Gulf Air Developments

[ironbutt57]

Well...I didn't quite make 36 years..but expected nothing, and got nothing except my indemnity check...and a headache from some **** in HR who couldn't be bothered to be at his desk and return my passport in a timely fashion..I enjoyed my decade there...but left when the time was ripe...

[Gordomac]

RBM & IB, greetings. Just when I thought I had got over it, your posts have me heading for the Jack & Coke already ! I only did 17 years but was ignored by the rotters (my so-called Bosses) who had red faces, were all in "meetings" & the complete twerp in HR who had me waiting outside his Office for three hours while deciding if - pay in lieu of notice - was legal ! I left but told his equally inept Secretary that I would return next morning at 9.am with TWO lawyers & expected my pink piece of paper to be signed. It was. What a nasty taste in the mouth we left with when in simplicity, it could have been so much better. It's called "Management". A talent they never had & never will.

Way back in BA on the tripot, last flight for a terrific Skipper, we were met by the CEO ! He called the Captain, er, Captain. Captain called him "Mr Chairman". All the crew lined up to greet Mr Chairman & waved goodbye as the Captain was whisked off to the Board-room for all sorts of goodies. We went off to the Vanners for a few drinks before heading off home. Now, THAT is class.

Damn, I even had to buy my own Retirement watch after being stitched up & booted out of GF ! Got to play drums at the Rock'N'Zee on my last night though !

But, forget all the inept, incompetent wasters (pardon the pun). Were it not for WASTA they would never had made it into the lefthand seat of a cherokee ! Look back at the good times we had on the Line . Fills me with pride & joy. Vindicates my reasoning for never going anywhere near the Pink Palace unless I had to ( usually for a dressing down by RBM.).

Was "My Airline my Country" the Burk with a Golden Falcon Tatooed on his posterior ? - ( no really, there was such a chap-I am told !) ! Think only of the good times. The bad thoughts will give you ulcers ! Cheers good people.

[ironbutt57]

Gordo...float some Coke on top of a glass of Jack, and listen to Air Supply..."Just when I thought I was over you":}:}

[thegypsy]

As there would appear to be no further developments at Gulf Air perhaps the name of the thread should renamed:confused:

Any suggestions as to what it should be would be welcomed:ugh:

[Albergineman]

Since I started it few years back, I suggest it to be renamed Gulf Air Degradation or Gulf Air Degeneration, to name a few...

:ugh:

[Albergineman]

With Gulf Air not expecting its first Boeing 787s to arrive until at least 2016, the airline is focusing on its efforts on developing its Airbus A330 fleet.
The Bahraini flag carrier operates six A330-200s and will take three ex-Middle East Airlines A330-200s next year on eight-year operating leases from International Lease Finance.
The carrier is seeking four additional A330s as an interim replacement for some of its A340-300s, and sent a request for proposals to lessors earlier this year. "We have offers on the table and we will announce our decision next month," says Gulf Air chief strategy officer Tero Taskila.
Gulf Air has orders for 20 A330-300s and 24 787s. The latter will be the core of its future widebody fleet, with the A330s being taken as bridge aircraft. Taskila says Gulf Air is hoping to take four A330s on six- to eight- year operating leases but lessors are now offering 10-year leases.
Gulf Air has a growth requirement of three-to-four widebodies a year during the next five years as it growing its network from 43 destinations to 60 by 2013.

And we are in 2013 with 26 aircraft including six rotten wide-bodies...

[mkdar]

Hi

May I suggest a LIKE button for the posts, same as in FB ?!

I don’t know, I think it would be nice.

[Landflap]

Boiler; You don't say which Dept you were in. Any ex-pat pilots left ? However, sorry to learn that your departure was as unpleasant as it was for many of us. The reason we were all ignored was because of the "loss of face" syndrom. These guys just cannot face up to it. Gypsey ; no need for a new thread. GF may, yet develop but we all know in which direction. Perhaps we should first visit the "Where Are They Now " forum for information !

[Panama Jack]

Interesting:

Gulf Air outlines its role in Saudi domestic airline licences
Posted 21 August 2013

Gulf Air has issued a statement today clarifying its position on the licenses issued by the General Authority of Civil Aviation of Saudi Arabia (GACA) to operate domestic services within the Kingdom.

Gulf Air said it did not bid and has not been awarded domestic traffic rights to operate in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The airline’s involvement is in a consultative capacity only to the Al Qahtani Group, a consortium of privately owned companies based in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Accordingly, Gulf Air’s name and brand remain independent of the venture.

An initial contract signed last year appointing Gulf Air in an advisory role to support the Al Qahtani Group’s bid for national traffic rights in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has concluded with the consortium being awarded one of the two licenses. A second consulting agreement between Gulf Air and the Al Qahtani Group is currently being negotiated whereby Gulf Air will support the Al Qahtani Group in obtaining its Saudi Arabian Air Operator’s Certificate.

Gulf Air said it has been operating to Saudi Arabia for over 63 years, amassing extensive operational and logistical knowledge of the Kingdom. As such, the national carrier is in a position to support Al Qahtani obtain its Air Operator’s Certificate and further facilitate its entrance into the market.


Arabian Aerospace - Gulf Air outlines its role in Saudi domestic airline licences (http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/gulf-air-outlines-its-role-in-saudi-domestic-airline-licences.html)

[BLSA]

340 is coming back.....:}:}:}

[thegypsy]

Gordomac

Dust off those A340 Manuals:D

[mauro delpiero]

BLSA,
Did you hear this from a reliable source? I haven't heard this rumor yet.

[ironbutt57]

better dust off those 340's first...sounds like an expensive proposition...

[BLSA]

Mauro, heard they are working on an all-y interior for some "high density" routes:E

[Albergineman]

Boeing (the real owner) leased it to Turkish Airways.

:ok:

[BLSA]

Why the famous rumour about going down to 16 aircrafts is not here yet?:E By the way according to the "birdies" it is spread by our CEO:rolleyes:

[DesertHawk]

well apparently the company is stable for 2013. Which is amusing. They announce they will not have more cuts for pilots in 2013 but hey who knows about 2014???

Simple as this. If they weren't planning or expecting more changes they would offer more then a 1 year contract. Its he shortest contract I could find on the net!!!

[BLSA]

They r offering 1 yr contract to the people on 6mnths contracts:-) They r not trying to attract anyone in so far:-)

[DesertHawk]

my point is an airline that offers a current employee a 1 year extension is wandering aimlessly in the night.

[12mp]

Seriously?

[EK2EYengineer]

Sooooooooooooo deafening quiet.

[Che Guevara]

Where have all the pilots gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the pilots gone?
Long time ago

Where have all the pilots gone?
Gone to Qatar every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

PS- didn't mention the E word for technical reasons...

[ironbutt57]

Where's the "like"button for Che's post!!

and...it ain't over yet...

"so sad...so sad...it's a sad sad situation...sorry seems to be the only word"...

............................or........................

"we've only just begun"

[LNAV VNAV -]

Well, apparently we are short of manpower in October!

[Soft Altitude]

Well, one third of the month is gone already, still only doing 50-ish hours a month and some skippers on forced leave ... Not really short of manpower methinks. Attrition seems to be part of the plan ...

[LNAV VNAV -]

who is on forced leave? I went twice through the whole A320 captains roster today and didn't see anyone of forced leave.

[Mephistopheles]

A very strong & reliable rumor is going around that at the highest levels ditching Gulf Air is once again a very possible outcome since our mighty CEO has told the powers that be that GF cannot be saved even with all his efforts & vast experience(?). Unfortunately for all of us, the powers above truly think Mr M & M is the man for the job!

[Che Guevara]

Rumour has it a 320 went to London yesterday?

[Che Guevara]

Was that with or without bags?:ugh:

[Phantom Driver]

Completely off current topics, en rte Guangzhou yesterday (via Yangoon and Kunming) and following GF 15 something (blocking our requested level). Asked him where he was headed; said "Manila".

Is this a normal GF routeing? I know there's a cyclone brewing in Bay of B, but it was miles away ; this China route would be rather costly en rte MNL?!

(for the uninformed, normal rte from Gulf is via BKK area).

Just curious.

[Che Guevara]

You are right, the normal route is further South, however perhaps the Super Typhoon /Category 5 Hurricane in the Bay of Bengal might have had something to do with it?
Sorry you missed your level.

[Phantom Driver]

Thanks for info.
Sorry you missed your level.
Not a problem. Plenty of extra gas loaded for China surprises; sop:ok:

[Mephistopheles]

Phantom, regrading the flight to MNL. We quite often do fly the northern route (over China & HK) when there are favorable tail winds. It does actually work out a little cheaper-can't remember by how much but every $ saved...

[FPA]

i Actually remember , once i flew over china, hong kong, we did Bah , Manilla
with a flight time 7,37 , which is record, tailwind all the way about 150 kts+
On the way back we flew over BKK and then south over port blair to avoid the jet, flight time over 10 hours

[Calmcavok]

?Oman Air studies move to 50-strong fleet by 2017 (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/oman-air-studies-move-to-50-strong-fleet-by-2017-391906/)

Imagine! What a thought!

[Che Guevara]

Why not? Huge potential for up-market tourism just waiting to be tapped!
I wish them all the best.

[ironbutt57]

The future Arabian riviera...miles of beaches...mountain oasis', excellent deep sea fishing/diving...for sure the best place for outdoor activities in the region...and a short morning's drive to Dubai if blowing your wallet in the malls is your taste..fantastic place!:ok:

[Calmcavok]

I agree, it's a great place and a good plan. My sarcastic tone was based on the first sentence of the report:

Oman Air is evaluating plans to accelerate its near-term growth as part of efforts to move into profitability.

Whlch is completely opposite to the sorry state of affairs at GF.

[ironbutt57]

Some things are unlikely to happen....profitability is one of many...

[LNAV VNAV -]

Are you suggesting that they are going to hire DEC (i.e. expats) because they want to get rid of expats? :confused:

[Che Guevara]

Someone fail their interview?

[vfenext]

I'm guessing the spelling test didn't go too well.

[BLSA]

Someone fail their interview?
Guess smbdy is pissed off now:rolleyes:

[ironbutt57]

Remember what they told you their primary concern was during the interview...it's glaringly obvious in your posts here they might have had a genuine concern...

[LNAV VNAV -]

Heard they need 20-25 DECs.

[JOB HUNTER]

Hi all,

Anybody knows if they need F/o's ?

Tks for any news

[AeroForce]

No need for F/O's. Over a 100 Bahraini's waiting for S/O positions. DECs are a temporary solution (2 year renewable contract) mainly to fill the gaps left by experienced captains leaving for greener pastures. The country and company are aiming for Bahrainisation.

[slowjet]

They have been aiming for the last twenty years. And, slowly, but surely, destroyed the company in the process.

[T O G A Boy]

This airline is a true joke. Not a single competitive manager to run the show. Trying to cover up for their huge f$$k up by having experienced lads leave and now blame the whole pilot shortage on the locals failing their command assessments or interview. Get a life folks and as long as your lucrative ideas are lining up your fat wallets, screw everything else. Milk the company dry while you can cause no where in a decent and properly run company would you dream of holding such titles and positions

[ironbutt57]

Gulf Air to hire cabin crew in Dubai on Friday - Emirates 24/7 (http://www.emirates247.com/news/emirates/gulf-air-to-hire-cabin-crew-in-dubai-on-friday-2013-11-07-1.527239)

[LNAV VNAV -]

Also hiring DECs now!

[South Prince]

Where is the application link?

[Ion-athan]

Leave cancelation and annual leave reduction for 2014 due to crew shortage. Every year the same story. Morale is really low. People are getting sick and tired with incompetence of the people running the show.

People think again when applying here.
Don't get me wrong. Place is great. Company is screwing up our lives every year.

[mauro delpiero]

It looks like they have advertised for DECs. Safety standard is already pretty low. The other airlines in the region are recruiting pretty heavily so maybe we'll get the guys who were not good enough to get into ALL the other airlines in the region. That will hurt the Safety standard even more. Safety First? Not sure about the contracts these guys will be offered. Knowing gulf air they will probably open up new destinations and increase frequencies. Then a few months later close them again and reduce destinations and then they will have to fire these new guys just like they did the last time around.

[LNAV VNAV -]

''Leave cancelation and annual leave reduction for 2014 due to crew shortage. Every year the same story. Morale is really low. ''

Morale was low last year when the company was cancelling destinations and making people redundant. Now the company is starting new destinations and wants to hire people. Sure, everyone is upset that they are cancelling leave, especially since it was soooo predictable that this would happen after last year's panic! But morale is much higher now than last year. At least for people who haven't failed a command upgrade! :E

[Landflap]

Command failures indicate that the company is not willing to compromise on standards, particularly when there is a developing crew shortage. One hopes, however, that the DEC standards are not compromised either. Nothing worse than a Command failure flying with a poor standard DEC. That really hurts, I guess !

[BLSA]

Hope that the "standard" of the DECs this time at least will be checked on a simulator:rolleyes: Not how it was last time:ugh::ugh: And then during a long event the guy can note cope with an engine failure after t/o, and got sacked after:}:}:}

[Landflap]

Yes. Guilty of double standards. One for upgrades and another for DEC. The very scenario I suggested would damage the mindset of Company First Officers coming up for Commands. At least they sacked him. Once again, one witnesses the knee jerk re-action by managers who, simply, cannot manage. Upgrading is a specialist field & one that I was involved with for decades. Direct entry recruitment is, also, very specialised. Very important to get both right. My company tried very hard to explain this in both areas and tried to avoid the situation where an upgrade failure felt that others in the LHS were more worthy in the Company eyes but less capable. The huge risk is that FO's start leaving. The very people who should be encouraged to stay. Another reminder of how bereft of managerial skill this once mighty company has become.

[Ion-athan]

Really LNAV-VNAV? You think that the people working for Gulf Air and especially FLT Deck are happy with high morale? Just because they are hiring few more people (which it is not management fault poor planing etc but the fault of the bad F/O that failed the command upgrade) and opening 3 more wonderful destinations does not bring the morale up. When you see people resigning every week morale is not high my friend. Everyone wants to go way not from beautiful Bahrain but away from lack of vision, leadership, managerial skills etc that affect our life and the life of our families in an everyday basis.

High morale is not coming to work and hear pilots complaining and not for small things that we all pilots complain for. Maybe you are a Bahraini pilot which you comfort the job security (and don't get me wrong, that's the way companies should protect their local employees) but for as expats that our job almost came to an end not too long ago and we used to say "we are next " it is not the same.
We lost friends due to the company's redundancy ridiculous plan and 8 months after while still paying the ones that kicked out we are hiring again. And maybe the day by day plan will change again and more people will be looking for a job in six months.

I don't want to be negative but since I came things are getting worst and worst. Sitting here and writing full of anger of these people affecting my life it is not healthy.

I mean come on we are suppose to be happy because they gave us unlimited swap between us? It seems that they gave us the lollipop to start sucking and by the time it finishes we will leave them in peace.

......and they lived happily ever after

[Gordomac]

Ion ; You see the potential for all this affecting your health & appear wise enough to do something. Do not let it get to the point where your health suffers.I was there on the 76 & GF could not handle the "Age over 60" stuff at the same time as the winding down of the fleet. It nearly affected my health but after lolling about on Venice beach, playing drums at the "Baked Potatoe"on Sunset Boulevard & getting a job offer to fly corporates out of Burbank, I realised that there was a much better life outside of GF. Six month & one year contracts are the joke of the century & encourage very low morale in those accepting them. Go where you are wanted. Don't stay where you are really , not. Safe flying .

[AeroForce]

I want to smoke what LNAV VNAV - has been smoking!
Ion: SPOT ON MATE!

MORALE HIGH, seriously? I'm guessing that LNAV VNAV - is one of the recent command upgrades, living on cloud 9.

Other than that I can only see people that are looking at greener pastures, Bahrainis and expats alike.

As for Landflap: some talented f/o's have been failing the command interviews, that with a little bit of tweaking would have made excellent captains. Guys with a proven track record as f/o and great marks on their assessment flights. Yet everything rides on that interview. Wouldn't one rather upgrade someone that you've known for years with a proven track record, that knows all the routes and procedures (and maybe needs a little guidance/training) than someone you didn't even bother to SIM CHECK? This narrow minded vision of our management is leaving a wake of demoralised and insulted F/o's behind it. Again with zero accountability to answer for.

Now it's just waiting for the next wave of resignations.

Happy landings,
FORCE

[T O G A Boy]

Time and Time again, we come to the same topic.....yeah you guessed it.....incompetent management and poor planning....

ION you are spot on mate. :ok:. And Lnav what destinations are you talking about. Is it Mishad or Trivanderum or what? Even if they do, they still are going to be day trips and turn arounds so you wont be so short of pilots.
We are short of pilots cause many of them left in the last 10 weeks and many more are following. :ugh::ugh:

[Landflap]

Aeroforce : If you read both my posts 5202 & 5204 , you might see that we are in agreement and also identify the very fine line I allude to. If GF have a pilot shortage, of course, they will seek to promote from within. All airlines do that. However, a slight lowering of standards is not the way forward. The maintaining of high selection standards is vital but because the casualties will be higher in number, bad vibes start to evolve. My point, in the earlier posts, was that the same high standards of selection should be applied to the DEC area. From other posts, it looks, sadly, that it was not. The result is a very low morale situation developing.

My experience has shown that there is a core division of highly admirable First Officers who do a fantastic job and have excellent track records with long service, BUT, when it comes down to the wire, make poor command decisions or worry the assessors for different reasons. Motivation, personal qualities etc. Often, the Command interviewers will be left with quizical concerns. Most wide re-action I ever encountered was a , sort of, 'Well, that was a surprise, eh ? Didn't go too well ! Thought he would have walked it ! ' etc etc. One guy with a fabulous track record but a slight tendancy to get very easily irritated actually, when pushed, threatened to lamp all of us on the Board & walked out in a big hissy fit.

Again, all airlines have this going on & I share a little of my experience .

What GF must do is keep the standards high for both DEC recruitment and upgrade. Very fine line and seriously cosequential if you get it wrong.

[CRUIZE]

Welcome to gulf air never change, this was the best company to work for unfortunate get screwed within , same same sh. T , and they still in gf but out of management(we know who we talking about they can't get a job outside Bahrain ) ,move on,think tailwind (easterly man) and you will never regrett. good luck for those choose to stay ,

[Che Guevara]

Rumour has it that they managed to get one DEC application. Wonder why that is?

[Gordomac]

Oh c'mon Che ; Aren't you gonna tell us who that one applicant is ? Let's open a new thread; "Who's that Guy ?". Suggestions might be really amusing. No, not me. Mind you, if they extend the retirement age to 75 I am back in the ball-park. I better write to the Minister of Visas. Ok, Ok,........... forget it !

[ironbutt57]

Go for it Gordomac they need a bit of something to spice up the place...

[South Prince]

Good day all, news on recruitment? Please avoid mordacity......thank you.

[Landflap]

Got to look up the meaning of big words like that first ! Is 'joking -apart' allowed ? Loads of bitterness around, mate, if you think about it. Replies will always reflect that. Recruitment position has never been clear because left hands have no idea what right hands are doing. I was, once in the Office and heard my Fleet Capt telling someone on the phone that we were not recruiting and all positions had been filled. Picked up Flight Mag on the way home & a massive advert for pilots was amongst the back pages ! Good luck if you need a six month or one year contract.

[South Prince]

Got enough experience on left foot going different way than right foot, but perhaps some knows something reliable.

[DesertHawk]

something reliable= if u have any other options stay away. time bomb waiting to explode, where u are not really welcome anymore:)

[Che Guevara]

Rumour has it that they managed to get one DEC application. Wonder why that is?


I guess we found THE applicant then!

[South Prince]

well done che guevara, then I'm nr 2, so let's join our efforts to find the first one. :ugh:

[Landflap]

South Prince : Check your PM's. Nothing exciting or informative in my reply to your's but we all wish you well, specially as there is now two of you in direct competition !

[BLSA]

2 guys and 30 vacancies, that's a competition:E

[LNAV VNAV -]

Bahrain's Gulf Air to buy 10 CSeries jets, Bombardier confirms

Struggling Mideast airline currently uses Airbus

The Canadian Press Posted: Jun 04, 2013 1:58 PM ET Last Updated: Jun 04, 2013 1:56 PM ET

http://i.cbc.ca/1.1537841.1379041411!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/hi-gulfairrtxpj75-8col.jpg Gulf Air currently uses Airbus jets like this Airbus 320 but has put in an order for 10 CS100 jets, part of Bombardier's much-anticipated CSeries fleet of aircraft. The CS100 is to have its first flight by the end of June and become commercially available within a year. (Hamad I Mohammed/Reuters)




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Bombardier has identified Bahrain's Gulf Air as one of the customers for its CSeries, a new generation of commercial jet that will compete with some of the smaller planes offered by Airbus and Boeing.
The Middle East carrier ordered 10 CSeries CS100 aircraft in June 2011 but declined to be identified until Tuesday. It also has options for six additional planes.
The CS100, which has 110 to 125 seats, is to have its first flight (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2013/05/09/business-bombardier-cseries.html) by the end of June and is expected to enter into commercial service next year.
Bombardier announced (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2013/05/30/business-bombardier-cseries-test.html) last month that it has completed the last round of safety tests needed for the CSeries jest to get approval from Transport Canada.
Gulf Air currently operates a fleet of 26 Airbus planes but said Tuesday in a joint news release with the Montreal-based company that it's working with Bombardier Aerospace to ensure the CSeries meets the airline's goals.
The money-losing national carrier is focusing on high-yield routes that connect Bahrain businesses with regional markets.
It has has laid off more than 1,000 employees, or 15 per cent of its staff, and cut four routes since January.
Bombardier has received commitments for 388 CSeries, including 145 firm orders from eight customers.
Bombardier says it has tripled its commercial aircraft presence in the Middle East and Africa over the past four years.

[slowjet]

So, that was all six month's ago. Has the aircraft flown yet ? Are they on schedule for production (later this year-2013-nearly over) ? and when is Gf expecting to start receiving ? But, positive news is healthy reading and
we sure as hell wish this, once mighty carrier, a brighter future.

[Calmcavok]

Cheaper to buy them than get out of the contract?! Fab aircraft from the cockpit mock up mind.

So 787s next, so much for fleet commonality...

[crewmeal]

Fatal investing in brand new aircraft types. Teething troubles, delays, cancelled flights. They should invest in something tried and tested.

[T O G A Boy]

Would anyone care to elaborate on the outcome or the purpose of the so called consultation meeting held? I suppose the same proverbial on a different day.

[40&80]

Would not be surprised if the game is finally over and a liquidation of Gulf Air was discussed.

[T O G A Boy]

Now why would that not surprise me.

[Landflap]

But I thought Bombadiers & 787's are coming ?

[South Prince]

Hi there! All static here?

[Propellor]

New DFO = storm in the teacup or 4 oktas of CB?

[Che Guevara]

It's actually good news for a change!

[Gordomac]

Second that Che. By the way, after a long comms struggle, got my annual free ride with GF (thanks to all who got involved ). LCA to BAH, I have to say, was outstanding. Faultless.And I am still bitter and looking for trouble ! Return flight BAH -LCA was , again, superb. Good luck to all. It was never the ops, service delivery, standards etc. Top management skill is required from a team that is allowed to manage without interference.Will we ever see that day ?

[LNAV VNAV -]

Gulf Air preps A330 s/lb RFP
09 January 2014
Middle East carrier seeks sale lease backs for five older A330s.
Read more: Gulf Air (http://www.airfinancejournal.com/SearchResults.aspx?Keywords=Gulf+Air) A330 (http://www.airfinancejournal.com/SearchResults.aspx?Keywords=A330) rfp (http://www.airfinancejournal.com/SearchResults.aspx?Keywords=rfp) sale leaseback (http://www.airfinancejournal.com/SearchResults.aspx?Keywords=sale+leaseback)




Gulf Air is preparing a sale lease back on five A330s. The carrier is rumoured to be interested in...

[PanAmFalcon]

surprisingly,that's good to hear but at the same time,no one would be ready to commit to this airbus 330 lease back transaction since the aircraft are set to be retired 4 years from now.This deal mainly catches interest if the aircraft is fairly new but it tends to fall apart if the aircraft is close to its retirement age.It is a good cost effective idea since it looks good on the balance sheet and has other useful advantages that may not hurt the carrier .But as always,the price expectation is much higher from Gulf Air's side which made the 340 so unattractive.That being said,I hope that you have conceptualized the fact that the carrier will remain since top Bahraini officials have gone out of their way to ensure that the carrier would continue to exist even though it was much easier to hit the reset button.The airline is being captained by a certain well known consultant group while the acting CEO is placed to stabilize and root out the internal political corruption which has always been the root cause of the failure of every semi solid strategy that Gulf Air has gone through in the past decade.I believe that I have spilled too much information for now but my main purpose is to stress on the fact that the current plan seem to be more solid and from what I can tell,there will not be anymore redundancy schemes in a long time.
That being said,don't expect any major expansion plans to take place until the end of the decade.

[ironbutt57]

SaudiGulf to take up to 26 CSeries - 1/16/2014 - Flight Global (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/saudigulf-to-take-up-to-26-cseries-394914/)

there we have it.....

[PanAmFalcon]

SaudiGulf to take up to 26 CSeries - 1/16/2014 - Flight Global (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/saudigulf-to-take-up-to-26-cseries-394914/)

there we have it.....
Hope that doesn't mean that Gulf Air will be giving up on being the launch customers of the C series..
Speaking of which,the Saudi license was infact to be acquired by Gulf Air but a bright old Jordanian CEO thought it would be wise to take a more minor role in the Saudi market :ugh:

[Che Guevara]

Hope that doesn't mean that Gulf Air will be giving up on being the launch customers of the C series..

I think that is exactly what it means.

[PanAmFalcon]

Everybody hates Gulf Air:
Gulf Daily News » Local News » Gulf Air to reduce losses by BD10m (http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?storyid=370497)

Alcohol Ban
Bahrain to ban alcohol at airport, on flights - Culture & Society - ArabianBusiness.com (http://www.arabianbusiness.com/bahrain-ban-alcohol-at-airport-on-flights-538442.html)

The 319s are cancelled
Gulf Air cancels order for two A319s - ch-aviation.com (http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/25617-gulf-air-cancels-order-for-two-a319s)



After what the RJ CEO had done,I don't blame government officials for checking in every now and then.What top aviation expert in their right mind would leave an airline where they are treated with respect to Gulf Air that fired every respected CEO for not being Arab enough.:ugh:

Alcohol ban would probably not happen..They tried to make it happen so many times
never happened.

Lastly,319s aren't a good fit for the airline anyhow.So good riddance!
Lets keep the discussion going !:ok:

[Mike.Park]

With the government dictating flight routes and parliament moaning about the ethnicity of top management, is it any surprise that nobody wants to be CEO at Gulf Air?

"For 12 months we have been searching for a chief executive officer, but no one wants to work [at Gulf Air] because experts don't want interference from the government or parliament in their work, and despite assurances, no one is willing to accept the job," he was quoted as saying.

"Top Bahraini experts have been approached, but they too refused to accept, because they don't want to be powerless and want to be real decision makers.”


Source: ArabianBusiness
(http://www.arabianbusiness.com/minister-confesses-no-one-wants-gulf-air-ceo-job--538517.html)

[Calmcavok]

One of the above articles mentioned GF is now a dry airline. Is this true?!?!? :sad:

[Gulfstreamaviator]

Going IN to Bahrain..........


glf

[Mephistopheles]

Congratulations to the GF A320 Captains for getting the recognition they deserve from the management for all their hard work by having even MORE leave robbed from them due to the complete & total incompetence of the Ops Management team.
My heart goes out to you guys.
22 days robbed due to the "unforeseen" shortage(even the the guys that wash the cars could have told them early 2013 that we were going to be short.)
When will the people responsible for these monumental screw ups be given the boot?

[Landflap]

Never. Because they 'know people' ! Not what you know but who you know is written in blood in GF !

[ironbutt57]

The bright side is.....those leave days are nice o have in the bank if/when you decide to leave...and to be fair, the usual "whipping boy" isn't to blame for this one, he tried in vain to keep from sacking the crew, because he foresaw this very scenario...

[PanAmFalcon]

It's a decade old cycle...with 2 more regional airlines opening up (would most likely be operating 320s),more may soon leave:E

[slowjet]

Ironbutts57 : that is exactly the point made in countless posts on this mighty thread. The 'Manager' foresaw this particular problem but was not permitted to stop the sackings . So, who exactly countered the move ? Who exactly is now responsible for the shortage. We all know the answers and yet again, Managers not allowed to Manage is the core issue.

[ssflyer]

"One of the above articles mentioned GF is now a dry airline. Is this true?!?!?"
About as dry as the Falcon Gold lounge in LHR and Bahrain! Or the shared Oman Air /Gulf lounge in Dubai.
Had two recent sectors in FG -
LHR/BAH, great food and drink,cheerful FA's,crappy old A330. Fizz flowed
BAH/DXB, again great service from the FA's, new A320,Fizz flowed
SS

[ironbutt57]

Not dry, never will be...just some delusional people voting it should be:ugh:...I can vote Chuck Norris for president....It ain't gonna happen:}

[PanAmFalcon]

Gulf air still has a few resources but they can't get back up without a proper CEO given a free hand without stirring in politics in the business..If the airline doesn't pick up by the end of the decade,there would be no room for Gulf Air in the region.:sad:

[PanAmFalcon]

In other news,Gulf Air isn't the Bombardier C series launch customer anymore.The orders are delayed and might get transferred to another airline.No news about the flights to Moscow yet sadly.

[T O G A Boy]

Anybody attended the Pilot Meeting?

Would love to find out what was discussed, if anything proactive and beneficial :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[PanAmFalcon]

Bahrain’s Gulf Air could be a prospective bidder for acquiring 26% shares of Pakistan International Airlines that the government wanted to sell to strategic investors, said Ismail.
Gulf Air of Bahrain might bid for 26% shares of PIA (http://defence.pk/threads/gulf-air-of-bahrain-might-bid-for-26-shares-of-pia.304691/)


Would like to see how that turns out

[Che Guevara]

How exciting, then we could have a base in Peshawar!:ugh:

[Airmann]

These days there are fewer bombs exploding in Peshawar than in Bahrain. :O

[PanAmFalcon]

It would give gulf air an edge in the pakistan market.With that,they will be able to do expand...Possibly a good decision made in years!

[DesertHawk]

still surprises me that people think a CEO will make any difference. If GF gets a credible CEO he will come to the same conclusion EVERY logical person already knows. GF can not compete and will lose money as the regional competitors have made an unrealistic market. The ONLY thing that will save GF is the government admitting they need it and stepping up and treating it like their flag carrier. But on that end Bahrain is in way too much turmoil to stand together and support the carrier that started aviation in the ME! SAD

[Radar Contact]

Looks like we will be getting 2 A321's very soon that were not taken initally. and alsoo COO confirms 787 and A320 NEO in 2018 the latter tor eplace our current a320's

[LNAV VNAV -]

Is it true that we are starting Domodedovo?

[BLSA]

Straight after Prague:E

[PanAmFalcon]

There have been some studies regarding Domodedovo but everyone is awaiting for a CEO to do something..:bored:

[BLSA]

PanAm everybody is waiting for CEO to do smthng for a long time now:E

[BLSA]

321s are here:) What next? :}

[Che Guevara]

What next? Pilots to fly them perhaps....

[LNAV VNAV -]

Cancel more leave perhaps? :eek:

[mauro delpiero]

where are they going to fly them too? its not like they are "short" of airplanes at the moment.

[PanAmFalcon]

More Destinations would open up soon.However,I believe that the 321s will be stored away/sold off.

[ironbutt57]

What makes you think that PanAm Falcon?

[PanAmFalcon]

It's the main talk going around. 60% from what has been planned and 40% speculations.You see,there have been talks with "what to do with the new 321s" and "how does Russia Sound" around.Just put 2 and 2 together

Either way,it's all up in the air for now.The airline lacks vision,which is a bigger issue than it seems...:E

[Che Guevara]

The airline lacks vision,which is a bigger issue than it seems...

Something like 'empty field myopia' rings a bell.

[ferris]

Your marketing people are spruiking........

Athens!

I had to check it wasn't dated April 1.

[BLSA]

Athens is confirmed:ok: to start in mid june:)

[mauro delpiero]

quick visit to gulfair.com

bah - athens
june 16th

these are the results i got

09:35 13:05 GF941
18:00 19:45 GF5536 (operated by cyrpus airways)

[Che Guevara]

320s to LHR next month apparently.....:ugh:

[BLSA]

Gulf Air in May and June 2014 is adjusting operations on Bahrain – London Heathrow route, which sees Premium 2-class Airbus A320 aircraft operating, instead of Airbus A330-200. Planned A320 operations as follow.

GF003/006
May 2014: 01 – 02, 04, 09 – 13, 17, 21, 24 – 27, 29

GF007/008
30JUN14 – 10JUL14 Day 14

GF007 BAH0115 – 0625LHR EQV D
GF003 BAH1010 – 1520LHR EQV D

GF002 LHR1000 – 1835BAH EQV D
GF006 LHR2205 – 0640+1BAH EQV D

As i understood due to A330 reconfiguration:)

[Albergineman]

Wow, resuming Athens!

Gulf Air is returning to its glorious days...

So cute!

[LNAV VNAV -]

And yet on the Gulf Air site for July it shows the flight to be via Larnaca. :ugh:

It's as if they don't want to sell the flight!

[Che Guevara]

Now for the important stuff.

What's the latest on the Indemnity?

[BLSA]

Whats wrong with indemnity? :} I think it is still the same, basic only without any other allowances:8

[ironbutt57]

Basic+appointment Pay (if any)

[BLSA]

Halas, no more appointment pay (if any):}

[Che Guevara]

Whats wrong with indemnity? I think it is still the same, basic only without any other allowances

So I guess theire is something wrong with the indemnity after all....
Without the appointment pay, to those entitled to it, it means a loss of something between 2000-10000 dinars, depending how long the person has been here

[Landflap]

This has always been a problem guys & vented many times on previous pages. GF has never complied with the Bahrain Labour Laws by paying, only, basic. Most find this out when they leave or are chucked out. In order to get your final cheque, you sign a disclaimer accepting that all is correct & you will not, under any circumstances make further claims, in settlement. Gotcha ! If you complain, your three days to get out are compromised. Since your Res Visa & work Permit are pulled (almost immediately), technically, you have no time to pursue. GF have got away with this for decades.

[ironbutt57]

If a claim is filed in labor court, the sponsor is required to keep you legally on the island until such claim is settled...witnessed that personally with a former colleague at a previous employer....fortunately I didn't experience any discrepancies on my terminal benefits...sad to hear they have apparently taken the low road..

[Landflap]

IB, can you immagine Gulfair legally keeping a former employee on the Island while it defends a claim. Would they pay all hotac/accommodation expenses etc ? Would they pay a retainer ? What visa status ? A bit of a joke, I suggest. But, glad you got away with all benefits. Did you get basic plus ALL allowances per month, multiplied by years service ? Congrats if you did because it would be a first. They paid me & all colleagues known to me only basic . BLSA is correct. Allowances were not included. When pointing out that they were in breach of Bahrain Labour Laws they would often say....................."ok, sue us !". They certainly did not suggest keeping one on the island whilst the claim was pursued or even offer it as a possibility. Most leave with less than they calculated and a sour taste in the mouth. Great shame.

[ironbutt57]

When similar occurred to a mate of mine not at GF..of course the company didn't put him up but they were unable to cancel his visa or deport him in any othe fashion..when he won the case the employer was required to pay his salary for the 18 months during the case, and the amount of separation pay originally claimed...had that person been unsuccessful in their suit, then tough beans for him...

[Landflap]

Thanks IB. Not many could afford the luxury of risking even a few months. Good on him. I think there was a case in GF where someone was successful in suing for the Housing allowance aspect of things .....after.....he had left the island . But, might be hearsay.

[PanAmFalcon]

Losses went down by 52%, deliveries of 787's and 320's will starts in 4 years and new destinations will open up in the summer.Conditions are not ideal but hey, GF is recovering from the Majali era pretty well!

[ironbutt57]

It aint Majali, or any other expat that put GF where it was...

[lonelyplanet]

Hi all,

I have been offered an interview with gulf air beginning of July. Anyone could let me know about total package, how much can I expect each month as a PIC A320?
from what I read nobody can tell about the future of the airline..so I won't ask.
What about life in Bahrein with a family?
I dont want to go to Dubai or Abu dhabi.

Thanks in advance.
Regards.

[Soft Altitude]

Hello Lonely planet,

go to the interview and get the job, you will not regret it.

As a new joiner, expect to make between 4200 to 4800 BHD which is around 7600 to 8700 eur roughly, tax free, all inclusive, any amount higher than that could be reached if you become an Instructor or if you have good connections with rostering.

Expect to have excellent ID travel benefits, 48 days of leave and salary that lands on your account every 28th of the month infallibly for the last couple of decades.

Housing allowance is good, could be better though, but still enough to get you a very high standard 3 bedroom flat or even a villa in a secured compound in the western part of Bahrain. If you want a villa on the beach or on a canal, you will be looking at 850 to 1200 BHD rent monthly.

Schooling options for kids are limited and the allowance covers only part of the schooling fees, as per my colleagues who are dealing with this issue.

Life in Bahrain is easy going and the Bahrainis are very friendly and forthcoming, they will go the extra mile to help you settle down and attend to your queries. A very friendly atmosphere all in all, most of the expat families are very happy to live in Bahrain and Bahrain is by far the best place to live in the Gulf: No flashy skyscrapers or multibillion malls or all sorts of restrictions at every corner, just very nice cozy places to gather with families and friends.

Operations wise, just like many other airlines, you ll find amazing colleagues and excellent operators as well as younger colleagues with substandard home upbringing and mucho attitude. The SOP standards are quite high and again, during your training and subsequent re-checks, people are there to check you but to help you as well, if needed.

Once on line, expect a lot of back of the clock sectors, a lot of sectors actually, which will not land you a lot of hours though, count about 58 to 65 hrs monthly, bear in mind that after a series of long nights, your days off will mostly be "sleeping" days, again, unless you make good relationship with rostering as there is big dog fight going on these days for who is going to do the very few European destinations the A320 flies to, as these are nice and easy sectors that bring a lot of hours and hence more dough .

Rumors are that we are getting 787s, additional 320s and so on and so forth, stories that we've heard already many times before, my point is :
don't expect to fly a wide body anytime soon.

Cant think of anything more.

Fire away if you have additional questions and hopefully welcome to the Pearl of the Gulf.

Over

[Landflap]

SA, nice post but a bit one sided. I mean, why did everyone (except those who were stuck) leave ?? I actually agree with everything you said but the bad was very bad. Cross anyone and you are in the deepest poo immaginable. Why is it that quite a few are still looking over their shoulders. I admit, that is probably true of any ex-pat situation. THEN, there is the continuing political unrest. C'mon. give the guy the WHOLE picture and let him come to a reasoned decision. You make it sound irresistable !! It isn't.

[BLSA]

SA, wooow, are we working in a same airline???:}
Once again it depends where r u coming from, GF is not the worst place neither it is the best one, by far:))))

[Soft Altitude]

Gents ... and Ladies,

Before I started my reply to Lonelyplanet, I gave it a bit of a thought as to what a new joiner, as I was one myself many years ago, expects initially from an airline he is joining ... Also, I stuck to the fact that Lonelyplanet does not necessarily wants to know where this airline is heading, as he states it himself.

However, Both of you ( BLSA and Landflap ) are right and yes I omitted a few things that are, or were bad, as they might not necessarily affect a new joiner ... so, here are then a few additional ( negative ) points I'd like to share :

There has been a bit of an injustice to quite a few of our colleagues in the recent past, and those had to leave or left on their own accord.

As far as the political situation and unrests are concerned, I can't recall of any one of the fellow pilots who were or are now directly affected by it, they were rather affected by the downsizing of the airline, but then again, those affected by the downsizing, left with a lump sum in their pockets that makes a decade old seniority end of service indemnity look like a joke ! Therefore, at this stage, politics should not be of a concern.

It is very difficult ( for an expat, unless he or she is somehow connected to the management ) to predict where GF is heading and that has been the subject of many previous posts on this thread, as it turns out so far, not even the management knows, or at least they are hiding it well.

GF used to be an airline that one would choose for building up a career: joining on A320, getting A330/340 rating on the house after a short while and even command upgrade, but not any more. There was no pay raise for the last 7 years although the overall cost of living has increased significantly in Bahrain and currently career progression prospects are close to zero for someone in the higher mid seniority.
Still, in my opinion, GF is a good option for several years to come or as a transition to a better option.

This is how I see things at this moment and I hope I corrected my
"one-sidedness" Landflap.

Of course, I stand to be argued upon my views, that's what a forum is all about, I guess ...

Cheers all and happy flying wherever you are

Soft Altitude Out

[Phantom Driver]

SA

Nice to see some positive things to say about GF for a change. Always thought they outweighed the negative. Every airline has good/bad points and GF is no different. Fond memories .

[DesertHawk]

Just to add my 2 cents in. Firstly be sure to understand 4200 a month is not what a new joiner will make as a DEC. More like 3800BD then u have to pay for a place to live. Was bringing home on average approx 3200 after housing.(lowest in the region) but u will be paid.

Yes nice place to live for sure. To say its the best in the region is very limited view that i find only comes from people that don't or can't leave. Is a good place in many ways but so are the other options. From someone who has lived in more then one place I find Bahrain was limiting but enjoyable.

Rostering will be an absolute joke. You will find yourself constantly checking your system as changes are hourly. Absolutely no planning for your life. Not saying 320 anywhere else is way better(except qatar) but GF is by far the worst rostering system/mentality in the region. PS don't expect 48 days leave. every year it get cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances:) but same people in charge of that :ok:

Colleagues are great. Simple as that. Yes some younger guys are different but its all the same everywhere. In the end cockpit environment is good and everyone just gets the job done! that is a bonus

As far as the political situation to say no one was effected is very narrow minded! Driving through road blocks watching kids throw moltav cocktails are just a few of the thing i personally witnessed that nudged me out the door. Its sad as in general the people are ULTRA friendly compared to next door. If u live in Amwaj and don't ever travel to saar on weekends u will not notice. If u were there the last 3-4 years and u didn't see any effect u had blinders or BSing. Personally I found it ok but wouldn't want to expose my children to that on a long term basis(how it was at its worst i mean) and it could happen again.


All that being said:) If u need a job its a decent place. Don't expect to change anything! i mean anything! no one will listen but expect to be treated ok and be paid. It is not what it once was, and that is how I choose to remember it, good times.:ok:

[Landflap]

SOFT ALT : Thanks for a sensible addition. Nice to have reasonable debate. Have you thought of Politics as a reserve ? I would even buy a second-hand car from you ! I have to say that Bahrain DOES have flashy skyscrapers & my return visits to the Island saw me regularly enjoying the excellent Malls. Retired but doing consultancy stuff bought me back but my last trip was saddened by deserted malls, very few expats to be seen anywhere and an undertone of fear.

Your advice to the interviewee is succinct. I agree. Get the job & enjoy all the good because the good is very good indeed. Do, the job, take the pay keep your head down. Stay out of the Pink Palace & don't mess with the Senior Guys who will do ALL the nice trips while you enjoy endless DBX turnrounds.

Good luck and safe flying to all.

[me179]

Hi there,

When I check their website for ready entry FO positions, they don't mention any restrictions concerning nationality, and no experience on hrs required. Does that mean that I can apply, as a low hour pilot, when they start recruiting? I'd like to know, if anyone of you guys would know, when r they planning to start accepting CVs.

Thanks.

[Soft Altitude]

me179, I really am not aware that GF is currently recruiting F/Os, (of any nationality) and by the way, nationality has never been an issue in the recent GF recruitment past, what I know for sure is that they still have a good batch of Bahraini S/Os in the queue to get on line.
So frankly, I wouldn't be holding my breath for an interview date with GF for a F/O position.

Desert Hawk, I really did not mean to divert this subject into a political or a personal one, but cant help then bringing a bit more precision into my point.

Avoiding a few road blocks here and there, smelling tear gas every now and then and all that in quite a limited area in Bahrain doesn't mean that you lost YOUR job !
Does it ?
If you, as a GF pilot lost your job with the company after the events, it clearly means that you took a side politically, otherwise you are still happily doing your 4 sectors and "split" duties or whatever else, or you left the company on your own accord.
When I said that no one was affected by the events, I meant no one of the GF pilot population !

Also, as you are probably aware, expats are mercenaries : as long as you can fly and get paid for it, you stay. Even in the case of government change, if the company would still be offering you a job and the terms are acceptable to you, you will still stay. Doesn't mean that one shouldn't follow what is happening in the country, but one has definitely no place in putting his nose in the political affairs of the country.
You feel unsafe, leave. You are not getting paid or contracting dwindling down, leave, no one could object your decision in such a case.
By the way, many of the current expat captains, including myself got quite a few offers from the neighboring Gulf or other further away carriers, but we chose to stay for the reasons mentioned in my first post.

Regarding the salary for new joiner captains, you might be right : they are probably getting the sum you mention as a basic though, because quite a few of them are doing overtime, hence making much more dinero over the 4000 bar ! Even then, a couple hundred of Dinars difference only as a basic between a new joiner and a senior captain is still injustice towards the latter one, but I hinted about this in my first post regarding the end of service indemnity.

Cheers and safe flying

Soft Altitude out

[South Prince]

Don't need overtime to pass 4000 mark:)

[south coast]

I grew up in Bahrain, lived in Awali for 12 years until 1989, best times of my life!

Would love the opportunity to fly for GF but unfortunately don't have any Bus or Boeing time, last 9 years on bizjets in Europe.

I wonder if Awali is still as I remember, house 633b, the Bapco club, the swimming pool, the football, golf and softball club... I remember us kids playing the sport, then on our BMXs after while the parents took 'refreshments' in the relevant clubhouses.

Great days!!!

[LNAV VNAV -]

lonely planet,

with 70 block hours (i.e. no overtime) and say, 130 hours duty, a wife and two kids you would get 4500 BD.

[DesertHawk]

soft: agree no expats lost jobs due to political stuff. was not trying to imply that at all. just pointing out that it did have a direct effect on life in bahrain.

[Che Guevara]

Is GF still operating to Peshawar?

[DesertHawk]

i would assume 4500-700 for housing + 3800(take home). unless u got massive pay increase:)

[lonelyplanet]

Guys Sorry for replying late,
Really appreciate all your comments. I can see that you took time to answer me, and thats an indication of the good and friendly atmosphere I can expect in the company!!
Well I can see that all decent jobs on the 320 are on about the same money. I'm just tired of changing airline and place to live every 2 years, because the airline and/or management happen to be crappy and I would appreciate to settle down at least for a few years without having to update my CV and run all over the world for interviews.

lets wait and see.
Look forward to meeting all of you in the near future!

Thanks again.

[airborneksa]

I am in the same boat as lonelyplanet

[BLSA]

Rumours about some 330s joining soon and a bonus:E:E:E

[Soft Altitude]

BLSA, judging by the smilies you put at the end of your post I assume you are just starting a rumor out of boredom, aren't you ? :suspect:

[PanAmFalcon]

Should be interesting
Gulf Daily News » Business News » Fuel subsidy proposal may bolster Gulf Air (http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?storyid=380674)

Fuel subsidies,BAS and GAA under one roof would do the trick

[BLSA]

SA, i just try to keep up the conversation :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: and heard it from more than one colleague already :}:} or perhaps they just saw my previous post:E:E:E

[PanAmFalcon]

Is it me or does the "refurbished 330" look crappy?

[PanAmFalcon]

www.bna.bh/portal/en/news/628338 (http://www.pprune.org/www.bna.bh/portal/en/news/628338)

Well the 320s will be flying to Moscow.Well nice to see Gulf Air isn't expanding in war zones now.

[BLSA]

Turnaround or nightstop for the crew???:hmm::hmm::hmm:

[MaffiFaloos]

Ridiculous thought. Plenty of time for a Moscow turn AND a quick DMM.:D

[BLSA]

Will be interesting to see how you will make 45min turn in december with oat -15 and +SN:cool::E

[meatlover]

Duty time extension :E

[mamamia]

Gulf air is a good company if you are bahraini as you do overtime you fly day time you have a potential to become trainer in 6 month you have a good retirement as an expat you get the opposite benefits

[SCATANA]

Care to support your statement with facts ?

[DesertHawk]

scatana why u take it as a negative? it has been Gulf Air mandate for past few years to become more bahraini and why is that always viewed as a negative? many other companies do the same thing and state it up front. GF is pushing for bahrainization thats a fact so don't apologize for it its your right.:ok:

[SCATANA]

Hey DH, long time :)




Agree with your point though.

[DesertHawk]

yeah not bahrainization exactly but similar. i just find it amusing that the whole subject is taboo. many airlines all over the world hire expat pilot under contracts with better and in some cases worse terms then the local pilots. its up front and both sides company and employer know the deal. not something new or something people should be surprised about. i think what he was getting at was the fact for years favouritism has been obvious at GF. In my opinion this is not an expat issue but a company wide nationality wide problem that is not going to change! accept or move on:)

[Landflap]

I joined GF in 1993. During Ground School, fellow newbies were shown an article in that day's GDN , headlined , " Gulfair to Bahrainize within five years ". I left after six months for other reasons but here we are, two decades later and GF still pushing for Bahrainization ? Gimme a break. Relax. It'll never happen.

[PanAmFalcon]

Bahrainization is possible but if Gulf Air continues to expand,there would not be many bahrainis left to hire. As of now,they are working on minimum expat work force and I don't suppose that could shrink further.
Bahrainization in my opinion would work in the engineering or the flight deck department.Forcing Bahrainization in the head office does not appear to be a wise decision.

[Masagemarad]

any one have the latest information on the interview process and experience for Captains ?

[dum dum pacheco]

It looks there is a technical problem while I try to apply online, same with you?

[mamamia]

Load of rubbish when you talk rubbish

[PanAmFalcon]

First we had Kuwait- Istanbul,now we will be seeing Kuwait- Larnaca
Gulf Air announces Larnaca-Kuwait flights | Cyprus Mail (http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/09/27/gulf-air-announces-larnaca-kuwait-flights/)

[BLSA]

Gulf Air Resumes Hyderabad Service from mid-Dec 2014 | Airline Route (http://airlineroute.net/2014/10/23/gf-hyd-dec14/)
plus SYZ :ugh::ugh::ugh:

[travelexec]

Hi gents,
I had heard that Gulf Air still does some of its recruitment through an agency. Anyone know that name of the agency?
Thanks,

[BLSA]

MECCTI :: HIGH LIFE WITH MECCTI (http://mecabincrew.com)

[newscaster]

They might also resume Kathmandu, Dhaka and Colombo.

[PanAmFalcon]

They might also resume Kathmandu, Dhaka and Colombo.
Didn't they just explain that the market was too saturated ?

[BLSA]

PanAm, guess they have changed those who explained it to them:}:)

[PanAmFalcon]

BLSA,I believe they have hired a new consulting company to call the shots rather than a CEO.Not a bad move since nobody wants to run the airline anymore!

[ODMEA]

From a pax perspective they need need to get rid of the local Bahraini male cabin crew on board..they are THE weak link in the air. Poor English, unintelligible announcements at 1000 miles an hour. Top shirt button always undone and tie loose. No regard for safety allow pax to leave bags un-stowed for landing and take off and even place their OWN bags on row 1 seats when empty so they can grab immediately after take off. Abrupt service and never smile. Always eating in front galley in full view of pax. Too rough around the edges for cabin crew work..no refinement at all. It's clearly just a job to them, nothing more.

Otherwise GF has definitely made an effort and I see improvements. Locals will always be the week link in the air and on the ground. Just seem disinterested.

[ironbutt57]

Thats a bit harsh Oddy...yes there are some lacking self disclipine and professionalism, but the majority that I operated aircraft did their job properly and had a professional attitude, despite tiring rosters, and quite often lack of proper galley equipment...

[PanAmFalcon]

As a matter of fact,I do agree with ODMEA.Not to mention how they treat passengers from the subcontinent.I've seen the old flight attendants speak to those passengers in a derogatory manner.By the looks of it,they do seem to be at a almost retiring age :). My philosophy for Gulf Air's success has always been to inject as many locals as possible on the ground and flight deck and get as many foreign professionals in the management.Without the poor management those old gentlemen wouldn't be working.

[BLSA]

ODMEA, agree:ok:

[driftdown]

Cabin secured for take off / landing - no, use of mobile phones at critical phases of flight stopped - no. Welcome on board - same feeling as stepping on a London Bus with as much interaction!!!!

I have every confidence Flight crew would get me to my destination safely. Less confidence if a situation arose the cabin crew would be able to deal with it efficiently and safely so longer journeys with other Gulf carriers, local journeys Loco.

There are demographic factors in the market GF is serving that account for difficulties and yet these should not be allowed to overide proscribed procedures / requirements.

Just my 2 cents worth..

[PanAmFalcon]

How is the route to Moscow doing for GF? any full or semi full flights?

[BLSA]

Heard quite full on the way back:rolleyes: and rumours about closing it down somewhere next year, once the load picks up:ugh:

[T O G A Boy]

Why are we not amazed. History repeating itself. Shanghai for example :ugh:

GF truly is in dire needs of a management reshuffle;)

[Landflap]

Toga Boy : Management re-shuffle ? That's been a requirement since the early 90's. Actually, it did happen but the same old faces were just re-shuffled into the same pack. For GF, you will never be able to kill off corruption and jobs for the boys. That's the heart of the sickening downfall of a potentially admirable company.

[T O G A Boy]

Totally agree LandFlap.
About killing the corruption and job for the boys, well the main reason is that proper and qualified personnel would never approach this company. They have far better choices to pick from. And as far as the GF management goes, well a lot has been left to be desired :rolleyes:

[PanAmFalcon]

Been months

At least they're not letting people go now

[Soft Altitude]

And your statement is based on which facts, Pan Am ? I know of at least one resignation in the last couple of weeks, many more to come as left seaters gain valuable A320 PIC hours, the capt. exodus is looming on the horizon, unless management wakes up and does something about rosters and increasing or at least improving the package. They don't really seem to care to stop anyone to leave ...

[ironbutt57]

by "letting go" i suspect he meant making redundant....

[AeroForce]

Can I please be "let go" with a big fat redundancy pay check!?
Departure is imminent and it would be nice to have the indemnity topped up!

It's raining resignations at the moment and a lot more to follow :ok:
:D Well done COO and henchmen in making GF the most undesirable airline to work for in the gulf. Keep filling your pockets :ugh:

[ironbutt57]

hard to fault the COO...many circumstances involved...

[dzmeigolem]

Heard 6 Captains resigned last week...

[BLSA]

Heard the number is between 8-12:}:}:rolleyes:

[T O G A Boy]

That's not a surprising figure at all considering more are to come. "resignation that is "
COO cant do the job without any support from his sub-ordinates.
How can it be done when all you see when you enter the fleet office, Mr Emirates reject man is sitting with his laptop and smoking in a no smoking environment. Says it all, I guess.

[Landflap]

Sub-ordinates are so well connected they outrule COO ! But, Toga-boy, you did start my day by making me laff me socks off ! Great post !

[T O G A Boy]

Finally a bit of cheese to lure the mice....... 3% pay rise.....:ugh:

Get a life folks. Is that what those hardworking people deserve. Makes me:yuk::yuk:

[mkdar]

I think that Pilots are part of the problem, they fly on days off and leave, which gives the management an excuse not to recruit. All it takes is a month or two of no one flying on days off or leave, and the management will get the message.
Years ago, a Captain agreed to fly on his day off if the management paid him 100 Dinars, since then it became the rule.
Yes, Pilots can change things, they just don’t want to. Short sighted I would say.

[ironbutt57]

"not recruit"...since when...they are recruiting, but people leave as well..problem is everybody here is recruiting...so competition for bodies for seats is intense..GF may not look as exciting as other carriers..especially to the younger crowd intent on flying wide body/longhaul..

[BLSA]

Any update on the 787 delivery dates? :rolleyes: :rolleyes::}

[PanAmFalcon]

What about the additional 10 787s and the C series that are said to be in Service by 2016 as well?

[Siu Mo To]

Was offered a three year contract on the mini bus. Any realistic chance to move to 330?

[BLSA]

C series left together with Mr M to Saudi:mad::E

[Alzandor]

Hi guys,

I know a lot of people here are not happy with gulf air, however I'm Bahraini
and have a JAA CPL along with a university degree and desperately want to get a foot in the gulf air door but have not been able to do so for over a year now. I'm guessing mainly because it seems like you need to have connections to even land an interview let alone a plane :ugh:.

Unfortunately I am not connected to anyone and would really appreciate it if anyone could PM me any leads or advice they feel may help actually get my CV seen as I know if I don't get on jet soon I can kiss my non existent pilot career goodbye.

Cheers

[slowjet]

Gosh ! an "unconnected " Bahraini !! Very rare. You have no chance. Try very hard with the other GCC operators. Bit of the old "wasta" helps but they appear a bit more balanced. Good luck. Never give up buddy.

[Alzandor]

Unfortunately for fresh pilots with no hrs on jet the other GCC countries only accept their own locals, Gulf Air is the only national carrier in the GCC that has no program in place to incorporate local pilots. Unless your the kid of someone in management or higher up and this seems to apply to most positions in the company not just pilots. Here's to the 2030 vision :D

[High Energy]

I would not say that. Gulf Air is by a longshot THE GCC carrier that wants their own people up front. That's why so many expats, me included, got made redundant to get a local pilot in. I hold no grudge against them nor to the goverment. I would even go as far and say that I wish some European carriers would adopt the same policy. It's their herriatage, their country and their airline. I'm merely a guest and I fully understood my role.

[T O G A Boy]

Heard through the grapevine that the resignation letters have been making their way to the fleet office. :D:D:D

[BLSA]

Some guys are going to KSA, it means it is getting really bad in GF :(((((((

[Landflap]

TOGA : Where else does a resignation letter go ? If, these days, it starts in HR, heaven forbid it gets to the Fleet Office because once there, it will wind up in the bin if it is not to the liking of the dysfunctional staff more interested in ordering KFC for wives on mobile phones than dealing with appalling decline.
Aaaaaaah ! Don't get me started !

[T O G A Boy]

Landflap !!!! I couldn't have said it better myself. :D

You are bang on. Actually slightly upgraded orders than from KFC since all they care about is lining their deep pockets and talking crap.
This once glorious airline had a slight chance of recovery but with these morons up there, well forget it.
What do you expect from an organisation with no CEO. I dare anyone coming to this wrecked ship. :=

[Gordomac]

Landflap & TOGABOY ; I am well into retirement but keep in touch. The GF "Developments" has always interested me as I wish only good things for the company that was my employer for 17 years. Dismal reading though in the last six years of it's decline. Latest missives reminded me too harshly of my own demise. After a worthy battle, I was summoned to the Fleet Office on a Thursday Evening. I was, at the time, in a Supermarket. I thought it was good news.

I was given the Fleet Office Boy. Seniors were well gone for the week-end and far lacking in professionalism to face me. Office boy told me that the Minister of Visas was unable to renew my work & res visas and my contract was therefore terminated. Office Boy handed me the letter asking that I read it. Here's the thing, in between all this, his mobile kept ringing, which he answered and mostly, in Arabic but bits of English it went, something like ; " Yanny, Mayonnaise, spicey or creamy ?.................Arabic.................La la, chicken nuggets ?.................Arabic............something else, then he looks up and actually says "sorry, be with you in a minute".............more Arabic and then something about milk-shakes !

I was, finally, given some one on one time and told to report to HR for the three day shut-down process first thing in the morning. I reminded Office Boy that it was then Thursday Evening and HR would not, likely, be around until Saturday.

Oh, groan ! I should let go but your reports brought it all, unhappily, to memory ! Nothing changed in GF then !

Nothing changed here either. Time for a splosh in the pool, quick slirp and up to the Lithos later for more hot fun in the sun. Fond memories and good wishes guys. Gotta laugh !

[BLSA]

New wave of resignations (10+ skippers) :E:D

[dzmeigolem]

And leaves are being cancelled. With EK lowering their requirements and QR improving the T&Cs, it seems really challenging for many to find a reason to stay. Flynas is offering a possibility for commuting... Interesting times indeed.

[BLSA]

Plus SaudiGulf opening ops later this year, and Saudi Airlines opening DMM base soon. Really interesting times ahead:E:E:E

[LNAV VNAV -]

And Saudia soon offering commuting roster out of RUH.

[slowjet]

No wonder someone has been offered DEC assessment and is asking for advice. And one silly little DFO once said " We are NOT a revolving door company" ! Good grief.

[BLSA]

Once there will be base in DMM a lot of bahrainis with 20 years in company will leave:rolleyes::E

[BLSA]

olbie, which one of them?:E:E:E

[Landflap]

A DMM Base ? Surely they will have learned by the mishandled AUH Basing ? Nah, silly me. Thought they would learn ! Ooooops, some clowns think the AUH Basing was "well" handled. Oh dear.

[ironbutt57]

think the DMM base was referring to Saudia...and yes I was a victim of "Move to AUH" 6 months into my tenure at GF...I wound up enjoying it, but well organised it was not

[asiddiqui]

Hi,

I have tried looking up information regarding the interview on the forum but haven't found much, could you guys guide me a little in regards to the CBI, Psychometric and most importantly Technical Quiz aspects of the assessment. Is it airbus specific questions or general ATPL.I could really use some help.

Thanks !

[dzmeigolem]

Oh... Does it mean that the 787s are abandoned? This will be quite a turn since they were "almost here"... Btw, 6 of Bjorn Naf's 20 330-300 are still on order as per Airbus' official website.

[BLSA]

333neos are most probably coming:}, how many or when or instead of what, we will probably know soon:E

[TheDesertGardener]

According to PPJN the edducation allowance is BD1,500 for primary and BD2,500 for secondary. Is it enough to cover the tuition fees?

[Shisha2015]

:confused: people are still considering gulf air as an option :bored::eek:

[ExDubai]

Sorry to say, but Gulf is a dead horse

[Shisha2015]

Even if they lower the requirement to 10 hours PIC... Can't see a single reason to call this place an ( Airline ) :oh::yuk: Warning....stay AWAY:=

[T O G A Boy]

Ex Dubai, why be sorry. You nailed it.
And are you astonished as to why? :rolleyes:
Less than adequate management in place taking decisions on hourly basis.:ugh:
Subsequently the outcome is transparent.
They need to be cannonballed as far away as possible from the Pink Palace.
Maybe then and only then can the Golden Falcon be revived.

[Landflap]

The "mindset" and deep corruption will never change. Far too deep and a way of life. I was there for a short time but a so-called sweep of corruption was the claimed target. Dead heading from BAH to MCT, a former senior manager who was sacked but was still rewarded with free first class travel , stood up to disembark but trapped his pillow in his briefcase ; brilliant FSS said" Mr......., first you take all our money, now you try and take our pillows!" The nice thing is that even he found it funny and giggled down the steps ! It really will not, ever, change.

[TheDesertGardener]

Olbie, thanks. Just asking because, to me, its a sensitive point as I want to provide the best possible to my kids education.

[777boyo]

Please excuse the thread drift.

I very sadly learned today that Capt Rod Taylor, ex Gulf Air HOFO, passed away last week. Rod was an absolute gentleman who was extremely kind to me and many others at a time when we were starting our jet careers in GF. Sincere condolences to Mark, Simon and Rod's family.

7B

[BLSA]

TheDesertGardener, actual school costs are at least double of what gf gives, and for best possible you need even more:} They have not been revised for maaaaany years:E

[Shisha2015]

If he is looking for the best thing regarding his kids life ,,he must stay away from GF :D:D:D DONT even come close to this place :=

[TheDesertGardener]

Well, its odd education allowance not been adjusted. I understand that Gulf Air is through a reorganization but at least they should try to bring the T&C closer to the other competitors.

[BLSA]

DesertGardener, last meeting it was rejected as the company is going through reorganisation, and they need to cut costs, not to increase:E:rolleyes:

[slowjet]

Shisha, what's deaing and who the hell is grace ?

[Fly4Fun]

The end of subsidies won't help atracting expats as the cost of living will increase... :sad: