016
Location: Los Altos, California
Aircraft: Mooney M20K
Registration: N231KD
c/n: 25-0022

Just a guess; I may be wrong.

Self loading bear
26th Mar 2020, 18:13
Quemerford
has it to the detail.

I have another classic Moonshiner
for a later date

dook
26th Mar 2020, 18:35
I'll get one ready as well.

Quemerford
26th Mar 2020, 18:45
OK try this one:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x493/image1a_a8a75852eb819ac20c7b731725cba2e077098e21.jpg

dook
26th Mar 2020, 21:39
Designed for competition ?

Quemerford
26th Mar 2020, 22:16
I don't think so. Will check for sure.

Quemerford
26th Mar 2020, 22:49
No it seems not.

Asturias56
27th Mar 2020, 08:47
I was thinking Curtis Shrike but that was a 2 seater... I'm sure I've seen this one........ the Turner-Laird LTR-14 looks similar but the engine doesn't seem right

Perhaps the Supermarine 224?

Self loading bear
27th Mar 2020, 09:08
I think it is an inverted in-line engine like Gipsy Major?
several types come close like Miles Falcon or Hawk but then the cockpit is wrong .
I cannot make a stab but I am correct on the engine?

dook
27th Mar 2020, 11:38
I think it's the Jones S-125.

Engine 125hp Menasco.

Quemerford
27th Mar 2020, 13:38
It is indeed:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x411/image1_5d54eb4c75ad25347686f0774c6491922d9ff646.jpg

dook
27th Mar 2020, 15:16
Thank you Q.

We haven't had one of these for quite a while.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x366/friday_9eea5a4a7a030b23d68137f275b8cf643fefbbd4.jpg

dook
29th Mar 2020, 10:12
Not much interest here. Go east.

dook
29th Mar 2020, 15:32
The challenge was Japanese - first flew 1934.

Asturias56
29th Mar 2020, 16:15
Is it a Nakajima 91-sen? no - first flew in 1931

the Mitsubishi 2MR8??

dook
29th Mar 2020, 16:27
Neither of those.

It is not a well-known name.

Designed and made by a university.

edit: first flew 1933

Zaxis
29th Mar 2020, 17:01
Kyu-Te Model 5 Secondary Glider ?
The Kyu-Te Model 5 Secondary Glider "Aso-go" was designed and built by the shipbuilding faculty of the University of Kyushu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyushu_University); called at the time "Kyushu Teikoku Daigaku" (Imperial Kyushu University) and therefore the "Kyu-Te" part of the name. The only example of the type, with the civilian designation J-BCYH, started to be built in early June 1933 and was completed in the middle of August of the same year.

dook
29th Mar 2020, 17:23
Buy that man a large malt !

You have control Zaxis.

Zaxis
29th Mar 2020, 19:29
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x294/pprune_290320_1_ae0fad54897077256cb8b9a16a48b1ed61a4e67b.jpg

Less than 10 made

dook
30th Mar 2020, 20:51
Malmo Flygindustri MFI-10 Vipan


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x247/malmo_flygindustri_mfi_10_vipan_1f3a199ca2b93c4d10cf9a5c243f 8dd65392f51a.jpg

Zaxis
30th Mar 2020, 21:27
Correct
In the meantime I enjoyed the malt.
Over to you

dook
31st Mar 2020, 11:02
Cheers Zaxis - that was not easy.

This aeroplane should not be where it is....

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x449/tues_95a73d537caae205daead0ceff393e17165363db.jpg

Asturias56
31st Mar 2020, 13:28
German WW2 perhaps then?

dook
31st Mar 2020, 13:39
Pre-WW2 and not German.

sablatnic
31st Mar 2020, 14:26
Glider? USA?

dook
31st Mar 2020, 14:33
Powered but not American.

dook
1st Apr 2020, 09:46
Although the aeroplane is low over central London, it is in its' country of birth.

Two-seater.

Only one made, for a competition.

Asturias56
1st Apr 2020, 10:04
British then??

dook
1st Apr 2020, 10:05
British indeed.

Asturias56
1st Apr 2020, 10:09
That tail is quite distinctive..............

treadigraph
1st Apr 2020, 11:01
Short Satellite G-EBJU - if so it will have to be OH...

dook
1st Apr 2020, 11:25
treadigraph hits the target with the Short S4 Satellite.

He has invited OH.

Asturias56
1st Apr 2020, 14:29
Let us try this one..............

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/243x193/2020_03_31_102322_3c2d087903d4ad5056e9468ab3cff1bc284617e8.j pg

dook
2nd Apr 2020, 09:17
This is very elusive.

Am I thinking correctly that it was a military project and wasn't actually built ?

Asturias56
2nd Apr 2020, 09:45
Wrong on both counts I'm afraid - it was a civil project and they did build it - but I think only one flew - the prototype hung around in some strange spots for a long time but I don't think it still exists

dook
2nd Apr 2020, 10:09
Thank you 56.

Onwards......

irishair2001
2nd Apr 2020, 12:24
Looks like a Piper PA-35 Pocano

Asturias56
2nd Apr 2020, 15:31
It is not A Piper PA-35 Pocono - it's THE Pocono - only one built. It was too big for the pistons they fitted - should have waited for PT-6's really. AFAIK the prototype finished up in a village in Poland and was last seen around 1995.............. The vertical view was quite misleading - it looked a lot bigger than it really was. Our man in the west has the con!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/257x80/2020_03_31_102311_073b1546dbdbbd5c5f6a81b7483559a8be7b2d7c.j pg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/189x93/2020_03_31_102332_edc08d90257f6323e1934849ec7187a33eb2a1c3.j pg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/517x296/2020_03_31_102408_3cd625fb741d151fe46f3d0dfbc3148c3207cba1.j pg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/532x580/2020_03_31_102526_14d4544f5640c336e392a666417788660cbaf823.j pg

dook
5th Apr 2020, 16:06
Three days now with no response from irishair.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Self loading bear
5th Apr 2020, 19:45
First focus on that impossible What cockpit challenge.
If irishair has not responded by the time we have solved that one then we call Open House.
What is that by the way, hair on an iris?

dook
7th Apr 2020, 14:31
I think we should move on.

Does anyone agree/disagree ?

Self loading bear
7th Apr 2020, 16:28
Agreed,

Irish air can always tah up a future OH.

dook
7th Apr 2020, 16:30
Do you have something ?

I have......

treadigraph
7th Apr 2020, 16:48
Go for it!

dook
7th Apr 2020, 16:57
Here we go then.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x525/tuesday_373ae1bed1f2b59e0328513da44185503bef8799.jpg

gyp
8th Apr 2020, 12:04
Piper Skycycle

dook
8th Apr 2020, 12:28
The Piper Skycycle it is.

gyp has the thread.

gyp
8th Apr 2020, 16:03
Nothing from me thanks.

Open house

dook
10th Apr 2020, 18:21
The thread has gone very quiet.

Self loading bear
10th Apr 2020, 19:35
Happy easter,

shamelessly copied:
Name them top down

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/350x1109/b4e5d5d5_2175_4ee9_8cfc_d76a483e3b5f_bc03fb86e88503cd954e3f8 7046fdbecb86b02d1.jpeg

John Eacott
10th Apr 2020, 20:41
Happy easter,

shamelessly copied:
Name them top down

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/350x1109/b4e5d5d5_2175_4ee9_8cfc_d76a483e3b5f_bc03fb86e88503cd954e3f8 7046fdbecb86b02d1.jpeg

BK117

EC155 with Blue Edge blades

EC145T2/H145

EC135

EC120

AS350 Squirrel

Self loading bear
10th Apr 2020, 22:21
It ain’t Eurocopter anymore...

John Eacott
10th Apr 2020, 23:01
It ain’t Eurocopter anymore...

Seriously?

No wonder these 'spotters' threads aren't popular when the Chosen Few want to hold it all to themselves, with their rules.

My model designations are correct for the types portrayed, and nowhere do I use the term Eurocopter nor Airbus. Count me out and have it your way.

Self loading bear
10th Apr 2020, 23:28
No you had a 4/5 score
and the missing one is not a Eurocopter

John Eacott
11th Apr 2020, 00:23
No you had a 4/5 score
and the missing one is not a Eurocopter

Then why not say so, instead of implying I don't know what is Eurocopter. You're emulating dook and others with their stupid guessing games and pointless ambiguous clues instead of photos. No wonder the spotters threads have gone so quiet, even with the 24 hour rule being relaxed.

The one non-Eurocopter in that set of silhouettes is the BK-117, made by a consortium of MBB and Kawasaki: I owned one.

The second image is, from your more useful post, more likely to be the H160 rather than the development EC155.

Self loading bear
11th Apr 2020, 08:37
John,

When I posted the challenge I already knew some people would be more in favour of the type designations as on the certificates rather then the new marketing type numbers of Airbus.

So my Eurocopter comment was rather tong in cheek and I new I would pull some Flak.
Not knowing you would pull out a complete battalion of Patriots.
I was trying to encourage some replies from others.
If I would have stated 4/5 right away, most other contenders would not want to steal the challenge from you.

If you want the thread improved you can only do so by actively contributing to it so I hope you have something ready. As with the H-160 you have scored 5/5.

The challenge was from an online color book as released by Airbus Helicopters (https://www.airbus.com/content/dam/stock-and-creative/illustrations/AHI-coloring-book-2020.pdf)


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/725x1119/8d489775_c8ac_4d12_9337_17c8f8b29c76_aa6859199d3fcd41264b36b 85fecac2411bc160d.jpeg