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Old 7th May 2022, 13:40
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Reciprocity is coming .

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Reciprocity is coming .
that should be:

reciprocity is coming back ..........................
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Old 7th May 2022, 16:53
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To mobilise a million men Russia needs the men to train them, the supplies to equip them and the tanks, armour and artillery for them to operate.

The Russian ground forces constitue about 400K, of whom 200K are conscripts and who weren’t supposed to go to war. The number of troops sent into Ukraine is assessed to be about 190K.

Most of those will have been the professionals. About 25-30K are dead and around another 60K+ will be wounded. The rest can’t be pulled out without the entire war and army collapsing.

Back home they can’t produce new tanks or artillery because they’re factories are not set up for mass production and they need electronics which are sanctioned.

Frankly, any mobilisation is liable to be even more of a fiasco than war as those at the top realise that the corruption, embezzlement and hollowing out of the needed infrastructure is even worse than in the supposed “reserves” of tanks left rotting in fields and trucks with tyres over 20 years old still stamped “product of the USSR”.
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Hope this isn’t true Russian MOD supposedly reporting

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Old 7th May 2022, 17:17
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Look back to WWII....the Russians sent Infantry Troops into battle that had no Rifles.....who had to pick them up from the ground from those how had been killed or wounded.....and urged them along into advancing by placing machine-guns behind them to prevent any straggling or retreat.

All they need to do is cloth them...transport them to the front lines and force send them forward to fight or die.

Life can be awfully cheap at times.

Does Putin and his Regime have the power and Will . to do that in the current War in Ukraine?
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Old 7th May 2022, 17:50
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Originally Posted by WideScreen
I think, this is a very good analysis.

Use all the Western located old-style Russian military equipment in Ukraine to exhaust and deplete the Russian army. Then come in with a coalition of Western forces (not Nato) and roll-up the Russians in Ukraine. Potentially even take-over Moscow itself. Roll up Belarus and bring a democracy there, the people want it (in contrast to all the other Western invasions in ME/NA).

Somewhere during that process, Putin will likely die of his cancer. Which might be expedited, when the narcotics and Oxygen tubes are swapped, just before his upcoming surgery.

Putin did pull that much power to himself, there will be nobody "in-charge", when Putin dies (see the plans to have the FSB head temporary replace Putin during his surgery, instead of the legal required prime minister). As such, after Putin, nobody will be prepared to push the Nukes button (apart from the manual background process involved to extend the button push into a missile launch also refusing to act).

What an absolute pile of garbage! Do you honestly think that ANYONE will treat a "coalition of western forces" attacking Russia as anything other than NATO? Take over Moscow? Are you stark raving mad? Have you ever heard of a thing called a strategic nuclear deterrent? Well guess who has the largest example on the planet? I think that the total annihilation of the human race would be far more likely than any cancer outcome for Putin if your little insane theory/fantasy were ever to play out.

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Old 7th May 2022, 18:15
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Originally Posted by pr00ne
What an absolute pile of garbage! Do you honestly think that ANYONE will treat a "coalition of western forces" attacking Russia as anything other than NATO? Take over Moscow? Are you stark raving mad? Have you ever heard of a thing called a strategic nuclear deterrent? Well guess who has the largest example on the planet? I think that the total annihilation of the human race would be far more likely than any cancer outcome for Putin if your little insane theory/fantasy were ever to play out.
Furthermore, the notion of "setting up a democracy" is mythological BS. Supporting a democracy like Ukraine, yes, but trying set up a democracy where it does not exist and the people have demonstrated no resolve keep it, is just plain nonsense and a waste. (re: Iraq and Afghanistan, et al.)

On the other hand, in the case of supporting Ukraine itself, I don't give a flying &*$% whether Putin considers it NATO or not. In retrospect, I think western nations (e.g., USA) will be ashamed that they let Putin's threats limit our actions in support of Ukraine. I understand the caution, but Putin's words alone have delayed and diminished potential rescue of a courageous democracy with tremendous loss of life.

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Old 7th May 2022, 18:33
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It seems that "setting up a democracy" worked only once, in Japan, and it required two atomic bombs
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Hope this isn’t true Russian MOD supposedly reporting

https://twitter.com/Liam_Creed1/stat...87169270358019
No real strategic value in trying to retake such a vulnerable and insignificant outpost at this stage, so hopefully untrue.
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Old 7th May 2022, 19:06
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Reference Russian tank losses, from a professor of such matters….

To put Russian tank losses in 72 days of fighting in Ukraine into perspective--if Ukrainian claims are at all close to being accurate, the Russians have lost as many tanks as the Germans lost on the ENTIRE Eastern Front during the summer campaign of 1943. Including Kursk
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Originally Posted by macmp419
No real strategic value in trying to retake such a vulnerable and insignificant outpost at this stage, so hopefully untrue.
Ukraine have been putting manned aircraft over the place!!! Looks like the Wingman may have been fragged by his leaders bombs!!!!


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Guessing here but It is possibly strategic as it will mean they can open up the port facility again and pass between the island into Romanian waters. It would also prevent the island being used to shell Odessa.? And dependant on what they can put on it they can possibly screw up any landing forces at Odessa, probably why it was an early target.

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Old 7th May 2022, 20:59
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Originally Posted by SASless
Look back to WWII....the Russians sent Infantry Troops into battle that had no Rifles.....who had to pick them up from the ground from those how had been killed or wounded.....and urged them along into advancing by placing machine-guns behind them to prevent any straggling or retreat.

All they need to do is cloth them...transport them to the front lines and force send them forward to fight or die.

Life can be awfully cheap at times.

Does Putin and his Regime have the power and Will . to do that in the current War in Ukraine?
They also calculated the Germans maximum rate of fire, times that by the time to cross the ground, then added a couple of hundred to the figure and sent that many across, so even killing one per shot the Germans could never kill them all.
Those that failed to take positions etc were put in punishment battalions and marched at gunpoint across minefields etc, those wounded were deemed to have served the motherland.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
It is strategic as it will mean they can open up the port facility again and pass between the island into Romanian waters. It would also prevent the island being used to shell Odessa.?
Thank you Nutty, I do still think that it will be difficult to hold though.
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Western supplied high precision artillery beginning to have an effect.


Donated Mistrals coming on line too.


and Martlets being deployed


I can see the fascination in gathering information.

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Old 7th May 2022, 21:19
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Originally Posted by macmp419
Thank you Nutty, I do still think that it will be difficult to hold though.

Here you go try reading this

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...s-ukraine-war/
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Old 8th May 2022, 00:35
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Originally Posted by macmp419
No real strategic value in trying to retake such a vulnerable and insignificant outpost at this stage, so hopefully untrue.
And with russia feeding them easy kills. Just starve the russians out/off
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Old 8th May 2022, 02:01
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More Health and Safety issues

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Blimey, a Russian military expert tells them the realities of mobilisation and how bad their equipment is on Russian State TV

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Old 8th May 2022, 05:31
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Tsk tsk, I thought the rule of the road was to keep left to avoid anyone following the road in the opposite direction….

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