All borders to reopen.

[TimmyTee]

I spot a Bot…

;)
and I spot tin foil. A lot of tin foil.

[Kent Based]

:)

…back to the research papers. Kent Based, you do understand the difference between the preprint and published versions of a research paper ?

:hmm:

It's not difficult
1) You saw a claim which seems incredible
2) You cut and pasted the claim without checking if it was true.
3) You also pasted the supporting link. I don't know whether you read that, understood that or even bothered to examine the link at all?
4) The fact that your link doesn't support your claim is an issue you caused by blindly cut and pasting.

I know most covid vaccine deniers like to proclaim that they "do their own research". Perhaps try examining your sources in future?

[Flying Binghi]

and I spot tin foil. A lot of tin foil.

I spot a preschooler Bot…;)

[Flying Binghi]

It's not difficult
1) You saw a claim which seems incredible
2) You cut and pasted the claim without checking if it was true.
3) You also pasted the supporting link. I don't know whether you read that, understood that or even bothered to examine the link at all?
4) The fact that your link doesn't support your claim is an issue you caused by blindly cut and pasting.

I know most covid vaccine deniers like to proclaim that they "do their own research". Perhaps try examining your sources in future?

Hmmm…

Kent Based, you do understand the difference between the preprint and published versions of a research paper ?


:hmm:

[Angle of Attack]

I understand the difference between a boomer crapping on about how bad vaccines are and the difference between a boomer with a real life. Get over it tossers…the rest of the world is getting on with it, Jesus Christ…, now go and check on your rapidly declining property investments…

[All hat and no cows]

This is incorrect. Besides the fact that you are required to be vaccinated to even enter the country, masks are still required in Texas of all places at certain locations such as federal buildings and hospitals/medical buildings. Also you’ll see quite a high percentage of customer facing jobs’ employees wearing masks; more than back home anyway.

Not true, in Texas the only places where masks were required after the first few months were those places where the federal govt ruled, like the airport.

[Flying Binghi]

Fear-mongering nonsense..

This VA study (like the VA long Covid study) is junk. An observational study looking for associations. That's it.

The group that got reinfected was way sicker at baseline.
Look at Supp table 1 and Supp table 6 (support data is where authors bury all the data they have to include, but know that the lay press will never read).
Way more lived in residential aged care (nursing homes) - 6.8 V 2.6%
More type 2 diabetes - 36% V 32%
More anxiety (23 v 15%) and depression (21 v 15%) - these are very significant comorbidities regarding propensity to report other symptoms)
During the FIRST infection, those patients who subsequently got reinfected were more likely to be admitted to hospital (18% V 9%), more likely to be admitted to ICU (5 V 2%), and more likely to receive antivirals & immunomodulators (17 V 12%) compared to those who didn't get reinfected. than those who didn't get infected.

The reinfected group also had a far poorer immunisation history than those who were not reinfected. Thus, 62% of those not reinfected had received no immunisations, while 87% of those reinfected had received no immunisations (this is historical data which is why these numbers are so low)

So those who got reinfected were sicker across a range of measures, had received fewer vaccinations. and their 1st infection was (not surprisingly) more severe than those who did not get reinfected.

This study only shows that frailer sicker non-immunised people do worse. That's it.

I haven’t read the paper in depth yet. slats11, you seem to have read the paper in depth. Reference the published paper, can you tell us what defined being vaccinated ? For example, the minute somebody receives their first vaccine, are they considered as vaccinated ? …or might it be they are not considered vaccinated until say two weeks after they receive the vaccine ?




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[Flying Binghi]

I understand the difference between a boomer crapping on about how bad vaccines are and the difference between a boomer with a real life. Get over it tossers…the rest of the world is getting on with it, Jesus Christ…, now go and check on your rapidly declining property investments…


Hmmm… things aren’t over, just yet. Many years of litigation to come..:hmm:

A lot of innocent people were bullied into taking an un-proven vaccine for entirely corrupted reasons. Here’s an example of just one workplace:

“…Qantas will make it mandatory for all of its 22,000 workers to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19…

Mr Joyce said, …"Making sure they are vaccinated given the potential of this virus to spread is so important and I think it's the kind of safety leadership people would expect from us," he said.

"We provide an essential service, so this will help guard against the disruptions that can be caused by just one positive COVID case shutting down a freight facility or airport terminal."…” (18/Aug/2021)


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-18/qantas-mandatory-vaccinations-covid19-workers-pandemic/100386206

[Eclan]

Binghi, I admire your tenacity and unwavering focus.

As for Joyce's comment ("We provide an essential service"), I'd disagree there as, while it is an essential service, no, they do not provide it. "Providing," in the sense of the word as was used, is an absolute which means flights routinely would depart A for B as expected. This is far from the experience of many would-be passengers the last few years.

[Flying Binghi]

Binghi, I admire your tenacity and unwavering focus.

As for Joyce's comment ("We provide an essential service"), I'd disagree there as, while it is an essential service, no, they do not provide it. "Providing," in the sense of the word as was used, is an absolute which means flights routinely would depart A for B as expected. This is far from the experience of many would-be passengers the last few years.

Eclan, I’ll stick to the china virus side of things..;) …Re: now that they is all vaccinated there should be no virus issues..:hmm:

[Flying Binghi]

Looks like it will be an interesting rally tomorrow:Australian Freedom Rallies https://joannenova.com.au/2022/11/dont-miss-the-world-wide-rally-for-freedom-this-saturday-12-noon/

[brokenagain]

Interesting? These happen every few weeks with increasingly dwindling numbers despite the promises of ‘millions’. It’ll be the same losers walking around waving their red flags while everybody else lives their lives.

Will the King Cooker Hoody be making an appearance?

[Global Aviator]

China not so happy! (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/china-guangzhou-covid-19-curbs-protest-unrest-3074016)

[dr dre]

Interesting? These happen every few weeks with increasingly dwindling numbers despite the promises of ‘millions’. It’ll be the same losers walking around waving their red flags while everybody else lives their lives.

Will the King Cooker Hoody be making an appearance?

The numbers are certainly dwindling. Now they have to combine anti vax rallies with a bit of pro Putin sentiment to bolster the numbers.

Occasionally I tune into Hood’s social media for a laugh. On a recent video he was upset that the numbers at recent rallies had plummeted. Also turns out the anti vaxxer movement is fracturing as the nutters start arguing with each other over who is the bigger nutter. Not enough to be just anti vac, you now have to be anti 5G, pro flat earth, a whole host of things to attract losers. Wonder what he’ll do when they inevitably turn to chemtrail conspiracies?

I wonder if those who sacrificed their careers to follow his rubbish have had second thoughts?

[Flying Binghi]

The numbers are certainly dwindling. Now they have to combine anti vax rallies with a bit of pro Putin sentiment to bolster the numbers.

Occasionally I tune into Hood’s social media for a laugh. On a recent video he was upset that the numbers at recent rallies had plummeted. Also turns out the anti vaxxer movement is fracturing as the nutters start arguing with each other over who is the bigger nutter. Not enough to be just anti vac, you now have to be anti 5G, pro flat earth, a whole host of things to attract losers. Wonder what he’ll do when they inevitably turn to chemtrail conspiracies?

I wonder if those who sacrificed their careers to follow his rubbish have had second thoughts?

I’ve never attended a protest rally so can not comment too much on them. I did though observe one from a Brisbane office tower and took some pictures of it coming down the road. Protester crowd seemed to be over two thirds females which mystified me. Lots of kids running about as well so I guess the mums were concerned about being forced to vaccinate their children. I noted the protest crowd were tightly packed and looking back at the photos time stamps it took over half an hour to pass. Likely the biggest protest march in Brisbane’s history - out doing the Vietnam war protests in numbers.



:cool:

[Flying Binghi]

Meanwhile, the questions keep getting asked:

“..Janine Small a Pfizer Executive in Europe has openly admitted the company had no data to determine wether or not their COVID-19 vaccine product would stop transmission prior to releasing it to market. The revelations came during questioning by parliamentarian Rob Roos MEP in the European Parliament.

In a video posted by Roos on social media the Dutch MEP further questions how it was possible for the government in the Netherlands to roll out mandates predicted on vaccines stopping transmission if Pfizer itself had not reached such a conclusion.

So what data did authorities in Australia rely on to say Pfizers product would control and or stop transmission?..”




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2YagXbprzFE

[dr dre]

Likely the biggest protest march in Brisbane’s history - out doing the Vietnam war protests in numbers.


Bollocks. Not even close.

10,000 (https://amp.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/vaccine-supporters-have-a-jab-at-anti-vax-protesters-at-brisbane-rally-20211218-p59ipq.html) at most for the biggest rally almost a year ago. Now just a few hundred

Vietnam protests? In the hundreds of thousands (https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/vietnam-moratoriums) (when the population was 50% smaller than today).

Iraq War protests? 100,000 (https://www.slq.qld.gov.au/blog/2003-anti-war-protest-brisbane-history-pictures) in Brisbane (when the population was 25% smaller than today).

The cooker rallies are a fringe element. Want more proof? Last election, so called “freedom” parties failed to make a dent and got very few MP’s elected. 95% of parliament follows science.

[Flying Binghi]

Bollocks. Not even close.

10,000 (https://amp.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/vaccine-supporters-have-a-jab-at-anti-vax-protesters-at-brisbane-rally-20211218-p59ipq.html) at most for the biggest rally almost a year ago. Now just a few hundred

Vietnam protests? In the hundreds of thousands (https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/vietnam-moratoriums) (when the population was 50% smaller than today).

Iraq War protests? 100,000 (https://www.slq.qld.gov.au/blog/2003-anti-war-protest-brisbane-history-pictures) in Brisbane (when the population was 25% smaller than today).

The cooker rallies are a fringe element. Want more proof? Last election, so called “freedom” parties failed to make a dent and got very few MP’s elected. 95% of parliament follows science.


Hmmm… Count estimates are nonsense. I learnt that years ago when I seen the Dykes on Bikes Brisbane protest and did a count of about 250 to 300. Well spread out they were. Next day the ‘media’ claimed the police said there were over 5,000 protesters…………...:hmm:


Show me the proof of claim with some aerial photos and we shall judge from there. We can do a quick aerial photo ball ‘park estimate’, or better yet, Melbourne grand finale estimate, from there they have ticket sales and available seats to confirm the numbers. You will be surprised..



:cool:

[Flying Binghi]

The courts are noticing some interesting things..


“..Apparently the legal case partly hinged on the lack of scientific evidence for the mandate, but mostly on the arbitrary and capricious nature of the ruling. While police, firefighters and cleaners had to obey, some athletes and celebrities did not. The mandate applied to public sector workers from one date but not to private sector workers until several months later..”


https://joannenova.com.au/2022/10/ny-supreme-court-nixes-vaccine-mandate-orders-jobs-returned-with-back-pay/

[Flying Binghi]

Investigations continue..

“..The South Australian Health department must have known about the surge of young people with heart problems, but they did nothing. The only reason we have this data now is because Senator Rennick filed an FOIA to get it and that’s a scandal in itself..

Cardiac Presentations for 15 – 44 year olds in South Australia …almost doubled as the vaccines were rolled out.

..South Australia makes a tidy control case. Unlike most other nations there were virtually no cases of Covid at all until after New Years Eve 2022. So the entire first and highest peak in cardiac problems occurred months before the virus even started circulating..”



https://joannenova.com.au/2022/11/in-south-australia-last-year-suddenly-lots-of-young-adults-went-to-hospital-with-cardiac-issues/

[Flying Binghi]

The more we learn about the china virus hysteria, the worse it gets..:hmm:

Via Robert Clancy, Emeritus Professor of Pathology at the University of Newcastle Medical School and a member of the Australian Academy of Science’s COVID-19 Expert Database, we get these comments:

“..Two recent personal experiences illustrate the global abnegation by professionals upon whom we traditionally depend for scientific guidance.

First, I approached the Society for Mucosal Immunology (SMI), an international body for the study of immunity at mucosal surfaces, including viral infection of the respiratory tract, and the body best placed to educate in regard to the science of COVID-19 infection. I was one of six founders of the SMI, and the Asian-Pacific representative for many years. There was no response to the proposal that our society had a responsibility to provide leadership in understanding COVID, vaccination and management. No surprise, perhaps; the SMI “gold sponsor” was Pfizer.

Second, an approach to the College of Pathology (of which I was a Senior Fellow, a foundation Professor of Pathology, and past-Chairman of the College committee for undergraduate pathology education) emphasising the unique opportunity for an across-country study to determine whether COVID vaccination was responsible, or not responsible, for the spate of reports of an increase in unexplained deaths occurring in the Western world — excess death above expected background rates of death, where Australian excess deaths during 2021/22 are now exceeding 17 per cent. The College, I suggested, could use its network in Australia and New Zealand developed for quality-control programmes to coordinate a standardised protocol for a post-mortem study to answer what is arguably the most important question facing medicine..”

Continues.. https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/covidiocy/2022/11/the-problem-with-the-covid-narrative/

[Eclan]

..South Australia makes a tidy control case. Unlike most other nations there were virtually no cases of Covid at all until after New Years Eve (sic) 2022. So the entire first and highest peak in cardiac problems occurred months before the virus even started circulating..”
If true, that sounds like it would be a very inconvenient truth.

[Flying Binghi]

If true, that sounds like it would be a very inconvenient truth.

Looks like slats11 post #9752 attacking my position reference the study I quoted may very well have some merit. If the claimed un-vaxed deaths in that study had actually been vaccinated though not counted due to a ‘withholding period’, then they may very well be vaccine deaths.

[TimmyTee]

Is it time for a Binghi intervention? Machine gun posting, with 7 of the last 9 posts being slabs of copy and paste text from a range of cooker sources.
Are there even mods on these forums?

[Flying Binghi]

Is it time for a Binghi intervention? Machine gun posting, with 7 of the last 9 posts being slabs of copy and paste text from a range of cooker sources.
Are there even mods on these forums?

Hmmm.. so which one of your alternate call-signs have I shot down..:hmm:


Considering the thread subject you’d think there would be a lot of reference material pasting happening..;)

[Flying Binghi]

Looks like them vaccines are ‘giving’ more then were bargained for..

The Australian government should be urgently investigating the “incredibly high” 13 per cent excess death rate in 2022, the country’s peak actuarial body says.

Karen Cutter, an actuary of more than 25 years and spokeswoman for the institute’s Covid-19 Mortality Working Group, said 13 per cent was an “incredibly high number for mortality” and that it was “not clear” what was driving the increase.

“Mortality doesn’t normally vary by more than 1 to 2 per cent, so 13 per cent is way higher than normal levels,” she said.


https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/excess-deaths-in-2022-incredibly-high-at-13-per-cent/news-story/2a33dfeeb7476765da4e237c59f59bf7

[Deano969]

Looks like them vaccines are ‘giving’ more then were bargained for..

The Australian government should be urgently investigating the “incredibly high” 13 per cent excess death rate in 2022, the country’s peak actuarial body says.

Karen Cutter, an actuary of more than 25 years and spokeswoman for the institute’s Covid-19 Mortality Working Group, said 13 per cent was an “incredibly high number for mortality” and that it was “not clear” what was driving the increase.

“Mortality doesn’t normally vary by more than 1 to 2 per cent, so 13 per cent is way higher than normal levels,” she said.


https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/excess-deaths-in-2022-incredibly-high-at-13-per-cent/news-story/2a33dfeeb7476765da4e237c59f59bf7


Nothing to see here
Nursing homes understaffed and unable to provide regular care
Hospitals full of covid patients unable to give the same care they used too
Ambos too busy with covid patients
Phone appointments instead of face to face and doctors missing details
People opting not to go to hospital for the fear of catching covid
The list goes on....

I can tell you what did NOT cause the 13% increase in deaths, the vaccine..........

[twentyelevens]

I can tell you what did NOT cause the 13% increase in deaths, the vaccine..........

Yep, the same vaccine and then multiple boosters we were told would prevent this:

Nursing homes understaffed and unable to provide regular care
Hospitals full of covid patients unable to give the same care they used too
Ambos too busy with covid patients
Phone appointments instead of face to face and doctors missing details
People opting not to go to hospital for the fear of catching covid

Believe!!!!!

[Bend alot]

Nothing to see here
Nursing homes understaffed and unable to provide regular care
Hospitals full of covid patients unable to give the same care they used too
Ambos too busy with covid patients
Phone appointments instead of face to face and doctors missing details
People opting not to go to hospital for the fear of catching covid
The list goes on....

I can tell you what did NOT cause the 13% increase in deaths, the vaccine..........
But 17% over this year!

In 2022, there were 128,797 deaths that occurred by 31 August and were registered by 31 October, which is 18,671 (17.0%) more than the historical average.
In August there were 17,419 deaths, 1,926 (12.4%) above the historical average.
There were 657 (61.5%) fewer deaths due to COVID-19 in September than August (see article).

[rattman]

..South Australia makes a tidy control case. Unlike most other nations there were virtually no cases of Covid at all until after New Years Eve 2022. So the entire first and highest peak in cardiac problems occurred months before the virus even started circulating..”



Wierd that they using a date that hasn't occured yet, 31st of december 2022 hasn't happened yet. If they cant get the fundamentals right how can you believe the other stuff they say

[Flying Binghi]

Wierd that they using a date that hasn't occured yet, 31st of december 2022 hasn't happened yet. If they cant get the fundamentals right how can you believe the other stuff they say

You sure they got it wrong ?..;)

[Flying Binghi]

Meanwhile, over in Germany..


”..Patient data of the Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians on side effects of the Corona vaccinations provide frightening findings…

…more than 80 people each and every day are dying suddenly and mysteriously..”


https://notrickszone.com/2022/12/12/breaking-data-of-72-million-insured-shows-massive-sudden-unexpected-deaths-exploded-in-germany-since-2021/

[Wizofoz]

Meanwhile, over in Germany..


”..Patient data of the Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians on side effects of the Corona vaccinations provide frightening findings…

…more than 80 people each and every day are dying suddenly and mysteriously..”


https://notrickszone.com/2022/12/12/breaking-data-of-72-million-insured-shows-massive-sudden-unexpected-deaths-exploded-in-germany-since-2021/

Try searching for data rather than confirmation...
Misrepresentation of Germany’s Data on Unverified COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/scicheck-misrepresentation-of-germanys-data-on-unverified-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/)

[Flying Binghi]

Try searching for data rather than confirmation...
Misrepresentation of Germany’s Data on Unverified COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/scicheck-misrepresentation-of-germanys-data-on-unverified-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/)


I had a quick look-see at the so-called ‘fact check’ and note it is dated August. Please note the article I referenced is dated December/22 and is referring to “just released data of the 72 million insured by Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians” ..thats an indirect reference to all-cause mortality.

Wizofoz, perhaps you can show in the article you linked just where there is a reference to all-cause mortality ?..:)

[Wizofoz]

I had a quick look-see at the so-called ‘fact check’ and note it is dated August. Please note the article I referenced is dated December/22 and is referring to “just released data of the 72 million insured by Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians” ..thats an indirect reference to all-cause mortality.

Wizofoz, perhaps you can show in the article you linked just where there is a reference to all-cause mortality ?..:)

Your article thinks "suddenly and mysteriously" = vaccine death, and you spread it.

[Flying Binghi]

Your article thinks "suddenly and mysteriously" = vaccine death, and you spread it.

I reference it.

Do you actually have any thing to debunk it ? Yer ‘fact check’ ain’t gone so well..;)



Meanwhile, here in Oz. it seems Electro Man has put a cat in the pigeon cage:

“..Nick Coatsworth has branded Twitter owner Elon Musk "reprehensible" after the billionaire businessman called for the prosecution of top US health official Anthony Fauci on his new social media account..”


Hmmm.. Coatsworth seems to have had an unintentional bowl movement. Seems more exciting info releases to come..:)


https://www.9news.com.au/national/elon-musk-nick-coatsworth--lashes-reprehensible-musk-after-prosecutefauci-tweet/30c66d96-29bf-410e-9671-9cf27f1c4eb4

[43Inches]

No one here is really interested in debunking complete rot that eventually leads to 3 people being shot dead because some nutter believes the 0.0001% is correct and everyone else is wrong. Time to shut this thread down before more loose ends start to fray.

[twentyelevens]

No one here is really interested in debunking complete rot that eventually leads to 3 people being shot dead because some nutter believes the 0.0001% is correct and everyone else is wrong. Time to shut this thread down before more loose ends start to fray.

Conflating comments in this thread with the murders of three people in Queensland is pretty low. Perhaps consider your role, amongst others, in how this debate has descended.

[43Inches]

Conflating comments in this thread with the murders of three people in Queensland is pretty low. Perhaps consider your role, amongst others, in how this debate has descended.

Directly related to the same rubbish posted on here, so not bothered in the slightest. And quite obvious to boot as you drew the comparison immediately. Which is why this thread is well and truly beyond it's used by date, just a SovCit, nutter thread now.

[Flying Binghi]

Directly related to the same rubbish posted on here, so not bothered in the slightest. And quite obvious to boot as you drew the comparison immediately. Which is why this thread is well and truly beyond it's used by date, just a SovCit, nutter thread now.

Seems Elon Musk has made the ‘subject’ mainstream now..:)


43Inches, seems the cat has your attention..;)

[Wizofoz]

Conflating comments in this thread with the murders of three people in Queensland is pretty low. Perhaps consider your role, amongst others, in how this debate has descended.

These are the same people who think every Musim is a terrorist, but have far more in common with actual terrorists than the vast majority of Muslims.

[twentyelevens]

These are the same people who think every Musim is a terrorist, but have far more in common with actual terrorists than the vast majority of Muslims.

You and 43 can rationalise it as much as you like, if it makes you feel better.
I still reckon making hay out of a tragedy is pretty low down.

[Flying Binghi]

Heh.. seems some caint argue the subject so seek to divert..:hmm:


..and, back on topic. Seems we has a ‘rebound’…


“..Covid hospitalisations in England have started to rebound, official figures show..​​​​​

..cases have risen for the second week in a row after being in decline for over a month..”


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11529297/Covids-rebound-begins-Hospitalisations-soar-fifth.html

[dr dre]

Time to shut this thread down

Totally.

It’s just rubbish now. This thread was started to track Covid related border closures and then the vaccine rollout to get to the reopening stage. That happened almost a year ago. Border closures are well over and are not disrupting aviation anymore so any more talk on this thread is unrelated to the purpose of the forum, Australian aviation.

Nutters can go elsewhere to spread rubbish. Mods please close this thread down now.

[Flying Binghi]

Totally.

It’s just rubbish now. This thread was started to track Covid related border closures and then the vaccine rollout to get to the reopening stage. That happened almost a year ago. Border closures are well over and are not disrupting aviation anymore so any more talk on this thread is unrelated to the purpose of the forum, Australian aviation.

Nutters can go elsewhere to spread rubbish. Mods please close this thread down now.



Hmmm.. seems the virus is getting a go-on again. Is that why yer panicking dr dre.. :hmm:

[slats11]

Interesting parallels between MH370 and C19.

MH370
A highly specific mechanical failure which took out all communications and pressurisation, but left other flight systems intact
Versus
Malfeasance and human involvement

C19
Sudden appearance of a virus with many odd features (including a furin cleavage site and a spike with a higher affinity for human than any animal ACE2 receptor) AND with no animal host found after 3 years of looking
Versus
A human engineered virus emerging in a city where AND when US was funding precisely this research.

In both cases, a preponderance of circumstantial evidence and Occams razor points strongly towards the 2nd explanation.
However in both cases there has been obfuscation by officials, political influence, and censorship which have kept trying to prop up the first explanation.

Interesting.

[Bignose101]

Precisely! Covid didn't go anywhere! You can pretend it isn't happening all you want. COVID in China is about to be a huge test!! HKU’s Ben Cowling says R0=16, which means each infected person has been infecting 16 others. Faster spread than ever. Doubling in days if not hours. No immunity, limited vaccines. This means possibly 800m ppl infected by around lunar new year. How many good / bad or ugly variants do you think will come from infecting that amount of people in such a short period of time?

[slats11]

COVID in China is about to be a huge test!!

Not really. China is relatively protected against C19. Not resistant. But far better protected than western countries.
1. A small % of population > 75
2. A very low mean BMI
3. Genetic selection thru millennia of coexistence with coronaviruses.

Join the dots
1. Virus appears in Wuhan
2. China throws out the pandemic playbook and implements measures which were specifically refuted when pandemic plans were reviewed / revised as recently as 2019.
3. China leads WHO astray, then Italy, then UK (with Ferguson’s wildly over the top models). Then the rest of the world falls into line like dominoes.
4. We then realise the virus is dangerous, but by 1-2 orders of magnitude less than initially suspected. Nowhere outside Wuhan did young and middle aged drop dead in the street. It was all propaganda. The infection fatality rate has now been revised to be around 0.1%. And way less if < 60. And these figures are pre-vax.
5. The direct and indirect costs of lockdown start to emerge. They are frightening, locked in, and will play out for decades. We ain’t seen nothing yet.
6. The rest of the world opened up. Partly because shielded by vax. Partly because we realise we got it wrong. Guess which explanation is emphasised and which is downplayed.
7. Things are not back to normal, and likely never will. Things got so broke we can’t fix it. We aren’t going back to 2019. We will need to find a new normal.
8. There is now significant excess mortality - a minority appears due to C19. The majority is due to the effects of lockdown, delayed medical care, and possibly due to the vax.
9. China enters another lockdown, but this time the rest of the world ain’t buying it. China scores own goal with civil unrest and ongoing reduced integration with global economy.
10. Painted into a corner, Xi pivots. Because that’s all he can do.

We will see what happens next.

What we won’t see is millions of Chinese dying.

[slats11]

Consider the US experience
https://elliottmiddleton.substack.com/p/a-proof-that-lockdowns-kill
So looking at excess deaths in 2020, perhaps 58% were due to Covid and 42% were due to our various mitigations - lockdowns, deferred medical care, and probably also the vax.

Here’s the thing though
Covid deaths were overwhelmingly in the elderly. The average age of death from Covid was slightly above life expectancy.
Non-Covid deaths were overwhelmingly much younger.

Now some people argue that every life is equal. And it is in some respects. But not so when there is an opportunity cost - when spending $ and resources trying to save some people means others will die.

QALY (quality of life years) is the most accepted way to add sone objectivity to a fraught area.
QALY calculations mean that with limited resources or when a policy will benefit sone and harm others, decisions should favor those with the most time to live - not those with the least.

So although US likely prevented more deaths overall through these measures, total years of life lost were higher.

something to contemplate. And that does not even take into account the harms to the young due to reduced education, reduced social interaction, and losing those all important rites of passage.


Australia was in a different situation. We could ;and did) close our borders until we had a vaccine. It was a hell of a gamble which paid off. But contemplate the awful political conundrum had there been no vax (remember efforts failed with SARS in 2003, and there was no guarantee we would succeed this time).

Having closed the border however, internal mitigations probably did more harm overall than good.

[slats11]

https://brownstone.org/articles/the-loneliest-generation/

This is what happens when you pursue one KPI to the exclusion of all others.

History will not judge us well. Nor should it.

[Wizofoz]

Consider the US experience
https://elliottmiddleton.substack.com/p/a-proof-that-lockdowns-kill
So looking at excess deaths in 2020, perhaps 58% were due to Covid and 42% were due to our various mitigations - lockdowns, deferred medical care, and probably also the vax.

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You might have had a point till you said this- ABSOLUTLEY no evidence of that.

BUT now that we have the virus under some semblance of control, BOTH Covid and ancillary deaths can fall. If we had NOT taken measures to mitigate Covid deaths, that 58% would be much higher- you are looking at deaths that happened, not those that were prevented.

[Ladloy]

This thread needs to be locked and left to die.

[MalcolmReynolds]

No! Never again! Never Forget what these asshole politicians did to this country.