Is Ukraine about to have a war?
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The problem I can forsee is ammunition as the NATO standard round is a different calibre to the ammunition the Ukrainians are using in their ex Soviet tanks, that said all of NATO should be able to supply ammunition for them.
There are various version of the Leo 1, does it say which version we are talking about the -4 an -5 are the newer models
There are various version of the Leo 1, does it say which version we are talking about the -4 an -5 are the newer models

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The problem I can forsee is ammunition as the NATO standard round is a different calibre to the ammunition the Ukrainians are using in their ex Soviet tanks, that said all of NATO should be able to supply ammunition for them.
There are various version of the Leo 1, does it say which version we are talking about the -4 an -5 are the newer models
There are various version of the Leo 1, does it say which version we are talking about the -4 an -5 are the newer models

The problem I can forsee is ammunition as the NATO standard round is a different calibre to the ammunition the Ukrainians are using in their ex Soviet tanks, that said all of NATO should be able to supply ammunition for them.
There are various version of the Leo 1, does it say which version we are talking about the -4 an -5 are the newer models
There are various version of the Leo 1, does it say which version we are talking about the -4 an -5 are the newer models




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Given Germany's generally greater sensibility to political events and readiness to get out on the streets, I find this "stillness" very strange. There has been next-to-no dissent about the proposed purchase of F 35's, an extra 100 Mrd for the Bundeswehr to make it a capable force again and the raise to 2% for future military expenditure.

Useful analysis of the techniques the Russians use for shooting themselves in the foot.
https://on.ft.com/3vaGhT3
https://on.ft.com/3vaGhT3

Whilst reading around, I came across an interesting article in the Austrian paper, Der Standard.
As a neutral country , Austria currently spends 0.7% on defence, the military want this raised to 1%.
In the 90's Austria bought used Leopard 2 A4 and has currently 56: some of these are used as spare-parts stores and the running ones have the technical level of 1980 i.e. no night-vision, weak hydraulics
15 Eurofighters with no night-fighting capability ( unsure if technical or training ) thinking about buying Tranche 1 Eurofighters from GB for spares/other material, or in the medium-term buying another plane;
It really does look like the next 10 years are going to be good for Rheinmetall, BAe, Boeing, Bayraktar et al.
As a neutral country , Austria currently spends 0.7% on defence, the military want this raised to 1%.
In the 90's Austria bought used Leopard 2 A4 and has currently 56: some of these are used as spare-parts stores and the running ones have the technical level of 1980 i.e. no night-vision, weak hydraulics
15 Eurofighters with no night-fighting capability ( unsure if technical or training ) thinking about buying Tranche 1 Eurofighters from GB for spares/other material, or in the medium-term buying another plane;
It really does look like the next 10 years are going to be good for Rheinmetall, BAe, Boeing, Bayraktar et al.

It really does look like the next 10 years are going to be good for Rheinmetall, BAe, Boeing, Bayraktar et al.

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Neutral or non-aligned, I could suggest that everyone in Greater Europe (geographically) should belatedly reconsider their position in the face of Putin’s lunacy. The cork is out if the bottle for the current “Peace in our time.”

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That depends on whether the politicians have the balls to properly spank Putin and seriously degrade the threat.

Not a problem for the whole of eastern Europe, with a couple of notable and obvious exceptions, also the UK and some Scandi countries. In contrast I've seen no reports of direct military aid from the likes of France, Spain, the low countries, Italy etc. Maybe they're letting the EU do their talking?
NL - E 20 million, sniper-rifles, helmets, Manpads
Be - 3 800 tonnes fuel, 2 000 smg, 3 000 assault rifles
Italy - E 110 million gift plus unspecified military equipment
Ireland E 20 million ( noticed while searching that Ireland spends about 0.28% on defence.)+
There may be other donations, but too difficult to search everything

Skua,
Excellent article you posted from FT....proves innovation and social media can be exploited to enhance Intelligence Collection.
Ukraine military and intelligence forces seem to be thinking outside the box and benefitting from that.
Excellent article you posted from FT....proves innovation and social media can be exploited to enhance Intelligence Collection.
Ukraine military and intelligence forces seem to be thinking outside the box and benefitting from that.

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Standard Russian tactics from WW2, thanks to Zhukov. Hammer with Artillery (ground and air) and then advance, regardless of casualties. It worked in the Soviet era, but it’s a bit outdated now. Especially (in contrast to 1945) against a highly motivated, intelligent and well-led/equipped opponent. Artillery may be the King of the Battlefield, but only if the ammunition supply and personnel can get there … which seems to be a bit of a problem for RU forces.

Russkies are building up forces near the finnish border.
Although not quite sure why they are moving those coastal missile systems there.
Geolocated 50km from Finnish border.
https://www.google.com/maps/@60.7448...7i13312!8i6656
Although not quite sure why they are moving those coastal missile systems there.
Geolocated 50km from Finnish border.
https://www.google.com/maps/@60.7448...7i13312!8i6656



The Russians do not want to tangle with the Finns again especially when they are getting their Butts kicked in Ukraine!
The Russians might stick to dealing with this Hornet’s Nest they stuck their head into first.
The Russians might stick to dealing with this Hornet’s Nest they stuck their head into first.

The problem I can forsee is ammunition as the NATO standard round is a different calibre to the ammunition the Ukrainians are using in their ex Soviet tanks, that said all of NATO should be able to supply ammunition for them.
There are various version of the Leo 1, does it say which version we are talking about the -4 an -5 are the newer models
There are various version of the Leo 1, does it say which version we are talking about the -4 an -5 are the newer models
On another forum we had this same discussion. I suggested there 3 practical options for a ukrainian airforce in the mid term. As you suggest there tranche 1 eurofighters from UK and Swiss, the other options would be some of the 46 FA-18 sitting in hangers in australia, they could be regenerated as there was quite a few flying december of last year, got millions of miles and remote airbases you could train pilots and ground crew and no in the world would know. The other probably way more expensive but better long term is the Kuwaities were apparently looking for buyers for thier super hornets last year.
