All borders to reopen.

[Chronic Snoozer]

And I don’t think it was boomers who were bonking the hotel guests in isolation they were meant to be guarding....

Source? Link? Verified fact?

[Icarus2001]

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/08/15/victoria-hotel-quarantine-rumour/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tamarathiessen/2020/07/07/australia-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-hotel-sex-scandal/?sh=a8e6e27131db

https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/health-minister-greg-hunt-blasts-security-guards-who-reportedly-slept-with-quarantined-guests-c-1138896

[rattman]

Source? Link? Verified fact?

No i was lies perpetuated by the media. The initial outbreak last year in victoria was from a family of 4, husband, wife and 2 children, from which the concierge and the sercurity guard caught it. So unless the wife (or husband if that way inclined) was somehow sneaking out of the room unnoticed by the 3 other people in lockdown it complete rubbish

Just as the nurses in northern TAS having a party was complete rubbish

[ozbiggles]

It puzzles me how people who won’t follow Public Health Orders in the middle of a pandemic can be considered fit and proper people to hold a pilots licence? I mean if you can’t follow simple orders in the middle of a global pandemic what other rules and regulations are beneath you? Speeding, drink driving, flying with medication you shouldn’t?

Zanthus, Gupter, JJ, care to contribute? asking for a friend

To Keep on topic how do we expect people to follow the rules to contribute to opening the borders when apparently there are pilots? Out there who won’t follow the same rules?

[Chronic Snoozer]

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/08/15/victoria-hotel-quarantine-rumour/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tamarathiessen/2020/07/07/australia-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-hotel-sex-scandal/?sh=a8e6e27131db

https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/health-minister-greg-hunt-blasts-security-guards-who-reportedly-slept-with-quarantined-guests-c-1138896

Here's the link to the judicial inquiry report. I couldn't determine if any of the allegations reported above were actually proven. I would be reluctant to claim that security guards were 'bonking' guests on that basis.

Victorian Quarantine Inquiry (https://www.quarantineinquiry.vic.gov.au/)

[Chronic Snoozer]

It puzzles me how people who won’t follow Public Health Orders in the middle of a pandemic can be considered fit and proper people to hold a pilots licence? I mean if you can’t follow simple orders in the middle of a global pandemic what other rules and regulations are beneath you? Speeding, drink driving, flying with medication you shouldn’t?

Zanthus, Gupter, JJ, care to contribute? asking for a friend

To Keep on topic how do we expect people to follow the rules to contribute to opening the borders when apparently there are pilots? Out there who won’t follow the same rules?

Agreed. You don't have to like the rules, you just have to follow them.

[DirectAnywhere]

My tolerance for this stupidity reached zero some time ago.

I refuse to quarantine, social distance use a mask or use the tracking apps in ANY state.

Life goes on. Stuff the Govt’s and their Nazi gestapo police.

The reason ‘life goes on’ is because the vast bulk of people are at least trying to do the right thing. You should be grateful for those that are as you are relying on their compliance. It’s the same as anti vaxxers relying on herd immunity to keep their kids safe if you like - so that they can still go on with life. What arrogance.

[Ladloy]

Today I learned that a bit of cloth over your face in the supermarket is considered the same as the government committing war crimes.

[Roj approved]

The spread of Covid19 is based on two factors:

1. How Dense the population is
2. How Dense the population is

or

The longer we don't comply with Social Distancing, the longer we are going to have to do it!

or, a little more light hearted,

Is Covid 19 serious?

The Churches and Casino's are closed, when Heaven and Hell agree, it's probably better to stay at home.

[dr dre]

It puzzles me how people who won’t follow Public Health Orders in the middle of a pandemic can be considered fit and proper people to hold a pilots licence? I mean if you can’t follow simple orders in the middle of a global pandemic what other rules and regulations are beneath you? Speeding, drink driving, flying with medication you shouldn’t?

Zanthus, Gupter, JJ, care to contribute? asking for a friend

To Keep on topic how do we expect people to follow the rules to contribute to opening the borders when apparently there are pilots? Out there who won’t follow the same rules?

I suspect a lot of these “I refuse to wear a mask“ posters are just keyboard warriors.

It is obvious if they are employed flying aeroplanes in Australian terminals they have to wear a mask, so those who say they are refusers are not employed as Australian airline pilots or are lying.

[Foxxster]

Here's the link to the judicial inquiry report. I couldn't determine if any of the allegations reported above were actually proven. I would be reluctant to claim that security guards were 'bonking' guests on that basis.

Victorian Quarantine Inquiry (https://www.quarantineinquiry.vic.gov.au/)

I would be even more reluctant to rely on anything in that disgraceful sham of a report. Good old Sergeant Shultz defence. Seems to have fooled the Andrews army of idiots but no one else.

Can I turn to a different topic, Premier, although at the same time it is also returning to a topic we have already discussed, which is a decision about private security. You may be aware that the Board has heard from multiple witnesses about the fact that private security became and were the first line of enforcement. And that there's considerable disagreement amongst those various witnesses about when and by whom that decision was made. Are you familiar in general terms with the nature of the evidence that the Board has received?

A. Yes, Ms Ellyard, I am.
Q. And the evidence is to the effect that no one is claiming ownership of the
decision, even though no one seems to have spoken against it at the time and no one 5 who might have been the decision maker seems to suggest that if it had been them, it would have been a bad decision. There's just no one who says it was them. Are you
aware of that?
A. I am.
Q. Do you know who it was?
A. No, I don't. That's the nature of the decision I made. That's why I set up this
Board of Inquiry or recommended to the Governor to set up this Board of Inquiry, to 15 get exactly that answer and quite a few others, Ms Ellyard.

[Chronic Snoozer]

I would be even more reluctant to rely on anything in that disgraceful sham of a report. Good old Sergeant Shultz defence. Seems to have fooled the Andrews army of idiots but no one else.

Can I turn to a different topic, Premier, although at the same time it is also returning to a topic we have already discussed, which is a decision about private security. You may be aware that the Board has heard from multiple witnesses about the fact that private security became and were the first line of enforcement. And that there's considerable disagreement amongst those various witnesses about when and by whom that decision was made. Are you familiar in general terms with the nature of the evidence that the Board has received?

A. Yes, Ms Ellyard, I am.
Q. And the evidence is to the effect that no one is claiming ownership of the
decision, even though no one seems to have spoken against it at the time and no one 5 who might have been the decision maker seems to suggest that if it had been them, it would have been a bad decision. There's just no one who says it was them. Are you
aware of that?
A. I am.
Q. Do you know who it was?
A. No, I don't. That's the nature of the decision I made. That's why I set up this
Board of Inquiry or recommended to the Governor to set up this Board of Inquiry, to 15 get exactly that answer and quite a few others, Ms Ellyard.

I don't see what that has to do with your claim nor the media reports of guards 'bonking' guests. In the absence of evidence, it may be said that the claim is questionable at best and can safely be ignored. Unfortunately, many of the discussions here and on the web pivot around disputed events such as this and only serve to elevate the emotion and demote the facts to merely a footnote.

[Foxxster]

I don't see what that has to do with your claim nor the media reports of guards 'bonking' guests. In the absence of evidence, it may be said that the claim is questionable at best and can safely be ignored. Unfortunately, many of the discussions here and on the web pivot around disputed events such as this and only serve to elevate the emotion and demote the facts to merely a footnote.

well you were supplied with links. Perhaps the person claiming it is the boomers who are the main group not complying with covid regulations and restrictions should supply evidence . After all that was what I was responding to with the bonking comment, it has also been noticed that the other part of my post was conveniently ignored.


and it has everything to do with it as the report was a sham. It was provided as evidence to refute ... so

[nomorecatering]

Unless you wear masks properly and change them at a maximum of every 2 hrs - whilst having sterilised hands etc, masks do nothing but collect bacteria and other nasties.
Consider the average face mask, sits in the car for a week, spends another week in jeans pocket, gets put on face, gets taken off face by contaminated hand, goes back in pocket, repeat this 50 times. Add the time the mask sits on the floor, licked by the dog etc etc.

A friend of mine who is a microbiologist had one of these masks tested in a lab. To put it bluntly, it was like licking a public bathroom floor.

[ozbiggles]

No more, in a way you have the answer to the problem in your own statement regarding Masks.

[blubak]

The reason ‘life goes on’ is because the vast bulk of people are at least trying to do the right thing. You should be grateful for those that are as you are relying on their compliance. It’s the same as anti vaxxers relying on herd immunity to keep their kids safe if you like - so that they can still go on with life. What arrogance.
Yes,the vast majority do the right thing & that is why we are enjoying life in a somewhat normal scenario whilst on the other hand people in some european countries think they know better & just do what suits them hence the massive number of new cases & deaths every day.
Many will complain about closed borders etc but i know right now where i would rather be.

[SHVC]

So, Meningococcal case that resulted in a death in SA. Let’s see if the lockdowns and border closure happens. The contact the tracing has begun.

[Guptar]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/262x209/onslow_0259f037361b99f606f181482ac09e48c3f07edf.jpg
I am worried the COVID Vaccine will be bad for me elff.
Says it all hey!

[Bend alot]

Unless you wear masks properly and change them at a maximum of every 2 hrs - whilst having sterilised hands etc, masks do nothing but collect bacteria and other nasties.
Consider the average face mask, sits in the car for a week, spends another week in jeans pocket, gets put on face, gets taken off face by contaminated hand, goes back in pocket, repeat this 50 times. Add the time the mask sits on the floor, licked by the dog etc etc.

A friend of mine who is a microbiologist had one of these masks tested in a lab. To put it bluntly, it was like licking a public bathroom floor.


Never seen a mask used/stored like that.

But is similar to how a headset is treated.

[jrfsp]

Looks like all the other states are closely watching the situation in QLD, at least for now its all "hotspot" location based. The worry with this case the current unknown source.

[DirectAnywhere]

Looks like all the other states are closely watching the situation in QLD, at least for now its all "hotspot" location based. The worry with this case the current unknown source.

It’s now been genomically linked to the Princess Alexandra hospital cluster meaning there have been unknown positive/s in the community for about two weeks. 🤦‍♂️

[goodonyamate]

It’s now been genomically linked to the Princess Alexandra hospital cluster meaning there have been unknown positive/s in the community for about two weeks. 🤦‍♂️

which we all knew, except the dumbasses who voted Anastasia back in for ‘keeping them safe’.


watching QLD from afar was truly astounding.

[Keg]

Victoria now requiring all arrivals from Moreton Bay/ Brisbane since 12 March to get tested and isolate until negative result.

NSW have said only those who have visited hotspots are required to get tested and isolate.

[DirectAnywhere]

I can’t understand the QLD CHO telling everyone today to get out there and enjoy the weekend. Even before the genomics were available, she knew that this case was a landscaper, not a quarantine or health worker. It was self evident he had to have caught it from someone else in the community. Today’s Friday. He became symptomatic on Monday, meaning he probably caught it as early as mid last week meaning she had unknown community transmission perhaps 10 days ago.

Given what we know now you would have to expect every state is going to want any arrival from Brisbane since the start of the Princess Alexandra cluster (two weeks plus ago) to isolate and be tested.

You would also have to expect at least WA, TAS and VIC to bring down the shutters in the next day or two. This latest outbreak (I know it’s only one case but there is at least one other out there who was clearly contagious) has got a two week head start on health authorities.

It’s another outbreak, just before the start of school holidays and peak travel period. Again. This has the potential to cause real harm for QLD tourism operators over Easter, and this time it’s without the Jobkeeper security blanket. Hopefully it’s contained.

[Dannyboy39]

So St Jacinda has been rowing back on the Aus-NZ travel bubble in the near future... I mean, wtf is going on at the moment. There is as much sanity in the two countries as there is Covid - absolutely none.

Meanwhile this came across my desk this morning:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-9405601/Englands-travelling-fans-face-BAN-Ashes-series-Covid-travel-restrictions-Australia.html

Am I wrong to say, stop taking photo ops and get on with bloody jabbing people. The two countries have had a great pandemic, but seem to be crawling along in the vaccine programme. To say it isn't a race is just stupid.

[SHVC]

Well, just like WA the election has been won. 1 month a go WA would have closed their border already within minutes of hearing QLD news. All those gullible voters thinking these premiers were keeping them "safe" haha its to funny.

[blubak]

which we all knew, except the dumbasses who voted Anastasia back in for ‘keeping them safe’.


watching QLD from afar was truly astounding.
Does anyone know the testing figures for Qld last couple of weeks? As far as the health minister telling people to go & enjoy the weekend,well he is obviously as brain dead as their last idiot health minister,think miles was his name.
Queen P may well be about to have to eat her words about keeping queenslanders safe.

[C441]

...As far as the health minister telling people to go & enjoy the weekend,well he is obviously as brain dead as their last idiot health minister,think miles was his name…...
For the sake of accuracy when calling out people…..
It was the Chief Medical Officer and the Premier who extolled the population to enjoy the weekend….carefully. The Health minister was largely unheard and unsighted and last time I looked she was a she, not a he.

As for the hypocrisy of what was said now versus pre-election; I'm astounded we aren't in at least a 72 hour lockdown to keep us safe! :rolleyes:

[Chris2303]

So St Jacinda has been rowing back on the Aus-NZ travel bubble in the near future... I mean, wtf is going on at the moment. There is as much sanity in the two countries as there is Covid - absolutely none.

Meanwhile this came across my desk this morning:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-9405601/Englands-travelling-fans-face-BAN-Ashes-series-Covid-travel-restrictions-Australia.html

Am I wrong to say, stop taking photo ops and get on with bloody jabbing people. The two countries have had a great pandemic, but seem to be crawling along in the vaccine programme. To say it isn't a race is just stupid.

It's because we want to retaliate against the 501 deportations by not allowing any Australians into Godzone at all

[Keg]

As for the hypocrisy of what was said now versus pre-election; I'm astounded we aren't in at least a 72 hour lockdown to keep us safe! :rolleyes:

Given the justification for the last snap lockdown was a UK strain in the community for a number of days, certainly this example seems to meet those same criteria.

[WhisprSYD]

Given the justification for the last snap lockdown was a UK strain in the community for a number of days, certainly this example seems to meet those same criteria.

this March UK strain is nowhere near as wicked as the February UK strain that hit Melbourne.. that one moved at an extreme velocity and was a ferociously naughty virus.

[Buster Hyman]

this March UK strain is nowhere near as wicked as the February UK strain that hit Melbourne.. that one moved at an extreme velocity and was a ferociously naughty virus.
Is that the latest 'Newspeak' from the Chairman? Nothing to do with Hotel Quarantine failures, just a "ferociously naughty virus"....wow. :rolleyes:

[jrfsp]

Great : "A Brisbane man who tested positive to coronavirus held a party for 25 people at his home after being instructed to isolate while he waited his test results."
rty for 25 people at his home after being instructed to isolate while he waited his test results.

[SOPS]

Great : "A Brisbane man who tested positive to coronavirus held a party for 25 people at his home after being instructed to isolate while he waited his test results."
rty for 25 people at his
j to isolate while he waited his test results.
Just perfect!!! I can hear the borders closing now!

[SOPS]

Watching the 5pm news in Perth. The Health Minister has just said.. if you go to QLD, you are taking a big risk. The implication was.. the border could shut at any minute.

[SOPS]

Breaking news at 6pm. WA border now shut to QLD. Anyone arriving from 6pm, 14 days HQ at ( I think), own expense.

[Icarus2001]

Settle down there big G.

HOME quarantine only until negative test result arrives.

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/covid-19-coronavirus

[dr dre]

Settle down there big G.

HOME quarantine only until negative test result arrives.

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/covid-19-coronavirus

Nup,

Changed several minutes ago

Now low risk - all arrivals from Qld must isolate for 14 days, whether you were in a hotspot or not

Can probably thank the dude who had the house party whilst waiting for a Covid test result for that one......

[Icarus2001]

Not in the government website

Not hotel quarantine?

Do you have a link ?

[dr dre]

The FB page of the WA Premier if you have access

Changed 15 minutes ago

[SOPS]

Was just about to say.. the situation is changing fast .

[wheels_down]

Well those currently on JQ978 CNS-PER will be in for a rude shock on arrival.

[SOPS]

Not in the government website

Not hotel quarantine?

Do you have a link ?

The Government web site has not been updated. The Premier’s FB page has announced it, and was just confirmed again on a Seven News update. WA is shut to QLD.

[Icarus2001]

I do so love a government that communicates their policy on. FB page but not on their own website.
Amateurs.

My point was NO hotel quarantine which is still correct.

[StudentInDebt]

I do so love a government that communicates their policy on. FB page but not on their own website.
Amateurs.

My point was NO hotel quarantine which is still correct.This might help those without Facebook
https://www.wa.gov.au/government/announcements/wa-border-controls-strengthened-queensland

[blubak]

Great : "A Brisbane man who tested positive to coronavirus held a party for 25 people at his home after being instructed to isolate while he waited his test results."
rty for 25 people at his home after being instructed to isolate while he waited his test results.
So here we go again! Maybe it just wasnt made clear to him that he must isolate or maybe he was confused or maybe he didnt understand english very well or maybe he asked many times if he could hold a party & was told he could!
Im thinking he should run to the media now & demand a public apology from the government.
What he needs is a massive fine & be made front up publicly & apologise to all who are about to have their easter f....d due to his selfish actions.

[Foxxster]

So here we go again! Maybe it just wasnt made clear to him that he must isolate or maybe he was confused or maybe he didnt understand english very well or maybe he asked many times if he could hold a party & was told he could!
Im thinking he should run to the media now & demand a public apology from the government.
What he needs is a massive fine & be made front up publicly & apologise to all who are about to have their easter f....d due to his selfish actions.


given the economic cost will be measured in the tens of millions being conservative, plus the inconvenience to tens of thousands of people, I would be making him a guest of her majesty for a decade or so plus confiscate all his assets.

[brokenagain]

Lucky he’s not an African female or his name and face would have been splashed across the front page of the Courier Mail already this morning.

[LapSap]

given the economic cost will be measured in the tens of millions being conservative, plus the inconvenience to tens of thousands of people, I would be making him a guest of her majesty for a decade or so plus confiscate all his assets.

Totally agree but in all likelihood will get hit with a wet feather like most of the others who blatantly thumbed their noses at the law. Case in point the 2 Kenyan women who got 80 hours
of community service this week. Pffft- not sure what useful task they’d be given to perform requiring supervision- may as well do it yourself. They must be laughing all the way to the nearest LV store.

[Icarus2001]

There was no party of twenty five people at his house, there were FIVE people.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-28/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-queensland-brisbane/100033302

Amazed that our all knowing media got it wrong.

The media simply want to stir up dissent and anger, look at the responses above.

[turbantime]

25 people at a party narrative was actually put out by QLD health. What’s worse is that they said they were able to quarantine all 25. QLD health really are a bunch of amateurs. Why would you not double check your information before putting out such an inflammatory update? Then on top of that, indicate that they’re so amazing by being able to track down all 25.
In the end, 5 people at the house and 4 of them were housemates.

[Foxxster]

25 people at a party narrative was actually put out by QLD health. What’s worse is that they said they were able to quarantine all 25. QLD health really are a bunch of amateurs. Why would you not double check your information before putting out such an inflammatory update? Then on top of that, indicate that they’re so amazing by being able to track down all 25.
In the end, 5 people at the house and 4 of them were housemates.

yes I heard that too after posting my other comment, which I will stand by as a general principle.

doesn’t give you a lot of faith in Qld health after over a year of dealing with this WuHu flu.

[Dannyboy39]

Well those currently on JQ978 CNS-PER will be in for a rude shock on arrival.
Despite being 1000 bloody miles away.
Its like me in London being quarantined for 3 cases in Madrid.

[Fuel-Off]

Took me and my crew on arrival into Melbourne 4 hours to be processed as an international arrival last week. Despite ALL crew being vaccinated (with vaccines approved by the TGA) we're still required to be tested and handed detention notices to be locked up in hotel rooms for the period of our layover. Even countries with similar covid profiles like Thailand and Singapore don't require the comically over the top protocols that Australia seems to have put on itself.

It was embarrassing to say the least.

Fuel-Off :ok:

[Chronic Snoozer]

Despite being 1000 bloody miles away.
Its like me in London being quarantined for 3 cases in Madrid.

Yes it would be good if the WA government would indulge us and provide the risk assessments that lead to these stringent rules. Queensland is a big state, everybody can't suddenly become low or medium risk overnight without good reason and meticulous assessment of the probability of community transmission. They're using a steamroller to flatten a milk carton. It's a small mercy the government is at least consistent, they were doing this before the election.

[Angle of Attack]

Did a SYD return out of BNE today, needed to fill in a 6 page border declaration form to be let off the aerobridge to walk next door and get on the next plane back to BNE on a 40 min turnaround, got a nice blue sticker stuck on me to prove I had been assessed by NSW health for the 2 mins I was in the terminal. This crap is worse than the peak of the COVID last year, WTF is going on with these idiots?

[ozbiggles]

Isn’t it ironic.
Some pilots on here winging about how strict the regulations are...and then complaining how they should be above them. Can’t put 2 and 2 together. I wonder if the stable approach criteria applies to them or if they are above that too?

[Troo believer]

Isn’t it ironic.
Some pilots on here winging about how strict the regulations are...and then complaining how they should be above them. Can’t put 2 and 2 together. I wonder if the stable approach criteria applies to them or if they are above that too?
Some pylots can even spell. Others can’t. Keep winging it mate. Whinging is not your strong point.

[Derfred]

Did a SYD return out of BNE today, needed to fill in a 6 page border declaration form to be let off the aerobridge to walk next door and get on the next plane back to BNE on a 40 min turnaround, got a nice blue sticker stuck on me to prove I had been assessed by NSW health for the 2 mins I was in the terminal. This crap is worse than the peak of the COVID last year, WTF is going on with these idiots?

Hang on, everyone keeps saying NSW is the only Cool State.

All the other states are led by morons, true?

Is NSW not Cool anymore?

[dr dre]

Hang on, everyone keeps saying NSW is the only Cool State.

All the other states are led by morons, true?

Is NSW not Cool anymore?

All states are not cool now. Lucky we have such good leadership at the federal level to set a good example and get them all on the right track :yuk:

Like how today Health Minister Hunt announced 500,000 vaccinations (https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-greg-hunt-mp/media/over-500000-australians-vaccinated-against-covid-19) have been completed. Great achievement guys, only a shame about this little prediction:

Four million Australians to be vaccinated for coronavirus by end of March - Morrison (January 7th) (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-vaccine-update-four-million-australians-by-end-march-scott-morrison/45f2fdba-66ca-4ea5-bea9-b0356c0b9e4c)

The only way this is ending is with an appropriate level of immunisation. The longer that takes the longer this goes on.....

[galdian]

Hang on, everyone keeps saying NSW is the only Cool State.

All the other states are led by morons, true?

Is NSW not Cool anymore?

Well anyone who thinks for a moment that anyone (or any one state) gets everything right every single time is a moron who's lived an incredibly sheltered and unobservant life.

Compared with "hide under the bedclothes" McGowan, "I saved you so you must vote for me" queen P and "lets kill some 800+ people whilst looking after our mates" Chairman Dan NSW has been pretty well balanced in their approach IMHO.

Not perfect - but little is - however miles ahead of the other clowns.

[ozbiggles]

Thanks for the spelling correction Troo. You should see how bad I am with numbers. Like when I wrote 25 instead of 5 last week at work.

[Fonz121]

QLD lockdown for three days. Schools closed. 4 cases. Anna just recommended other states declare Brisbane a hotspot.

Ridiculous.

[brokenagain]

Queenslanders voted in a clown, and they’re surprised their getting a circus?

Very ‘convenient’ too, coming the day after JobKeeper ends. :hmm:

[ScepticalOptomist]

Queenslanders voted in a clown, and they’re surprised their getting a circus?

Not all Queenslanders voted for her!

[galdian]

Not all Queenslanders voted for her!

Well enough did so she has an absolute majority to do absolutely anything and to continue her magnificent leadership absolutely.

For another 3.5 years.

Be intersting to see what state the State is in when she's finished with it. :ugh:

[DanV2]

QLD lockdown for three days. Schools closed. 4 cases. Anna just recommended other states declare Brisbane a hotspot.

Ridiculous.

Just 'Greater Brisbane' in lockdown. Not the whole of Qld.

Most other states (bar) NSW have some form of border restrictions on 'Greater brisbane' already, expect some of those states to step that up to 'mandatory hotel quarantine' at own expense shorty.

Edit: Also masks mandatory at public indoor venues across the whole of Qld.

[DirectAnywhere]

QLD lockdown for three days. Schools closed. 4 cases. Anna just recommended other states declare Brisbane a hotspot.

Ridiculous.

The problem they've got now:

- Four new community cases today, two are currently unlinked to the previous positive individuals.
- The brother of the first positive last week was unknowingly infectious in the community for up to two weeks.
- Two of today's positives travelled to Byron while infectious.
- One of today's positives travelled to Gladstone while infectious.

QLD health KNEW last Friday that they had unknown community transmission going on. It was later confirmed genomically that it was linked to the cluster from two weeks prior, meaning it had potentially been going on for that period. This was always a far riskier situation than a single positive cleaner being out in the community, which led to the previous lockdown. God only knows why, when the risk was clearly higher, there was no lockdown last week and masks weren't mandated until today.

It’s also amazing how we’ve gone from being ‘very comfortable’ on the weekend to the now standard ‘this is highly transmissable, tricky virus etc.’.

You’d also have to question the timing of the lockdown. Done by Thursday, all set for the Easter weekend. Sorry Anastasia. The damage is done to QLD tourism for these holidays - again.

[blubak]

The problem they've got now:

- Four new community cases today, two are currently unlinked to the previous positive individuals.
- The brother of the first positive last week was unknowingly infectious in the community for up to two weeks.
- Two of today's positives travelled to Byron while infectious.
- One of today's positives travelled to Gladstone while infectious.

QLD health KNEW last Friday that they had unknown community transmission going on. It was confirmed genomically that it was linked to the cluster from two weeks prior, meaning it had potentially been going on for that period. This was always a far riskier situation than a single positive cleaner being out in the community, which led to the previous lockdown. God only knows, when the risk was clearly higher, that there was no lockdown last week and masks weren't mandated until today.

It’s also amazing how we’ve gone from being ‘very comfortable’ on the weekend to the now standard ‘this is highly transmissable, tricky virus etc.’.

You’d also have to question the timing of the lockdown. Done by Thursday, all set for the Easter weekend. Sorry Anastasia. The damage is done to QLD tourism for these holidays - again.
If they had called it on friday when indeed they had many of the facts they have today we may well not be in this mess.
They have blatantly let it get a head start on them whilst once again screwing tourism,wonder if she is still keeping queenslanders safe!

[DirectAnywhere]

I suspect that come Thursday Anastasia will get a tough lesson in leadership.

It’s easy to ‘slam the borders closed’ and say that ‘Queensland hospitals are for Queenslanders’ when all you’re doing is keeping those nasty Southerners out. It’s going to be a lot harder to tell people that Easter won’t be happening and to look your tourism operators in the eye when it’s your own government’s failure.

It’s also fascinating to note the change of language. When things are going well it’s always first person singular, ‘I’m very comfortable.’ When things are going badly, third person singular, ‘ooohhh....it’s a tricky virus.’ In short, I’ve done a great job vs. it’s not my fault.

[jrfsp]

If there is any community transmission in Byron, then that will be another state and another prime easter holiday spot that will cop it

[minigundiplomat]

Queen P thinks Queensland ends at Tin Can Bay anyway - more flights SYD-CNS, MEL-CNS, ADL-CNS for Easter and the small part of the state she gives a sh1t about can cop it.

[jrfsp]

Queen P thinks Queensland ends at Tin Can Bay anyway - more flights SYD-CNS, MEL-CNS, ADL-CNS for Easter and the small part of the state she gives a sh1t about can cop it.

Maybe SYD-CNS, but no-one from other states will have confidence to cross the border...just now SA has closed to the whole of QLD, more will follow suit

[PoppaJo]

Cairns needs to be kept in its own bubble as such. Isolate it from the rest of the state. The tourism from Sydney and Melbourne is huge for the next 3 weeks. Keep the confidence going in this region.

I don’t think 3 days will be 3 days.

[Foxxster]

Just 'Greater Brisbane' in lockdown. Not the whole of Qld.

Most other states (bar) NSW have some form of border restrictions on 'Greater brisbane' already, expect some of those states to step that up to 'mandatory hotel quarantine' at own expense shorty.

Edit: Also masks mandatory at public indoor venues across the whole of Qld.

Except this ‘lockdown’ like the previous one is just bloody stupid. It doesn’t come into effect until 5 this afternoon. So what do you think people are doing from the time in was announced until 5... yep leaving Brisbane for the Gold Coast, the Sunshine Coast, for NSW. Potentially spreading it far and wide.

[jrfsp]

This is where the airlines need to have flexibility in their bookings, QF for example, free date changes only, if there was free change to destination, people from SYD / MEL might change their holiday to Byron, Darwin, somewhere other than QLD. With a free date change, people will just put it off for a 6 months or cancel and stay at home or do a road trip instead.

[SOPS]

WA has just closed the border to QLD. No 14 day Q. Unless exempt ( and it’s a very short list), people from QLD can no longer enter WA.

[Foxxster]

WA has just closed the border to QLD. No 14 day Q. Unless exempt ( and it’s a very short list), people from QLD can no longer enter WA.

so presumably, or more correctly, obviously anyone from WA who was planning to visit Qld anytime soon will not be. But then I imagine that is the same for anyone.

[minigundiplomat]

Its a real sh1t show in Cairns - masks on, masks off, masks on, masks off..... wheel of fortune seems to have stopped on masks on.

[neville_nobody]

Its a real sh1t show in Cairns - masks on, masks off, masks on, masks off..... wheel of fortune seems to have stopped on masks on.

Cairns is about to have bigger problems than who is wearing a mask.

[SOPS]

NT starting to close to parts of QLD ( Q on arrival from Hot Spots). Easter is not looking good.

[SHVC]

Will Queen P be expecting the federal government to issue handouts to business that will lose income this school holidays? This will go on more than 3 days. NSW have already called 1400 ppl in Byron instructing them to isolate.

[jrfsp]

Couldn't be worse timing, the wider issue is further erosion of confidence in forward bookings. Yields are already P!@S poor, sales do not provide confidence in booking, people need flexibility in ticket conditions

[blubak]

WA has just closed the border to QLD. No 14 day Q. Unless exempt ( and it’s a very short list), people from QLD can no longer enter WA.
Is it all of QLD the border is closed to or just the Brisbane area?
I heard Vic has made Brisbane a 'RED' area from 6pm today so the loads will be very light on bne-mel flights once 6pm kicks in.THANKS AGAIN QUEEN P.

[4EvahLearning]

Is it all of QLD the border is closed to or just the Brisbane area?
I heard Vic has made Brisbane a 'RED' area from 6pm today so the loads will be very light on bne-mel flights once 6pm kicks in.THANKS AGAIN QUEEN P.

In WA it is closed to all of Qld. I'm in WA and I think it's ridiculous. We should follow the other states who don't exclude every person from one state at the drop of a sneeze.

[C441]

It doesn’t come into effect until 5 this afternoon. So what do you think people are doing from the time in was announced until 5... yep leaving Brisbane for the Gold Coast, the Sunshine Coast, for NSW.
30 mins after lockdown commenced and I'm glad I'm not going down the Gold Coast.
Local traffic reports describing it as an 80km carpark! :eek:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/902x1246/5_30_traffic_661cfc46d90ed457f05c8420782e9adc098b5f0e.png
Not so bad north of the map, surprisingly.

[jrfsp]

Wouldnt be surprised if Byron becomes the next "hotspot"

[Fonz121]

Not so bad north of the map, surprisingly.

I was just at the airport DFO and going north was worse than a long weekend Friday afternoon. All lock down achieves is getting everyone crowded into supermarkets together and a mass exodus to spread potential cases far and wide.

They need to work on their marketing. Instead of calling it a lockdown, just mandate masks. It’s essentially the only difference anyway.

[compressor stall]

Wouldnt be surprised if Byron becomes the next "hotspot"
I'd have thought the vaccine rollout would be in full swing there. :oh:

[Icarus2001]

They need to work on their marketing. Instead of calling it a lockdown, just mandate masks. It’s essentially the only difference anyway.


Oh yes, the only difference...

Except for not going to work unless essential, bars closed, cafes and restaurants take away only. No visits to friends. Cinemas closed. Gyms? Schools closed. Essential shopping only.

Just the same...:rolleyes:

[morno]

The stupid thing is all those people leaving Brisy, the lockdown rules still apply no matter where they are :ugh:

[LapSap]

The stupid thing is all those people leaving Brisy, the lockdown rules still apply no matter where they are :ugh:

You think anybody is keeping track of those who have holiday places on the Sunny Coast etc where they raced off to this arvo?? Think they’re going to fess up??
it’s a joke.

[morno]

You think anybody is keeping track of those who have holiday places on the Sunny Coast etc where they raced off to this arvo?? Think they’re going to fess up??
it’s a joke.

Of course not, but remember the old saying, when it all goes wrong.....

[Fonz121]

Oh yes, the only difference...

Except for not going to work unless essential, bars closed, cafes and restaurants take away only. No visits to friends. Cinemas closed. Gyms? Schools closed. Essential shopping only.

Just the same...https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies2/icon_rolleyes.gif

Tomorrow I can wake up and take my kids to daycare and school (my wage is as essential as the politicians). Afterwards I can go to my local coffee joint and grab a coffee. Then I might head to Target, because why not, it’s open. Then I’ll go to the farmers markets to grab a few things for the friends we’re having over for dinner. Might chuck a Bunnings visit in there as well.

No, that’s not what I’m actually going to do, but please tell me more about how having the city flee to other regions to escape the lockdown in a panic is a better result than simply mandating masks. I’ll be going about my normal life tomorrow with the addition of a mask.

“Essential” is a joke of a definition. Everyone will justify everything and no one will question it. Westfield Chermside will be open ffs. So why panic everyone with a “lock down” when you can achieve similar outcomes with less alarming language and measures.

[JJ 789]

The term "lockdown" is a bit of a joke. I mean, the two lockdowns we've had here in Perth, myself and people I know didn't really go about our lives any differently... Apart from not being able to dine in a restaurant or go to a pub, I didn't restrict my movement at all and continued to visit family and friends, go for a browse at the shops, head to the beach.. nothing really that different. That's why I laugh when I hear that word.
Also, I wonder how many of this new cluster are seriously ill in Queensland?

[Fonz121]

Also, I wonder how many of this new cluster are seriously ill in Queensland?

None apparently.

[Ladloy]

If only we weren't 3.5m vaccinations behind schedule.

[halfmoon]

The future of this country will be random lockdowns, border closures with fear and scare tactics from the politicians forcing vaccinations. It's already been said by Queeny on national news.

[dr dre]

The future of this country will be random lockdowns, border closures with fear and scare tactics from the politicians forcing vaccinations.

Politicians “forcing” vaccinations?? In my opinion they haven’t been forceful enough, from day one of the rollout all quarantine workers and healthcare coming into into contact with returned Covid cases should’ve been told “get a vaccine within 2 weeks, or find a new job”.

[Tubman601]

The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it. So even after being vaccinated people will still get it and the lockdowns will continue much to the glee of the pollies who are keeping us safe.... thank goodness for that.

[Ascend Charlie]

Palachook loves all this. Those nasty Liberal bullies can't tell HER what to do!

[dr dre]

The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it. So even after being vaccinated people will still get it and the lockdowns will continue much to the glee of the pollies who are keeping us safe.... thank goodness for that.

Stopping severe illness is the point.

The rollout has barely started. The vaccinated numbers at this point in time are only 12% of where the federal government predicted they would be by now. As seen not even those who are coming into contact with Covid cases have all been fully vaccinated.

As far as wider ranging immunity goes that will take longer. At least until the critical populations in 1B and 2A are fully vaccinated. Local production is only just starting, and you need two shots dispersed by 3 months. So expect a similar reaction til around August/September.

International travel won’t resume until basic herd immunity is reached. Previously this was thought to be around 70%, in Israel however they’re seeing that maybe 55% is enough.

Yes the vaccine is a game changer, but it has to be injected into people to work. The effectiveness of vaccines sitting in storage containers is 0%. It won’t be too much higher if plenty of critical groups continue to be allowed to choose not to be vaccinated too.

[LapSap]

Politicians “forcing” vaccinations?? In my opinion they haven’t been forceful enough, from day one of the rollout all quarantine workers and healthcare coming into into contact with returned Covid cases should’ve been told “get a vaccine within 2 weeks, or find a new job”.

I can’t believe there doesn’t seem to have been a structured program to actively pursue and arrange vaccinations for medical staff as a top priority! The number of times I’ve heard them say the doctor/nurse/health worker had not been vaccinated yet astounds me.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why weren’t these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I can’t see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once I’ll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.

[cynphil]

I think the problem is the supply of the vaccine not the reluctance of the medical profession to not get it! So maybe the real problem lies with the Federal Government!!

[Chronic Snoozer]

I can’t believe there doesn’t seem to have been a structured program to actively pursue and arrange vaccinations for medical staff as a top priority! The number of times I’ve heard them say the doctor/nurse/health worker had not been vaccinated yet astounds me.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why weren’t these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I can’t see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once I’ll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.

Ask Chris Hemsworth to get a jab for a promo shoot. That'll motivate a few more people perhaps. Even Thor needs the vaccine. Mind you he lives in Byron.......

[LapSap]

Which is why I said stop wasting even a single dose on those photo-opportunistic politicians ... of all pursuasions. (Replying to cynphil)

[faction]

The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it.

A new study by the CDC shows that a single dose provides an 80% reduction in the risk of infection, not just illness. The second dose improves that again.

"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status; vaccine effectiveness of partial immunization (≥14 days after first dose but before second dose) was 80%."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm

[blubak]

I can’t believe there doesn’t seem to have been a structured program to actively pursue and arrange vaccinations for medical staff as a top priority! The number of times I’ve heard them say the doctor/nurse/health worker had not been vaccinated yet astounds me.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why weren’t these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I can’t see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once I’ll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.
Ah yes the photo opportunities,applauding each other,smiling for each other & back slapping their high flying party supporters meanwhile they have absolutely no idea how to roll out a vaccination schedule.
How good was he making himself look with his now useless 1/2 price airfare stunt,his salary wont get affected,thats for sure.

[Chronic Snoozer]

Meanwhile......

new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists)

Same time next year?

[LapSap]

Meanwhile......

new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists)

Same time next year?

I’m starting to doubt I’ll be receiving the first dose this year!

[jrfsp]

Meanwhile......

new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists)

Same time next year?

This is why I cant see the intl border opening this year, too many new variants with unknown vaccine effectiveness - particularly Brazilian and South African variants

[ScepticalOptomist]

Meanwhile......

new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists)

Same time next year?

Lots of “could”s and fluffy language in that article.. I wouldn’t be too concerned considering the source!

[Buttscratcher]

You do know that any headline with the generic word Scientists in it is going to be bull****, right?

[minigundiplomat]

Stopping severe illness is the point.

Yep lets get that 99.1% survival rate up to 99.2%

[jrfsp]

Yep lets get that 99.1% survival rate up to 99.2%

In a study published in July 2020, Italian researchers followed 147 patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and found that 87% still had symptoms 60 days (https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2020.12603) after they were discharged from the hospital. A more recent study, published in January, found that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Wuhan, China, were still experiencing symptoms six months after first getting sick (https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)32656-8).

[ScepticalOptomist]

In a study published in July 2020, Italian researchers followed 147 patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and found that 87% still had symptoms 60 days (https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2020.12603) after they were discharged from the hospital. A more recent study, published in January, found that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Wuhan, China, were still experiencing symptoms six months after first getting sick (https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)32656-8).

And what were the symptoms? How bad? Which 147 patients? Why them?
A story has a lot of parts to it.

[jrfsp]

And what were the symptoms? How bad? Which 147 patients? Why them?
A story has a lot of parts to it.

i dont disagree, but here is a forum for people needing class 1 medical cert, are you willing to take the chance? (Im not talking for post vaccination)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53196009

i know this is only 1 example, but he'll never fly again

[minigundiplomat]

n a study published in July 2020, Italian researchers followed 147 patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and found that 87% still had symptoms 60 days (https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2020.12603) after they were discharged from the hospital. A more recent study, published in January, found that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Wuhan, China, were still experiencing symptoms six months after first getting sick (https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)32656-8).

Not completely dissimilar to glandular fever. However, I don't believe we bankrupt the nation for that.

Doctors like certainty (that's not a criticism) but certainties involve zero risk. Nothing we do is without risk - if we always listened to doctors we'd all be teetotal vegan cyclists that never leave the house.

[compressor stall]

It's never been about the ~1% fatality rate.

Say these three words slowly. Overloaded. Health. System.

The peak of many waves in various countries has brought several first world health systems crashing to a halt.

When every ICU bed is full and ventilator occupied, and you have a car crash and need intubating... what then? Plenty of people are admitted to ICU each day without COVID. They would likely die under an overloaded health system.

We don't have lockdowns for glandular fever as is not really contagious, unless sucking face, so it will never overload the health system.

Maybe people should listen to those Paris doctors who just yesterday took out an ad in the paper to say that before long it is likely that they will have to triage who lives and dies, with or without COVID.

[minigundiplomat]

It's never been about the ~1% fatality rate.

Say these three words slowly. Overloaded. Health. System.

So why are we taking back Australians from overseas? Hotel quarantine is, either directly or indirectly, responsible for all new cases and has been since May/June last year. So what activities are aimed at reducing overloaded health system, and which aren't?

Try saying these three words slowly. Health.Needs.Funding

[compressor stall]

Because the government has (rightly in principle, but poorly in execution) determined that a slightly open border (for controlled return of expats and continuation of flight crews for freighters etc) outweighs medical risks of a virus escape turning into an overloaded health system. The mitigator is lockdowns.

Re funding - How many ICU rooms can you build and equip from scratch in - say - 6 months? Or maybe 12 months? And how many frontline health workers would we have spare if it spread like Europe or USA? Would they have been built in time to stop the health system being overloaded? With a huge country like AU with many regional areas remote from hospital facilities it would be a disaster. That's why many communities have been off limits. In WA you fly a pregnant woman the same distance as London to Budapest to get to hospital if she goes into labor more than 4 weeks early.

[Buttscratcher]

I'm getting a bit tired of these knee-jerk Lockdowns.
Crippling a city again because some infected returnee in a hotel gave it to a guard who went free-range.
I'd like to know how these 6 people are doing...are they really friggin' sick? Is one of them going to die?
Sure would like Channel 10 to do a story on this, but I'm guessing that there is nothing much exciting to relate.

[dr dre]

I'm getting a bit tired of these knee-jerk Lockdowns.
Crippling a city again because some infected returnee in a hotel gave it to a guard who went free-range.
I'd like to know how these 6 people are doing...are they really friggin' sick? Is one of them going to die?
Sure would like Channel 10 to do a story on this, but I'm guessing that there is nothing much exciting to relate.

It does seem frustrating, but every wide scale outbreak which overwhelmed a health system started with 1 or 2 patients. If the level of underlying positive cases circulating in the community isn’t stamped out by the time winter comes around they’ll increase exponentially.

Of course immunisation stops that. The government needs to ensure all workers within 50m of a potential Covid case are fully vaccinated at the earliest opportunity.

The more vaccinations the less strict precautions will need to be. As pilots the best we can do is get vaccinated and then become braggarts. Tell everyone we know we got vaccinated and encourage them to do the same, show it’s safe, quick and free. It’s the only way this lockdown/closure/isolation cycle will end.

[ScepticalOptomist]

i dont disagree, but here is a forum for people needing class 1 medical cert, are you willing to take the chance? (Im not talking for post vaccination)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53196009

i know this is only 1 example, but he'll never fly again

I understand your point. I just don’t think it’s worse than all the other ways we lose our Medicals. Diabetes / Coronary Disease / Cancer etc are much worse. The under-reaction to those diseases makes the over-reaction to CV that much worse.

[dr dre]

I understand your point. I just don’t think it’s worse than all the other ways we lose our Medicals. Diabetes / Coronary Disease / Cancer etc are much worse. The under-reaction to those diseases makes the over-reaction to CV that much worse.

Can you catch coronary disease from being in a close space for a few minutes with someone who has coronary disease?

Can you catch diabetes from touching the same door handle that someone with diabetes did?

Sometimes pilots should just stick to piloting.......

[SHVC]

Gladys has done an outstanding job so far, her downfall will be allowing the bluefest music festival to go ahead. This will be end of NSW streak which will result in a state wide outbreak. We will be back to where we were in April last year.

[wheels_down]

Seems like Melbourne is the place to be now!

Brisbane was going to fall over eventually just a matter of when.

Why are unvaccinated nurses dealing with positive cases with the assorted strains? Madness.

[Icarus2001]

Can you catch coronary disease from being in a close space for a few minutes with someone who has coronary disease?

No but 3000 people take their own life in Australia each year.

Another 3000 people a year die in car accidents. Should we ban cars as well?

[chookcooker]

Seems like Melbourne is the place to be now!

Brisbane was going to fall over eventually just a matter of when.

Why are unvaccinated nurses dealing with positive cases with the assorted strains? Madness.

meanwhile that health care backwater of the USA is pumping out 3.5 MILLION shots a day. Ok even on a per capita ratio we should be at 350,000 but no…… Australian exceptionalism

[ScepticalOptomist]

Can you catch coronary disease from being in a close space for a few minutes with someone who has coronary disease?

Can you catch diabetes from touching the same door handle that someone with diabetes did?

Sometimes pilots should just stick to piloting.......

I think you missed the point again.
It’s ok that we disagree on this. Someone had to vote for Labor and buy into the “chicken little” song and dance.

[maggot]

Seems like Melbourne is the place to be now!

Brisbane was going to fall over eventually just a matter of when.

Why are unvaccinated nurses dealing with positive cases with the assorted strains? Madness.
why arent they and the doctors in iso

[Ladloy]

No but 3000 people take their own life in Australia each year.

Another 3000 people a year die in car accidents. Should we ban cars as well?
There's licensing, policing, awareness campaigns and once upon a time people protested seatbelts, just like the fools protesting masks.

[Icarus2001]

just like the fools protesting masks

Well perhaps because the Australian government even mid 2020 was saying they were not required.

[goodonyamate]

Gladys has done an outstanding job so far, her downfall will be allowing the bluefest music festival to go ahead. This will be end of NSW streak which will result in a state wide outbreak. We will be back to where we were in April last year.


probably wait a day or two then make a decision I reckon. The testing que’s in Byron today were huuuuge. Any positive results she might can it. If it’s all clear, there’s a chance Byron might have escaped this one.

utter incompetence from the Queensland government. Given the way P and Miles carried on, it was only a matter of time.

[aviation_enthus]

The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it.

Once upon a time a scientist somewhere reported “possible” or “a chance” that the vaccine may not prevent infection. Once that headline goes out, it’s incredibly hard to change the narrative (even with clear results suggesting otherwise!).

Real world results in countries doing a far better job of vaccinations (USA/UK/Israel/UAE) would suggest the vaccine DRAMATICALLY lowers your chance of getting infected, let alone passing it on to someone else.

Overall, there were 170 SARS-CoV-2 infections among HCWs in the period between Dec 19, 2020, and Jan 24, 2021, of which 99 (58%) HCWs reported symptoms and were designated as COVID-19 cases. Of the 170 HCWs who became infected, 89 (52%) were unvaccinated, 78 (46%) tested positive after the first dose, and three (2%) tested positive after the second dose. Among the 125 infections that could be traced, 87 (70%) were community acquired and there were no nosocomial clusters.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00448-7/fulltext


A case control study, which has been peer reviewed and published in the New England Journal of Medicine, compared 596 618 people who were newly vaccinated in Israel and matched them to unvaccinated controls. Two doses of the mRNA vaccine reduced symptomatic cases by 94%, hospitalisation by 87%, and severe covid-19 by 92%, according to the data from the Clalit Institute for Research which is Israel’s biggest healthcare provider.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n567


The ONLY thing that will change your life and get aviation back up and running in Australia, is saying YES to a vaccine when it’s your turn.

*For the record, I’m overseas in a country that actually gets s*** done. Wife and I have already had both doses, so we are keen to see Australia get a move on so we can actually visit family again.


Thanks faction, the link below should be widely shared and reported on!!

A new study by the CDC shows that a single dose provides an 80% reduction in the risk of infection, not just illness. The second dose improves that again.

"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status; vaccine effectiveness of partial immunization (≥14 days after first dose but before second dose) was 80%."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm

[SOPS]

The lock down in Brisbane won’t end on Thursday ( my thoughts).


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-30/princess-alexandra-hospital-in-brisbane-lockdown/100039466

[blubak]

probably wait a day or two then make a decision I reckon. The testing que’s in Byron today were huuuuge. Any positive results she might can it. If it’s all clear, there’s a chance Byron might have escaped this one.

utter incompetence from the Queensland government. Given the way P and Miles carried on, it was only a matter of time.
Nobody wanted to see this happen but as you say the way P & miles carried on its nice to see them get a slap in the face. They were so arrogant & thought themselves invincible.
Hopefully there arent more cases today & everybody can look forward to easter being somewhat as planned.

[SHVC]

Going off the news this morning, Brisbane cluster has expanded waiting to be confirmed. Easter is not looking good now and with NT are on the fore foot by declaring Byron Bay a hot spot anticipating an out break there. I wonder if the emperor of the West will just close to NSW for being idiotic and continuing with the Byron Bay blues festival.

[blubak]

Going off the news this morning, Brisbane cluster has expanded waiting to be confirmed. Easter is not looking good now and with NT are on the fore foot by declaring Byron Bay a hot spot anticipating an out break there. I wonder if the emperor of the West will just close to NSW for being idiotic and continuing with the Byron Bay blues festival.
If cluster has grown you can bet the lockdown will be extended.
Hopefully Byron bay shows no more cases but always a chance.
Although they are saying all healthcare staff will get the jab,wouldnt it be appropriate for ALL healthcare & hotel quarantine staff to be tested at the start of every shift so that the chances of a transmission happening are reduced as much as possible.
As far as states slamming borders shut i guess its really a case of them being dammed if they do & dammed if they dont,the people in the unaffected states dont want it to enter so not an easy choice,just my opinion,many will disagree so no easy choice.

[SHVC]

It was also reported the original cases in Brisbane Dr and Nurse had not been vaccinated. It’s been discovered QLD and other states including NSW have been with holding up to 40% of doses on the shelf incase of short fall for the second jab even after the federal gov have assured them of enough supply now. States are responsible for this Australia is an embarrassment after seeing the statistics of the UK and USA

[Foxxster]

It was also reported the original cases in Brisbane Dr and Nurse had not been vaccinated. It’s been discovered QLD and other states including NSW have been with holding up to 40% of doses on the shelf incase of short fall for the second jab even after the federal gov have assured them of enough supply now. States are responsible for this Australia is an embarrassment after seeing the statistics of the UK and USA

would have happened even if they were vaccinated as the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting it.

and something I have been saying for a while now about the vaccines themselves.Two-thirds of global disease experts believe coronavirus variants will make vaccines ineffective within ONE YEAR

Surveyors interviewed 77 epidemiologists, virologists and infectious disease specialists about coronavirus vaccines
A total of 66.2% said they believe that within one year, mutations of the virus will render vaccines ineffective
Of that group, 18.2% said they believed it would occur within six months and 32.5% said within nine months
Another 18.2% said vaccines would be ineffective within two years while 7.8% said they believed mutations would never cause vaccines to become ineffective

[SHVC]

I know it does not, but it can reduce the severity in most cases and preventing things like death which is what everyone is worried about right?

[Foxxster]

I know it does not, but it can reduce the severity in most cases and preventing things like death which is what everyone is worried about right?

yep, but none of those tested appear to be sick at all.

looks like Gold Coast will go into LOCKDOWN today.

[patty50]

I know it does not, but it can reduce the severity in most cases and preventing things like death which is what everyone is worried about right?

It’s been nearly 6 months since anyone has died from an acute COVID infection in Australia. We are well and truly beyond worrying about deaths, zero cases is the only acceptable COVID status. Which is why borders will not reopen until the vaccines prevent infection.

[ruprecht]

zero cases is the only acceptable COVID status
Yeah, that’s not going to happen.

[kingRB]

AstraZeneca Vaccine suspended in Canada now for anyone under 55 years of age

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-suspends-astrazeneca-vaccine-covid-19-1.5968657

[faction]

would have happened even if they were vaccinated as the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting it.


That's incorrect https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm

[markis10]

That's incorrect https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm

Vaccines are not 100% effective, as evidenced by one of today’s new cases in Queensland that had been previously immunised, but they are not far off 100% depending on the variant.

[Icarus2001]

The lock down in Brisbane won’t end on Thursday ( my thoughts).

After the 9:00 am press briefing I think it looks positive for an end to lockdown on Thursday. Only three cases.

[Chronic Snoozer]

Vaccines are not 100% effective, as evidenced by one of today’s new cases in Queensland that had been previously immunised, but they are not far off 100% depending on the variant.

We can survive even if we don't achieve zero COVID cases, we can survive if vaccines aren't 100% effective. We just need to get to a point where CHOs are confident hospital systems won't be overloaded leading to preventable deaths. (WA isn't in good shape in this regard apparently, hence hard border stance) So give me a few hotspots, most of the population vaccinated with a >70% effective vaccine and let's get on with living. It's all hypothetical unless the government accelerates the vaccination program such that the vaccines remain effective in light of a mutating virus. Otherwise it will be an endless game of catch up.

[ScepticalOptomist]

AstraZeneca Vaccine suspended in Canada now for anyone under 55 years of age

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-suspends-astrazeneca-vaccine-covid-19-1.5968657

An easy, risk free stance to take as they have multiple vaccines available. Always easier to err on the side of caution when it won’t affect much. Doesn’t mean it’s not safe to use, only that there is some risk.

[ScepticalOptomist]

We can survive even if we don't achieve zero COVID cases, we can survive if vaccines aren't 100% effective. We just need to get to a point where CHOs are confident hospital systems won't be overloaded leading to preventable deaths. (WA isn't in good shape in this regard apparently, hence hard border stance) So give me a few hotspots, most of the population vaccinated with a >70% effective vaccine and let's get on with living. It's all hypothetical unless the government accelerates the vaccination program such that the vaccines remain effective in light of a mutating virus. Otherwise it will be an endless game of catch up.

Exactly right. Our politicians now need to get this message across to all of the scared little children they’ve kept scared.

[SHVC]

Well here we go again. I’m sure Emporer of the west will be closing to NSW by tonight. Confirmed case in Byron after press release this morning.

[jrfsp]

Well here we go again. I’m sure Emporer of the west will be closing to NSW by tonight. Confirmed case in Byron after press release this morning.

I wouldn't be surprised unfortunately, it is ridiculous - they really need a hotspot system. However i reckon all other states will also move to make the northern rivers region a hotspot. Certainly a blow for the busy Easter period

[Chris2303]

Meanwhile....something on which to ponder

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/study-reveals-one-in-three-coronavirus-patients-suffer-symptoms-after-eight-months/news-story/d89e47eac88e9434546fa4c1a8faebc4

[minigundiplomat]

Meanwhile....something on which to ponder

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...6fa4c1a8faebc4 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/study-reveals-one-in-three-coronavirus-patients-suffer-symptoms-after-eight-months/news-story/d89e47eac88e9434546fa4c1a8faebc4)

My spidey senses pricked up when I read the words 'terrifying percentage'. No mention of sample size, did they study 10 people, or 10,000? Heaven forbid I should have poor memory 8 months after COVID.......

Looks like Dr Dre science.

[ruprecht]

I’m interested in any preexisting comorbidities among the long-Covid group, including the BMI of those affected. Does anyone have access to that data?

[Troo believer]

I’m interested in any preexisting comorbidities among the long-Covid group, including the BMI of those affected. Does anyone have access to that data?

Fat chance mate. Seriously if you’re so interested google scholarly articles, Lancet in particular, and read for a few hours then get back to us.
If you’re fat, or a smoker, an old fart or all three then you’re fu*#ed.

[compressor stall]

My spidey senses pricked up when I read the words 'terrifying percentage'. No mention of sample size, did they study 10 people, or 10,000? Heaven forbid I should have poor memory 8 months after COVID.......

Looks like Dr Dre science.

Love the fact you use a Newscorp journalist reporting on a scientific study omitting to mention the sample size as a basis for discrediting the study. Quite an achievement.

[De_flieger]

My spidey senses pricked up when I read the words 'terrifying percentage'. No mention of sample size, did they study 10 people, or 10,000? Heaven forbid I should have poor memory 8 months after COVID.......

Looks like Dr Dre science.
If it's the article "Persistent symptoms up to four months after community and hospital-managed SARS-CoV-2 infection", by Darley et al, published in Medical Journal of Australia:
The study size was 78 patients, of which 9 had been hospitalised. The average age in the study group was 47 years of age. 37 of the 78 had no comorbidities, and at the time of presentation 3 of the 78 were classed as obese.

There were a range of measurements taken to assess the impact across various organ systems, with a substantial proportion of people experiencing ongoing problems across a range of organs, including some with cognitive impairment or ongoing loss of smell, indicating some sort of nerve damage. The authors acknowledged that their study is limited in its ability to generalise across a broader population, as their sample was largely drawn from a highly educated, wealthier predominantly white population with lower rates of chronic co-morbidity - ie the results found in the study are actually likely to be better than those found in a poorer, sicker group with worse healthcare or the general population.

If anyone can point me in the direction of a more recent or different paper, as the journalist keeps referring to an 8 month timeframe, that would be appreciated.

[601]

new cases in Queensland that had been previously immunised,
Yeah, the day before.

[Icarus2001]

So the Brisbane lock down ends at 12:00pm today. Great news. Now how long until the other states lift restrictions on entry?

[minigundiplomat]

'Easter is good to go'

Apart from all the cancellations over the last 3 days.

[LapSap]

So the Brisbane lock down ends at 12:00pm today. Great news. Now how long until the other states lift restrictions on entry?

who gives a rats.
they can all stay home as far as I’m concerned.
just another weekend

[Ladloy]

So the Brisbane lock down ends at 12:00pm today. Great news. Now how long until the other states lift restrictions on entry?
Feds made it hotspot. So I guess after that is reversed?

[wheels_down]

Old Mate out west will wait 28 days so 30th April probably

[brokenagain]

Old Mate out west will wait 28 days so 30th April probably

Who wants to visit WA anyway? It’s full of red dirt and bogans. Let them keep it.

[t_cas]

So, in essence Queen P has successfully obliterated plans over easter for many Queenslanders going interstate. Some may have taken a chance and not cancelled their bookings. For those that did, any efforts to rebook are now met with huge increases in costs.
It is ok though. QLD is "good to go" over Easter......... as long as you do not leave QLD!
Effectively shuttered Queenslanders in to holidaying in QLD all the while keeping the tourists from down south heading to all but the "hotspots"......
Perhaps she is smarter than the average bear.

[blubak]

So, in essence Queen P has successfully obliterated plans over easter for many Queenslanders going interstate. Some may have taken a chance and not cancelled their bookings. For those that did, any efforts to rebook are now met with huge increases in costs.
It is ok though. QLD is "good to go" over Easter......... as long as you do not leave QLD!
Effectively shuttered Queenslanders in to holidaying in QLD all the while keeping the tourists from down south heading to all but the "hotspots"......
Perhaps she is smarter than the average bear.
See if she has a plan to help recover the $35m lost in accomodation bookings,oh i forgot,she looks after her 'queenslanders'!

[galdian]

See if she has a plan to help recover the $35m lost in accomodation bookings,oh i forgot,she looks after her 'queenslanders'!

No she expects the Feds to cough up for her actions - after all it was THEM who destroyed the QLD tourism with the rolling border closures at whim. Naughty, nasty, bad Feds! :=

Anyone who ever thought it was the QLD Queen who closed the borders hasn't been spun the spin adequately....so far. :p

[minigundiplomat]

Just watched Jeanette Young on the news and you couldn’t make this sh1t up.

Apparently the rest of the state are wearing masks because ‘people in Brisbane are now free to travel across the state’. So there’s enough of a risk that people 1600km away need to wear a mask, but not enough to keep potential spreaders in one place. There is no pretence at logic or policy anymore.

[Car RAMROD]

Just watched Jeanette Young on the news and you couldn’t make this sh1t up.

Apparently the rest of the state are wearing masks because ‘people in Brisbane are now free to travel across the state’. So there’s enough of a risk that people 1600km away need to wear a mask, but not enough to keep potential spreaders in one place. There is no pretence at logic or policy anymore.


but they know voters will remember being locked up for Easter 2021 at the next election.
so no lockdown extension.

happy when the others were being locked down, not so much themselves.

[KRviator]

Who wants to visit WA anyway? It’s full of red dirt and bogans. Let them keep it.Some of us do have jobs there...Signed on for duty last night and was immediately asked "Would you consider remaining in WA for your RDO's just in case McGowan locks out NSW as well?". UUhh, yeah, naahhh. I'd sooner lose a months pay than give McGoose the satisfaction. And now, if you'll excuse me, I need to check in for my flight home tomorrow night....

As it is, they've lost all bar a couple of the Queensland contingent elected to stay in WA, the others flew home and will take their chances about getting back in. Our families are worth more than a few $$ and given how most of the FIFO crew have been screwed over, both by WA and their respective payroll departments with various living allowances there's no love lost there anymore so it'll be interesting to see how many shifts aren't able to be covered in the next month or two, particularly if McGoose does include NSW in his latest tantrum.

[Ladloy]

So, in essence Queen P has successfully obliterated plans over easter for many Queenslanders going interstate. Some may have taken a chance and not cancelled their bookings. For those that did, any efforts to rebook are now met with huge increases in costs.
It is ok though. QLD is "good to go" over Easter......... as long as you do not leave QLD!
Effectively shuttered Queenslanders in to holidaying in QLD all the while keeping the tourists from down south heading to all but the "hotspots"......
Perhaps she is smarter than the average bear.


Didn't the exact same thing happen at Christmas but in PPRUNE's beloved state of NSW?

[galdian]

Didn't the exact same thing happen at Christmas but in PPRUNE's beloved state of NSW?

Yeah Gladys closed things down when she had to, Queen P at whim so she could spew "saved all the Queenslander you must vote for me" as her re-election propaganda.

IMHO one's been a pretty good leader - not perfect but no-one ever is - regards CV19, the other couldn't find the word in the dictionary.
Let you work out which is which.

[Keg]

Didn't the exact same thing happen at Christmas but in PPRUNE's beloved state of NSW?

The ‘exact’ same thing? You mean a lockdown of the entirety of Sydney for a handful of cases? No, it didn’t. We did lockdown about 300K people for a super spreader event that seeded 30 people on one day though. Meanwhile the rest of Sydney was pretty sensible and got on with life.

[Icarus2001]

I have never really had an opinion either way about Gladys but it does seem she has the most practical approach of all the state leaders. I did like her comment about NSW residents not having to worry about being locked out of their home state. Gave them confidence to travel.

[Ladloy]

The ‘exact’ same thing? You mean a lockdown of the entirety of Sydney for a handful of cases? No, it didn’t. We did lockdown about 300K people for a super spreader event that seeded 30 people on one day though. Meanwhile the rest of Sydney was pretty sensible and got on with life.
Sydney was declared a hotspot and tourism came to a standstill from Christmas for a month, lockdown was over early to facilitate the holiday season but the damage was done. Just like the current Queensland situation.

[blubak]

Yeah Gladys closed things down when she had to, Queen P at whim so she could spew "saved all the Queenslander you must vote for me" as her re-election propaganda.

IMHO one's been a pretty good leader - not perfect but no-one ever is - regards CV19, the other couldn't find the word in the dictionary.
Let you work out which is which.
I heard queen P speaking this morning,of course she was praising herself up but 1 thing she said really intrigued me
'If u feel sick or have any symptoms,STAY HOME & GET TESTED'!
I thought 1 had to go to a testing site to get tested but obviously not in queen P land,she didnt give the number to call though🙊

[Keg]

Sydney was declared a hotspot and tourism came to a standstill from Christmas for a month, lockdown was over early to facilitate the holiday season but the damage was done. Just like the current Queensland situation.

Those of us not on the northern beaches were largely unaffected by the lockdown. That other states were complete numpties and closed their borders to people from communities with no community transmission (like my relatives from Wagga who were trying to get to Brisbane) is not an issue with NSW.

So yes, people on the northern beaches had to change their travel plans. That’s still better than having the entirety of Sydney having to change their plans such as occurred with the Brisbane lock down.

[SOPS]

I have a question. I thought that anyone coming to Australia had to have a negative COVID test before they departed from an overseas country. ?
if this is the case, why are all these people arriving and being tested positive for Covid?

[wheels_down]

The tennis charters especially had negative tests on departure but positive on arrival. The time between these two tests is still quite a while when factoring in these are ultra long haul missions.

That happened to a International Crew member last week. Negative before signon but arrived here positive.

[jrfsp]

We've had the first case of blood clotting today from the AZ vaccine. While insignificant in number, doesn't do much for public confidence.

Considering its basically the only vaccine we have signed up for (minus a small amount of Pfizer), TGA will be under huge pressure reverse its backing. Lots of european countries have limited its use in under 60s. We dont have that choice, i do think public uptake would be higher if another vaccines were offered

[Slippery_Pete]

We've had the first case of blood clotting today from the AZ vaccine.

What a load of sh**.

What we’ve had is someone who had a vaccine also develop a blood clot... and at this stage, no scientifically proven link between the two.

Let’s stick to science, rather than hysteria.

[galdian]

We've had the first case of blood clotting today from the AZ vaccine. While insignificant in number, doesn't do much for public confidence.

Considering its basically the only vaccine we have signed up for (minus a small amount of Pfizer), TGA will be under huge pressure reverse its backing. Lots of european countries have limited its use in under 60s. We dont have that choice, i do think public uptake would be higher if another vaccines were offered

...until SOMETHING pops up to bring any other vaccine into question.
Won't happen/can't happen? Why did it happen to the AZ vaccine?

One person. Try and learn what the problem was and adapt/improve. One person! :ugh:

Contrary to some apparrent opinions the sky is not falling. :ok:

[noclue]

Can’t you also develop blood clots flying long haul?

[smiling monkey]

I have a question. I thought that anyone coming to Australia had to have a negative COVID test before they departed from an overseas country. ?
if this is the case, why are all these people arriving and being tested positive for Covid?

Because it may take 10 to 14 days to develop symptoms. That's why they need to quarantine for that long when they arrive Australia, even after a negative test result before departure.

[Car RAMROD]

I have a question. I thought that anyone coming to Australia had to have a negative COVID test before they departed from an overseas country. ?
if this is the case, why are all these people arriving and being tested positive for Covid?

people getting dodgy (as in counterfeit, not false) proof of a negative test before departing?

already heard that there’s concern over counterfeit vaccination documentation.

[compressor stall]

Yes there was a problem with dodgy counterfeit certificates in Dubai a couple of months ago. And I’m sure in many other places too. Also, testing around the world is done in different ways, none seem as thorough as Australia. From personal experience, some countries use one nostril jab only, others do the 2 nostril and throat but are way less vigorous (deep) than here, so false negatives are more probable. But the more likely reason is that, as SM says, all a test does is say you’re not positive at the time of the test. The incubation period is at least 10 days in some people may not show a positive between infection date and symptoms (if any)..

[compressor stall]

We've had the first case of blood clotting today from the AZ vaccine. While insignificant in number, doesn't do much for public confidence.

Considering its basically the only vaccine we have signed up for (minus a small amount of Pfizer), TGA will be under huge pressure reverse its backing. Lots of european countries have limited its use in under 60s. We dont have that choice, i do think public uptake would be higher if another vaccines were offered

no we didn’t. We had someone who had the AZ vaccine and had a blood clot.

A pilot friend in mid 40s sadly had a blood clot 2 weeks ago. Perfect health prior. He hadn’t had any COVID vaccine jab, but was joking with the docs how he’d be front page of the paper if he had.

[cynphil]

Although it’s interesting that there hasn’t been reports of blood clotting with the Pfizer vaccine, it appears from reports just the AZ vaccine!!

[dr dre]

Can’t you also develop blood clots flying long haul?

You can also develop blood clots from taking birth control pills. 0.3 to 1% risk of clots on the pill, which is far, far, far higher than the reported risk of clots from the AZ vaccine which haven't been proven to have a causal link yet. No one panics about young women taking the pill to this extent.

A lot of the cases in Europe happened in young women of reproductive age who could possibly have been on the pill.

30,000 Australians develop blood clots each year. 3% of the public have received a vaccine. Which means on average about 15 Australians who have been vaccinated already should develop a blood clot within a week after being vaccinated.

[Foxxster]

If you want official data on reaction from both astra and Pfizer vaccines on a large scale, here is the UK data.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

[Icarus2001]

There are 159 active cases of Covid 19 in Australia. When will we stop calling it a pandemic?

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers#cases-active-cases-and-deaths-by-state-and-territory

[Fonz121]

There are 30,000 blood clots in Australia in any given year. During the year where we will be vaccinating a large percentage of the population, I’m sure there will be plenty of blood clots in people who also happened to have had the vaccine. Doesn’t mean anything.

[Troo believer]

In 2019 prior to any COVID there were 250 deaths due to influenza in Australia. Was there a need for lockdowns, border closures, or daily briefings from politicians? NO. At what point do we accept that life has some risk attached to it and we re evaluate this current chicken little stance and get on with life? Imagine that contact tracing and snap lockdowns were used to manage a flu? It wouldn’t be tolerated yet here we are still being managed to the point of irrelevance by bureaucrats and politicians over this “Pandemic” that doesn’t exist. COVID disease is worse than the flu don’t get me wrong but with vaccination and heard immunity it will become just another bloody lurgy. The chance of someone becoming severely ill or dying from it will be statistically similar to that of the flu if not less than.

The CDC has just announced that international travellers from the USA, that have been completely vaccinated and waited the minimum time from their last vaccination, are free to travel. Upon return to the USA there is now no longer a requirement to quarantine or self isolate. I wonder how long we will have to wait for similar mature policy to evolve or will we continue to be treated as the diseased, not to be trusted. In the next few weeks most Australian based international crew will have been fully vaccinated. Will Australia treat us the same way as the CDC treat their crew? I think not.

Professor Whitty from the UK gives any disease and societal impositions context.
.https://youtu.be/3vQlZrMU8sg

[Stick Flying]

Although it’s interesting that there hasn’t been reports of blood clotting with the Pfizer vaccine, it appears from reports just the AZ vaccine!!
There have been Thrombosis events reported after administering the Pfizer vaccine.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/975808/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

Alas, that doesn't suit the narrative of those that are reporting the AZ statistics so they conveniently omit those details. It must be made patently clear, at this stage these events are currently mere statistics. There is currently no traceable link that the vaccine's have resulted in the clotting. I'd like to hope that the scientists are furiously investigating whether it is causal or coincidence.

[dr dre]

At what point do we accept that life has some risk attached to it and we re evaluate this current chicken little stance and get on with life?

You've answered that question yourself in your own post:

COVID disease is worse than the flu don’t get me wrong but with vaccination and heard (herd) immunity it will become just another bloody lurgy.

[ScepticalOptomist]

There are 30,000 blood clots in Australia in any given year. During the year where we will be vaccinating a large percentage of the population, I’m sure there will be plenty of blood clots in people who also happened to have had the vaccine. Doesn’t mean anything.

Doesn’t suit the narrative though - this kind of logic will never be allowed! :)

[Australopithecus]

I agree that the incidence of blood clots in general after the Oxford-AZ jab seems to mirror what you'd expect in the same unvaccinated population over the same time, but the rare kind of clotting event, the CVST, seems to be over represented in the data.

The risk is still minuscule compared to the virus, less than shark attacks for surfers/divers, about the same as lightning strike deaths. Much less chance of dying than winning a lottery.

As far as herd immunity goes: even the sober scientists at the CDC suggest that more than 70% of the population has to be vaccinated for herd immunity to begin in the USA. Same for Europe. Here, where even a single case triggers panic, you have to expect that total elimination is the only way we can ever again enjoy a robust aviation industry free from the snap lock-downs. That means, by extension, that we are going to need an almost total vaccination uptake. Since that isn’t going to happen without serious coercion, I wonder if the government has mapped out a strategy to force vaccinations regardless of whatever superstitions people harbour?

Since the Premiers want a zero-risk Covid response, the only way to avoid more lockdowns is a zero-risk population, which means a 100% immunity program. Otherwise, we are going to be closed to retail international travel forever. Unless of course the various governments re-educate the public about the balance of risks and accept say a flu-like mortality rate.

Anecdotally I have had my AZ jab, and have detected no &;)$(6z$$d covfefe.

On edit: Ahhh! I smell toast!

[Angle of Attack]

The only thing this has made me realise is that most numpty’s in this country have no idea about statistics and probability. Maybe Mathematics should be emphasised more in the curriculum? Basically what the media have been crapping on about in the last 2 days is exactly the same as a person standing under a tree in a storm and whinging they got struck by lightning. It’s pretty much the same probability.

[Australopithecus]

If a country removes all restrictions on distancing, masks and testing, the unvaccinated cohort, if subsequently infected, will suffer the same proportional fate that we see now: about 2% die, about 30% have some long tern ill effects, and some fraction of those have a disability. The same bleak outlook that informed our response a year ago remains in play, although with a reduced rate of infection.

I have a few problems with people choosing not to immunised.:They will all eventually burden the health care system to one degree or another. Some will eventually burden the long term care system. Some (after the inevitable sporadic infections) will prevent reliable freedom of movement across borders because of the predictable political response. There will be the attendant economic losses in the travel and hospitality industries that will go unpunished. The subset of the population that is unvaccinated will become a political constituency that may shape policy to the detriment of the greater good. The degree of herd immunity we will accept must must must reflect the degree of vaccine uptake that the will demand of our neighbours. If we as a nation demand a 100% covid safe life then we must demand of each other a 100% immunity. Same as polio, same as small pox. The cost may end up being ten lives lost. The individual risks remain tiny, and should be discussed that way. Few people seem able (or schooled) to perceive risk or chance accurately.

[JJ 789]

I agree that the incidence of blood clots in general after the Oxford-AZ jab seems to mirror what you'd expect in the same unvaccinated population over the same time, but the rare kind of clotting event, the CVST, seems to be over represented in the data.

The risk is still minuscule compared to the virus, less than shark attacks for surfers/divers, about the same as lightning strike deaths. Much less chance of dying than winning a lottery.

As far as herd immunity goes: even the sober scientists at the CDC suggest that more than 70% of the population has to be vaccinated for herd immunity to begin in the USA. Same for Europe. Here, where even a single case triggers panic, you have to expect that total elimination is the only way we can ever again enjoy a robust aviation industry free from the snap lock-downs. That means, by extension, that we are going to need an almost total vaccination uptake. Since that isn’t going to happen without serious coercion, I wonder if the government has mapped out a strategy to force vaccinations regardless of whatever superstitions people harbour?

Since the Premiers want a zero-risk Covid response, the only way to avoid more lockdowns is a zero-risk population, which means a 100% immunity program. Otherwise, we are going to be closed to retail international travel forever. Unless of course the various governments re-educate the public about the balance of risks and accept say a flu-like mortality rate.

Anecdotally I have had my AZ jab, and have detected no &;)$(6z$$d covfefe.

On edit: Ahhh! I smell toast!

Ridiculous, the government can't force vaccinations. Unless you would like Australia to model itself on China? We're already a nanny state before this whole COVID business. Gee Australian's have become real apathetic pussies.
If you're not at risk, why get vaccinated? Look at the demographics where COVID has the most serious effects. Those already close to or exceeding the average life expectancy. Gee if I was living in a nursing home right now (family visiting once a week if I'm lucky, laying in my own **** for hours, surrounded by other old grogan's) I would be licking every light switch hoping to catch the bug to put me out of my misery.
So let's get on with it. Let those who want the vaccine get it and those that don't and accept a level of risk, get back to normal life.

[Australopithecus]

And there you have it. Ignorance and selfishness in the guise of freedumb. Q.E.D.

[Ladloy]

If a country removes all restrictions on distancing, masks and testing, the unvaccinated cohort, if subsequently infected, will suffer the same proportional fate that we see now: about 2% die, about 30% have some long tern ill effects, and some fraction of those have a disability. The same bleak outlook that informed our response a year ago remains in play, although with a reduced rate of infection.

I have a few problems with people choosing not to immunised.:They will all eventually burden the health care system to one degree or another. Some will eventually burden the long term care system. Some (after the inevitable sporadic infections) will prevent reliable freedom of movement across borders because of the predictable political response. There will be the attendant economic losses in the travel and hospitality industries that will go unpunished. The subset of the population that is unvaccinated will become a political constituency that may shape policy to the detriment of the greater good. The degree of herd immunity we will accept must must must reflect the degree of vaccine uptake that the will demand of our neighbours. If we as a nation demand a 100% covid safe life then we must demand of each other a 100% immunity. Same as polio, same as small pox. The cost may end up being ten lives lost. The individual risks remain tiny, and should be discussed that way. Few people seem able (or schooled) to perceive risk or chance accurately.

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You bring up a very valid point. This is the burden of a population pre vaccination rollout.

[Buster Hyman]

Simple. Deny the jab and lose Medicare benefits for COVID related illness plus, financial liability if you cause infection to others. Money is a great motivator.

[Vag277]

JJ789
You are clearly but a child. You obviously have no knowledge of compulsory polio and TB vaccinations in the early 60s for all children.

[Chronic Snoozer]

Ridiculous, the government can't force vaccinations. Unless you would like Australia to model itself on China? We're already a nanny state before this whole COVID business. Gee Australian's have become real apathetic pussies.
If you're not at risk, why get vaccinated? Look at the demographics where COVID has the most serious effects. Those already close to or exceeding the average life expectancy. Gee if I was living in a nursing home right now (family visiting once a week if I'm lucky, laying in my own **** for hours, surrounded by other old grogan's) I would be licking every light switch hoping to catch the bug to put me out of my misery.
So let's get on with it. Let those who want the vaccine get it and those that don't and accept a level of risk, get back to normal life.

No problem. Could you all gather your things and go live on your own island? Antarctica's available. Cheers.

[Global Aviator]

No problem. Could you all gather your things and go live on your own island? Antarctica's available. Cheers.

Antarctica’s pretty crowded, I reckon you’d probably have to have had the jab to be able to go! Little bit far away to be getting the Billy ray! :E

[Dannyboy39]

Ridiculous, the government can't force vaccinations. Unless you would like Australia to model itself on China? We're already a nanny state before this whole COVID business. Gee Australian's have become real apathetic pussies.
If you're not at risk, why get vaccinated? Look at the demographics where COVID has the most serious effects. Those already close to or exceeding the average life expectancy. Gee if I was living in a nursing home right now (family visiting once a week if I'm lucky, laying in my own **** for hours, surrounded by other old grogan's) I would be licking every light switch hoping to catch the bug to put me out of my misery.
So let's get on with it. Let those who want the vaccine get it and those that don't and accept a level of risk, get back to normal life.
It is short sighted to bring in “passports” and will antagonise the population, but at the same time, you can’t keep the country closed because some people refuse to be vaccinated. Life has to go on.

On the subject of nanny states, still booking people for jaywalking?

[patty50]

Simple. Deny the jab and lose Medicare benefits for COVID related illness plus, financial liability if you cause infection to others. Money is a great motivator.

Let’s roll out this theory to all aspects of healthcare consumption. I’ll take my COVID liability if oldies and fatties take on age and fat related illness liability.

[KRviator]

Simple. Deny the jab and lose Medicare benefits for COVID related illness plus, financial liability if you cause infection to others. Money is a great motivator.So...Uhh, those 8,500 deaths and tens of thousands of instances of lung cancer caused by intentional and voluntary tobacco consumption should cough up (pardon the terrible pun), for their own treatment too?

[JJ 789]

JJ789
You are clearly but a child. You obviously have no knowledge of compulsory polio and TB vaccinations in the early 60s for all children.

Again, look at the severity of polio vs COVID. So I pose the question, as an individual in my mid 30's where this virus poses a very small risk, why should I be vaccinated?
However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor so that's a relief working in the aviation industry, but for the rest who feel like they may be "forced", I suggest they look into their rights.

[turbantime]

However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor so that's a relief working in the aviation industry, but for the rest who feel like they may be "forced", I suggest they look into their rights.
If you have a condition preventing you from taking the vaccine then I would suggest you are not able to hold a Class 1 medical. Good luck at your next renewal.

[kingRB]

No problem. Could you all gather your things and go live on your own island? Antarctica's available. Cheers.


Could you gather all your things and go live in a totalitarian / authoritarian ****hole? China or North Korea's available. You'd fit right in at the Uygher "re education" camps where the Government decides what medical procedures you will have :ok:

[JJ 789]

If you have a condition preventing you from taking the vaccine then I would suggest you are not able to hold a Class 1 medical. Good luck at your next renewal.

There's no condition preventing me holding a class 1 medical. As I said, they're a very "understanding" doctor and are pragmatic in their understanding of this pandemic

[JJ 789]

Could you gather all your things and go live in a totalitarian / authoritarian ****hole? China or North Korea's available. You'd fit right in at the Uygher "re education" camps where the Government decides what medical procedures you will have :ok:

Haha I agree, it seems some people are wishing for this

[ScepticalOptomist]

Again, look at the severity of polio vs COVID. So I pose the question, as an individual in my mid 30's where this virus poses a very small risk, why should I be vaccinated?
However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor so that's a relief working in the aviation industry, but for the rest who feel like they may be "forced", I suggest they look into their rights.

I presume you’re domestic only?

I imagine most countries, including Australia, requiring a vaccination for entry if you don’t want to pay for lengthy quarantine.

[turbantime]

There's no condition preventing me holding a class 1 medical. As I said, they're a very "understanding" doctor and are pragmatic in their understanding of this pandemic
But in order to get a medical exemption from the vaccine, there will be something in your file explaining why you can’t have one i.e. a condition. If you fail to disclose this condition to CASA at your next renewal, you are strictly liable and may have your medical cancelled and then prosecuted.

[dr dre]

Again, look at the severity of polio vs COVID. So I pose the question, as an individual in my mid 30's where this virus poses a very small risk, why should I be vaccinated?
However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor so that's a relief working in the aviation industry, but for the rest who feel like they may be "forced", I suggest they look into their rights.

1. You get vaccinated not so much to protect you, but to protect the vulnerable around you by having some level of pre-existing antibodies in your system. You don't contract the virus if exposed or if you do contract it the pre-existing antibodies ensure your illness is asymptomatic or very mild which therefore lessens the risk of spread to more vulnerable people, those who can't be vaccinated, those whom the vaccination didn't produce enough antibodies. It's actually imperative that younger people get vaccinated as they are more mobile and more likely to spread the virus.

2. You got an exemption for what? As of now there's no requirement to be vaccinated for anything. And as others have pointed out as soon as CASA finds out you have a medical exemption for a vaccine they'll be interested to know what medical condition you have that is so bad you can't get a vaccine but supposedly still can hold a medical. The only conditions I think prevent you from getting vaccinated are those with severe anaphylaxis or those with significant comprised immune systems, both of which I'm sure will prevent you from holding an aviation medical.

[morno]

There's no condition preventing me holding a class 1 medical. As I said, they're a very "understanding" doctor and are pragmatic in their understanding of this pandemic

You can’t get an exemption just for being a dick head. Plus the vaccine isn’t mandatory anyway, don’t know what you think you’re getting an “exemption” for.

Might be handy that you’re a pilot, because you know farking nothing about medicine.

[turbantime]

1. You get vaccinated not so much to protect you, but to protect the vulnerable around you by having some level of pre-existing antibodies in your system. You don't contract the virus if exposed or if you do contract it the pre-existing antibodies ensure your illness is asymptomatic or very mild which therefore lessens the risk of spread to more vulnerable people, those who can't be vaccinated, those whom the vaccination didn't produce enough antibodies. It's actually imperative that younger people get vaccinated as they are more mobile and more likely to spread the virus.
And also because the virus is most likely to mutate inside an unvaccinated person. It takes time for the immune system to respond and develop the appropriate anti-bodies naturally, giving the virus time to replicate and possibly mutate.

[chookcooker]

Exemption from the non mandatory vaccine?? Sounds legit
how much you pay for the “exemption”??

[turbantime]

So a “pragmatic” doctor giving you an exemption for a non-mandatory vaccine which may endanger your aviation medical. Doesn’t sound like a very smart doctor to me.

OR

You’re full of sh*t.

I’m going with the latter.

Reminds me when our airline made masks mandatory for staff (before it become mandatory for pax). There was an uproar from cabin crew and how they would be obtaining exemptions. It was pointed out from our medical officer that if you need an exemption then you’re not suitable for duties on an aircraft. That shut them up quick smart. Now it’s turned to vaccinations and as another poster has pointed out, they’ll need it for international flights and I’d imagine my airline will remove these people from international duties and place them on LWOP.

[StudentInDebt]

Didn’t there used to be a “don’t feed the trolls” sticky on every PPRuNe forum? Something about sciolists IIRC.

[WingNut60]

Again, look at the severity of polio vs COVID. ........

Yes, please do. Don't just assume.
They are different diseases and hard to compare directly, but COVID would appear to be just as serious if not more so than polio.

[Icarus2001]

More serious than polio, really?Paralysis is often permanent, although total or partial recovery can occur through compensation by muscles not affected. Weakness or paralysis present 12 months after onset, which occurs in two-thirds of patients with paralysis, is usually

The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults. It increases to 25% to 75% with bulbar involvement.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/polio.html

[compressor stall]

Careful cherry picking data....

From your source in context:Most people who get infected with poliovirus (about 72 out of 100) will not have any visible symptoms.

About 1 out of 4 people with poliovirus infection will have flu-like symptoms that may include:

Sore throat
Fever
Tiredness
Nausea
Headache
Stomach pain

These symptoms usually last 2 to 5 days, then go away on their own.

A smaller proportion of people with poliovirus infection will develop other, more serious symptoms that affect the brain and spinal cord:

Paresthesia (feeling of pins and needles in the legs)
Meningitis (infection of the covering of the spinal cord and/or brain) occurs in about 1 out of 25 people with poliovirus infection
Paralysis (can’t move parts of the body) or weakness in the arms, legs, or both, occurs in about 1 out of 200 people with poliovirus infection

Paralysis is the most severe symptom associated with polio, because it can lead to permanent disability and death. Between 2 and 10 out of 100 people who have paralysis from poliovirus infection die, because the virus affects the muscles that help them breathe.
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Your sample set is not of the whole population - you have referred to 2-10% of those exhibiting one symptom of "smaller proportion" of 25%.

Polio is also predominantly spread via the focal oral route. You can't usually get it just being in the same room as someone else.

[Keg]

...they’ll need it for international flights and I’d imagine my airline will remove these people from international duties and place them on LWOP.

Nope. They’ll be sacked. If having a vaccine is a requirement for entry into the UK, or USA, or Singapore, or anywhere an international pilot flies to, and a pilot refuses the vaccine, then they’re not able to fulfil the ‘inherent requirements’ of the job.

Perhaps they’ll be able to get a transfer to Australian operations only (if applicable for the airline) where I suspect it won’t be mandatory to have a vaccine but that could still involve some restrictions on your movements when in slip port depending on the local health rules in play at the time.

[1A_Please]

There's no condition preventing me holding a class 1 medical. As I said, they're a very "understanding" doctor and are pragmatic in their understanding of this pandemic
So you found another nutter anti-vax doctor. The last one pulling that stunt was the Bozo down in Victoria giving bogus exemptions so people didn't have to get their kids vaccinated before kinder. Turns out, he was a quack and had his medical license cancelled permanently.

Nope. They’ll be sacked. If having a vaccine is a requirement for entry into the UK, or USA, or Singapore, or anywhere an international pilot flies to, and a pilot refuses the vaccine, then they’re not able to fulfil the ‘inherent requirements’ of the job.

Perhaps they’ll be able to get a transfer to Australian operations only (if applicable for the airline) where I suspect it won’t be mandatory to have a vaccine but that could still involve some restrictions on your movements when in slip port depending on the local health rules in play at the time.
Correct, most western nations will deny unvaccinated non-citizens entry so airlines will have no interest in having these people on staff. AJ has already hinted he may look to a domestic ban on unvaccinated people once the rollout is complete at the end of 2021 so QF will be unlikely to be employing any unvaccinated staff in any customer-facing role.

[Keg]

AJ has already hinted he may look to a domestic ban on unvaccinated people once the rollout is complete at the end of 2021 so QF will be unlikely to be employing any unvaccinated staff in any customer-facing role.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I know that some in the business community are asking whether they can insist on a vaccination and I guess it’s up to them to argue its an inherent requirement of the job. Given that the feds won’t be able to mandate this vaccine for the wider citizenry I’m not sure how they will be able to make the case- particularly if anyone arriving from overseas has already had a vaccine and presumably will have tested negative either prior to departure and/or on arrival.

[Australopithecus]

Given the border measures required of interstate travellers during flare-ups, would it be surprising if states like WA require a vaccination for all visitors? I would certainly expect something like that if there are more community transmission events.

[Keg]

The question is whether they have the authority to do so. I’m not convinced they do.

[JustinHeywood]

...as an individual in my mid 30's where this virus poses a very small risk, why should I be vaccinated?

I would expect that level of wilful ignorance from a random punter at the pub on a Friday night, but surely not on a professional forum.


However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor....
Yeah, right.

“To whom it may concern, this pilot is exempt from COVID vaccination but in all other respects is in excellent health. Sincerely, Dr Duck.

[SHVC]

Article in the Australian, following NZ PM announcement tomorrow could see a no quarantine travel bubble open as early as Friday.

[Buster Hyman]

Let’s roll out this theory to all aspects of healthcare consumption. I’ll take my COVID liability if oldies and fatties take on age and fat related illness liability.

So...Uhh, those 8,500 deaths and tens of thousands of instances of lung cancer caused by intentional and voluntary tobacco consumption should cough up (pardon the terrible pun), for their own treatment too?
God, I hope you two aren't Pilots. :rolleyes:

[Chris2303]

Article in the Australian, following NZ PM announcement tomorrow could see a no quarantine travel bubble open as early as Friday.

Which is something, anecdotally anyway, that a large number of New Zealanders do not want, fearing for their own safety.

[SHVC]

Given how good Australia and NZ are doing with the virus having almost eradicated it, which is what ppl want guess. If they fear for their safety now NZ may as well just close up and throw away the key, its time to get on with life.

My concern is how are the arrivals/departures going to be managed? if we have one arrive from Auckland and there is also an ANA/Emirates or China flight arrival are they all let loose in the arrivals hall one flight let loose in the public others off to a hotel after all mingling in close proximity through the terminal.

[Troo believer]

Which is something, anecdotally anyway, that a large number of New Zealanders do not want, fearing for their own safety.
There are more people with COVID in NZ than Australia as a percentage of population but don’t let the facts influence your prejudice.

[Keg]

My concern is how are the arrivals/departures going to be managed? if we have one arrive from Auckland and there is also an ANA/Emirates or China flight arrival are they all let loose in the arrivals hall one flight let loose in the public others off to a hotel after all mingling in close proximity through the terminal.

No. They won’t, well at least not in Australia. They don’t even let the arriving flights intermingle in Sydney at the moment (and I presume elsewhere also). All the flights are kept separated from each other. Even individuals on the same flight are kept distanced from each other in the arrival halls. Crew who have operated domestically and arrive at an Sydney international terminal aren’t even going inside the terminal and are being picked up at the bottom of the aerobridge and transferred to domestic.

So I reckon Australia will have this issue well under control.

[Chris2303]

There are more people with COVID in NZ than Australia as a percentage of population but don’t let the facts influence your prejudice.

It was a statement without prejudice.

Fortress NZ has never been a better idea since the days of no airplanes and people arrived on ships.

We didn't have anywhere near the number of whining Australians then either.

How can you tell when a flight from Australia has arrived? The whining doesn't stop when the engines are shut down

[Keg]

How can you tell when a flight from Australia has arrived? The whining doesn't stop when the engines are shut down

Lol. How do you know you’re interacting with a Kiwi? Because of the enormous chip on their shoulder towards Australia! It’s a national inferiority complex. It was embarrassing 35 years ago when I lived in NZ for a time, it’s still embarrassing. Seriously, get help.

[Chris2303]

Lol. How do you know you’re interacting with a Kiwi? Because of the enormous chip on their shoulder towards Australia! It’s a national inferiority complex. It was embarrassing 35 years ago when I lived in NZ for a time, it’s still embarrassing. Seriously, get help.

Yeah - nah..

It because we have become very superior to Australians.

We won't even deport Australian lawbreakers!

[WingNut60]

Yeah - nah..

It because we have become very superior to Australians.

We won't even deport Australian lawbreakers!
Well, they'll go home on their own anyway when they can't find anything worth stealing or ................ (expletive deleted).

[kiwi grey]

Article in the Australian, following NZ PM announcement tomorrow could see a no quarantine travel bubble open as early as Friday.

Our MSM has been saying that Air NZ and the airports want at least two, preferably three weeks notice of a free-for-all travel bubble with Australia. Probably Air NZ want to sort out some minor unimportant details like rostering crews & running them through simulator checks, pulling aircraft out of semi-mothballs status and so on. In the case of the airports, pulling down hoardings, cleaning and re-stocking the shops - which may not be easy the way the supply chains are at the moment - and giving the shop operators time to re-hire or replace staff they laid off months ago.
The Leader of the Opposition is, of course saying we should reopen this afternoon, or at latest tomorrow

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

EUREKA !!
Monday, April 19th, is ' De Day' according to Jacinda.....
(Australian Aviation' News Alert!!)

Let 'The Invasion' begin......
Cheers

p.s. "We will fight them on the beaches........."

[Lazyload]

A bit off topic, but what has happened to Section 28? Griffo’s style makes me think he’s S28 in cameo. I miss the almost daily assaults on the Queen’s English that S28 offered.

[Maggie Island]

A bit off topic, but what has happened to Section 28? Griffo’s style makes me think he’s S28 in cameo. I miss the almost daily assaults on the Queen’s English that S28 offered.

Dr Jeckyll/Mr Hyde?

[Traffic_Is_Er_Was]

In the case of the airports,
It's more about figuring out how to physically divide terminals in two. Bubble flights in one side, all the rest in the other, and never the twain shall meet. What exactly is required to accomplish and maintain this is still being decided by government.

[jrfsp]

Wouldnt it easiest to operate bubble flights out of the domestic terminals ? Realistically only airports which need separation are SYD/MEL/BNE/AKL (Maybe PER if they join). (I know HBA / ADL / CBR operate a few internationals but not many and are single terminal anyway)
Considering neither AU or NZ domestic flights require international security standards, why bother for bubble. Just have a few passport readers and limited bio-security, shouldnt be a huge issue for trans tasman.