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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 8th Mar 2023, 11:50
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Define what is appropriate, 60 rounds, 5 rounds or one round? chances are after the first 5 they will be dead. Up until of late Thailand used to execute people by a fixed machine gun firing a fully automatic burst of 15 rounds into the heart of the convicted.

Uniquely, Thailand used a single executioner with one stand mounted machine gun per prisoner, to put murderers and drug traffickers to death. Over 500 people were shot in Thailand between 1937, when shooting replaced beheading and October 2003, when Thailand moved to lethal injection as its sole method of execution.
All those sentenced to death there were held at Bang Kwang maximum security prison, about 20 miles outside Bangkok. The virtually soundproof execution chamber, known as the "Place to Relieve Suffering," contained two wooden crosses and two stand mounted Heckler & Koch 9mm machine guns.
Prisoners were confined in heavy leg irons from the time of sentence to the time of execution, which could be anything from a few weeks to a few years and were told of their fate only hours before they were shot.
On the day of execution, the prisoner was taken from their cell, photographed and fingerprinted. They were then taken to the execution chamber and handcuffed to a cross like wooden frame with their back to the machine gun, four meters behind them. A white cloth blindfold is applied and the hands tied with a sacred Buddhist cord. Flowers are hung from the prisoner’s hands as an offering to Buddha and a canvas screen is pulled between the condemned and the gun. A target is fixed onto the screen level with the prisoner’s heart and the gun aimed at the centre of the target. The executioner takes up his position, watching another member of the execution team who raises a red flag, and on the signal from the prison governor, the flag is dropped and the executioner fires a fully automatic burst of 15 rounds into the victim’s heart. Fourteen men and one woman faced this death during 1999. Only one execution was recorded in 2000. There were at least six in 2001 and another six in 2002 and four in 2003.
But let's not dwell on it, hopefully justice WILL BE served.

Back to the War...
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Old 8th Mar 2023, 12:20
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
Nutty, re: "Massive Russian build up in the Zaporizhzia region"

As someone pointed out, none of those tracked vehicles on the transporters had turrets. (Unless the Z-squad has run out of tank balloons.)

Oh, I'm feeling feint faint.
Well..... the MOD must be reading my posts



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Old 8th Mar 2023, 12:24
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Interesting read, but to long to post, look at the civilian casualty bar graph.

https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/...sual-explainer
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Old 8th Mar 2023, 12:46
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Humvee getting hit from onboard.

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Old 8th Mar 2023, 12:56
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Aviation Content.

The US is looking at whether they can fit AIM-120 to the Ukrainian Migs.

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Russias latest vehicles in its fight against Ukraine.

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Aviation Content.

Unfortunate view point.

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Old 8th Mar 2023, 13:25
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In these clips they are often laughing. That has to be a good sign.
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Old 8th Mar 2023, 14:30
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
In these clips they are often laughing. That has to be a good sign.
I think it's more likely to be a subconscious coping mechanism while under extreme stress.
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Old 8th Mar 2023, 16:42
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Surprise, surprise: UK gets the cold shoulder

Back at the turn of the year I predicted that having emptied its Army and supplies the UK would be warmly thanked at the end of this terrible war, bade goodbye, and the rebuilding contracts handed out to other countries, particularly Germany and France. Here we go, according to this Guardian report::

Britain’s defence industry is to be blocked from profiting from the EU’s vast increase in spending on arms for Ukraine, under a leaked plan seen by the Guardian.

A “massive order” of ammunition, ranging from small arms to 155mm artillery rounds, is being prepared in Brussels but only EU and Norwegian manufacturers will be able to take advantage. France, Germany and Italy, the home of Europe’s biggest arms manufacturers, are likely to be the biggest beneficiaries to the detriment of the UK, which is the world’s seventh largest arms exporter.

“Essentially, this is a zero-sum game and the proposal will bolster European defence industry at the costs of those outside the union,” a diplomatic source in Brussels said.
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The EU Commission only doles out what it takes in. If the UK was still a contributor we’d be paying in more than we took out.

In the circumstances better for the Treasury to let their own contracts to rearm.
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Old 8th Mar 2023, 17:25
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Originally Posted by Geriaviator
Back at the turn of the year I predicted that having emptied its Army and supplies the UK would be warmly thanked at the end of this terrible war, bade goodbye, and the rebuilding contracts handed out to other countries, particularly Germany and France. Here we go, according to this Guardian report::

Britain’s defence industry is to be blocked from profiting from the EU’s vast increase in spending on arms for Ukraine, under a leaked plan seen by the Guardian.

A “massive order” of ammunition, ranging from small arms to 155mm artillery rounds, is being prepared in Brussels but only EU and Norwegian manufacturers will be able to take advantage. France, Germany and Italy, the home of Europe’s biggest arms manufacturers, are likely to be the biggest beneficiaries to the detriment of the UK, which is the world’s seventh largest arms exporter.

“Essentially, this is a zero-sum game and the proposal will bolster European defence industry at the costs of those outside the union,” a diplomatic source in Brussels said.
In which case, the EU may be breaking it's own rules https://europa.eu/youreurope/busines...s/index_en.htm and https://www.gov.uk/guidance/transpos...ent-directives
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Old 8th Mar 2023, 17:33
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Ultimate Karma?

You are wearing body armor in a warzone. You spot abandoned Macbook. You want Macbook. Where to hide it? With quick reflexes a Russian soldier slid that Macbook into his chest armor pocket, replacing a ballistic plate designed to save his life.

He was killed in Irpin, and his body was retrieved, providing a hearty laugh for all of Ukraine. 'Instant Karma' They reportedly found a stolen iPad as well. Wonder where the iPad was hidden?
https://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2022-03.html
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Originally Posted by golfbananajam
Defence spending is a specific exception to usual tendering rules. It can be limited to national suppliers if desired..
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And yet 60 odd AK12/74 (M-Nagant?) rounds go through the guy, simultaneously.... from 2 different grassy knolls. That was premeditated. If I'm on the jury, (please) that isn't going to be a 12 angry men moment for Janes dad....
The really horrible result of all these apparent war crimes is that it is making increasingly difficult for Russia to back down. Any sort of "peace" agreement would almost certainly include some accountability for all the apparent Russian war crimes - something that Putin and his cronies can ill afford.
Lacking any sort of graceful way out, it means Russia has to overrun Ukraine - and declare its own peace with a middle finger to the rest of the world - or die trying.
That last part being particularly scary, since it could easily mean the use of nukes.
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Originally Posted by Geriaviator
Back at the turn of the year I predicted that having emptied its Army and supplies the UK would be warmly thanked at the end of this terrible war, bade goodbye, and the rebuilding contracts handed out to other countries, particularly Germany and France. Here we go, according to this Guardian report::

Britain’s defence industry is to be blocked from profiting from the EU’s vast increase in spending on arms for Ukraine, under a leaked plan seen by the Guardian.

A “massive order” of ammunition, ranging from small arms to 155mm artillery rounds, is being prepared in Brussels but only EU and Norwegian manufacturers will be able to take advantage. France, Germany and Italy, the home of Europe’s biggest arms manufacturers, are likely to be the biggest beneficiaries to the detriment of the UK, which is the world’s seventh largest arms exporter.

“Essentially, this is a zero-sum game and the proposal will bolster European defence industry at the costs of those outside the union,” a diplomatic source in Brussels said.

are you saying that this is another thing we should have thought of before submitting Art 50?
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Old 8th Mar 2023, 19:41
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Nothing Russia would do surprises me anymore and without Moscow and St Petersburg one feels there would be no Russia, the whole place would simply collapse.
They come across as arrogant, backward and as thick as pig****, go look at the parallel thread in jet blast, I posted a thread of a Siberian hostel that had been modernised to include a flushing toilet… wow you might think, progress, well yes, but it’s mounted up against the wall in the Kitchen! So the next time someone tells them lunch tastes of sh*te, it may well be…
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Originally Posted by Geriaviator
Back at the turn of the year I predicted that having emptied its Army and supplies the UK would be warmly thanked at the end of this terrible war, bade goodbye, and the rebuilding contracts handed out to other countries, particularly Germany and France. Here we go, according to this Guardian report::

Britain’s defence industry is to be blocked from profiting from the EU’s vast increase in spending on arms for Ukraine, under a leaked plan seen by the Guardian.

A “massive order” of ammunition, ranging from small arms to 155mm artillery rounds, is being prepared in Brussels but only EU and Norwegian manufacturers will be able to take advantage. France, Germany and Italy, the home of Europe’s biggest arms manufacturers, are likely to be the biggest beneficiaries to the detriment of the UK, which is the world’s seventh largest arms exporter.
Well, given we've retained very little ability to produce ammo outside of our small 'just in time needs' it doesn't really matter, as there's no point giving contracts to make stuff that we can't make.
BAe only let the old ROF Radway Green, for mall arms ammo production, the site is owned by a Korean investment group!
With the Govt spending the last 40 years demonising civilian shooting, there is basically little to no UK commercial ammo production outside of 20g and 12g game/sporting ammo, and Eley's .22rf that could be turned over to other stuff in times of need either.
Even the NRA have to get their 7.62 match ammo supplies from GGG in Lithuania.
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Old 8th Mar 2023, 20:14
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At least western governments aren't spending time, money and resources on this type of nonsense.


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