All borders to reopen.

[StudentInDebt]

And if it's not met I got the impression that the borders will still re-open but with increased restrictions in the state on capacity limits, mask wearing etc. I would guess that the mandatory vaccine rules will take care of most of the gap from 80-90% and the idea is to avoid lockdowns for people who enjoy living while the virus beds into the remaining 10-20% of muppets.

[cloudsurfng]

For a while i thought it was the rest of the country living like prisoners, turns out the fine vaccinated folk of WA are the real prisoners. Tell me again why those vaccinated should be held hostage by the scum of society?

MaoGowan needs to amend his speech. He said there will be mass hospitalisations and deaths if they open at 80%. We’ll there won’t be any more hospitalisations than there are now you incompetent moron, your hospitals are already chokkas without COVID. A bigger failure of the Australian people, you will not find.

[dr dre]

Tell me again why those vaccinated should be held hostage by the scum of society?



They’re not. If you read the plan carefully, once 80% is reached (which will be in 3-4 weeks) the reopening date is set and it is set in stone (I actually expected him to say it could change if required but no it’s apparently going to be firm), regardless if the vax rate then falls off a cliff beyond 80%. After reopening there’ll be vaccine passports to deny entry for the unvaccinated into venues and events as well as interstate and international travel.

It is several weeks behind the rest but it appears to be pretty solid.

[ScepticalOptomist]

The volume of anti-vaxxers is always far out of proportion to their actual numbers.

For instance in some companies both in Australia and overseas while in surveys 15-20% of people said they wouldn’t get vaccinated, in reality when push came to shove the actual amount of refusers was less than 1%.

Like on this forum, at various times I’d say 20-30% of posters were anti-vax, but the rate of vaccine refusal in aviation workers is minuscule.



There’s been anti-vax protests in every state. I think Victoria has had the most and they’re over 90% DD.

Actually, the figure is closer to 10% across ALL industries of people who are anti the vaccination, or otherwise unable to be vaccinated. Pretty consistent across the country from a statistical point of view.

[dr dre]

Actually, the figure is closer to 10% across ALL industries of people who are anti the vaccination, or otherwise unable to be vaccinated. Pretty consistent across the country from a statistical point of view.

Looking at some numbers of vaccine refusers in various organisations by the time any mandate due dates occurred:

Royal Melbourne Hospital (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/03/royal-melbourne-hospital-down-51-staff-who-wont-comply-with-covid-vaccine-mandate) 0.4%
NSW Health (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/09/less-than-01-of-nsw-health-staff-have-quit-due-to-covid-vaccination-mandates) 0.1%
SA Health (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/sa-number-of-health-staff-refusing-covid-19-vaccination-revealed/100589336) less than 1%
Nationwide Aged Care (https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/11/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-update-5-november-2021.pdf) workers: 0.3%
Qld Health (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/more-than-2000-qld-health-workers-shun-vaccine-jab-as-deadline-looms-20211027-p593js.html): less than 2%
WA AMA (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/mandatory-covid-19-vaccine-rule-frontline-health-staff-in-effect/100502806) members 0.02%

Vaccination rates will be over 90% in every state. There's far more anti vaxxers on social media than in real life.

[SHVC]

WA still playing border games! Covid is barley spoken about here why is MM still at code red

[Maggie Island]

Looking at some numbers of vaccine refusers in various organisations by the time any mandate due dates occurred:

Royal Melbourne Hospital (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/03/royal-melbourne-hospital-down-51-staff-who-wont-comply-with-covid-vaccine-mandate) 0.4%
NSW Health (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/09/less-than-01-of-nsw-health-staff-have-quit-due-to-covid-vaccination-mandates) 0.1%
SA Health (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/sa-number-of-health-staff-refusing-covid-19-vaccination-revealed/100589336) less than 1%
Nationwide Aged Care (https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/11/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-update-5-november-2021.pdf) workers: 0.3%
Qld Health (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/more-than-2000-qld-health-workers-shun-vaccine-jab-as-deadline-looms-20211027-p593js.html): less than 2%
WA AMA (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/mandatory-covid-19-vaccine-rule-frontline-health-staff-in-effect/100502806) members 0.02%

Vaccination rates will be over 90% in every state. There's far more anti vaxxers on social media than in real life.

I think the numbers of vaccine hesitant are quite consistent Australia wide, the numbers of lazy vaccinators in WA has gotta be right up there though:ugh:

Borders open in February would still be a tad optimistic imho

[krismiler]

Vaccine refusers will be lower in industries where they are exposed to the effects of COVID or where jobs are dependent on being vaccinated, such as health care and aviation.

Once QLD opens up then Australia is basically open again. WA can sit in isolation, with NT, SA, and TAS not really mattering much in the grand scheme of things. With NSW and VIC open, the pressure is really on QLD to follow suit ASAP.

The "Brisbane Line" from WW2 still seems to be in effect.

[ScepticalOptomist]

Looking at some numbers of vaccine refusers in various organisations by the time any mandate due dates occurred:

Royal Melbourne Hospital (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/03/royal-melbourne-hospital-down-51-staff-who-wont-comply-with-covid-vaccine-mandate) 0.4%
NSW Health (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/09/less-than-01-of-nsw-health-staff-have-quit-due-to-covid-vaccination-mandates) 0.1%
SA Health (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/sa-number-of-health-staff-refusing-covid-19-vaccination-revealed/100589336) less than 1%
Nationwide Aged Care (https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/11/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-update-5-november-2021.pdf) workers: 0.3%
Qld Health (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/more-than-2000-qld-health-workers-shun-vaccine-jab-as-deadline-looms-20211027-p593js.html): less than 2%
WA AMA (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/mandatory-covid-19-vaccine-rule-frontline-health-staff-in-effect/100502806) members 0.02%

Vaccination rates will be over 90% in every state. There's far more anti vaxxers on social media than in real life.

Health workers in general are more likely to follow health advice, as you’d expect. Vaccine refusers don’t make up all the numbers unfortunately.

I hope we see over 90%, and I hope it doesn’t take too long for WA and QLD.

I’m off to book my booster shot - at least appointments are easy to get!

[PoppaJo]

They are now sending out text messages to all residents of regional towns in QLD due to low uptake. Many of these towns have not even had 50% 1 dose yet. Some are still in the 30s and 40s! Many bigger places are also stuck in the low 70s.

Cairns and regions especially are not all that great either. Soon to be awash with covid as tens of thousands start to arrive and pass it on in a bit over 4 weeks.

You can thank our local CHO for this behavior.

[Ladloy]

They are now sending out text messages to all residents of regional towns in QLD due to low uptake. Many of these towns have not even had 50% 1 dose yet. Some are still in the 30s and 40s! Many bigger places are also stuck in the low 70s.

Cairns and regions especially are not all that great either. Soon to be awash with covid as tens of thousands start to arrive and pass it on in a bit over 4 weeks.

You can thank our local CHO for this behavior.
Just see what is happening in the southern states of the US. It will be the same in QLD.

[MickG0105]

You can thank our local CHO for this behavior.
You mean Her Excellency, the Governor of Queensland.

[SHVC]

They are now sending out text messages to all residents of regional towns in QLD due to low uptake. Many of these towns have not even had 50% 1 dose yet. Some are still in the 30s and 40s! Many bigger places are also stuck in the low 70s.

Cairns and regions especially are not all that great either. Soon to be awash with covid as tens of thousands start to arrive and pass it on in a bit over 4 weeks.

You can thank our local CHO for this behavior.

“awash with covid” really!! Bloody he’ll mate NSW and VIC have been open for a while now and we are not “awash with covid” the fact is, numbers are still declining. NSW and VIC Ppl are not super spreaders so don’t look each individual thinking they are Covid is barley mentioned here now we have moved on. I didn’t even realize WA is still closed untill old mate made some noise to try and make himself relevant but, no one in this state cares anymore.

[Ladloy]

“awash with covid” really!! Bloody he’ll mate NSW and VIC have been open for a while now and we are not “awash with covid” the fact is, numbers are still declining. NSW and VIC Ppl are not super spreaders so don’t look each individual thinking they are Covid is barley mentioned here now we have moved on. I didn’t even realize WA is still closed untill old mate made some noise to try and make himself relevant but, no one in this state cares anymore.
sure Sydney is doing fine. Just head into regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury. The numbers are astronomically high on a per capita basis. Higher than Sydney's case and death rate during peak delta and no one seems to care.

[Lead Balloon]

The numbers are astronomically high on a per capita basis [in] regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury.Precise areas and numbers, please.

[AerialPerspective]

That’s great (I’m assuming you’re over east?). We in the west though are still very much effected by it. Not all of us are happy clappers like SOPS and the 3 blokes he knows who keep telling him at BBQ’s how much they love all this ;)

I think you mean affected. Different meaning if you're 'effected' e.g. "the process was effected by the pressing of the button" as opposed to "the entire state was affected by the pandemic".

[SHVC]

sure Sydney is doing fine. Just head into regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury. The numbers are astronomically high on a per capita basis. Higher than Sydney's case and death rate during peak delta and no one seems to care.
This is the other blown out issue, attributing every cause death to "delta" sure they may have had covid when they passed, did it actually kill them, not in all cases. A good flu will kill an elderly person or immune compromised individual. Its time to move on and get on with life there is an economic storm coming which will have much more drastic effects than covid. If certain states want to stay locked away and come up with numbers that are not achievable for opening good on them leave them be.
The WHO need to down grade as its circulating relativity constant with in the world population.

[Ladloy]

Precise areas and numbers, please.
Albury - 737 active cases and 9 deaths Since early October from Murrumbidgee health district
https://twitter.com/WhistlingC/status/1453123371797975049
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/597x809/image_ef5fca1f0a2d3124d4ace42e82ea7950b0a097db.png
- Going by this the cases would equate to 69278 active and 846 deaths in Sydney. In the space of 5 weeks. That's ONLY half of the twin city. From all reports from friends who live there in the medical field, the only hospital in Albury is full and unfit for covid patients. They have been moved to the cancer ward because it's the only place with up to date positive pressure facilities. Sydney and Melbourne won't take the patients either.

Southern health is south coast, Yass and Queanbeyan, reporting 424 cases since June, no report on deaths as I expect some are added to ACT numbers. Equivalent of 8500 sydney cases.

I'm not arguing for lockdowns or border closures, I'm just showing the facts that are hidden in the 'declining' numbers. It's all sunshine and rainbows in Sydney currently but some regional areas are hurting by decisions made 8 hours away. Per capita, regional areas are struggling and are more awash with covid than Sydney ever was.

[Lead Balloon]

Then we’ll shortly see if your ‘astronomic’ numbers lead to catastrophic results.

[Ladloy]

Then we’ll shortly see if your ‘astronomic’ numbers lead to catastrophic results.
You're missing my point, but anyway.

[morno]

You're missing my point, but anyway.

What's your point? Do you want to live under a rock for the rest of your life?

[Ladloy]

What's your point? Do you want to live under a rock for the rest of your life?
Exactly the opposite and I said that. I'm saying everyone is living under a rock with their ignorance that Sydney's numbers going down means it's a great success for the state.
I'm not arguing for lockdowns or border closures, I'm just showing the facts that are hidden in the 'declining' numbers.



My point is people think that opening up is great and everything is fine, but as usual, the Premier for Sydney, PM for Sydney and the Premier for Melbourne have forgotten about the regional areas which are under immense pressure by the crippled health system. There is next to no reporting on the issues facing regional areas because the numbers don't look alarming, but by a per capita standard they are much much worse than anything seen in Australia.

[MickG0105]

sure Sydney is doing fine. Just head into regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury. The numbers are astronomically high on a per capita basis. Higher than Sydney's case and death rate during peak delta and no one seems to care.
You are bundling together three areas - "regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury" - that have markedly different COVID-19 outcomes.

If you look at NSW Health's Locally acquired COVID-19 cases for the last four weeks up to 8pm 6 November 2021 (https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/stats-local.aspx) you see the following:

Queanbeyan-Palerang Regional local government area, population 62,500 (0.8 percent of the total NSW population) had 1.1 percent of the cases (78 out of 6,979 cases); an over-representation of some 37.5 percent.

Illawarra Shoalhaven local health district, population 387,600 (4.7 percent) had 4.7 percent of the cases (328); no over-representation.

Southern NSW local health district, population about 220,000 (2.7 percent) had 1.6 percent of the cases (112); an under-representation of about 40 percent.

Murrumbidgee local health district (includes Albury), population 242,840 (3.0 percent) had 9.7 percent of the cases (678); an over-representation of some 225 percent.

Albury local government area, population 54,350 (0.7 percent) had 8 percent of the cases (556); an over-representation of some 1,000 percent.

Very clearly, Albury should be a concern but that concern needs to be tempered against the relatively small population.

Noting that we are dealing with four weeks worth of data, the aggregated cases per capita for the various areas/districts are:

Queanbeyan-Palerang Regional LGA - 1.25 cases/1,000 population
Illawarra Shoalhaven LHD - 0.85 cases/1,000 population
Southern NSW LHD - 0.51 cases/1,000 population
Murrumbidgee LHD - 2.8 cases/1,000 population
Albury LGA - 10.23 cases/1,000 population

At the peak of outbreak we were seeing 4 week aggregated cases per capita in excess of 11-12 cases/1,000 population in Western amd South Western Sydney. And those districts had populations some twenty times larger than Albury's.

[SRFred]

Much of the Queanbeyan-Palerang and Yass LGAs were in the Canberra bubble and IMO should be considered along with the ACT figures as they were free to travel in and out of the ACT without restriction.

[43Inches]

At the peak of outbreak we were seeing 4 week aggregated cases per capita in excess of 11-12 cases/1,000 population in Western amd South Western Sydney. And those districts had populations some twenty times larger than Albury's.

Also the huge matter of population density. You have to be in close contact to transmit/contract covid, which requires high population densities or large congregations on regular basis. The factors for transmission to get out of control in country Australia is just not there with simple precautions. Melbourne suffers greatly from high density and centralised gatherings, meaning covid spreads like a grassfire at the end of summer. Sydney has high density but much more segregated population with several main population centers separated by topography, that don't interact like in Melbourne. A bit like Geelong has weathered the storm fairly well due to it being remote from Melbourne both physically and to a point socially.

Country Australia is also very different in how society interacts compared to say the USA, which have more social interactions that promote the spread.

[Bend alot]

How are we looking for hitting the predicted death toll numbers of about a month ago? After opening up?

[SHVC]

I’m waiting also. Cases are dropping ICU, hospitalizations and ventilator cases also falling. Seems NT are still playing silly buggers also doing lockdowns without even a case all because a person went somewhere. These states and territories are out of control.

[PoppaJo]

I’m waiting also. Cases are dropping ICU, hospitalizations and ventilator cases also falling. Seems NT are still playing silly buggers also doing lockdowns without even a case all because a person went somewhere. These states and territories are out of control.

I saw something about a Darwin lockdown I just assumed it was an old article from months ago. How very wrong I was.

This is quite embarrassing on the global stage. Those American shock jocks, feel free to rip us another one again, we deserve it.

Who knows what Anna’s plans are next month when it arrives. I can see myself stood down in the near future while the (most) rest of the country, and the world, gets on with it.

[Bend alot]

I saw something about a Darwin lockdown I just assumed it was an old article from months ago. How very wrong I was.

This is quite embarrassing on the global stage. Those American shock jocks, feel free to rip us another one again, we deserve it.

Who knows what Anna’s plans are next month when it arrives. I can see myself stood down in the near future while the (most) rest of the country, and the world, gets on with it.

Anna - backed by the Health Advice gave us a figure of hundreds in the firsts months of "opening up' - My memory is 300.

We need to fact check some of the claims (based on "Best Medical Advice") - thank Christ they do not do fuel plans!

[Buster Hyman]

We need to fact check some of the claims (based on "Best Medical Advice") - thank Christ they do not do fuel plans!
Pretty soon, in Victoria, there'll be none of this 'Medical advice' nonsense! It'll be based on the whim of some dopey Minister! :ugh:

[43Inches]

Actually if you read the proposed act changes that Victoria wants to introduce it includes mandatory reporting of reasoning and why a certain health response is required. Its basis is shifting the responsibility to the elected member from that of a government employee, so yes while Dan is elected he gets more powers, however he must also put forward an explanation and reasoning for any chosen measures, including medical advice used, which is currently not required. Most of the tripe that's being spread around about the changes, is just that, complete fabrication. The overall benefit to the community is that the process becomes very much more transparent rather than just CHO's and ministers telling you what to do.

[Buster Hyman]

Its basis is shifting the responsibility to the elected member from that of a government employee
At a time when we're asked to trust the Medical experts, we now have to trust a Politician instead???:confused:

so yes while Dan is elected he gets more powers, however he must also put forward an explanation and reasoning for any chosen measures, including medical advice used, which is currently not required.
Not required, sure, but nothings stopping him from offering that information freely.

The overall benefit to the community is that the process becomes very much more transparent rather than just CHO's and ministers telling you what to do.
Not too transparent though...
Under the new laws, the health minister will sign off on an order after receiving advice from the chief health officer (which will be made public), but such orders are only to be scrutinised by a new advisory body selected by the government, and not a cross-party parliamentary committee.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/pandemic-laws-too-flawed-to-pass-without-amendment-20211029-p5948v.html

Now, I'm no fan of Lawyers etc, but when a bunch of them are trying to raise the alarm, would it not be wise to consider what they're saying? Surely if we're to trust Medical professionals for the Pandemic, Scientists for Climate change, then I think we can listen to a bunch of Barristers when it comes to Legislation.
...the barristers argued the legislation prevented proper scrutiny of government decisions.
...urged against issuing broad powers with inadequate checks in place.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/antithetical-to-basic-democratic-principles-top-silks-oppose-pandemic-laws-20211029-p5948m.html

Finally, to avoid a partisan view, would you trust the State Liberals with this power? Scotty perhaps? I wouldn't.

[43Inches]

At a time when we're asked to trust the Medical experts, we now have to trust a Politician instead???https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/confused.gif

Not the point, the politician is acting on the advice of health professionals. This is in direct response to the public wanting an elected official making decisions on whether we are locked down or not, not the public service. The CHO and panel will still be the direct advice on what policy should be followed, however the elected official becomes directly responsible for the outcome. Also means we the public have a direct say at the ballot box on the decision as opposed to CHO decisions who are not part of the elect.

Not required, sure, but nothings stopping him from offering that information freely.

Anything that is not required to be offered will not be given freely unless it earns votes. Especially if it can return to bite them later, being forced to divulge information on the process ensures transparency.

Finally, to avoid a partisan view, would you trust the State Liberals with this power? Scotty perhaps? I wouldn't.


That's the important part, mid next year the leadership could change and this bill will apply to whomever governs until any other change occurs. So this is not about Dan or even labor as it does not change regardless of government. The changes are clearly laid out for the public to view on the relevant .gov website. This bill is far less invasive to everyday life, than say the current form of the religious discrimination act being put forward by the feds, which has many holes that could be abused by anyone in the guise of religious belief. Or the censorship and media rules that have been slowly creeping in over the last few years.

[Buster Hyman]

Not the point, the politician is acting on the advice of health professionals.
Are they not doing that already?

This is in direct response to the public wanting an elected official making decisions on whether we are locked down or not, not the public service.
How did they come to this conclusion? There was no election on this of course so was it an opinion poll? If so, God help us if they're legislating on opinion polls!

Anything that is not required to be offered will not be given freely unless it earns votes.
Witholding information can just as easily lose votes. Just seems odd that they're saying we need new legislation for 'transparency' when it's entirely up to them to be 'transparent'....:confused:

being forced to divulge information on the process ensures transparency.
Keeping the current powers as is & inviting an Opposition spokesperson to observe would achieve the same thing. Again, there's nothing saying they have to, but it would be an act of good faith with the Electorate that this isn't a power trip.

Also means we the public have a direct say at the ballot box on the decision as opposed to CHO decisions who are not part of the elect.
But if, as you say, they are still taking directions from the CHO then a change of Govt. with have little impact on the advice being given. Seems more like shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic!


Anyway, nice to have a discussion rather than have things devolve into hysterics from either end of the spectrum! :ok:

[43Inches]

I think the key point to the transparency is 'what is the actual medical advice'. All the premiers banded on about restrictions being based on this advice, but never released minutes of what the actual advice was. Other than that, yeah probably deck chair antics on the Titanic for sure, however, the rhetoric band will surely play on....

[SHVC]

Ah well, most of Australia will be open for xmas, NT in January I think. MM can play on his medical advice or whatever stay shut who cares. Let’s move on with life.

[Foxxster]

I hope nobody has booked tickets to the UK for December / January. Looks like another lockdown has not been ruled out. No way I am booking to go anywhere overseas for at least another 12 months.

https://youtu.be/DaOZhh_bivU

[Ladloy]

I hope nobody has booked tickets to the UK for December / January. Looks like another lockdown has not been ruled out. No way I am booking to go anywhere overseas for at least another 12 months.

https://youtu.be/DaOZhh_bivU
FWIW, anyone who is self proclaimed as the voice of reason is most likely the opposite.

[Foxxster]

FWIW, anyone who is self proclaimed as the voice of reason is most likely the opposite.


well the voice of reason isn’t the one speaking so maybe actually watch the video before commenting. Because if or when the uk goes into another lockdown, the effects on Qantas and other airlines will be profound, not just because of the immediate closure of the uk but more importantly due to the loss in confidence in the public.

[dr dre]

I hope nobody has booked tickets to the UK for December / January. Looks like another lockdown has not been ruled out. No way I am booking to go anywhere overseas for at least another 12 months.



The UK government science advisors are not forecasting a winter lockdown (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/sage-expert-confident-uk-avoid-22157821) this time.

Nowhere in that video does BJ mention lockdowns so I don't know what that guy is on about. Seems to be a total conspiracy channel, plenty of far right theories about vaccines, Covid hoax, marxists taking over everything, you know, the usual loony stuff. At the moment conspiracy theorists are a bit mad that their freedoms they got as a result of everyone else getting a vaccine and helping out society for a while are being lost as the consequences of a lot of them remaining unjabbed are being shown. There are some European countries tightening up restrictions but these are almost all for the unvaccinated, hopefully a push for them to get a jab. Australia has about 69% fully vaccinated now, compared to places like the UK and Germany with 67-68% and we are still increasing, should be close to 80% total population and well over 90% 12+ by year's end. Countries that reached this higher level of vaccination like Spain and Portugal haven't been affected by the current European wave.

As Australia will have a much higher vaccination rate and will impose a lot more restrictions on the unvaccinated from the start of opening up then we should avoid those problems here.

[Angle of Attack]

I tend to agree with Dr Dre, yes I won’t forgive the idiotic PM for his pathetic vaccine rollout, but I always knew Australia would answer the call and achieve higher vaccination rates than most other countries, hell you only have to look at the childhood vaccination rates here to see this. These so called health experts were warning of a massive spike in cases in NSW and VIC after reopening, they have been comprehensively proven bull$hit. For Christ sake it’s only a reopening for the fully vaccinated, it’s pretty common sense there would be no spike in cases.

Apparently case numbers don’t matter yet 2 days ago you had the Murdoch media going on about a disturbing upward trend yet today spruiking a massive drop in cases… I mean WTF ? Are journalists these days properly educated or are they just becoming more brain dead by the year?

As a nation we have completely lost the plot, we have become a bastion of Snowflakes and idiots that are putting up a siege mentality rather than actually knowing properly what the go is overseas. Japan just had 201 new cases of Covid yesterday, in a population of 125 million. Yes bejesus in a month you can come from VIC to QLD but hell no! QLD needs 90% of 12+ before international quarantine free travel. What a frickin joke. You will need hotel quarantine coming from Japan next month but no quarantine from VIC.

At the moment you have 2085% more chance of contracting Covid in VIC than in Japan but let’s open up to VIC first..we have completely lost it.
The health experts have taken over and we are losing because of it. I mean the ACT just relaxed restrictions last week and they are at 95% fully vaccinated? WTF?

I for one have given up on all the idiotic states bull crap , and will be using my copious amounts of leave to remove myself from any duty that requires bull dust quarantine. It’s over, wake up and sort this country out, otherwise I’m out!

I do believe however come April May Australia will get a spike in cases, but that only will suck if your unvaccinated…

[601]

I tend to agree with Dr Dre, yes I won’t forgive the idiotic PM for his pathetic vaccine rollout, but I always knew Australia would answer the call and achieve higher vaccination rates than most other countries, hell you only have to look at the childhood vaccination rates here to see this. These so called health experts were warning of a massive spike in cases in NSW and VIC after reopening, they have been comprehensively proven bull$hit. For Christ sake it’s only a reopening for the fully vaccinated, it’s pretty common sense there would be no spike in cases.

Apparently case numbers don’t matter yet 2 days ago you had the Murdoch media going on about a disturbing upward trend yet today spruiking a massive drop in cases… I mean WTF ? Are journalists these days properly educated or are they just becoming more brain dead by the year?

As a nation we have completely lost the plot, we have become a bastion of Snowflakes and idiots that are putting up a siege mentality rather than actually knowing properly what the go is overseas. Japan just had 201 new cases of Covid yesterday, in a population of 125 million. Yes bejesus in a month you can come from VIC to QLD but hell no! QLD needs 90% of 12+ before international quarantine free travel. What a frickin joke. You will need hotel quarantine coming from Japan next month but no quarantine from VIC.

At the moment you have 2085% more chance of contracting Covid in VIC than in Japan but let’s open up to VIC first..we have completely lost it.
The health experts have taken over and we are losing because of it. I mean the ACT just relaxed restrictions last week and they are at 95% fully vaccinated? WTF?

I for one have given up on all the idiotic states bull crap , and will be using my copious amounts of leave to remove myself from any duty that requires bull dust quarantine. It’s over, wake up and sort this country out, otherwise I’m out!

I do believe however come April May Australia will get a spike in cases, but that only will suck if your unvaccinated…

Changing jobs are ya?
As a professional pilot we use data that has been proven by thousands of hours of engineering and flight test data to do our job. Some of us still stuff it up.
The Health professionals, the majority of whom would have done far more education in their field that the average line pilot, are being pilloried for doing their job in a situation where they have no tried and tested data.

I suggest that we all pull our heads in, stick to what we know and let the health professionals do their job.

[Angle of Attack]

Not changing jobs at all?
haha are you saying health professionals are getting a raw deal? No they deserve to leave if they are unvaccinated, simple. 98% of health professionals have done their job, do you support the nutter 2%? It’s simple get vaccinated or lose, protests won’t work.

[Angle of Attack]

The interesting thing is both my parents and both my 2 siblings are doctors and they have basically said you are a complete ****wit if you don’t want the vaccine. Truth doesn’t matter until your breathing razor blades. Idiots.

[AerialPerspective]

Actually if you read the proposed act changes that Victoria wants to introduce it includes mandatory reporting of reasoning and why a certain health response is required. Its basis is shifting the responsibility to the elected member from that of a government employee, so yes while Dan is elected he gets more powers, however he must also put forward an explanation and reasoning for any chosen measures, including medical advice used, which is currently not required. Most of the tripe that's being spread around about the changes, is just that, complete fabrication. The overall benefit to the community is that the process becomes very much more transparent rather than just CHO's and ministers telling you what to do.
Exactly. One of the reasons it has been done also, is to ensure that a person making decisions of such gravity resides in the Parliament and is therefore answerable to the people via election, rather than a public servant.

[cLeArIcE]

Changing jobs are ya?
As a professional pilot we use data that has been proven by thousands of hours of engineering and flight test data to do our job. Some of us still stuff it up.
The Health professionals, the majority of whom would have done far more education in their field that the average line pilot, are being pilloried for doing their job in a situation where they have no tried and tested data.

I suggest that we all pull our heads in, stick to what we know and let the health professionals do their job.
While that is some what true, it doesn't mean they should all be given free reign. It's not the roll of politicians to just blindly follow every bit of advice (even medical professionals). Their role is take advice from multiple sides and sources then make the tough decisions. Its like listening to the Family of a dying man begging you to land at that Little island in the middle of the Pacific. Sure the hospital down there might save his life but you have other things to consider too. All this hiding behind world's best health advice without any consideration for the consequences is Just weak leaders too afraid to make the difficult decisions.

[IXUXU]

I apologize for my previous message. I lost the manners.

[Australopithecus]

I haven’t been bothered to weigh in on this thread for months now because the idioti frankly are not worth my time. This last idiot even less so.

[blubak]

Changing jobs are ya?
As a professional pilot we use data that has been proven by thousands of hours of engineering and flight test data to do our job. Some of us still stuff it up.
The Health professionals, the majority of whom would have done far more education in their field that the average line pilot, are being pilloried for doing their job in a situation where they have no tried and tested data.

I suggest that we all pull our heads in, stick to what we know and let the health professionals do their job.
That includes those who continually question the development of the vaccines,the average person has little or no idea of the amount of work by highly trained professionals that go into this but because somebody they know says its a scam or conspiracy they suddenly become experts.

[Buster Hyman]

It takes years based, exponentially, on the available funding. Throw more money and it takes less time.

[dr dre]

Listen ****er, thats exactly what we are missing here .....thousand or trials on this vaccine . Why do you think it takes years to get the fully approval for a vaccine.....get a ******* OUIJA table and ask general Collin Powell, you ****.

You really are a ******* penal colony

It’s been said a million times but just to re-iterate:

Adverse reaction follow ups on trial subjects are only done for several months after administration of the trial vaccine, never years later.

The main reason vaccine trials take years is the lack of funding, Covid vaccines had billions pumped in at the start.

There is widespread testing for the virus and millions of cases which made testing of vaccine effectiveness much more quicker.

The DNA sequence was identified right from the start.

Vaccines were premade and able to be rolled out as soon as the first trials were completed.

Colin Powell passed away despite being fully vaccinated as he had a cancer that destroyed his immune producing white blood cells, he would’ve been susceptible to any bad pathogen and his case isn’t a case of vaccine failure.

[mince]

Keep on believin dre……

[itsnotthatbloodyhard]

Stop wasting your time Dr Dre, they’ve done their research! :}

[IXUXU]

It’s been said a million times but just to re-iterate:

Adverse reaction follow ups on trial subjects are only done for several months after administration of the trial vaccine, never years later.

The main reason vaccine trials take years is the lack of funding, Covid vaccines had billions pumped in at the start.

There is widespread testing for the virus and millions of cases which made testing of vaccine effectiveness much more quicker.

The DNA sequence was identified right from the start.

Vaccines were premade and able to be rolled out as soon as the first trials were completed.

Colin Powell passed away despite being fully vaccinated as he had a cancer that destroyed his immune producing white blood cells, he would’ve been susceptible to any bad pathogen and his case isn’t a case of vaccine failure.

Exactly.
Has been said from the very beginning. UNDERLYING CONDITIONS. This virus is only dangerous for people with underlying conditions. People with a compromised immunological system. The vaccine is not going to change that. Is not changing that and it didn´t make the difference for Powell ( and many others).

No, is not because the lack of funding that a vaccine takes years to be fully ready. Even our COVID vaccines are still under trial ( approved or not, are still under trial). They simply don´t know all the side effects. as they didn´t know about the clots and they really don´t know what other effects can appear. You need time (days, months if you want) and a very big sample of population to see all the collateral, and that´s why they have a list of possible side effects and they are just watching and waiting...and learning. Is how it works with any vaccine.

Big Pharma and lack of funding ?........sorry it doesn´t match.

DNA sequence was completed from the start, and the vaccine was designed during a weekend but the Virus has changed already, there are many variants out there....vaccine remains the same and no matter how many shots you are being forced to take cause it won´t work as it should.
People, even in a 100% vaccinated population scenario, will continue carrying, transmitting and dying because the virus but hey! there is no need for panic....We already face many other, actually more dangerous, virus, like Flu, a virus that historically has killed way more millions of people than Covid and it continues doing so every year despite the vaccine. A vaccine, by the way, that has never been and its not mandatory.

So let´s agree to disagree. Time will say.

[43Inches]

When you add up all the 'underlying' conditions that covid can aggravate and kill you via it adds up to more than 50% of the population, and once you are over 60 that figure is probably 90%+. So your extremely healthy part of the population is a minority group (who BTW can still get severely sick and die of covid, just in lessor amounts). Most of us writing here probably have underlying conditions of some sort, some may be aware, others not until it sends them to hospital or kills them.

[StudentInDebt]

<Uniformed waffle>
So let´s agree to disagree. Time will say.”Let’s agree to disagree”. The last vestige of the critically uniformed when their debating points, derived from watching a YouTube video posted by a bloke living in his parents basement with a “please subscribe” message, have run out of steam in the face of facts.

[IXUXU]

When you add up all the 'underlying' conditions that covid can aggravate and kill you via it adds up to more than 50% of the population, and once you are over 60 that figure is probably 90%+. So your extremely healthy part of the population is a minority group (who BTW can still get severely sick and die of covid, just in lessor amounts). Most of us writing here probably have underlying conditions of some sort, some may be aware, others not until it sends them to hospital or kills them.

Have you seen the total numbers regarding total confirmed cases and deaths? cause it seems to me that to survive the virus you don´t need to be extremely, as you said, healthy. And yes, I´m agree, even if you are healthy you can get severely ill with Covid ...but also with Flu, sometimes **** happens. Furthermore, even if you´re vaccinated still can get severely ill or even die from Covid...and that´s my point. The vaccine is not a final solution, a miracle, something that is going to make the virus to be gone.

This vaccine is not working as it should be, period. If it did, we wouldn´t be here discussing all this no sense of measures. I wouldn´t be passing quarantine, despite being vaccinated with 2 shots of Pfizer, and doing antigen test every week and PCR´s every now and then. I would be in Napier enjoying a nice Hawkes Bay Chardonnay instead of being in this ****hole drinking a beer full of ice cause there is no human way to keep it cold....or cycling Te Mata peak and enjoying the fresh air instead and not having to wear a mask, under 38 degrees and 80% humidity that barely allows me to breath ....

But Hey! the third shot is coming.......

Oh boy, I wanted this vaccine to work, me more than anyone else.

[IXUXU]

”Let’s agree to disagree”. The last vestige of the critically uniformed when their debating points, derived from watching a YouTube video posted by a bloke living in his parents basement with a “please subscribe” message, have run out of steam in the face of facts.


If you´re trying to put me in the same page of antivaxxers or as a Covid conspiracy theories supporter, you´re just wrong.

[43Inches]

This vaccine is not working as it should be, period. If it did, we wouldn´t be here discussing all this no sense of measures.

Not sure where you get that idea from, the vaccine is working perfectly fine, with 90% efficacy with virtually no side effects. Multiple studies on actual data worldwide suggests it's doing exactly what it should and the unvaccinated continue to be the main driver of spread and hospitalisations. The measures are still in place because of 'stupid' and the unvaccinated cohorts.

[De_flieger]

Exactly.
Has been said from the very beginning. UNDERLYING CONDITIONS. This virus is only dangerous for people with underlying conditions. People with a compromised immunological system. The vaccine is not going to change that. Is not changing that and it didn´t make the difference for Powell ( and many others).
(SNIP)

So let´s agree to disagree. Time will say.
No, you're factually wrong. This virus is more dangerous for people with underlying conditions. Healthy people with no underlying health conditions can, and do die from it, albeit less often. Pre-existing conditions worsen the odds. The vaccine drastically reduces the likelihood of serious illness and death. A recent analysis in Texas, covering a time period where vaccines were widely available and covid was also widespread, shows the massive improvement in outcomes for the vaccinated vs unvaccinated. If you're interested, you can read it here.

COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status (https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx) Here's a couple of key points, if you don't want to follow the link - they have a particular focus on the time period September 4 to October 1, as that was when the Delta variant was widespread and vaccines had been freely available for a long time, taken from their report:
From September 4 through October 1, 2021:

Unvaccinated people were 13 times more likely to become infected with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people.
Unvaccinated people were 20 times more likely to experience COVID-19-associated death than fully vaccinated people.


And
In the September time frame, unvaccinated people in their 40s were 55 times more likely to die from COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated people of the same age. Unvaccinated people aged 75 years and older were 12 times more likely to die than their vaccinated counterparts.
The vaccine isn't a miracle, as you say, but it makes a vast difference. Time has already said, the results are clear.

If you don't want people to put you on the same page of antivaxxers or as a Covid conspiracy theories supporter, you shouldn't repeat their conspiracy theories and disproven talking points.

[Icarus2001]

Facts can be so inconvenient…

Over 98% survival rate for those infected.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1671x1315/08a4a515_5ae6_48da_bf3c_cd3d7caaa01d_4c069139b7c0eb52edd7e99 fe831846d5fc34ff0.jpeg

[logansi]

The majority of Australia's infections have occurred post-vaccination in the at-risk groups.

Also would you get on an aircraft if it had a 1 in 50 chance of crashing? Thats 98% survival.

[43Inches]

I think what he's saying (badly) is that it is ok for me to go around shooting males over 60 in the head. Because obviously that portion of the population doesn't matter to them, they can just die, they were going to anyway, why can't I just speed it up.

[Icarus2001]

Also would you get on an aircraft if it had a 1 in 50 chance of crashing? Thats 98% survival.

Gee let me think about that, no obviously. What is clearly lost on you is that choosing to get on an aircraft is vastly different to living with an endemic virus in society. Hepatitis is not a pleasant infection, TB is rife in SE Asia, STDs are more common than discussed in polite society. We just get on with it. Life that is. 98.5% survival rate overall, for those under 70 years of age more like 99.5% survival rate.

they can just die, they were going to anyway, why can't I just speed it up.

I certainly never said that. By the way, SPOILER ALERT, we all die in the end.

[43Inches]

I certainly never said that. By the way, SPOILER ALERT, we all die in the end.

You are saying that by round about means, the fact you are willing to choose between normal life and letting a few old people die, means you think your lifestyle is worth more than their life, it's simple really. And the age at which covid becomes deadly is about 50+ not 70+, beyond 70 it becomes about a 50/50 survival rate, from 50-70 you have about a 20% chance of dying and so on, unvaccinated of course.

I mean at least be honest with yourself, what you are exactly spruiking is that your lifestyle is worth more than a few old people. Try and word it any other way, its the same outcome. Otherwise you would not have put a big graph up saying it only kills older people and 98% survive.

[De_flieger]

Gee let me think about that, no obviously. What is clearly lost on you is that choosing to get on an aircraft is vastly different to living with an endemic virus in society.

Yes, you can choose to get on an aircraft, or not. An endemic virus, on the other hand, will spread widely and infect most of the population sooner or later, without public health measures to prevent it, so whether or not you get it depends a lot on the actions of others, things such as wearing masks, social distancing, and.... vaccination, which makes it much less likely that you'll be infected. If you're not infected, you won't pass it on to others such as the older age groups or just your neighbours who you didn't realise had asthma or an underlying heart condition.


If you think it only affects the elderly though, of the 756,962 dead in the USA as of a few days ago, 49,072 were in the 45-54 year old age bracket. As you get older, the risk gets worse, but in the 55-64 year old bracket there were 107,985 deaths. Personally I don't think that 45-54 is particularly old, or someone's death in that group should be discounted because "oh, it only really affects the elderly, they were going to die anyway". Call it about 156,000 dead, aged between 45 and 64, out of the ~756,000. How many people in your airline are in that age group? This idea that "it's only serious if you're elderly and infirm" seems most often propagated by those with a financial or political interest in not taking public health measures, or an ideological issue with vaccines. There are plenty of examples of them begging for prayers on social media as they go onto a ventilator.

I certainly never said that. By the way, SPOILER ALERT, we all die in the end.
Well, in that case, I'll tell the Homicide Squad to stand down. If we're going for gross over-simplifications then any death is just an acceleration of what was going to happen anyway over a long enough timeframe.

[601]

drinking a beer full of ice
That is probably more dangerous that any infectious virus,

[Maggie Island]

“she deserved it – bitch deserved it.” Eazy-E agrees: “Yeah, bitch had it coming.”



As Mr Eazy would later discover, it turns out if you ignore a dangerous virus - particularly one that doesn’t have much data on it, then you’ve got it coming too.

[dr dre]

it was pretty obvious. Mentioning what is happening in other parts of Europe. WHICH ARE LOCKDOWNS.
and as it wasn’t obvious enough then…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10202973/Government-ramps-programme-winter-wave-bay.html

Attacking someone’s user name doesn’t help convince others to follow your point of view.

A lockdown to me is a requirement for all people to remain to home for all but essential reasons.

What’s happening in Austria and Germany is the unvaccinated only are being locked at home in some states, whilst the vaccinated have no restrictions. For the unvaccinated there is a very simple way to get out of lockdown, get jabbed.

The Dutch have upped capacity restrictions and some earlier closing times temporarily but still short of stay at home orders.

That link from the Daily Mail that was posted - still admits that lockdowns are a far away possibility. I don’t think anyone is ever going to completely rule out a total lockdown, but expect more restrictions on those who choose not to be vaccinated.

The conspiracy theorists can go on about their loss of freedoms and one world government all day long, for the most part if you are vaccinated you’re going to be fairly free. Whilst a lot of Europe tried to open up without discriminating against the unvaccinated it looks like they’ll be now subject to restrictions.

Australia is basically going to start with this approach, and a higher Vax rate than those European countries that are seeing spikes now so should avoid a lot of these problems.

[De_flieger]

And having a user name of a repeated women beater isn’t going to do you any favours, To those with ANY moral compass it is offensive and disgusting.

Holy thread drift, Batman! Out of curiosity though, on a moral compass is that better or worse than a user name that sounds like an introduced pest species linked to the extinction of numerous native Australian species?

(For what it's worth, I don't really care what people's usernames are, because they were probably chosen as an obscure reference to a job or an in joke or something at the time, for all I know Foxxster might be a NATO fighter pilot - or someone who plays one on Digital Combat Simulator - and Dr Dre might be a doctor of hair and skin specialising in dreadlocks. It just seems like a bit of a ridiculous thing to focus on)

[dr dre]

I would say that an intelligent, rational person would conclude that all that just might stop some people booking a flight there. I cannot speak for you though



The chance of an intelligent rational person (who would be vaccinated) not booking or cancelling a flight to some destinations because of the risk of a future lockdown would be small.

Probably the same chance of an intelligent, rational person refusing a vaccine because they think it’s part of a sinister plot.

Basically except for the Netherlands most of the re-introduced restrictions were for the unvaccinated only, so the intelligent, rational person who got the vaccine would be unaffected.

[Foxxster]

Seems travel warnings have already started with respect to EU and other European countries. How long before Australia joins in.


Israel’s top health official suggested Sunday that COVID-related travel restrictions could be imposed on some European countries, due to rising infection levels in some parts of the continent.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-chief-warns-travel-restrictions-possible-for-europe-amid-covid-outbreaks/

EU’s Top Health Authority Suggests Avoiding Travel to Majority of EU Countries as Winter Holidays Approach


https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/eus-top-health-authority-suggests-avoiding-travel-to-majority-of-eu-countries-as-winter-holidays-approach/

Days Before Reopening Borders for Europeans, US Advises Against Travel to 14 EU Countries

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/days-before-reopening-borders-for-europeans-us-advises-against-travel-to-14-countries/

[cloudsurfng]

I am so glad you take violence against women so glibly.
And it is certainly not a ridiculous thing to focus on. Go and take a very hard look at yourself sunshine. I want nothing to do with you or that other ****wit. You are both bloody disgraces.

Some of the injuries she suffered included a broken nose, five black eyes and even a cracker rib In her Lifetime biopic 'Surviving Compton' in 2016, Michel’le revealed that there was an incident where Dr Dre once came out and "beat her out of her sleep", after he had been drinking all night.


pretty funny isn’t it.

in 1990, he attacked Barnes after he felt that she disrespected him when during the interview she had done with Ice Cube.
In an interview with Rolling Stone in August 1991, Barnes revealed that not only was she slammed into a wall and thrown down a staircase, she was also punched multiple times by the rapper after his men blocked the exit of a bathroom. He had grabbed her hair and punched her in the back of the head. She recounted the incident in a 1991 statement saying that she endured him "slamming her face and right side of her body repeatedly against a wall near the stairway”.

still laughing..

bloody hell. What an idiot. Take your IRL first name, type it in to google, and you’ll likely find someone somewhere in history who did something stupid. Are you going to change your name now? No? You’re a bloody disgrace. How dare you.

give me a Farkin break. :ugh:

[brokenagain]

I want nothing to do with you or that other ****wit. You are both bloody disgraces.

What a tantrum!

[Derfred]

Folks, it was “notice-day” today for VA and QF/JQ - unvaccinated staff were told not to turn up for work this morning.

Some have just found themselves with a lot more spare time to post on PPRUNE.

Just let them run with it, I suggest.

[PoppaJo]

So the SA Government have now advised nobody can enter or exit its state if they have been to any council areas that have a below 80% vaccination rate in Victoria.

The data being used is from 2016 census, so Melbourne City is below the figure as are many others, due to Foreign students who have now left, impacting the data. If you are a resident of SA and plan on dropping into the Melbourne city, you must quarantine for 2 weeks on return.

There goes any demand for SA -> VIC. What a crock of...

[Derfred]

Yeah, that’s ****.

The inaccuracy bias of quoted vaccination rates based upon population calculated on pre-covid population data in certain areas has been noted, but perhaps not sufficiently included when it comes to influencing certain government policies,

Give Steve a ring and let him know. He’s a common-sense dude isn’t he?

[SHVC]

We did a census few months ago, how long does it take for that to be processed? Population stats will shock some.

[Foxxster]

Now Germany looks like locking down. 14 million unvaccinated. Can’t imagine the effect that will have on bars, restaurants, hotels , transport etc etc. already Munich has cancelled the Christmas markets, a major tourist attraction. Forget Europe for the next few months at least. More will follow.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10208873/Germany-follow-Austrias-lockdown-apartheid-Berlin-considers-rules-14m-unvaccinated-citizens.html

[Foxxster]

Yeah, that’s ****.

The inaccuracy bias of quoted vaccination rates based upon population calculated on pre-covid population data in certain areas has been noted, but perhaps not sufficiently included when it comes to influencing certain government policies,

Give Steve a ring and let him know. He’s a common-sense dude isn’t he?


seems all our state premiers are blessed with abundant common sense. Said no one ever. Same could be said for intelligence, integrity

[43Inches]

The anti-vaxxers in germany are a well known problem, it's not a small group there and they even hold small parties to 'spread' the virus. A mate there has witnessed the parties while doing deliveries for the post. Locals there also show no sympathy for them, so this may end up very badly for the antis in those countries. Also be careful of how the news presents Germany and Europe in general, locals i speak to have very different views on what the news says here and the UK for that matter (suprise, suprise, the news exaggerates stuff...)

[SOPS]

The UK is set to require a booster shot to avoid Q if travelling.


https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/15/no-10-plans-booster-jab-requirement-for-people-to-obtain-covid-pass


The ‘ let’s open up and get back to normal ‘ thing is a little more complicated than it appears.

[Foxxster]

Just for old times sake and a bit of a laugh. Our old friend..off topic but.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-17/craig-thomson-charged-over-alleged-migration-fraud/100627382

[dr dre]

Now Germany looks like locking down. 14 million unvaccinated...... More will follow

Great.

If they don’t want to be locked down just get vaccinated. It’s very simple and won’t cost a cent.

[SOPS]

Just for old times sake and a bit of a laugh. Our old friend..off topic but.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-17/craig-thomson-charged-over-alleged-migration-fraud/100627382

He never gives up!!!!

[aussieflyboy]

The UK is set to require a booster shot to avoid Q if travelling.


https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/15/no-10-plans-booster-jab-requirement-for-people-to-obtain-covid-pass


The ‘ let’s open up and get back to normal ‘ thing is a little more complicated than it appears.

No big deal for Aussies. Boosters are freely available for those who were vaccinated 6+ months ago.

[SHVC]

Australia being very highly vaccinated the country will be in the high 80s maybe low 90s eventually. We won’t see domestic borders close again altho WA who are still in lockdown for the foreseeable future. I couldn’t be certain that an international border closure would occur again, that is still a strong possibility.

[morno]

And now it’s made it’s way to an indigenous community that has a large amount of movement back and forth between there and a NW Qld indigenous community. That’ll be the beginning of the end

[No Idea Either]

WA is not in “lock down”, there are still moving around quite freely within the State. They just won’t let anyone else in from the other States. More like “isolation” I think.

[SHVC]

Isolation-lockdown what ever you want to call it. Locked down within your own state is a better term. You can leave but can return without 14 days quarantine …… unless you’re a cricketer then it’s 5 because covid only takes 5 days in cricketers.

[Ladloy]

Isolation-lockdown what ever you want to call it. Locked down within your own state is a better term. You can leave but can return without 14 days quarantine …… unless you’re a cricketer then it’s 5 because covid only takes 5 days in cricketers.
SA, Tas and QLD residents are free to move through the state and vice versa.

[Transition Layer]

SA, Tas and QLD residents are free to move through the state and vice versa.
Until those states shortly open up to VIC and NSW, at which point WA will likely go back to the “island within an island” mantra that MM loves!

[Clare Prop]

WA is not in “lock down”, there are still moving around quite freely within the State. They just won’t let anyone else in from the other States. More like “isolation” I think.
Nonsense. People from TAS, QLD and SA can enter without quarantine and without being vaxxed.

There have been two lock downs since the pandemic began, each lasting 4 days.

We have had less cases and deaths since this began that Vic get in one day.

[Foxxster]

Europe slides further towards lockdowns and restrictions. Do not go and if you know anyone planning a trip there including the UK in the next few months, advise them against it.
Even if countries only lockdown the unvaccinated, in Germany that is 14 million people. Think of the effect that is going to have on the number of workers available to staff restaurants, shops, public transport, hotels etc etc. And major events like Christmas markets are already being cancelled. Things are only going to get worse and probably quite rapidly.


The hardest-hit region has been Upper Austria, where the governor today called for restrictions on the un-jabbed to be scrapped - but only so that a full nationwide lockdown can be imposed instead.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10216171/Germany-faces-really-terrible-Christmas-unless-new-restrictions-imposed-health-chief-warns.html

[StudentInDebt]

Nonsense. People from TAS, QLD and SA can enter without quarantine and without being vaxxed.

There have been two lock downs since the pandemic began, each lasting 4 days.

We have had less cases and deaths since this began that Vic get in one day.
Completely agree, there is no lockdown in WA. The states you list have enacted similar travel restrictions to states with COVID cases and NT was on there too until this week.
For the sake of accuracy, since the pandemic began there have been 3 "snap" lockdowns in WA this year - January, April and June, there was also an initial period of lockdown restrictions from mid-March to May 2020 (capacity restrictions remained in place for several more months).

[Icarus2001]

The fact you can fly from Sydney or Melbourne to Europe but not WA shows we are no longer one country.
The damage this political mess has created will last a long time.


Europe slides further towards lockdowns and restrictions.

Looking at you source link I can see why you believe that. The media PREDICTIONS are not reality.

[Ladloy]

The fact you can fly from Sydney or Melbourne to Europe but not WA shows we are no longer one country.
The damage this political mess has created will last a long time.



Looking at you source link I can see why you believe that. The media PREDICTIONS are not reality.
If only the PM took responsibility

[Icarus2001]

I wish he COULD. The federal government cannot override State Health Acts.

I have said before, imagine ScoMo allowing flights into Perth Airport or Brisbane Airport, Federally controlled land AFP jurisdiction. Then the state police are on the road out of the airport throwing everyone into quarantine.

[dr dre]

Europe slides further towards lockdowns and restrictions. Do not go and if you know anyone planning a trip there including the UK in the next few months, advise them against it.
Even if countries only lockdown the unvaccinated, in Germany that is 14 million people. Think of the effect that is going to have on the number of workers available to staff restaurants, shops, public transport, hotels etc etc. And major events like Christmas markets are already being cancelled. Things are only going to get worse and probably quite rapidly.


The hardest-hit region has been Upper Austria, where the governor today called for restrictions on the un-jabbed to be scrapped - but only so that a full nationwide lockdown can be imposed instead.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10216171/Germany-faces-really-terrible-Christmas-unless-new-restrictions-imposed-health-chief-warns.html

From the graph on the Daily Mail link we can see that France, Italy, Spain and Portugal are recording the slowest growth in new infections. They also happen to be the most vaccinated of all countries, with total vaccination rates of 75-80% (would equate to 90%+ of over 16s as used in Australia)

UK has a high vax rate too so their growth is in the middle, but they don’t have any other measures for the moment, vaccine passports plans were dropped. In Italy for instance they have a green pass system to enter a restaurant, bar or workplace and that combined with high vax is working to keep numbers down.

Places like Austria, Netherlands, Belgium and Germany have 65-70% total Vax numbers. They are the ones now debating imposing restrictions on the unvaccinated, and that alone has caused the vax rate to shoot up as the article states.

In Australia we have vaccine mandates, a greater will to implement vaccine passports plus will achieve a higher vax rate (95%+ of over 16s) before opening up and letting the virus fully circulate before next winter, so shouldn’t encounter the same problems.

The evidence from Europe is clear, very high vaccination rates plus use of a passport system and masks in high risk settings work well, along with restrictions on the unvaccinated. Moderate Vax rates and little or no restrictions on the unvaccinated is just not strong enough.

[SOPS]

The fact you can fly from Sydney or Melbourne to Europe but not WA shows we are no longer one country.
The damage this political mess has created will last a long time.



Looking at you source link I can see why you believe that. The media PREDICTIONS are not reality.

Austria is going back into full lock down for at least 20 days. Germany tipped to follow. I think the predictions are becoming reality.

[dr dre]

Austria is going back into full lock down for at least 20 days. Germany tipped to follow. I think the predictions are becoming reality.

For countries with low vax rates.

Austria had levelled off at 67% 1 dose and 64% 2 doses in the total population a few days ago, one of the lowest rates in Western Europe. Austria, for some reason, has had an abnormally high amount of influence from anti-vaxxers in it’s politcial sphere, the third biggest party in parliament is a far right party which has promoted anti-vaccine views, and a single issue anti vaccine party gained seats at the last election too. But these latest announcements have thankfully caused a spike in vaccinations in the last few days.

For comparison Australia is at 77% one dose and 70% two. This equates to 91% and 85% of over 16s. And climbing steadily whereas Austria levelled out well below.

[SOPS]

For countries with low vax rates.

Austria had levelled off at 67% 1 dose and 64% 2 doses in the total population a few days ago, one of the lowest rates in Western Europe. Austria, for some reason, has had an abnormally high amount of influence from anti-vaxxers in it’s politcial sphere, the third biggest party in parliament is a far right party which has promoted anti-vaccine views, and a single issue anti vaccine party gained seats at the last election too. But these latest announcements have thankfully caused a spike in vaccinations in the last few days.

For comparison Australia is at 77% one dose and 70% two. This equates to 91% and 85% of over 16s. And climbing steadily whereas Austria levelled out well below.

Yes, I realise that. My point simply was, some of Europe is heading for another lock down.

[Icarus2001]

Yes, I realise that. My point simply was, some of Europe is heading for another lock down. So let’s agree then that one maybe two or three countries out of forty four MAY be going back into some form of lock down.
Agreed.

[Ladloy]

I wish he COULD. The federal government cannot override State Health Acts.

I have said before, imagine ScoMo allowing flights into Perth Airport or Brisbane Airport, Federally controlled land AFP jurisdiction. Then the state police are on the road out of the airport throwing everyone into quarantine.
He did have the option to control hotel quarantine, order more vaccines earlier and implement a national plan. All of which he didn't do.

[galdian]

He did have the option to control hotel quarantine, order more vaccines earlier and implement a national plan. All of which he didn't do.

OK we get it, you don't like ScoMo, fair enough.

Please don't continue to flog a dead horse - does nothing for the horse and makes the flogger appear unbalanced and unworthy.

Next year you get to express your displeasure at the ballot box - look forward to that time and when it comes let it rip! :ok:

[WingNut60]

OK we get it, you don't like ScoMo, fair enough.

Please don't continue to flog a dead horse - does nothing for the horse and makes the flogger appear unbalanced and unworthy.

Next year you get to express your displeasure at the ballot box - look forward to that time and when it comes let it rip! :ok:
But please, you just keep on flogging Palaszcuk, McGowan and West Australians to your tiny mind's content.

[galdian]

But please, you just keep on flogging Palaszcuk, McGowan and West Australians to your tiny mind's content.

And when was the last time I said anything about those you mentioned?

I've given up, MM and the chook can play their own games in their own way and I'm happy to look on with mild amusement tinged with occasional incredulity.

Cheers. :ok:

[Ladloy]

OK we get it, you don't like ScoMo, fair enough.

Please don't continue to flog a dead horse - does nothing for the horse and makes the flogger appear unbalanced and unworthy.

Next year you get to express your displeasure at the ballot box - look forward to that time and when it comes let it rip! :ok:
just balancing the unbalanced forum that is pprune.

[SHVC]

Well, here we again! Omnicron much more transmissible than Delta and vaccines only 30% affective against it.

[PoppaJo]

Major humanitarian crisis about to unfold in Africa. Not even a quarter fully vaccinated.

[havick]

Well, here we again! Omnicron much more transmissible than Delta and vaccines only 30% affective against it.

More importantly, is whoever named this new strain a futurama fan? Or simply coincidence.

[chookcooker]

Well, here we again! Omnicron much more transmissible than Delta and vaccines only 30% affective against it.

considering Pfizer themselves just said that they won’t know how effective the vaccine is for two weeks, care to share your source for the 30%?

[Bend alot]

Major humanitarian crisis about to unfold in Africa. Not even a quarter fully vaccinated.
Maybe have a look at Botswana where it was first discovered on 11 November & the crisis there.

Remember what AID's stands for?

https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/sub-saharan-africa/botswana?fbclid=IwAR1f1zfKgdvXIPJHyObKXv4SKugPVm447sjc7TTpP1 7oT-0GytjFIxp3hkc

[SHVC]

it was on the news, however they may have made a mistake as it has 50 mutations with 30 new spike proteins

AIDS- Aviation induced divorce syndrome!

[43Inches]

NEWS = Never Educate With Sensationalism

The only evidence that is coming from Omnicron so far is that it is reinfecting previously infected individuals, which would suggest it could reduce vaccine effectiveness as well. Just another lesson to be learned from letting the virus spreads leads to mutations that eventually overcome human defenses, hopefully its less severe, rather than worse.

[Potsie Weber]

Major humanitarian crisis about to unfold in Africa. Not even a quarter fully vaccinated.

Much lower death rate from COVID in Africa (except South Africa) compared to other regions throughout the pandemic thus far. Could be from a number of reasons but most likely due to very young population demographics.

[43Inches]

I would say the average Africans immune system is armed to the teeth from exposure to everything. There's also the lower age and higher fitness of the general population as well. Not so many fat, diabetic couch surfers in most of Africa, where in SA its closer to 'western' lifestyles. They also are very in-tune with epidemics and avoiding getting sick, you wont see many of them laughing at the spread of sickness like in the west.

[Liklik balus]

Standby for the imminent closure of our international border.......and I so advise!! (there goes the holidays).

[SHVC]

I doubt they will close it straight away, they may restrict travel inbound from certain countries.

They will watch it keenly tho to see the spread.

[dr dre]

I doubt they will close it straight away, they may restrict travel inbound from certain countries.

They will watch it keenly tho to see the spread.

Already happening:

Federal government to announce changes to quarantine for South African arrivals (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-27/covid-live-updates-who-omicron-coronavirus-variant-borders/100655298)

The variant has been detected in or from people who’ve been to Egypt, Israel, Hong Kong, Belgium. It’s too late to contain out of Africa.

But there’s some preliminary statements from SA that it’s not causing too much severe illness and vaccines are still keeping people mostly out of hospital, so caution and a bit of calmness needed.

Already vaccine manufacturers have stated they can tailor booster shots specific to the variant, so no doubt this will trigger anti vaxxers to claim the variant was created by big pharma all along......

[PoppaJo]

mRNA booster vaccines can be tweaked as such to cater for new variants so shouldn’t be a disaster in the West. No doubt they are already working on it.

2022/2023 was always going to be a case of cat and mouse with variants and outbreaks. We need to sort of cycle out of the exit phase with numerous bumps along the way. It will die off eventually......

If it’s going to trigger a firm border again, Keep the nations border shut to protect the state borders. We cannot go back to what we are now getting out of. I can see some states shutting off to the world again.

[Transition Layer]

But there’s some preliminary statements from SA that it’s not causing too much severe illness and vaccines are still keeping people mostly out of hospital, so caution and a bit of calmness needed.

Already vaccine manufacturers have stated they can tailor booster shots specific to the variant, so no doubt this will trigger anti vaxxers to claim the variant was created by big pharma all along......

Fingers crossed! Unfortunately caution and calmness don’t get clicks! Just saw the Greg Hunt press conference and some questions from the media present suggested he wasn’t going far enough - one of them asked about future lockdowns etc. FFS! The parasitic media has a lot to answer for in how this pandemic has unfolded.

[DirectAnywhere]

If it’s going to trigger a firm border again, Keep the nations border shut to protect the state borders. We cannot go back to what we are now getting out of. I can see some states shutting off to the world again.

Waste of time if it’s more contagious than Delta. We couldn’t contain that in hotel quarantine. No chance of containing this. Quarantine camps? Probably, but Howard Springs is still the only dedicated facility.

Definite chance state borders may close again, or stay closed, if Omicron is found in Vic and NSW in the next couple of weeks until more is known.

Moderna has issued press releases indicating they’re already working on an Omicron specific booster. Pfizer and Moderna indicating 100 days to have new variant specific vaccines to market.

Antivirals should be here soon and as they target a different area they should still be effective.

[PoppaJo]

At least keep Vic and NSW open to each other. Highly likely by the looks of things, the others well we sort of know what they will do.

[SOPS]

I’m betting that WA will not open its borders any time soon.

[DirectAnywhere]

I’m betting that WA will not open its borders any time soon.

We should know within a few weeks the impact that Omicron will have on vaccine efficacy.

That shouldn’t affect WAs border opening timeline, so of course it will.

[Transition Layer]

I’m betting that WA will not open its borders any time soon.
Keep dreaming SOPS you scared little person

[SOPS]

Keep dreaming SOPS you scared little person

Im not scared at all. Just expressing an opinion.

[Tucknroll]

The government has already shut the borders to countries affected by this variant. It’s effective immediately which means they know this is likely a highly virulent strain. It’s not a massive leap from listing countries to a return to fortress Australia.

That’s my guess anyway, I wonder if we have learned any lessons from delta.

[SRFred]

I’m betting that WA will not open its borders any time soon.

Won't happen before the federal election is over. Can't have that pesky Scottie from Marketing visiting and 14 days quarantine sort of stuffs Scottie's electioneering up.

[Icarus2001]

I did laugh at this...

Australian government announced flights from South Africa, Botswana, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Lesotho, Eswatini, and Mozambique are banned...

How many is that then?

It’s not a massive leap from listing countries to a return to fortress Australia Sadly you may be correct. If so how about we are allowed to leave this time?

[krismiler]

Singapore Airlines are offering flights to Brisbane and Adelaide from 15 January, Perth from 1 March.

​​​​​​https://mainlymiles.com/2021/11/25/singapore-airlines-adds-vtl-flights-from-adelaide-brisbane-and-perth/

[DirectAnywhere]

WA is closed to SA due to Omicron.🤣🤦‍♂️(Seriously).

[SOPS]

I repeat. I can’t see WA opening its borders anytime soon.


Arrivals from South Australia 30 minutes ago (4.30pm) have been told they have to do 14 days Q, or return to SA.

[logansi]

And the borders are starting to come down again for international arrivals.

NSW is ordering All travellers who have been in any other overseas country during the 14 day period before their arrival in NSW must travel directly to their place of residence or accommodation and isolate for 72 hours, pending further health advice;

[Icarus2001]

And the borders are starting to come down again for international arrivals.

NSW is ordering All travellers who have been in any other overseas country during the 14 day period before their arrival in NSW must travel directly to their place of residence or accommodation and isolate for 72 hours, pending further health advice;

Oh FFS grow up. First of all a border is either open or closed. It is not Schrodingers cat! Your post shows that the border is in fact OPEN with the condition you go home for three days.

[LostWanderer]

Oh FFS grow up. First of all a border is either open or closed. It is not Schrodingers cat! Your post shows that the border is in fact OPEN with the condition you go home for three days.

As of this moment yes. But who really can not see this is likely going to get much worse in the coming weeks. The border can remain as “open” as you want to believe it to be, but this is going to kill international travel numbers before it even really kicks off again so will have a similar effect as being shut.

[White Knight]

Can’t believe how quickly some of you lot believe the media hype! Impressive words like ‘monstrous’ mutation and so on! Wow. Get back under your rocks and take cover!!! And be careful the sky doesn’t fall on your head too!

Information out of SA states that no one has yet been hospitalized with this ‘scary variant’. Im sure some will be but ffs, life has to go on now! You cannot keep stopping and restarting life!!!

[SHVC]

2 cases in NSW just announced. Let’s see how the states react during the day. WA will make a new level of “stay the F away” category above the very high risk. QLD will be interesting they love nothing more than to close off to NSW id think they might delay their opening now.

[minigundiplomat]

Nice to see the fear has started already.

[Check_Thrust]

2 cases in NSW just announced. Let’s see how the states react during the day. WA will make a new level of “stay the F away” category above the very high risk. QLD will be interesting they love nothing more than to close off to NSW id think they might delay their opening now.

Although you might be right about the reactions of various premiers for interstate border restrictions the two COVID-19 cases that arrived in NSW are not yet confirmed as the Omicron strain (not sure if you were actually implying that they were).

[LapSap]

More importantly, I want to know why the WHO skipped a couple of letters of the Greek alphabet and went for Omicron. Seeing as the letter before that is “Xi”, I wonder if there was a quick phone call from Beijing saying it wouldn’t be a good idea to call it that. :yuk:

[DirectAnywhere]

NSW - 14 days isolation for all flight crew, 3 days for pax pending advice. Joke. Flight crew have just been cut off from their families and society again.

[Torukmacto]

52 States in North America and I’m trying to research each states entry requirements. Can only find a single statement on quarantine requirements on arrival ? Is Australia more fractured and divided across state lines than the USA ?

[krismiler]

Pharmaceutical companies are looking into the new varient to see if vaccines need to be tweeked, most case so far are of unvaccinated people so the present vaccine is at least partially effective.

COVID precautions are already in place, as are large scale vaccination programs. As we're coming upon to nearly a year since people started getting vaccinated, another shot or at least a booster jab is going to be needed for most people in 2022 anyway.

[aussieflyboy]

Testing companies are charging Medicare around $120 per Covid test (70,000+ tests per day in VIC alone). Pfizer vaccine cost around $10 a pop. Perhaps we should all stop getting tested and direct the money to vaccinating the poorer less developed countries thus reducing the chance of virus mutations in the future.

[43Inches]

Already being done Fiji owes its record vaccination uptake to the AZ that Australians shunned. Many other nations are receiving a lot of foreign aid in vaccination, money wont fix it, just more production of vaccine, which is at limits. You also have to get the locals to take the japb as well, the US is not stagnating at 50-60% vaccination due to lack of vaccine, it just suffers from high levels of stupid. King stupid made a comeback today as well blaming Biden for the slow vaccination rate of the country, when he 'leads' the majority of those that refuse to take it....

[megle2]

43,

“ King stupid made a comeback today as well blaming Biden for the slow vaccination rate of the country, when he 'leads' the majority of those that refuse to take it.... “

you sure about that, I thought a study of who were actually holding off proved to be the opposite

[Alfie.floor]

King stupid made a comeback today as well blaming Biden for the slow vaccination rate of the country, when he 'leads' the majority of those that refuse to take it....
How could anyone blame Biden for anything, he’s amazing! Let’s go Brandon!

[itsnotthatbloodyhard]

NSW - 14 days isolation for all flight crew, 3 days for pax pending advice. Joke. Flight crew have just been cut off from their families and society again.

Unbelievable. One day they’re wearing brightly-coloured wigs and driving tiny cars around inside a big tent, next day they’re writing health directives.
God help us.

[dr dre]

43,

you sure about that, I thought a study of who were actually holding off proved to be the reverse

Nope, it’s “King Stupid’s” mob (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-poll-shows-demographic-breakdown-vaccinated-u-s-n1277514) in a poll taken in August of those who’ve chosen to take the vaccine:


Democrats: 88 percent
Independents: 60 percent
Republicans: 55 percent
Republicans who support Trump more than party: 46 percent
Republicans who support party more than Trump: 62 percent
Democratic Sanders-Warren voters: 88 percent
Democratic Biden voters: 87 percent
Biden voters in 2020 general election: 91 percent
Trump voters in 2020 general election: 50 percent

[dr dre]

NSW - 14 days isolation for all flight crew, 3 days for pax pending advice. Joke. Flight crew have just been cut off from their families and society again.

I thought the new NSW Premier was some free market, limited government, personal responsibility hero?

[DirectAnywhere]

Deleted due incorrect info

[cloudsurfng]

My email says 14 days.

[Sparrows.]

All flight crew who have been overseas during the 14-day period before their arrival in NSW must travel directly to their place of residence or accommodation and isolate for 14 days or until their departure on another flight that leaves Australia, consistent with the current rules for unvaccinated flight crew;

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/Pages/20211128_00.aspx

[itsnotthatbloodyhard]

He seems to be, because we're now back to 3 days, in line with Victoria.

Seems to have changed as soon as the adults got in to the office today.

The current online guidelines (as at 4.45 pm today) still say flight crew have to isolate for 14 days - https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/factsheets/Pages/recent-vaccinated-arrivals-guidelines.aspx

Do you have other information?

[DirectAnywhere]

It looks like you're correct. I was relying on the fact that specific reference to aircrew had been removed from the statement below on NSW Health website. It was there this morning but had been removed by this afternoon, referring only to "travellers".

But yes, digging deeper the health orders still seem to apply. Sorry, I'll edit my above post accordingly. Got over excited.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x473/screen_shot_2021_11_28_at_5_06_48_pm_c06ff394ee6efe8830e25e2 7c644740d9eb39b74.png

[SHVC]

Although you might be right about the reactions of various premiers for interstate border restrictions the two COVID-19 cases that arrived in NSW are not yet confirmed as the Omicron strain (not sure if you were actually implying that they were).

I have an inside source, that they’re infected with the new strain!

[SOPS]

I have an inside source, that they’re infected with the new strain!

You are correct. They have it. Let’s see what happens next.

[ManillaChillaDilla]

Here we go again.

Mcd

[Foxxster]

Israel , a country that many look to for its good handling of WuHu flu have now closed their borders to EVERYONE for 14 days. That is all foreign nationals. All.

[PoppaJo]

Media have been advised of a briefing and presser around Quarantine changes tomorrow, across the board apparently not state by state.

Half expecting our rosters to dry up again very soon or next month at least. Looks like many will take a cautious approach over the next 4-8 weeks, good old peak season gone again.

What a blow.

[Australopithecus]

This was always going to happen given the sheer size of the petri dish that covid can mutate in. I expect that we are only in the early innings of the entire pandemic, but it could just as easily eventually mutate into something really contagious yet about like a bad cold in terms of mortality.

On a positive note Pfizer has suggested that they may be able to modify their vaccine to suit in as little as ten weeks. Which makes 2022 a repeat of 2021 if Omicron is as dangerous as Delta.

The early reports are only anecdotal, but there is a suggestion that hospitalisations are lower with Omicron. Here’s hoping…

[chookcooker]

Media have been advised of a briefing and presser around Quarantine changes tomorrow, across the board apparently not state by state.

Half expecting our rosters to dry up again very soon or next month at least. Looks like many will take a cautious approach over the next 4-8 weeks, good old peak season gone again.

What a blow.
source?…?….

[cessnapete]

Since C19 was a major actor in the UK, we have an Isolation exemption for "Essential Workers". ie Truck drivers crossing Borders with food supplies medication etc.. Also includes Flight and Cabin Crew. All are double vaccinated of course, and tested before a foreign trip. seems common sense, if mandatory 14day Isolation was mandated every time a crew went to Paris and back, we would very quickly bring airline aviation to a halt?
There has been no widespread C19 infection problems. even though mask wearing and social distancing cannot be routinely possible in the confines of a flight deck.

[nonsense]

More importantly, I want to know why the WHO skipped a couple of letters of the Greek alphabet and went for Omicron. Seeing as the letter before that is “Xi”, I wonder if there was a quick phone call from Beijing saying it wouldn’t be a good idea to call it that. :yuk:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/why-who-chose-omicron-not-xi-for-new-covid-variant-20211128-p59cu0.html

In a statement, the WHO said it skipped Nu for clarity and Xi to avoid causing offence generally.

“‘Nu’ is too easily confounded with ‘new,’ and ‘Xi’ was not used because it is a common last name,” the WHO said, adding that the agency’s “best practices for naming disease suggest avoiding ‘causing offence to any cultural, social, national, regional, professional or ethnic groups.‘”

Those best practices were outlined in a May 2015 document issued by the agency. The organisation said at the time that it wanted to “minimise unnecessary negative effects on nations, economies and people” when naming infectious diseases.

[SHVC]

FFS SA doing 14 day quarantine stints again for international arrivals. NSW and Vic 3 days. What’s the bloody point of getting vaccinated, there will always be new variants is this how the reaction is going to be moving forward.

[Servo]

Media have been advised of a briefing and presser around Quarantine changes tomorrow, across the board apparently not state by state.

Half expecting our rosters to dry up again very soon or next month at least. Looks like many will take a cautious approach over the next 4-8 weeks, good old peak season gone again.

What a blow.

Just like the beginning of this year PoppaJo. Had just gone back to 100% pay and then Delta. We wont be able to keep the house this time. We have only just managed to hold onto it this year. I am tired. The stress of not knowing if we are going to keep getting paid is taking its toll. Meanwhile the executive team and managers still get 100% and couldnt give a flying f%^k whether staff lose their house, marriage or in some cases minds.

Yet another great screw up by government and NSW health. Lets restrict movement to the country AFTER it has arrived in Australia. They dont care, they still continue getting paid, in fact it has secured them more time in their roles/positions.

[DirectAnywhere]

Yet another great screw up by government and NSW health. Lets restrict movement to the country AFTER it has arrived in Australia. They dont care, they still continue getting paid, in fact it has secured them more time in their roles/positions.

I feel for you Servo, I genuinely do, but given this thing was only announced by SA on 24/11, nominated as a VOC on 26/11, and the Omicron positive cases in NSW arrived on 23rd November, I'm not sure how much quicker you realistically think any authorities could have acted.

As someone said yesterday, the only damage from this thing so far has been indirect - the knee jerk reactions of governments in attempting to buy some time. Anecdotal evidence is emerging from both SA and Israel that illness is mild in the vaccinated. Anti-virals in the pipeline will still work. There is some good news out there.

I know it's tough but try not to get sucked in by the doom merchants. Even Brett Sutton said yesterday that in no way are we back to square one. Hopefully governments will listen and borders will remain open.

All the best to you Servo. Take care of yourself.

[43Inches]

Hopefully with the statement from Sutton in Victoria that its impossible to keep out the strategy to 'live' with it will be the primary direction of at least Victoria. That has little comfort for particularly international aviation as its quite apparent already the borders are slamming shut and travel will stop. All this will do is really dent any comeback to travel overseas as people come to realise Covid ain't going away anytime soon. Travel plans are best to be shelved until something significant happens that says you won't have your plans and money lost to the ether time and again.

[Torukmacto]

The cycle of new variant is getting faster , Pfizer saying 100 days to make booster , oil has gained %50 of its losses , futures back up in states . Borders will be closed just in time to reopen . Whiplash will be only concern .

[Foxxster]

The cycle of new variant is getting faster , Pfizer saying 100 days to make booster , oil has gained %50 of its losses , futures back up in states . Borders will be closed just in time to reopen . Whiplash will be only concern .

100 days to CREATE the new vaccine. Another 9 months to manufacture sufficient quantities and then actually get them into people. Or in short, a year to get back to where we are now with around 90% fully vaccinated.

however I heard an interview this morning with the South African doctor who was the first to find this new strain. She seemed not to be overly concerned as it appears that while it is more infectious, the symptoms are mild with no hospitalisations. So far of course and we will need another two or three weeks to confirm. But the sharemarkets are bouncing off their days low quite convincingly. I have bought in. So fingers crossed this will be a storm in a Petri dish.

[Icarus2001]

as its quite apparent already the borders are slamming shut and travel will stop. No they are not, no it won’t.
Israel has gone hard but they always do.

Australia’s international border is OPEN.

“We can start SHIPPING in one hundred days” is what he actually said.

[megle2]

dr dre, thanks but that’s a study of those who had the jab, 43 and I were on about those that hadn’t

[Richard Dangle]

however I heard an interview this morning with the South African doctor who was the first to find this new strain. She seemed not to be overly concerned as it appears that while it is more infectious, the symptoms are mild with no hospitalisations. So far of course and we will need another two or three weeks to confirm.

I watched the same interview in the UK, closely followed by another specialist warning that the SA age and comorbidity demographics are markedly different from those of many Western populations, so no conclusions can be drawn yet. As you say, another two of three weeks of data gathering required, during which politicians and their advisors across the Western world will (hopefully) prepare for the worst, while we all hope for the best.

[Chris2303]

This may or may not be relevant

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300466181/covid19-could-omicron-help-slay-the-delta-beast

[krismiler]

Nu’ is too easily confounded with ‘new,’ and ‘Xi’ was not used because it is a common last name,​​​​​​

"Xi" is the name of the president of China so naming a virus variant after him wouldn't have gone down well. Most of the cases of the new variant were in unvaccinated people, so the present vaccine seems to offer some level of protection and most of the cases only had mild symptoms. With the start of the vaccination campaign being nearly a year ago, most people would be looking at another jab next year anyway. We're in a much better position to deal with the new variant now compared to being totally unprepared for the initial outbreak. Defences are up and we're learning how to live with COVID.

[Foxxster]

https://youtu.be/ojyuCoYs52c

[Scooter Rassmussin]

As predicted, all borders never to open , still can’t go to many places in Australia. Will not get to WA until the masses form a civil war at the border .
we’re mostly 90% vaxed and there is really no concessions.

[nonsense]

Foxxster, the people in "little" Australia couldn't give a stuff about the NHS, so he lost me in the first ten seconds and went downhill from there. A mocking tone of voice when talking dangerous nonsense really isn't the way to change anyone's opinions.

[Icarus2001]

As predicted, all borders never to open , still can’t go to many places in Australia. Will not get to WA until the masses form a civil war at the border .
we’re mostly 90% vaxed and there is really no concessions.

Australian border is open.

We can travel overseas without an exemption.

Australians can return with a 72 hour isolation.

Only WA and QLD are holding up the border freedoms.

[StudentInDebt]

Australian border is open.

We can travel overseas without an exemption.

Australians can return with a 72 hour isolation.

Only WA and QLD are holding up the border freedoms.Strange that some people always single out WA and QLD and ignore SA, TAS and NT, all of which have restrictions on international arrivals in excess of 72 hours. I wonder why that is?

[itsnotthatbloodyhard]

Strange that some people always single out WA and QLD and ignore SA, TAS and NT, all of which have restrictions on international arrivals in excess of 72 hours. I wonder why that is?

Because WA and QLD have the most obnoxious premiers.

[Ladloy]

Because WA and QLD have the most obnoxious premiers.
I think you proved the point StudentinDebt was alluding to.

[SOPS]

Reports on the radio just now that Jetstar have cancelled all flights to WA until the end of January. Looking at the Jetstar web site, it appears to be true.

[Foxxster]

Foxxster, the people in "little" Australia couldn't give a stuff about the NHS, so he lost me in the first ten seconds and went downhill from there. A mocking tone of voice when talking dangerous nonsense really isn't the way to change anyone's opinions.


I think pointing out abject hypocrisy is always welcome. And deserves mocking. As for dangerous nonsense.. ????

[SHVC]

Reports on the radio just now that Jetstar have cancelled all flights to WA until the end of January. Looking at the Jetstar web site, it appears to be true.

Good! I hated going there.

[Chronic Snoozer]

Good! I hated going there.

The Jetstar website?

[dr dre]

Looks as if WA is intending to open up next year and throw some money behind it:

The package focuses on international education, airlines, tourism and sourcing skilled labour.

It includes $65 million for re-establishing pre-COVID flight routes to Perth and securing new direct routes to Perth from countries such as Germany, India, China and Vietnam.

There will also be $10 million for more intrastate flights.


WA government to spend $185 million in effort to lure students, tourists, workers back when borders open (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-01/wa-govt-to-spend-185m-on-attracting-students-tourists-workers/100664516)

[Foxxster]

This is a good article about vaccines and other treatments in general and with relation to the new variant.

https://www.investors.com/news/technology/vaccine-stocks-ask-the-unthinkable-what-if-todays-covid-shots-fail/

[SHVC]

WA will have to throw a tonne of money to get anyone other than family to visit over there now. WA border antics are all forgotten over here in the sense no one seems to care about it MM has not had any air time for months other than what’s related to the Ashes and even that was a 10 second headline, SCG or MCG are happy about this I would think.

[Chronic Snoozer]

WA will have to throw a tonne of money to get anyone other than family to visit over there now. WA border antics are all forgotten over here in the sense no one seems to care about it MM has not had any air time for months other than what’s related to the Ashes and even that was a 10 second headline, SCG or MCG are happy about this I would think.

I guess WA can expect more of this treatment in the future. Sad that Sam Kerr won’t play a match in her home town in the biggest (women’s) tournament in the world.

Womens World Cup (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/no-knockouts-no-matildas-for-perth-at-2023-fifa-womens-world-cup/100668296)

[Potsie Weber]

WA will have to throw a tonne of money to get anyone other than family to visit over there now. WA border antics are all forgotten over here in the sense no one seems to care about it MM has not had any air time for months other than what’s related to the Ashes and even that was a 10 second headline, SCG or MCG are happy about this I would think.

Pure holiday visitors to WA from interstate pre-COVID were about 400k average per year (2016-2019) spending around $675m per year. They pull that much worth out of the ground every 1.2 days.

[SHVC]

Well they will have to dig double the amount to make up for the tourist dollar they’re loosing out on.

[Potsie Weber]

Well they will have to dig double the amount to make up for the tourist dollar they’re loosing out on.

Yep, start today and finish by morning tea tomorrow. There’s your annual domestic tourist dollar equivalent done!

[Icarus2001]

Yep, start today and finish by morning tea tomorrow. There’s your annual domestic tourist dollar equivalent done!

Fair point but only in dollar value.

Look at the distribution of where tourist dollars get s p r e a d around the state versus mining income.

[snow dragon]

But you need a buyer

[SHVC]

Remember, it’s only worth what the buyer is willing to pay and it won’t last forever.

[Foxxster]

Well,well. NSW, Vic and ACT residents now need to test on arrival to SA

Queensland mandates all people from Adelaide need to isolate for 14 days.

so much for open borders. Who is next.


And internationally.

All international arrivals to the UK will again have to take pre-departure Covid tests in a bid to tackle the Omicron (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/omicron-variant/index.html) variant, the health secretary has confirmed.

All travellers, regardless of vaccination status, who are visiting England, Scotland and Wales, or returning home after a holiday will be required to take either a pre-departure lateral flow or PCR test under the new restrictions.

[SHVC]

Why get vaccinated is the real question. They can jam the booster shot where the sun don’t shine if they mandate it!

[logansi]

Why get vaccinated is the real question. They can jam the booster shot where the sun don’t shine if they mandate it!

Because you want to reduce your risk of seriousness illness of death.

[Aussie Bob]

Well,well. NSW, Vic and ACT residents now need to test on arrival to SA

Queensland mandates all people from Adelaide need to isolate for 14 days.

so much for open borders. Who is next.

Indeed, and to top it off the Guvmint have all but shut down with just a handful of sitting days before the next election. Given by their most recent performance it would seem they are handing over to the states. I look forward to 7 different countries as the states fumble about.

[SOPS]

Why get vaccinated is the real question. They can jam the booster shot where the sun don’t shine if they mandate it!
Because you want to keep your job.

[SHVC]

If borders keep closing there will be no job. O

[aussieflyboy]

Pure holiday visitors to WA from interstate pre-COVID were about 400k average per year (2016-2019) spending around $675m per year. They pull that much worth out of the ground every 1.2 days.

You obviously don’t appreciate the impact that border closures have on families that live interstate. Money is everything is it? Who cares if grandma passes without ever meeting her grandchildren.

[neville_nobody]

Well they will have to dig double the amount to make up for the tourist dollar they’re loosing out on.

Assuming they can find someone to dig it. Not to mention all the other industries to can't afford to pay $150K+ to attract workers.

Mc Gowan will have to watch out next year as he could get wedged politically between the all important 'Health Advice' and the economy.

You obviously don’t appreciate the impact that border closures have on families that live interstate.

From what I have read this is also impacting on people's decision to move to WA for work. People's mindset has changed since Covid.

[dr dre]

Assuming they can find someone to dig it. Not to mention all the other industries to can't afford to pay $150K+ to attract workers.

Mc Gowan will have to watch out next year as he could get wedged politically between the all important 'Health Advice' and the economy.

From what I have read this is also impacting on people's decision to move to WA for work. People's mindset has changed since Covid.

And that’s why a decision is imminent. To be announced after Nat Cabinet on Friday, around when the state hits 80% DD.

As to a stated opening date, 90% 12+, it could be sooner than stated. Currently 88% first dose (remember how a lot of people said West Aussies were too complacent and wouldn’t even get 80%?), 90% comes in about 8 days. Then 4-5 weeks to dose 2, so could be Jan 10-20th potentially. May get that Ashes test squeezed in at the last moment. If they delay it then reopening is just a week or two later, hardly noticeable over a 2 year pandemic.

[SHVC]

Pretty sure CA had moved on from having the Ashes in Perth, SCG and MCG and Canberra are in contention

[LapSap]

If they delay it then reopening is just a week or two later, hardly noticeable over a 2 year pandemic.

Not disagreeing with you but if only that week or two had been saved at the beginning instead letting 5 million loose over Lunar New Year instead of hiding it like Chernobyl, we wouldn’t have had a pandemic. Academic now of course. Wondering what they know now that we don’t, with their insistence on a zero Covid strategy for the Mainland and Hong Kong. Bye bye CX.

[PoppaJo]

More dumb meaningless rules out of this backwater state. She wants to test those dirty folks from down south on Day 5. Meanwhile IF they are positive they have been roaming around our good state for nearly a week now? Pointless.

Testing 3-4 thousand people a day in Cairns? Geez that will break the non existent testing services up here. Haven’t crunched the Goldy numbers yet.

Stupid. Dumb. What more should I expect. We will fine the living daylights out of you should you not comply. Save yourself the hassle our good friends down south, don’t come here.

[SHVC]

Family might be bothered with QLD opening, it will be interesting if tourist could be bothered. Family of 4 wasting half a day of their holiday dragging kids around looking for a testing facility to appease a random 5 day test or face over $4000 in infringements P/P.

[aussieflyboy]

Why would you bother getting a QLD border pass. No one will be checking if you’ve got one.

I arrived from CBR yesterday and no one checked mine and apparently the border is still ‘closed’.

[galdian]

More dumb meaningless rules out of this backwater state. She wants to test those dirty folks from down south on Day 5. Meanwhile IF they are positive they have been roaming around our good state for nearly a week now? Pointless.

Testing 3-4 thousand people a day in Cairns? Geez that will break the non existent testing services up here. Haven’t crunched the Goldy numbers yet.

Stupid. Dumb. What more should I expect. We will fine the living daylights out of you should you not comply. Save yourself the hassle our good friends down south, don’t come here.

Always like your posts PJ, pretty balanced and thoughtful.
If the press conference was observed did any of the journos ask "what's the point/benefit of the 5 day dictum"? If yes what was the considered response?

As I'm planning to head up to the Bribie Island area for a week or so before Xmas I jumped in and made a hire car booking from the 14th, "free cancellation" on the booking but treat that with a grain of salt and see the battle if attempted.

Whilst I view the 5 day test as bull**** for interest I tried to see what was available on a weekend - a reasonable spread on Saturday morning, almost nil on a Sunday.
If the Premier wants to come up with such crap can only hope she realises she'll have to make testing facilities available - more money to be wasted on behalf of the people, go Anna!

Last query for those far smarter than myself - if for example I arrive on a Tuesday is that Day 0 or Day 1 ie is it a rolling 24 hours or a static day?

Cheers.

[Fonz121]

My international border permit always has the time of my arrival at the airport and so I’ve always used that as my zero hour and counted up from there. I assume you would do the same as you cross the QLD border by car.

[SHVC]

Permits permits permits! As there is a lot of focus on the world 1 male tennis player refusing to prove vaccination to be able to play in the slam in Melbourne, he has already been registered to play. I would of thought given the current rules of entry for international arrivals he would be sent to HQ for 14 days if he does not provide evidence, there fore not to much of an issue at state level unless he does go to HQ and still try’s to compete. How would victorians feel if DA made an exemption for NJ to play!

[SHVC]

WA the only state closed in Australia after the 20th DEC! Let’s hope they stay closed well onto next yr I hated going there.

[NumptyAussie]

WA the only state closed in Australia after the 20th DEC! Let’s hope they stay closed well onto next yr I hated going there.

For someone who hates going to WA, you seem to be quite upset and vocal regarding the border restrictions. For the sake of your health, and possibly your families mental health, let the hate go and enjoy your life.

[logansi]

ohh finally! I knew you had it in you. You found a good source!

Its not a bad source but Foxxster loves to only hear the good rosy bits. As John says, we are still learning a lot all the time and if his assumptions are wrong then the world is in for a bad time. The talk of the significant rule changes are only if things do turn bad, not right now. The UK has put in some mask mandates, vax passports and a recommendation to work from home. Not massively significant things.

[SOPS]

For someone who hates going to WA, you seem to be quite upset and vocal regarding the border restrictions. For the sake of your health, and possibly your families mental health, let the hate go and enjoy your life.

where is the like button when you need it?

[nivsy]

where is the like button when you need it?
Yes..where has it gone? Probably the fault of these pesky WA peeps...🤭😁

[SHVC]

For someone who hates going to WA, you seem to be quite upset and vocal regarding the border restrictions. For the sake of your health, and possibly your families mental health, let the hate go and enjoy your life.

Im not upset at all with WA border closure. Not one bit, I’m actually happy they’re closed.

[dr dre]

Im not upset at all with WA border closure. Not one bit, I’m actually happy they’re closed.

If you don’t choose to go there then why are you happy they’re closed? It shouldn’t make any difference?

May I ask what the specific reason is you “hate” going there? The people? The city? The weather? The traffic?

btw a reopening date will be announced imminently for a date in just over a month’s time so if your employment requires you to travel to WA looks like your reprieve from being in a place you “hate” won’t last for much longer.

[SHVC]

The sand gropers getting all defensive now. Some parts of WA are really good but PH is a $hit hole. MM will make an announcement about making an announcement to keep stringing you all along.

[dr dre]

Some parts of WA are really good but PH is a $hit hole.

Well that’s your opinion, free to stay in Sydney or Melbourne where it costs both arms and legs to buy a house, and to sit in a traffic jam all day long. Net interstate migration showed a net gain for WA and a larger net loss for NSW and Vic over the last year so the “free market” is deciding where they’d rather live.

MM will make an announcement about making an announcement to keep stringing you all along.

Well that will be made imminently. We can see if it’s a firm date or a “stringing along”.

[nivsy]

The sand gropers getting all defensive now. Some parts of WA are really good but PH is a $hit hole. MM will make an announcement about making an announcement to keep stringing you all along.

To be fair..having left Europe and now live in Perth (married a Perth girl who wanted to come.home after X years in UK), I do agree with some of this sentiment. Perth is not exactly the most exciting place in the world nor forward thinking. That said I long for the borders to open so I can get away more!, That includes though getting out and back into Aussie easily! Not sure if that will ever happen.

[Buster Hyman]

...but PH is a $hit hole.
If that's PHE you're talking about, I'll happily second that!

...free to stay in Sydney or Melbourne where it costs both arms and legs to buy a house, and to sit in a traffic jam all day long.
Yes. That's what happens in popular Cities. People want to be there.

[nivsy]

If that's PHE you're talking about, I'll happily second that!


Yes. That's what happens in popular Cities. People want to be there.
There are many reasons in addition to " want to live there" driven by supply and demand not just popularity. I actually find Perth quite expensive frankly! 🤭

[morno]

For someone who hates going to WA, you seem to be quite upset and vocal regarding the border restrictions. For the sake of your health, and possibly your families mental health, let the hate go and enjoy your life.

I have friends and family that have been adversely affected by that Goose’s border restrictions.

What drives me mad though, is that this bloke is merely using his border restrictions as a cover up for his government’s abysmal healthcare system. If they had to deal with any decent outbreak, it’d fail. And then his policy decisions would become apparent.

So I’m looking forward to the borders opening, just to see McGoose be exposed for the failure he is.

[neville_nobody]

Well that’s your opinion, free to stay in Sydney or Melbourne where it costs both arms and legs to buy a house, and to sit in a traffic jam all day long. Net interstate migration showed a net gain for WA and a larger net loss for NSW and Vic over the last year so the “free market” is deciding where they’d rather live.

How can that be true with a hard border?? All I have read about is businesses complaining there is no staff in WA and they can't import anyone.

[SOPS]

Well … I’m not sure just what the plan is for WA to open up. But as of now, it’s goodbye QLD, you are now locked out of WA from Monday.

[SHVC]

Well that’s your opinion, free to stay in Sydney or Melbourne where it costs both arms and legs to buy a house, and to sit in a traffic jam all day long. Net interstate migration showed a net gain for WA and a larger net loss for NSW and Vic over the last year so the “free market” is deciding where they’d rather live.



Well that will be made imminently. We can see if it’s a firm date or a “stringing along”.

You obviously do not understand what you’re on about by that comment.

[Transition Layer]

As more and more domestic flights will now get cancelled in the lead up to Christmas, just remember that Mark McGowan and his WA Government have been the saviour of aviation in this country! I’m pretty sure I saw his nose lengthen as he said it!

[goodonyamate]

Well … I’m not sure just what the plan is for WA to open up. But as of now, it’s goodbye QLD, you are now locked out of WA from Monday.

love the language..‘locked out’ as if that ****hole is somewhere people would want to go. It’s you that’s locked in, welcome to south west china….you’re all just too blind to see it. Stockholm syndrome alive and well in WA. You can bet the moment McGoose is shown to be the failure he is, he’ll be all over the ‘news’ there blaming the nasty eastern states or the feds because he didn’t spend on the WA health system. He barely gets any airtime outside of WA anymore. Treasonous fool he is.

[SHVC]

How is that announcement coming along! The only announcement made was the border was tightened last night but no mention of opening. WA is in an indefinite lockdown.
What is the plan MM!

[RodH]

People wishing to go to WA for Xmas from Qld are well and truly stuffed like the turkey they were going to have there!
WA's pathetically slow vaccination rate is the root cause of this latest border restrictions and that's largely due to that Political Drongo not encouraging his lemmings to go and get vaccinated asap.
The other States and territories Leaders have done so but not this clown!, well not lately and it's too late to do much good now anyway.
You have well and truly played the role of " Grinch " Mr. Premier and you so called advisors.
We all have to learn to live with Covid and all of it's variants as can't stop it , just live with it like the flu.

[NumptyAussie]

"RodH (javascript:void(0)) , 12th Dec 2021 05:51
People wishing to go to WA for Xmas from Qld are well and truly stuffed like the turkey they were going to have there!
WA's pathetically slow vaccination rate is the root cause of this latest border restrictions and that's largely due to that Political Drongo not encouraging his lemmings to go and get vaccinated asap.
The other States and territories Leaders have done so but not this clown!, well not lately and it's too late to do much good now anyway.
You have well and truly played the role of " Grinch " Mr. Premier and you so called advisors.
We all have to learn to live with Covid and all of it's variants as can't stop it , just live with it like the flu."

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[StudentInDebt]

People wishing to go to WA for Xmas from Qld are well and truly stuffed like the turkey they were going to have there!
WA's pathetically slow vaccination rate is the root cause of this latest border restrictions and that's largely due to that Political Drongo not encouraging his lemmings to go and get vaccinated asap.
The other States and territories Leaders have done so but not this clown!, well not lately and it's too late to do much good now anyway.
You have well and truly played the role of " Grinch " Mr. Premier and you so called advisors.
We all have to learn to live with Covid and all of it's variants as can't stop it , just live with it like the flu.Encouraging? They tried that for months but no-one listened, at least as long as NSW and VIC. Now it’s mandated for pretty much every major sector in the state because they realised without community COVID transmission there are enough muppets here to stop the coverage reaching 80-90%. No-one in WA other than the lunatic fringe of the liberal party is going to support opening borders to deliberately allow 1000+ people to die earlier than they need to, so the borders will remain closed. When I meet people who refuse to get vaccinated and try to explain the consequence of their actions, they are “cool with that”.
Try to bear in mind that the vast majority of West Australians are vaccinated and they also want to see the border restrictions lifted but in a way that does not disrupt the lack transmission suppression measures, ie wait for high vaccination rates.
Short of physically dragging people off the street, I’m not sure how much more “encouragement” politicians can provide. They are taking away people’s livelihoods for not getting vaccinated, something that the Murdoch press and Nine would be decrying as totalitarianism if they hadn’t already used that with their anti-border restriction by-lines.

[Icarus2001]

No-one in WA other than the lunatic fringe of the liberal party is going to support opening borders to deliberately allow 1000+ people to die earlier than they need to, so the borders will remain closed.

So you believe that if MM opened the borders from say Dec 20th to allow Christmas travel then 1000+ people will die in WA?

How did you come to that conclusion? Of the total deaths in Australia of 2072 in the last 22 months, 1390 were in Victoria.


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These are FACTS. This is why it is so hard to have a sensible discussion about COVID rules. So much catastrophising.

If MM did open up the border, there is nothing stopping vulnerable people from self isolating at home is there?

[StudentInDebt]

So you believe that if MM opened the borders from say Dec 20th to allow Christmas travel then 1000+ people will die in WA?

How did you come to that conclusion? Of the total deaths in Australia of 2072 in the last 22 months, 1390 were in Victoria.


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These are FACTS. This is why it is so hard to have a sensible discussion about COVID rules. So much catastrophising.

If MM did open up the border, there is nothing stopping vulnerable people from self isolating at home is there? you’re correct, I was engaging in hyperbole, I apologise.

[43Inches]

The short of it is that population density is the prime driver of this thing and then how communities interact, which in the case of QLD and WA it's really not a big threat. Vic has a more European style of interaction and dense population that converges around the city center, then throw in the communities that have large extended families and large community gatherings for whatever and you have the perfect spreading ground. I would hazard a guess that Melbourne also has a very high amount of older population concentrated in retirement homes which adds to the death rate. I doubt WA would get a massive outbreak even if they did let it rip, but I don't really care what they do, its their turf, their rules. Something for the voters of WA to sort out when the time comes.

[PoppaJo]

Hold the press. If your positive and decide to spread your germs on one of our flights entering this state, then the hold planeload is off into Quarantine for the next fortnight, courtesy of our Anna.

Four flights today have now fallen over. Edit. Now that’s 5. Goodbye Christmas for these poor people.

Domestic confidence is never going to improve. Cannot believe I am still reading Airports being marked as exposure sites requiring quarantine. Every flight and airport is a exposure site now, forever and ever and ever!

[snow dragon]

But I thought everyone was in need of a PCR negative result 72 hrs before travel?
Something is not correct?

[Going Nowhere]

Sounds like a reaction to the cases in Newcastle.

RAAF member flew NTL-BNE-TSV

[morno]

They’ve changed their minds, after businesses basically told them they will ruin everything if everyone who’s on a flight has to quarantine every time someone has covid.

Now only a couple of rows either side, which I think is still ridiculous, but better than the entire aeroplane I guess.

[601]

Sounds like a reaction to the cases in Newcastle.

RAAF member flew NTL-BNE-TSV
Notified in TSV as a close contact of NTL covid case.

[ChrisJ800]

Poor Pat Cummins got caught out. Looks like eating indoors and shaking hands of other restaurant guests are high risk activities still.

[nivsy]

Poor Pat Cummins got caught out. Looks like eating indoors and shaking hands of other restaurant guests are high risk activities still.
Ummmm. I think we all know that....well maybe not all.

[Lead Balloon]

Scotty from Marketing says: "There will be no more lockdowns."

Who knew that Scotty decided whether States or parts of States would lock down? I thought lockdowns were not his responsibility...

[Australopithecus]

Scotty from Marketing says: "There will be no more lockdowns."

Who knew that Scotty decided whether States or parts of States would lock down? I thought lockdowns were not his responsibility...

Always a creep, doubly so when campaigning for re-election.

[PoppaJo]

Might not be lockdowns but travelers appear spooked at the moment, Tasmania are isolating entire plane loads, not one or two rows.

Seen a pretty significant drop off in pax numbers across the last fortnight, more noticeable this week. The commentary around 20-30k cases a day next month won’t help much either.