Heikkis' Silhouette Challenge

[Noyade]

Gave up on AviaFrance mate - loading pages too slowly.
I'll try for a Cauldron?

[skytrain10]

Good morning. Looks like the Block 800P?

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/cww2/mb800/mb800-c1.jpg

[Karlark]

Yes Ken, the Bloch 800P is correct. :D.
Also known as a SNCASO SO.80.

Bloch 800-P - Transport postal - Un sicle d'aviation franaise (http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance1.php?ID=10139&ID_CONSTRUCTEUR=1145&ANNEE=0&ID_MISSION=0&MOTCLEF=)

MB 800 (http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/civil-bloch-aircraft/mb-800.html?L=1)

Skytrain10's control

[skytrain10]

No guesses? To help you a long a recent (2000's) design. Not a homebuild.

Edit, challenge withdrawn.

[skytrain10]

No interest today and not around much over the weekend so challenge withdrawn.

Open House.

[Noyade]

Evening Ken. :)

No guesses?Plenty of guesses mate, but none will be close. My problem I think is my brain hasn't moved on much from the mid-80s regards light aircraft. I see your image and still think in terms of Beech or Piper. In fact my first thought was the Aerotec 122, which it isn't.

Sorry mate, need a lot more clues. :(

[Karlark]

I thought Beech 23 but I know that was wrong.

[Noyade]

Edit, challenge withdrawn.Happy to have it back if you want mate. :)

Well, in the meantime, just for a laugh...my youngest son recently went to see Battleship...
Battleship (2012) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1440129/)

Since then, much to my disgust (:(:)), he now builds warship models. The latest Revell kit he built has this illustration in the instructions..

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7421/img051i.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/img051i.jpg/)

What do you think the seaplanes are?
And what's the warship?

:)

[MReyn24050]

USS New Jersey with Vought OS2U Kingfisher perhaps, if not the New Jersey then the USS Missouri.

[Noyade]

G'day mate, sorry, but no.

(This seaplane is already on your list)

Here's my 'ghosty' silhouette of the model piece. Eat ya heart out David. :)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6633/img052t.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/img052t.jpg/)

[Noyade]

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/5082/img1162d.jpg (http://img607.imageshack.us/i/img1162d.jpg/)

[Noyade]

then the USS Missouri.

Just saw that mate. Yes indeed. :ok:

The seaplane?.......

[MReyn24050]

Curtiss SC Seahawk?

[Noyade]

Curtiss SC Seahawk?

I believe that's what it's meant to be Mel. But I guess with scaling around 1:540, aircraft get distorted.

:ok:

[MReyn24050]

That is true Graeme. It must be Open House I am afraid.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning/evening/g'day all.

Here's my 'ghosty' silhouette of the model piece. Eat ya heart out David. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

I'll try to improve Graeme!!

Is this better?....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/gday.jpg

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon LM,

Apologies for absence, just back from a business trip!

That looks like the Focke-Wulf F 19 Ente, the prototype that took the Wulf out of FW :ooh:!!

[Lightning Mate]

....and good 'artnoon to you TC.

That will be the one - all yours. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Thanks David,

This one should be fairly straightforward

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf244.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Things often should be straightforward!

Is it Polish?

Appears on first inspection to be a two-seater, but I have my doubts.

[SincoTC]

It is a two-seater, but not from Poland

[evansb]

Fokker S.11 ?

[Noyade]

Fellow Challengers. :)

Nord N.3202?

[SincoTC]

Fellow Challengers.

Good morning Brian, good evening Graeme :)

Australia has it, it is the Nord 3202 :D

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/nord-3202.jpg

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor.

Don't have a silhouette mate, but I've got a photo which may help you with the Cockpit Challenge...

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5651/img056tm.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/img056tm.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Don't have a silhouette mate......

Then get yer backside into gear.....

[Noyade]

The one in the background is black. :)

[SincoTC]

Thanks mate,

I hadn't seen the the new cockpit yet, a bit hectic here, the cupboard is bare, so gotta nip out and get some provisions shortly.

This looks familiar, is it one of those fan-in-wing jobbers?

[Noyade]

Mock-ups on display at the El Toro Airbase in 1986. V/STOL jet fighter project.

fan-in-wing jobbers?Not sure how it was suppose to work mate.

[Lightning Mate]

Not sure how it was suppose to work mate.

Big lifting wing and intakes. Engine (fan) buried inside.

[Noyade]

Trevor, an expert source tells me it had a big lifting wing and intakes. Engine (fan) buried inside.

:)

[Noyade]

...and I can't find this thing on the net.

Tell ya what - just after a name.
Complete this sentence...

Saint George and the _ _ _ _ _ _

[Lightning Mate]

Even with the name I can't find it!!!

...apart from the fact the the Dragon is a twin tilt-rotor helicopter.

[Noyade]

Well, lets just forget it then. :)

Make it open house.

I have it as the Phalanx Dragon, then renamed American Aircraft Corporation Dragon.

[Lightning Mate]

Guess what is on the web..................

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/PhalanxDragon.jpg

[SincoTC]

I knew I'd seen it somewhere!! Never have got there without the name though, but at least it is on the Web mate:ok:

1986 | 1650 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1986/1986%20-%201650.html)

Now, I have to get to the shops, catchya later!

Edit: I see you found it too David :D

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/trolley.jpg

[SincoTC]

Bl:mad:dy Trolley :\

Still OH, try this one then!

Edit: OooPs just beaten to it

Challenge removed 'tiz one up my sleeve now :)

[Lightning Mate]

Just as I say the TC, you bounce back.

[SincoTC]

Sorry mate, shops took longer than I thought, then I cocked up my gimping and had to redo it :ugh:

Fairly high AR wing there, a glider or is that some ventral jet there/

[Lightning Mate]

I've withdrawn it mate.

I think you should post one.......

[SincoTC]

OK, you can keep that one for a rainy day (:\:\:\ a dry day would be nice wouldn't it:)) Here is the one that I now have up my sleeve!!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf245.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Doesn't appear to be armed............

[SincoTC]

Appearances can be deceptive :E

It had the lot, one fixed forward-firing MG, one free-mounted MG in rear cockpit, plus bombs or torpedo for good measure, but none show on the original image :)

[Lightning Mate]

Blackburn B-5 Baffin

[SincoTC]

That's the one mate!

The Blackburn B-5 Baffin Torpedo Bomber :D

Blackburn Baffin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Baffin)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/baffin.jpg

Lightning Mate has control :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks TC, and good morning.

I wonder who will be around today/this evening.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/satblues.jpg

[Noyade]

The EDO XOSE-1?

If so - sorry, must be open house.

Then get yer backside into gear.....I will, I will. Been a busy weekend and my brother visited. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Evening mate.

That's the one. :ok:

Sorry about screwing with the cockpit challenge - got TC though!

Open House gentlemen.

[SincoTC]

Here's one to keep the ball rolling.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf246.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Big Gotcha on the cockpit thread TC. :E:mad:


err..........isn't the prop going to hit something above the cowling.....:\

Some kind of camera ship?

[SincoTC]

Sure was :)!! Not paying enough attention really, too much of a flap after screwing up my Puffin silhouette in the rush to post and then finding you'd got there first, but then withdrew your challenge, I should have spotted the collective lever :O

err..........isn't the prop going to hit something above the cowling.....

No Mate, it's mounted on the wing support strut, well clear of the prop-swing

[Lightning Mate]

Some kind of early aerodynamics research job?

[SincoTC]

Some kind of camera ship?

Just an ordinary Observation/liaison aeroplane!

Edit: to include next question

That long pitot doesn't appear in many photos, although it is very clear in in the image I used (maybe of the prototype) I would ignore it :)

[Lightning Mate]

I'm intrigued!

Parasol monoplane or bipe with parasol upper ?

[SincoTC]

A Parasol monoplane

Edit to say that the gap in the vertical stab, apparently to allow adjustment of the incidence of the Horizontal stab, appears in most drawings, but few photos, so I assume that adjustment was not required and it was omitted sometime in production

[Lightning Mate]

A Lublin...?

[SincoTC]

It is a Lublin :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Short rear fuselage - a cowled R-XIV ?

[SincoTC]

Unlucky, not an XIV

[Lightning Mate]

Unhappy about the cowling - R-XIII ?

[SincoTC]

There do seem to be a lot of variations to the engines/cowlings, but it is the Lublin R-XIII :D

Lublin R-XIII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lublin_R-XIII)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/lublinRXIII.jpg

Lightning Mate has control :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry mate - I've been watching the opening of the mens' final.

Please standby......

Here's the one from yesterday - risky because I think you probably saved it....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/satoutthere.jpg

[SincoTC]

Sorry mate - I've been watching the opening of the mens' final

Not to worry mate, I've had unexpected visitors, they've gone now but I've loads to do and miles behind schedule now, but will try and give some attention between tasks :)

I did save it but haven't given it a look since you withdrew it!

Is it powered, it has a fairly high AR, but I'm suspicious of the protrusion on the belly profile?

[Lightning Mate]

Powered.........

[SincoTC]

Time for a quick look before the kitchen calls!

Powered.........

Not going to get far on that mate (me, not the aircraft that is :))

How many engines, where mounted and what type?

Built and flown, or a project and what was its role?

[Cows getting bigger]

Move the wings back a few feet and I would have said Bell X-1

[Lightning Mate]

How many engines, where mounted and what type?

Built and flown, or a
project and what was its role?

One piston at the front - propellor.

Built & flown - target drone. :)

Move the wings back a few feet and I would have said Bell X-1

Not quite as fast as that. :\

[SincoTC]

One piston at the front - propellor

That makes it a lot easier, I'd say it's the Radioplane OQ-17 ??

[Noyade]

Radioplane OQ-17Thumbs up from me! :ok:

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9071/17725567.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/17725567.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme :ok:

This one has appeared before, but not this version, which in side view like this is very different as 'm sure you'll agree.

I'm off to bed soon, but I you could get it before I close down, if not, let "usual Rules" apply :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf247.jpg

[Noyade]

Looks like the Tomashyevich Pegas (Aircraft 04)?

* Just found this on the net. Open House if it is 04. Cheers.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4271/38061384.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/38061384.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Of course it does, it is the Tomashyevich Pegas (Aircraft 04)

I knew it was a lost cause with you about, but it was all I had ready :O

Looks like it ran into a wall, needs a new nose now :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/pegas-4.jpg

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor. :)

Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

Nicely done with the Radioplane TC. :ok:

I'm off to work shortly, so I'll check in this evening.

[Noyade]

I'll check in this evening. Times, they are a changing, eh? I can post one, but I'll be in bed before you see it. If you answer it, I'll be able to reply tomorrow morning, but you'll be in bed. Such is life.

Ah, what the heck. :) Simple one...

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9554/93507682.jpg (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/93507682.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme,

Just looking in while having my lunch break, been nobody about this morning!

A quick stab at your "simple one", is that a Hawker Typhoon firing off a pair of rockets?

Edit:

Lunch break over now and back to work, no lights on and I think that Graeme has gone to bed now (see Challenge thread).

Busy afternoon ahead here, so I will request Open House if judged correct :)

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like a hit TC- at least that's what I would have said.

[Lightning Mate]

Evening Trevor. :)

I'm sure Graeme will be happy for you to go for it.......

[SincoTC]

Evening LM :),

Been an awful quiet day today, no sign of Martin or Ken, I've seen Mel and Bri's lights on when I looked in at breaks and of course Graeme posted at lunchtime, but I've had too much on today to put anything up before that.

Looks like a hit TC- at least that's what I would have said

Thanks for the vote of confidence! Obviously, we're not going to get any judgement from Graeme for several hours yet, but I'm sure he'd be happy for the thread to move on even if it turns out to be wrong! After all, he didn't throw his toys out of the pram over the cocpit cock-up the other day!!

I'm not going to post anything right now, as I'm off home shortly and when I tried to look in when I got up this morning, my home Internet was down again after more overnight rain!! Apparently, there's an underground culvert near the local exchange that keeps flooding and shorting everything out. It's only the fourth time they've "fixed" it and the last time it was off for several days, so I don't know if it'll be back up yet, but I'll check in again later if it is! So if you want to take the OH, please feel free, I expect Canada/USA and Oz will be back on later and Ken too I hope

[Lightning Mate]

Can't do that mate.

Only about five hours before bed and can't access the thread tomorrow. :mad:

[SincoTC]

Bummer!!

Well, apart from putting one up under "Usual Rules", with a caveat that it expires to OH if it's not gone by noon Zulu tomorrow, I guess you'll have to sit it out for a while and hope someone else turns up, or my connection is working when I get home, which won't be for about ninety mins as I've got to go somewhere on the way!

Catchya later I hope :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

....apart from putting one up under "Usual Rules", with a caveat that it expires
to OH....

Well, I can post an easy one with the same rules - after all, we don't want Graeme getting bored do we!!

[Noyade]

You had me at Typhoon boys. :ok:
Should have moved on.

Open House - I think?

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5899/img064f.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/img064f.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

A quick check-in from home - quiet innit!

See you this evening.

[SincoTC]

quiet innit!

Sure is mate! I've been in meetings all day, still busy but will keep an eye on this from time to time.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf248.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Hi all!

French???

The large double-floored transport by SNCAC?

RR

[SincoTC]

Hi Martin :),

Not French mate!

[Cows getting bigger]

Naughty angle I feel. ;) ATL-98 Carvair?

If so, OH.

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon CGB and a belated welcome to the thread :)

Naughty angle I feel. ATL-98 Carvair

Well done, it is the Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair :D

Naughty I agree, but any other view would have been far too easy

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/carvair.jpg

Unfortunately, it's back to an Open House

[Ridge Runner]

Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Of course!!!!! Silly me!!!! RR

[Lightning Mate]

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/5828/tuesnite.jpg

[Noyade]

Good evening David. :)

I'm sure I've seen this somewhere.....French?

[Noyade]

No, German....?

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2556/img068li.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/i/img068li.jpg/)

(I'm up a little earlier than usual - two nice policeman called at 0230 hrs to inform me my son's car, registered in my name, is now a pile of ashes. Gonna try and get a few more hours of sleep, and then make some phone calls. So, open house if it's the Dornier thingamagig. Cheers.)

[Lightning Mate]

Nicely done mate. :D

What on earth happened to your son? I do hope he's OK. Insurance could be tricky in future if he's young.

Open House has been declared.

[Ridge Runner]

oo long without a bite so ....

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/a495f3d9.jpg

An easy one!

RR

[Lightning Mate]

Hello Martin. :)

Are you interested in the Savoia-Marchetti SM.91 ?

[Ridge Runner]

Hello David,

That's the one .... Over to you!!!!!!

RR

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/minemine-1.jpg

[Noyade]

I do hope he's OKHe's good. Just slept while his car burnt to a crisp. :hmm: Thanks for asking.

Yours would have to be the Handley-Page H.P.47.

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/4890/img069w.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/img069w.jpg/)

Doesn't seem to be many around these days mate. A confirmation seems unlikely before your 0600 hr rise tomorrow and not much happens on the "night-shift", so daredevil I will be - here's the next challenge....

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8488/gimps.gif (http://img825.imageshack.us/i/gimps.gif/)

[skytrain10]

I'll second your guess retrospectively Graeme:ok:

I like your style....yours must be the HP.46:)

Must hit the hay now so assuming correct it will have to be Open House.

[Noyade]

A confirmation seems unlikelyG'day Ken! I was wrong about that. :)

yours must be the HP.46:)And you're right about that. :)

Must hit the hayCheers. :ok:

Skytrain10 has requested Open House.

[Noyade]

Must hit the hay
But I know you can't resist a second look...so...

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3817/shadowjf.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/shadowjf.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Nice shooting guys. :ok:

[Karlark]

NASA QSRA?

[Noyade]

You're on a roll Karl. Your control. :ok:

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/8499/img070pi.jpg (http://img804.imageshack.us/i/img070pi.jpg/)

[Karlark]

Could only stop in for a bit + nothing in the bucket.

Open House

Cheers:)

[volvonaut]

Somebody identified the silhouette as an SAI KZ IIT. Bang on. This is actually the naval version flying out of Avedøre in the South Sea Islands of Denmark.

As you will know, a posting to Avedøre was dreaded not only because of the ferocity of the native women, but also because it could often be months, sometimes years, twixt delivery of supplies. The Avedøre aircraft were therefore fitted with trolling gear so the crews could "live off the land" by catching fish by "trolling" small goats and other such animal bait at the end of a stout flaxen line. That is what the sticky-down "fing" aft of the stubs is for. It is very simply just a short, stout trolling rod. The line, by the way, was obtained locally, the production of such cordage on the Danish equivalent of the Ghandian charkha being a mainstay of the local economy.

However, it was found by the more intrepid of the early crews, because the Avedøre "drome" was desperately short, that this gear could also serve effectively as a tail hook, a peasant's fence at the leeward end of the field serving as the arrester wire. Close inspection of the oleo-legs on the KZII, built to take the "smack-down" when the trolling gear was deployed as tail hook, will reveal that that's where Short's got the inspiration for the u/c on the Seamew.

For the most part, however, the sticky-down gizmo was used for handling the "aerial" which lived on a reel - a trolling reel, actually - in the forrard cockpit, and was let out thro' the hollow "fing" when it was desired to listen to the rather splendid afternoon concerts of classical music transmitted live each day from the posh Restaurant "Vivex" hard by Raadhuspladsen - Copenhagen's central City Hall Square.

I swear it's all true.

I've actually got a "repliplane" KZIIT a-building here on the shores of the Pacific. 1 1/2" to the foot. Now, fonly I can find an eight inch tall lady to go flying with me, I'll be a happy man :p

Volvonaut - Former Danish Person

[Ridge Runner]

Hello Volvonaut!!! I'm a little lost but welcome just the same! Maybe I missed the KZ post earlier???

RR

[Noyade]

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1216/gimp2a.jpg (http://img689.imageshack.us/i/gimp2a.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

Hello Graeme!! A Viima???

[volvonaut]

Thanx for the welcome. Just doing a low pass really. I was responding to Skytrain's posting in #9837 of the silhuette of the KZII, and to Lightning Mate's request in #9841 for illumination.

I made reference to the Short Seamew as being graced with some of the features of the KZII. Similarly, if you google the KZII, you will find a great number of pics that show conclusively that the DH Chipmunk also stands accused of plagiarism.

All ancient history now, but the ubiquitous Cessna 150 just cannot turn a lad's crank in the way these aircraft could. No wonder most lads today would rather spend their time in front of a 'puter!

Noyades posting just above looks a smidge like a Stringbag sans armament?

Volvonaut

[skytrain10]

Very like a Heinkel He.72 although the nose is slightly different? Maybe one fitted with a cowling?

Not really sure and not enough time to look. If by any chance correct it will have to be Open House.

[Noyade]

Well done mate. :ok:
The 72 with a cowling = 172...

He 172 - He 72B with NACA cowling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NACA_cowling). Prototype only in 1934.Ken has requested Open House.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/714/img075pl.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/img075pl.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

Here's one just for fun!!!

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/7f68deea.jpg

It is not a whole plane!!!! :)

RR

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon Martin, quiet innit!!

Here's one just for fun!!!

It is not a whole plane!!!!


But this is :p:p!!! :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/justaplane.jpg

Hmm, back to the Challenge! Is it anything to do with the Plane-Boats converted Boeing 307 "Cosmic Muffin"???

Plane-Boats: The Cosmic Muffin ~ LikePage (http://www.likep.com/2010/12/plane-boats-cosmic-muffin.html)

Edit: Back to work now, so OH please if correct!

[Ridge Runner]

You are correct Trevor!!!!!!!! A sad end for a proud machine!!!

OPEN HOUSE is declared by Trevor!

[Lightning Mate]

A'rtnoon Martin, quiet innit!!

You rang ?......

[Ridge Runner]

ah ha.... just in time for me to sign off!! Sadly, i still don't have internet at home but the BT man is coming with his length of string on Monday! Yippee!!! :)

[Lightning Mate]

Have a good weekend. :ok:

[Ridge Runner]

you too!!! Sorry to be running away!!!

[Lightning Mate]

Don't worry mate - I can no longer play during working hours. :mad:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/weekend.jpg

[evansb]

GROB Strato 2C ?

[Lightning Mate]

That will do nicely Brian. :ok:

You have the thread.

[evansb]

Thanks. Here is another one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/MYSTERY_MANUFACTURER.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Brian.

Looks very much like the Northrop X-21?

[Lightning Mate]

G'day mate.

Any news on what caused the car fire?

[evansb]

Correct:ok: The Northrop X-21 project was based on a Douglas B-66 airframe.
You have control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Brian.

Think of a critter that according to Hollywood "can strip the flesh from a cow to the bone, in 30 minutes" and you will solve this, and my Cockpit Challenge. :)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/752/img079t.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/i/img079t.jpg/)

Any news on what caused the car fire? Police/Firemen = Electrical fault.
Me = Today's troubled youth.

(What's with the gopher routine mate? One second you're there, and then you're gone. :))

[Lightning Mate]

Just in case I forget to log off mate.

Is yours the Wassmer WA-81 ?

[Noyade]

Wassmer WA-81Done! :)

All yours.

(Also have it as the Issoire IA Pirahna - when Wassmer went under.)

Night. :ok:


http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1825/19409382853.png (http://img855.imageshack.us/i/19409382853.png/)

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry mate, but it's almost the top of the night here, so I'll have to leave you with Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning/evening. :)

No takers, so I'll have it back.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/weekendstart-1.jpg

[evansb]

The landing gear is identical to the Czech GP ONE. Any connection?

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Bri - nice to see someone around.

No connection whatsoever - this one's German/Swiss, and now marketed in the USA.

[evansb]

Is it the S-Wing ?

[Lightning Mate]

YES!....:D

Over to you.

[evansb]

Thanks Captain! Here is the next one:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/DELETE_FILE_.jpg

[flyboyep]

Ridge,
Just to let you know I am intimately familiar with the plane in your picture. I just finished working on a project were I designed a new plane based on the hull of the one in your picture. In fact we used that plane and pulled a mold directly from the hull. I designed a new fuselage, boom and tail to fit another wing the company already had. The plane in your picture is in fact a Petrel. It is stationed at a small airfield in Rayong Thailand. I think your picture is a few years old. Or it could be very recent after we finished with it. I have alot of pics for it but cannot figure out how to put one in this message. sorry.

[Noyade]

Brian. The glider above, right at the bottom of this site....

Saint Louis Cardinals (http://www.airandspacemuseum.org/STLCARDINALS.htm)

The St Louis XCG-5...?

[evansb]

Noyade is correct. The unsuccessful St. Louis XCG-5. Well done:D

Your turn.

[Noyade]

Thanks Brian. :)

Fire bucket and beer tonight > open house.

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning BE. :)

[Noyade]

you won't resist a look tonight.....

Sorry mate, plenty of beer and wood. :)

Looking now....some sort of Culver? Looks odd at the nose?
Another droney thingy?

American?

[Lightning Mate]

Good afternoon Graeme. :)

Not a Culver.

I will not be able to get back on thread for ten hours, so to be fair to everyone I am withdrawing the challenge. You take it mate. :ok:

[Noyade]

I will not be able to get back on thread for ten hoursWell, it's your call mate, but it's fast approaching 2100 hrs here and I'm on an early shift tomorrow, so I estimate I won't be back for....19 hours. I wouldn't let time interfere with your challenges in the future - very few are watching/playing lately. I'm a patient guy.

See ya then, then. :)

Here we go....

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/7325/img081x.jpg (http://img826.imageshack.us/i/img081x.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Actually, it probably doesn't need to be that black. The original was dark enough...

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4084/img083f.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/img083f.jpg/)

Night.

[skytrain10]

Looks a little Pembroke/Sea Prince or perhaps more logically, a Prince 3E?

[Lightning Mate]

Good call Ken. :ok:

Wish I had been around when it was posted. :\

I think you should take control - a seconder might be a long time pitching up.

[skytrain10]

Thanks David. Initially I thought the nose was all wrong, but of course its blocked by the starboard engine. Rest of the aircraft certainly looks right, and Shell operated a number of Prince's, so hopefully I'm right:)

As you say I don't think I'm going to get a seconder, so here goes:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/64286730.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Hi!!!! Interweb at home!!!!!!!!!

Seconded!!

Is the latest an Italian?

RR

[skytrain10]

Interweb at home Excellent:ok:

Not Italian Martin, but it is a European design

[Lightning Mate]

Pizza and Chianti ?

[skytrain10]

Pizza and Chianti? Sounds a nice idea mate, but nothing to do with the challenge:)

[skytrain10]

Apologies all but have to withdraw the challenge as we've had it before. It's the ICAR Commercial from Romania (aka BFW M.36).

I'll therefore take the liberty of posting another one - this was my previously withdrawn challenge from last week:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/10039faf.jpg

Closing down soon so usual rules apply:ok:

[Noyade]

Good call on the Percival Prince. :ok:

this was my previously withdrawn challenge from last week:Hi mate. From memory, built in 2000 and not a homebuilt/kitplane?

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme
From memory, built in 2000 and not a homebuilt/kitplane? Your memory is good - although built in the 2000's - not specifically 2000.

Thanks regarding the Prince:ok:

[Noyade]

Your memory is good

Not really David, I mean Ken. :)

And from memory we dispensed with the Aerotec idea, but I'm wondering if it could be non-European and non-USA?

[skytrain10]

but I'm wondering if it could be non-European and non-USA? Good idea to wonder like that:ok: You should perhaps look a little closer to home:)

[Noyade]

closer to home

The Whitney Boomerang?

[skytrain10]

The Whitney Boomerang? That's the one Graeme:ok: Not entirely sure on the status of this aircraft. Seemed the manufacturer got in to financial difficulties.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/98cdb4a3.jpg
Looks like a low tail Piper Tomahawk!

Appears to be only you and me left on this thread, so up to you if you want to post.

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken and thanks for the "home" clue.

How's the weather there? News tonight shows Oz athletes whinging that it's as cold there as here?

so up to you if you want to post. Just got home from work and will have a scrounge around now. Nothing fancy mind you. :)

[Noyade]

Nothing fancy mind you.A masterpiece! I call it..."Scanning goes Wrong"...

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5277/img091c.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/img091c.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme
How's the weather there? Well, its been wet, then more wet, then just damp, and then wet again! In short a lot of rain and some localised floods - temperatures are a little below average, typically around 18-20C. Due to warm up and dry up over the next few days though:ok:

Nothing fancy mind you. Suits me:)

[Noyade]

Your turn to look...

a little closer to homehttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

(Not a modern aircraft though)

[skytrain10]

Is it the Spartan Cruiser?

[Noyade]

Yes mate, a very poor silhouette of the Spartan Cruiser II, Faithful City of Spartan Airlines Ltd, 1933.

Your control. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme - next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/c69d7ad9.jpg

[Noyade]

Heading off to slumber-land shortly Ken, but a quick thought - Chinese?

[Noyade]

Harbin Y-12?

Unlikely, but open house if it is. Cheers mate. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Harbin Y-12? Good shot mate - yes it is the Y-12:ok:

Noyade has declared Open House

[Karlark]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/33-6.jpg

Edit; No one around, usual rules apply... should be an easy one. :)

[Noyade]

''day Karlark. :)

Stinson 108 Voyager?

[skytrain10]

Stinson 108 Voyager I'll second that Graeme:ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Ken. :)

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/4530/img094p.jpg (http://img854.imageshack.us/i/img094p.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Graeme!! Another Aussie?

[Noyade]

G'day Martin.

No mate.

Brazil.

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme - Aerotec T-23 Uirapuru?

[Noyade]

Morning Ken.

Aerotec T-23 Uirapuru

Yes indeed.
Your control. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Cheers Graeme.
A full 3-view for a change:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/f48ccf58.jpg

[Noyade]

First thought was some sort of American Bellanca...

But lets backtrack. Your last three challenges were...

Australian.
Chinese.
Romanian.

I wonder?

[skytrain10]

I wonder? An interesting thought - and you'd be correct:ok: Just a case of which of the 3:)

Going to break for lunch for 30 mins or so. Catch you later assuming you are still awake!

[Noyade]

Enjoy lunch.

Catch you later assuming you are still awake!I'm heading off to watch Ice Station Zebra, and pay particular attention to the Tu-95s(?) From memory they were the worst looking models made for a Hollywood movie. And were they MiGs or Sukhois rushing towards Zebra? ( I read Ernest Borgnine died recently.) Cheers.

[skytrain10]

Hope you're enjoying (or have enjoyed) the film:ok:
And were they MiGs or Sukhois rushing towards Zebra? If my memory serves me right they actually used F-4's! Accuracy in all things aviation was never a strong point in the movies:)

[Lightning Mate]

Evening Ken.

I'll have a wild shot at Romanian - several features look familiar, especially that radial.

[skytrain10]

I'll have a wild shot at Romanian May have been wild David, but it was spot on:ok:
Evening:)

[Lightning Mate]

I'm looking....I'm looking........

[skytrain10]

I'm looking....I'm looking........ Still looking? :)

Off for dinner now - will look in later

[Noyade]

actually used F-4's!I had forgotten that! :) Yes. But there were some delta jet models - still can't determine what they were meant to be.

Looking at Romanians now (or is it Rumanians?)...the Turing?

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1516/20007540847.png (http://img337.imageshack.us/i/20007540847.png/)

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme

Delta jets...can't remember those but it was 20 years or so ago when I last watched it. Probably F-102/106's?

Looking at Romanians now (or is it Rumanians?)...the Turing? That's the one, the ICAR Turing - thought that would go quickly once you worked out my devious plan! There again nobody else around today until David looked in later on.

Noyade has control, and I'll be saying good night:ok:

[Noyade]

Apologies Ken, must be open house.

Probably F-102/106's?No mate, the Ruskies were powering towards Zebra and they had models of delta jets with Russian insignias. When they arrived they cut to real footage, of F-4 Phantoms.

Still, not as bad as a documentary DVD I recently watched, titled "The Fight for the Sky - The Battle of Britain", featuring "rare archive footage", which included the usual Spitfire/Hurricane/Messerschmitt/Heinkel characters, but then P-47s, Fw-190s, B-17s and even Zeros and Corsairs were fighting over the English Channel.

[Noyade]

Got there in the end. Here's one...

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4189/exportx.jpg (http://img856.imageshack.us/i/exportx.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

an Ikarus machine?

[Noyade]

No mate, German.

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme - busy day so not had a chance to look in.

German....the Arado SD.1 maybe?

If correct will have to be Open House. Going to hit the hay now, so good night:ok:

[Noyade]

Arado SD.1

Well done Ken. :ok:

Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning UK/US/Canada.

Evening Oz. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Well, I waited to see if Ken would re-appear to claim his own OH back.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/saturdaychance.jpg

[Noyade]

Lonely days mate? :)

From memory, you said it wasn't a Culver product. But I can't remember if you replied to my other questions, if it was American or a Drone of sorts?

The nose still looks odd.

[Lightning Mate]

G'day mate.

American.

Not exactly a drone, but you're on the right lines. Think weapon. ;)

[SincoTC]

Morning LM :)

Not much time to spare last week, been busy at work with a new project and a very tight deadline.

Can't see any evidence for motive power, so is yours a glider-bomb? Maybe a US Navy development of the early forties? I know where to look but I'm on a borrowed computer with none of my short-cuts and I have to my brother's birthday get-together shortly, but will try and get back later!

[Lightning Mate]

Morning TC. :)

You are on exactly the right track......

[SincoTC]

My my, still here, 'taz been quiet!!

Back and picking up the track now and I've remembered the name of the site :)

I'm pretty certain it's the LBE-1 Glide-Bomb "Glomb", radio-controlled with the aid of a nose-mounted TV camera; designed by the Naval Aircraft Factory in 1943, but to be produced by Pratt-Read (Gould). Dunno if they did though!

[Lightning Mate]

Thassa one mate. :D

Over to you. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Thanks David,

Here's one for the evening/morning shift :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf249.jpg

[Noyade]

Good evening mate. :)

I truly appreciate the time and effort you've put into colouring the glass. No doubt it's that attention to detail that makes you the successful man you are. :ok:

Airwar suggests the Romano R.82...?

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5592/gotchai.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/gotchai.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Flattery will get you everywhere, as will the correct answer!!

It is the Romano R.82 (Aka SNCASE R.82) :D

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/RomanoR83.jpg

Noyade has control :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks mate. Back in 20 minutes - make it Open House please, for the moment.

I think your challenge is a rare-ish Northrop....back soon.

[SincoTC]

Thanks mate, as requested, SC is now Open House

I'll await the likely snaffling of the Challenge thread too :{

[Noyade]

The Challenge Thread (http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/461976-challenge-140.html#post7309700)

Plan is to make this aircraft a silhouette soon. Cheers. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gifWell, at least a front view to begin with...

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/2565/wutz.jpg (http://img802.imageshack.us/i/wutz.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon Graeme,

Thanks mate, I got three straight hours, which isn't bad for me :ok:

Is your double challenge an Atlantic-Fokker XA-7 ??

Have to be Open House if it is, as I'm gonna be in design meetings and the workshop most of the day!

[Noyade]

Atlantic-Fokker XA-7

Well done mate. :ok:

Open House.

[Noyade]

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9117/img107s.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/i/img107s.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme - wings/tail/booms from a Cessna 337. Looks like a jet conversion? Presume those are wing tanks at the point where the booms meet the wing?

Appears to have the extended nose very much like the Spectrum and the CIRPAS Pelican, so I'm wondering if there was a jet version of one of those - or at least a proposed one.

[Ridge Runner]

LBE-1 Glide-Bomb "Glomb", radio-controlled

That was a nice one, David!

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Martin. :ok:

[Noyade]

G'day Ken.

The Pelican you mentioned above is closer in configuration - but no jet engines involved. This is a mock-up, the "intake" differs on the completed aircraft illustrated on the net.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4083/img109wk.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/img109wk.jpg/)

Tried to GIMP a front view, badly, but you can have it all the same. :)

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/4276/img108c.jpg (http://img814.imageshack.us/i/img108c.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

Answers on a postcard .... Or just see "Challenge"! :)

[SincoTC]

Morning Martin, up early mate or are you away somewhere again?

A'rtnoon Graeme, not a postcard, but I've put a link on your Challenge!

It looks like it is the Airmaster Avalon 680 and a good challenge too :ok:

Open House please if you agree as I'm not online for most of today :(

[skytrain10]

Nice challenge Graeme:ok: Now I see it it does look familiar, so no doubt I have a photo in a mag or Jane's or somewhere.

[Noyade]

Gents. :)

Airmaster Avalon 680

Well done mate. Double challenge solved. :ok:

Open House

Cheers!

[Lightning Mate]

Off tomorrow for a five day break - see you all on Sunday.

Employment ends next Tuesday midnight, so will have lots of time to play and sleeve. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

I feel a 2012 Christmas special coming on - a hybrid aeroplane comprising parts of several - the winner is the first to get all the separate parts. Does this appeal to you?

Anyone need the services of a graphics illustrator/technical author?

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Trevor,

yes, away again - Sofia and off to Kiev tomorrow.

RR

[Karlark]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/34-7.jpg

Edit; usual rules apply... clue over on the challenge thread.

[Ridge Runner]

I would say Vultee Valiant but I'd only be cribbing the answer from "Challenge" so OPEN HOUSE if correct!!

[Noyade]

I suspect so mate. :)

Martin are you a member of Key Publishing? Would you be able to post on this thread?

Maybe I should know it... - Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums (http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=118295)

Pretty sure it's the Koolhoven FK.56


(I tried to join, but keep stuffing it up)

[Ridge Runner]

Done!

I posted it on SC a while back too!!

[Karlark]

Th Vultee BT-13 Valiant is correct RR. :ok:

Open House

[skytrain10]

As it's Open House:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/a94a49cd.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

strewth mate!!! Russian?

[skytrain10]

Not Russian Martin.

[Noyade]

Czechmate! :)

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/112/img110jz.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/img110jz.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Good enough Graeme:ok:. It's the Wolfsberg-Letov Corvus 1F, a development of the original Raven.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/a6c4e6c0.jpg

Noyade has control

[Noyade]

Good enough Graemehttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif.

Very kind mate. :)
I've nothing at the moment, but will look later.

Cheers Ken!

Open House

[Noyade]

Found one...

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/293/img112v.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/img112v.jpg/)

(Not back till 2100-2200 hrs my time.)

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme - is it the Buhl A-1?

[Noyade]

Buhl A-1

It is Ken. :ok:

Your control. Heading to work now, catch you another time.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme - nice one.

Here's one for the night shift:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/8c061984.jpg

[Noyade]

Dunno mate.

Sleek looking American homebuilt....?

(Crazy thought, French turboprop from the sixties? Something about an Antelope?)

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme
Sleek looking American homebuilt....? Sleek, definitely, but not American. European design.
Crazy thought, French turboprop from the sixties? Something about an Antelope? Like your style, but this is not French, not a turboprop and is from the 2000's:)

Incidentally built as both fixed or retractable u/c.

[Noyade]

from the 2000'shttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gifOK. Thanks. That part of the bookshelf is empty, I'll keep looking but will be away most of the weekend.

Impressive opening ceremony! :ok: But can you explain that "House" scene to me? Was it from a popular TV show over there?

Got your e-mail Ken and will reply. Cheers.

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme....
That part of the bookshelf is empty So you've got rid of your World Leisure Aviation Directories then? :)
I think the House scene was a mix between popular music, trends and TV - there again....! In truth not really sure myself!
Going back to watch it now...catch you a little later maybe.

[skytrain10]

Closing down now.

My last challenge was the Corvus Phantom LSA from Hungary

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/0e2ed0ae.jpg

Open House

[Karlark]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/mudflaps_2008/2012/33-7.jpg

[SincoTC]

Morning Karl,

Not many players about this weekend!

Not many twelve-ship formations on goggle either :ugh:

A bit small to pick up on the detail.

Piston engines? US Navy? Trainers? WWII?

[Karlark]

Afternoon Trevor,

I almost forgot I put one up here last night. :).

Post WWII, Naval "Anchor" formation.

(British ;))

[SincoTC]

(British )

Thanks for that Karl, possibly found whilst checking out piccies of the ATL Accountant?

They be Fairey Gannets from three squadrons of the Fleet Air Arm :)

[Karlark]

Yes, they are Fairey Gannets. :ok:

I forget where exactly I ran across 'em... on some recent goose hunt no doubt. :)

SincoTC has control

[SincoTC]

Thanks Karl,

Here's the next silhouette:

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf250.jpg

[evansb]

Potez 650 ?