Silhouette challenge

[dazdaz]

Hi all, not visited here for a while. I've been working on a new 'name the a/c' to test your skills. This time, no pic of the a/c just the silhouette.

Good luck...............

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/jet005.jpg (http://www.pprune.org/forums/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/jet005.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

[Man-on-the-fence]

Dassaut Etendard.

[jabberwok]

It won't work. Some of us still have all those books.. :}:}

[dazdaz]

Ahhhhhhh foiled again!!!!!!!!!! Well done Sir. I'll be back soon (today) with another challenge

Daz

[dazdaz]

I'm trying my best. Without books, name this a/c.......

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/1006.jpg (http://www.pprune.org/forums/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/1006.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

[diesel addict]

Fiat G-91T

[taxydual]

Fiat GR91

http://planeviews.co.uk/id139.htm

[Man-on-the-fence]

Who needs books? :}

[dazdaz]

Diesel Addict...........Spot on!!!! Actually the correct model designation is...
G.91T but who am I to argue.

Having said that? For a further 10 points....What was the; Power plant?

[diesel addict]

Bristol Siddeley Orpheus - Dr. Hooker's own

[evansb]

dazdaz, visit dauntless-soft/AviaQuiz for more fun.

[barit1]

Wasn't there also a G.91Y with two J85s?

[dazdaz]

Diesel addick spot on:ok: EvansSB, I know, but I'm trying so hard to 'fox' you people. I'm gobsmacked as to the collective knowledge on here. I think I might have found a 'chink' non mil. The last post for today, good luck..........

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/2.jpg (http://www.pprune.org/forums/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/2.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

[chiglet]

Cessna T37 [I think]
watp,iktch

[norwich]

Cessna model 407 ??

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!]

Strikemaster :O


(hey I was up for the G91, having once made the airfix kit)

[dazdaz]

Chiglet.....Spot on:ok: I'll get you guys/gals one day.

Footnote; The book I've been using, 'The Observer's book of Aircraft' compiled by William Green. 1961 edition. Frederick Warne & Co. Ltd.

In the words of Arnie........I'll be back.

[evansb]

Here is one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/silhouette.jpg

[Liffy 1M]

Douglas C-74 Globemaster I. The civilian version, had it been built, would have been called the DC-7.

[evansb]

Liffy is correct. It is a Douglas C-74. Your turn.

[norwich]

May I slip one in here ? This could amuse for a few seconds, Bri you are excluded ! Keith. ??

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/sil1.gif

[Kieron Kirk]

McDonnell 220.

Ciarain.

[norwich]

Yes ! Kieron Kirk, Wow I again underestimated the wealth of knowledge you people have ? here it is in "real time" Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/Mac119-2.jpg

[evansb]

This one should prove challenging to some:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH080622.jpg

[treadigraph]

Beagle 242...

[norwich]

Beech Baron ?

[evansb]

treadigraph is spot on:ok: Your turn.

[treadigraph]

Dang, I am at work with nothing available - anybody else got one? :ok:

[MReyn24050]

I will take up treadigraph's offer.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Silhouettequiz1.jpg

[saman]

Pochaer(?) F15 - one of that nice Mr Frati's bootiful designs.

[MReyn24050]

Sorry samen this one is not the Procaer F.15 Picchio.

[chiglet]

Piaggio/FW149
watp,iktch

[RETDPI]

Wassmer Baladou?

[MReyn24050]

chiglet. Not the Piaggio/FW149.
RETDPI. You are correct in stating it is a Wassmer aircraft but not the Baladou as that had a fixed undercarriage. Can you get closer to the actual type?

[RETDPI]

Whoops.
How about Wassmer WA-40A Super 4 Sancy or therebouts ? :8

Being a bit presumptious I know - but assuming that's close enough Mel, here's my opening Challenge.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/gjquick/GJ10001.gif

[MReyn24050]

RETDPI
How about Wassmer WA-40A Super 4 Sancy or therebouts . You have it. :ok: :D. The Silhouette was reported to be the Wassmer Super 4-21 Presige which differs from the Sancy in having an aerodynamically refined cockpit canopy, raised aft fuselage decking.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/WassmerSuper4-21Prestige.jpg
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Another French Design the S.N.C.A.S.E. SE-200 perhaps?
Mel

[RETDPI]

Well, that didn't last long.
Quite correct of course Mel
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/gjquick/se200-6.jpg

The Sud Est S.E.200 it is.
Over to you ..........

[MReyn24050]

Thanks RETDPI. I am sure this one will also go as quick.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Silhouettequiz8.jpg
Mel

[treadigraph]

Cheers for filling in earlier Mel :ok:

SIPA Anjou?

[MReyn24050]

No problem treadigraph, it is indeed the Boisavia B.260 Anjou (later developed by SIPA as the Sipavia Anjou). :ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/BoisaviaB-260Anjou.jpg
You have control.

[treadigraph]

Cheers Mel.

Continuing the theme of unusual twins, this surely won't last long for the super-sleuths!

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/treadigraph/shil_comp_01.jpg

[jabberwok]

Piper Pocono.

[treadigraph]

Correct, the PA-35 Pocono - only one prototype in 1968, ended up in Poland in '76 according to Rod Simpson's GA book. Wonder if it still exists?

Your controls Jabberwok :ok:

[jabberwok]

Apologies all - open house.

Having got all the original books still and having used them for many aircraft recognition competitions in the past I have an unfair advantage. I'll drop out of this thread..

[MReyn24050]

One to keep things moving. I am sure this one will soon be identified.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Silhouettequiz7.jpg

Mel

[MReyn24050]

No takers? This aircraft first flew late 1950s, it was based on an aircraft that first flew in the late 1930s.
Mel

[Rainboe]

Is it anything to do with the Messerschmitt Me108 Taifun (I think it was). Got a Taifun type look to it.

[oncemorealoft]

Is it the Saab Safir?

[evansb]

The German built Blume Bl.500 ?

[MReyn24050]

Bri has it. :ok:. It is in fact the Blume BL.502
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/BlumeBL502.jpg
You have control.

[oncemorealoft]

Is the Blume Bl.500 an ME108 derivative?

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. Back to barit1's unanswered question (thread #12), Yes there was a twin J-85 powered version called the Fiat G.91Y. Looking externally very similar to the single-Orpheus powered G.91R, the G.91Y was an almost altogether different aircraft. For one thing, it increased the speed from mach.91 to .94.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/FiatG91Y.jpg

[klubman]

Am I correct in thinking that the aircraft that delivers the 'gold bullion' to Turin airport in that classic film 'The Italian Job' is a C-74?

[evansb]

Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH080625.gif

[MReyn24050]

oncemorealoft asked:-
Is the Blume Bl.500 an ME108 derivative

No it was based on the Arado Ar 79.

In 1956 after restrictions on aircraft construction in Germany were lifted Walter Blume produced, a modernized version of the Ar 79. The canopy was extended rearward, the fin was replaced by a more modern form, the wing replaced by an all metal wing and the landing gear replaced by a tricycle undercarriage.. The original Hirth engine Hirth being no longer available, was replaced by the Lycoming O-320.

[diesel addict]

My ancient memory thinks you are correct, further on the C-74, was it not given a try-out on the Berlin Airlift ?

[MReyn24050]

From "The Internet Movie Database"
The "Chinese" plane delivering the gold to Turin airport is one of the rare (only 14 ever built) Douglas C-74 Globemaster transport planes.

[MReyn24050]

The I.A.R. 818 perhaps Bri?
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/iar-818.jpg
Mel

[evansb]

Spot on, Mel:ok: Your turn.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri, that was a great challenge. Keeping on the Float Plane theme here is the next.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Silhouettequiz12.jpg
Mel

[RETDPI]

Yokosuka E14Y1 "GLEN" ?

[MReyn24050]

Got in one RETDPI, it is the Yokosuka E14Y1 "GLEN":ok:
You have control.

[RETDPI]

Thanks Mel, a bit cheeky jumping in so quick , but I had this one ready:http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/gjquick/Silo60001-1.gif

[MReyn24050]

No takers? Looks a bit Spanish to me with possibly a British radial.
Mel

[RETDPI]

You're on the trail Mel.
Also look at the front view in isolation.
A WW2 fighter from a name that initially became famous in WW1 was apparently used as a source of components for this production aircraft.

[MReyn24050]

A WW2 fighter from a name that initially became famous in WW1 was apparently used as a source of components for this production aircraft.
Are we talking about a well known Dutch aircraft manufacturer?

[RETDPI]

We are indeed.!

[MReyn24050]

That will be the Hispano-Suiza H.42 then.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/HispanoSuizaHS-42.jpg
Mel

[RETDPI]

Spot On Mel!

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/gjquick/HS-42B.jpg

During the Spanish Civil War Fokker supplied (secretly) the Republicans with support in the form of ,apparently, 25 fuselages and 50 wing sets for their D XXI fighter.
Before these could be produced as full airframes however, the victorious fascist forces over ran the assembly plant.
In later building the Hispano HS-42 trainer, advantage was taken of this and many components of the Dutch fighter were used in its construction. So there we have a bit of technical and political history rolled together, resulting in this Iberian oddity.

Mel - the floor is yours.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks RETDPI that was a great challenge and an interesting aircraft. Here is the next one, something a little different.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Silhouettequiz4.jpg

[Kitbag]

Nord 500. If I'm right, open house. (If not, then I apologise for my arrogance)

[MReyn24050]

Kitbag. Please do not apologise there was nothing arrogant about your answer, it is indeed the Nord 500.:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Nord500.jpg
The Nord 500 was a single seat, company funded research aircraft. Its mission was to evaluate principles of the Tilt Duct propulsion concept for VTOL aircraft. The enclosed cabin contained an ejection seat. Two 317hp Allison T63-A-5A (or Allison T63-A5T, or 250-C18, depending on the source) turboshaft engines were located side by side in the rear part of the fuselage. They drove two 1.5m diameter props through interconnected shafts. Moveable vanes in the propeller slipstream controlled the duct positions aerodynamically.
The first prototype was completed in Spring 1967 and was used for mechanical and ground tests. The second prototype made its first tethered flight during July 1968.
Nord merged with the Aerospatiale Corporation in about 1970, and the aircraft became known as the Aerospatiale N 500. Although a more sophisticated and more powerful version was in planning, all efforts on the Nord 500 appear to have stopped by 1971.


As Kitbag says "Open House"

[RETDPI]

This one shouldn't take too long.......
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/gjquick/Silo70001.gif

[dazdaz]

Umm...I'm thinking WWII Japanese?

Daz

[RETDPI]

A clue.
This Aeroplane is post war European and one example is extant in storage in a Museum fairly close to the Mediterranean.

[chiglet]

Off the top of my [sore] head, some form of Potez?
watp,iktch

[evansb]

IKARUS 214. Yours has the Ranger in-line engines. This one, the 214-P, has Pratt & Whitney radials.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/ik214.gif

[RETDPI]

Quite correct of course, designed by the the Yugoslav Ing. Prof. Sima Mulutinovic and produced as the Ikarus 214 in a number of variants - including one with an ASV Chin Radar.
The prototype as illustrated had the Ranger SGV-770s and was underpowered. These were later replaced with P&W R1340s. One Ikarus 214 is still around, albeit unassembled.
Over to you Evans!

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/gjquick/Ikarus214.jpg

[dazdaz]

Hi all
Just passing, while awaiting Evan's reply, check this one out...........

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/Macchi001.jpg (http://www.pprune.org/forums/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/Macchi001.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

Daz

[Yellow Sun]

North American T2 Buckeye

YS

[evansb]

Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH080630.gif

[dazdaz]

Yellow Sun.....
Well done Sir...T2J-I

[dazdaz]

Evansb

I'm thinking German WWII

[evansb]

Not German. Pre-WW.II, but only just.

[MReyn24050]

Very interesting looking aircraft Bri. We are not in Yugoslavia again by any chance?
Mel

[evansb]

Not in Yugoslavia anymore. Still on the Continent of Europe, though.

[Synthetic]

Er - one thing Chaps and Chapesses, before you upload the file to photobucket or whatever----

Change the filename so it doesn't give the answer away:O

[MReyn24050]

Synthetic not quite sure to whom you are referring, sometimes the incorrect file name is given. Bri, that aircraft certainly had an unusual role, please check PMs.

[norwich]

He say's confidently Romano R-110 of 1938 !!!! Keith.

[evansb]

Keith, your are spot-on!:ok: The multi-role, non-French sounding Romano R-110 lost out to a Potez design. norwich has control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/romano_r-110.jpg

[norwich]

Thank you evansb, now for something that is within my particular interest, post war civil airliners ? Should last 'nano seconds' Keith.http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/old%20props/silly2.gif

[philbky]

SAAB Scandia?

[norwich]

Philbky, Yes indeed, Saab 90 Scandia, well it lasted 10 mins, well done :ok: lets have another ! Keith.

[philbky]

As my PC is down until the morning and I'm on the laptop without access to silhouettes I'll declare OPEN HOUSE

[RETDPI]

Wouldn't it look nice in Yellow? ;)

( Off on My hols now.)

[Rainboe]

Japanese-looking, dive bomber? I think it's a variant of the Kawasaki KI-32. Clue too easy, but got there without it!

[RETDPI]

I can't wait for this one as I really have to flee to catch my plane,
I'm sure you'll get there with a bit of effort
:8

[diesel addict]

It is Canadian - Fleet "Fort" 1

[diesel addict]

I would like to offer a challenge, but have no access to a scanner !!
No doubt some other enthusiastic soul will oblige.

Carry on the good work chaps.

[dazdaz]

No probs Diesel Addict.

I shall pick up the gauntlet on your behalf. I'm just using a digital camera for my posts. Here we go...............................

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/jetpic002.jpg (http://www.pprune.org/forums/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/jetpic002.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

[aviate1138]

Possibly the Procaer F.400 Cobra?

[dazdaz]

Well done:ok: In my little book it's identified as a ....NEEFF F-400 Cobra.

Daz

[MReyn24050]

List of What Shilouette Challenges presented to date added to the "What Cockpit" and "What Aerodrome" Sticky.

[Opssys]

Just for fun as I suspect it wil be identified minutes after I submit this post

http://www.douglas-ian-holland.co.uk/shared_pix/sil001.jpg

[diesel addict]

Convair "Sea Dart"

[dazdaz]

Convair F-102A Delta Dagger?

Daz

[Opssys]

Diesel Addict 26 Miutes after my post.
Sorry it took so lonf to confirm, but I was forced to stop Prunning Yesterday.
So over to you sir!

[dazdaz]

As Diesel Addict is missing the hardware (use a digital camera Diesel to photo pages) I've trawled to the deepest parts of my little book.....I'm confident, identification might take a while...........

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/PlanePic003.jpg (http://www.pprune.org/forums/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/PlanePic003.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

[norwich]

How about PZL 101 Gawron (YAK 12M) ???? Keith.

[treadigraph]

PZL Gawron?

edit: Snap!

[dazdaz]

Norwich/Treadigraph

Well done to you both, it was indeed the FZL-101 Gawron. Back to my little book.

Daz

[norwich]

Thanks Daz, as Tredigraph seems to be not on line at the mo, I will offer his little one ..... Keith

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/silly3.gif

[Opssys]

It will never be my turn, after all my scores in the Roger Bacon Quiz, declined rapidly from 1978 onwards from very good to pathetic (and stayed pathetic thereafter), but I would like to set one last litle test to the Guru's before I just sit back and follow this thread with awe:

http://www.douglas-ian-holland.co.uk/shared_pix/sil002.jpg

Sorry about the quality, but it may slow you down by a second or two

[diesel addict]

Pulquii II ??
Argentine by Kurt Tank out of Focke Wulf

[dazdaz]

Opssys......I'm 60%-55% MIG-19 Farmer-B?

Daz

ps. Possible MIG-17 Fresco-D?????

[dazdaz]

Norwich, is it Russian? I'm hunting for clues.

Daz

[norwich]

Daz, keep on looking ..... but stay away from Russia ???? Keith.

[dazdaz]

Norwich, I shall keep looking, but I guess someone will identify before I get back on line, off for dinner. I'll check in later.............

Daz

[MReyn24050]

FMA I.A.33 Pulqui II perhaps?
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/1138533.jpg

[chiglet]

Norwich,
Some sort of BV flying boat perhaps? [Just got in after a looong day[
watp,iktch

[norwich]

chiglet,
You are on the path ???
excuse my ignorance, but what does 'watp,iktch' mean

[MReyn24050]

Keith's Post # 166 is a Blohm und Voss Bv222A Wiking and as I say above
Opssys Post #167 is the FMA I.A.33 Pulqui II. Opssy, let us stick with one challenge at a time please.
Mel

[dazdaz]

Norwich
Got me beat:ugh:

[norwich]

Hello Mel, Yes it's the B und V 222A :ok:

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/blohm_bv-222.jpg

Looking forward to your next challenge ! Keith.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Keith. As chiglet identified the Manufacturer before I did I will pass the honour to him, however if he hasn't a challenge then I will give way to diesel addict as he correctly identified Opssys challenge. Could I just reiterate do not post challenges unless it is open house or one has won the challenge.
Mel

[norwich]

Following my last challenge, should you be interested, I found a fantastic video clip of the B und V 238, an advance on the 222A, which should be at ...

YouTube - Blohm Voss BV 238 II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVIaOSQBFAE)

Keith ?

[Opssys]

diesel addict. Correct and in five minutes according to the thread headers!
Honourable Mention to MReyn24050 for finding such a good picture.
I will now retire from the fray and just watch the geniuses at work!

[dazdaz]

Mel
"Could I just reiterate do not post challenges unless it is open house or one has won the challenge."

With respect, I started this post. I would like to post a further comment on your above quote, but I shall decline.

My idea for this post was a 'free for all' 'all join in' whether one has not identified an a/c or one has.

I'm sorry, I never knew there were rules posters had to abide to.

Daz

[MReyn24050]

Daz
I appreciate that you started this thread. However, if you do not instigate the simple rule of only posting a fresh challenge after the current challenge has been identified and confirmed by the poster chaos will reign. As you say you started the thread so if that is the way you wish to play so be it. Forgive me for interferring, my comment was certainly not made to take over control of the thread merely to assist you in its smooth running.Hence my posting of a list of silhouettes posted so far.
I will withdraw my comment and leave you to run the thread as you intended it to be run.
Mel

[evansb]

Here is the next mystery silhouette:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH080705.gif

[norwich]

Um, I feel a bit of a vacuum here ? would be nice to see a new challenge, but maybe that will only happen after we have an agreement to how it should be conducted !
This is only my view, the answer surely lies with, not just Daz and Mel, but with everybody who has enjoyed, questioned, answered, and enjoyed this thread ! So could we not have some input from all ? I want to enjoy this and hopefully not get involved with arguments etc. Keith.
Edit.
Sorry evansb, all this written before your post, but posted after ! Keith.

[MReyn24050]

Keith
It is ok please do not let me spoil the thread, if that is the way Daz want his thread to run fine. Evansb aircraft is I think the Piaggio P.148. Please check your PMs Keith.
Mel

[evansb]

It sure is Mel!:ok: The sweet P.148 'Piaggino'. You have control.

[MReyn24050]

Thank You Bri. Here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Silhouettequiz6.jpg
Mel

[norwich]

How about the well known FMA IA.53 from Argentina ?? Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/fma-53.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Keith, that is the one :ok:. You have control.
Mel

[norwich]

Thank you Mel. I have one "teed up" and ready, but would like to offer the oportunity to others, should someone want to post. I will watch the grand prix on tv, if, after that, there are no offers I will post. Keith.

[norwich]

Good day for Hamilton and Mclaren ! Here goes ........ Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/silly4.gif

[chiglet]

Fairey Aviation FD1
watp,iktch

[norwich]

Chilet, right timescale, same "type" of aircraft, but not a Fairey Delta ?
Keith.

[sabredog]

Boulton Paul 111A

[norwich]

saberdog has it, Boulton Paul P111 :ok: the floor is yours ! Keith

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/boulton_p-111.jpg

[sabredog]

Thank you.
Open House

[sabredog]

As nobody has taken up the "Open House", here is the next challenge.
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/sabre86d/quiz1.jpg

[oncemorealoft]

OK my immediate thought was that this was a Boeing P26 'Peashooter' until I noticed the peashooter is not there, nor is the built up fairing aft of the headrest and the wheel fairings are the wrong shape!

Is it an early prototype of the P26?

[chiglet]

Severski? [fore runner of Republic] P35
watp,iktch

[sabredog]

Sorry, but it is not the delightful Boeing P-26, or an earlier mark of the same.
Correct era, and it was possibly obviously built to the same specifications.

[sabredog]

No, Chiglet, it is not the Severski p-35.

[S'land]

Mitsubishi A5M?

[sabredog]

Neither is it the Mitsubishi A5M. Sorry.
But there is a link between the two aircraft!

[sabredog]

Some more clues;
First flown in1933.
The makers of this aircraft also produced railways trains!
Only 14 aircraft built.
Sold to one country only.

[MReyn24050]

We seem to be stuck on this one. To recap:-
Not the Mitsubishi A5M. But there is a link between the two aircraft!
First flown in1933.
The makers of this aircraft also produced railways trains!
Only 14 aircraft built.
Sold to one country only.

Is the link between this aircraft and the Mitsubishi the country of origin i.e. Japan?
If not was the aircraft manufactured in the USA?

[S'land]

How about the Breda Ba.27 from Italy?

The aircraft was turned down by Italian Regia Aeronautica, but was later sold to the Republic of China for use in the Second Sino-Japanese War.

[sabredog]

Thank you,S'land. Well done. The Breda ba.27. is correct.
The link was the Mitsubishi A5M, as both aircraft fought against each other in the 1937 Sino-Japanese war. Breda also produced railway trains.
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/sabre86d/az-7243.jpg
You have control.

[S'land]

Thanks Saberdog, that was difficult.

OK, here we go. Please bear with me as this is the first time that I have done this.

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/Sundland/sil1.jpg?t=1215776732

[sabredog]

Arado 234?

[S'land]

Spot on, Saberdog.

You have control again.

[wilyflier]

post# 58
... I saw a Globemaster in 64 AOG at Athens in the hot summer,load platform lowered and cows wandering round the tarmac .I gave them water when our own aircraft was topped up. Sadly I heard they crashed soon after in the Middle East mountains. I always thought till today that it was a sort of Boeing.

[sabredog]

Thank you,S'land.
"Open House", as I have nothing to submit.

[sabredog]

Twentyfour hours+ and no challenges.
The next one is;
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/sabre86d/IMAGE0005-1.jpg

[dazdaz]

1) Type/version, must be 'spot on'
2) Type usage
3) Not what you might be thinking............................

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/jets002.jpg

[chiglet]

Lockheed TF104G
watp,iktch

[dazdaz]

Chiglet
Close, very close, but read Q: One and two

Daz

[Kieron Kirk]

F-104.D

Ciarain.

[norwich]

QF 104 Unmanned remote control target drone ??? Keith.

[S'land]

CF 104 D Canadian built dual set trainer?

[MReyn24050]

sabredog, your aircraft is A Nord N.C.856A Norvigie.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/0908474.jpg

[MReyn24050]

As I am 99.9% sure my answer is correct here is my challenge.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Silhouettequiz13.jpg

[evansb]

Good morning Mel. What a dog's breakfast threads can become when anarchy rules. (anarchy rules, an oxymoron, I know..) I think your silhouette is of the giant, nearly 5-ton GTOW, Laister-Kauffmann XCG-10A glider. Built in St. Louis, Missouri at the close of WW.II, the ship had a 105-ft wing span, and a retracting nose-wheel.

[sabredog]

Thank you, Mel, for answering the challenge in the correct order!
You are 100% correct. The Nord NC856a Norvigie it is.

[MReyn24050]

sabredog. Thanks for that.
Bri. :) One tries to bring order into life but sometimes it is like :ugh:
It is indeed the Laister-Kauffmann XCG-10A :D:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/cg10-i.jpg
You have control

[MReyn24050]

Chiglet
Close, very close, but read Q: One and two

RTF-104G1 perhaps.
1) Type/version, must be 'spot on' :-RTF-104G1
2) Type usage:- Proposed all-weather day and night reconnaissance

[dazdaz]

Kieron Kirk/Chiglet
Close but you have the wrong 'letter' and what was the main role of this a/c?
Norwich...No it's not a drone.
Daz

ps. The seating might give a clue as to the a/c role

[S'land]

Dazdaz's challenge:

F-104 B Tandem, dual control, trainer?

[Kieron Kirk]

F-104.F

Ciarain.

[dazdaz]

Well done Kieron Kirk and S'Land. The a/c is a F-104F. The role of this a/c was combat-proficiency trainer. As opposed to the F-104G which was a single-seat interceptor and fighter bomber.

Open house. Reason being, it gives others the chance who may not be 'savvy' with a/c. Gives them an opportunity to join in and post, many may not have a chance of identifying an a/c but may want to enter a challenge.

Daz

[chiglet]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/chiglet/silchall_3v.jpg
Try this one....
Having difficulty in showing the image
watp,iktch

[dazdaz]

Might it be a.............Aero Boero 95? Three seater.

daz

[MReyn24050]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/chiglet/silchall_3v.jpg

[dazdaz]

Re: My post 182

Daz

[MReyn24050]

dazdaz, I am sorry you have lost me. Are you saying that chiglet's challenge aircraft is not the aircraft I reposted at Post#183? All I did was, to assist chiglet, taking a copy of the properties of chiglet's image and pasting it as a PPRuNe image so that all could see.
Mel

[chiglet]

MReyn, Thanks for uploading my image
daz, it is my challenge, and I couldn't upload it for some reason.
No, not an Aero Boero95.
watp,iktch

[chiglet]

test
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v505/chiglet/th_silchall_3v.jpg

[S'land]

Westland Wizard?

[chiglet]

Correct, Westland Wizard it is.
watp,iktch

[S'land]

Thanks Chiglet. A beautiful looking machine for Westland's first monoplane fighter attempt.

Here's the next one, shouldn't take too long.

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/Sundland/sil2.jpg?t=1216028885

[Fitter2]

If it isn't an Antonov AN-2 it's a jolly good copy.

If it is, open house.

[S'land]

Blimey, eight minutes. I really shall have to upload some more obscure models for future use.

'Twas the Anotov AN-2T from Poland to be precise.

Well done Fitter2.

[MReyn24050]

In response to Fitter's Open House:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Silhouettequiz14.jpg

[dazdaz]

Ummm..... Looks French.

Daz

[S'land]

Would agree with Dazdaz. how about the Levasseur PL 10?

If right, please treat a open house.

[MReyn24050]

S'land has it :ok::D.It is as dazdaz said a French Aircraft. The Levasseur PL.101 in fact.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Levasseurpl101-3.jpg
As S'land says Open House

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH080713.gif

[chiglet]

DH81 Swallow Moth
watp,iktch

[evansb]

DH.81 Swallow Moth it is:ok: You have control.

[chiglet]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/chiglet/s3b.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/chiglet/s3b.jpg?t=1216050309

[MReyn24050]

Tupolev Tu 334 by any chance?

[chiglet]

Correct...over to you.
watp,iktch

[MReyn24050]

Thanks chiglet here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Silhouettequiz15.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Plenty of viewers but no takers. This aircraft first flew end of 1920s

[RAF_Techie101]

It's an aircraft...? Had me fooled....

[chiglet]

Gone through all my referencies...no joy :{
watp,iktch

[S'land]

This is causing a few problems.

How about the Gloster I?

[dazdaz]

Ummm. Two seater, twin props, 1920s, post WWI......Might help other posters, I'm thinking Italian or USA?

Daz

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft, and for RAF_Techie101 I will confirm it was an aircraft, was a two seater first flew June 1929 and was built in Germany.

[S'land]

This is proving impossible, Usually MReyn24050 warns us about difficult identifications by saying that it is easy and will not last long. One feels very let down this time as one had no warning about how difficult it would be to identify this aircraft. :{

Is it a two seat version of the Arado 68?

[whiz]

A shot in the dark ..... Rumpler ?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry S'land, quite often mine are easy and I thought by not saying it was easy I was being fair :). This aircraft is not an Arado or a Rumpler. As this bird certainly was rare I will give you a couple of clues. The aircraft was built as a 2 seat reconnaissance floatplane. The name of the manufacturer had the same name as the friendly apparition which was the 'star' of an animated cartoon series.;)
Mel

[S'land]

Thanks for the clue Mel.

How about a Caspar C 36?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry JENKINS it is not a Heinkel, S'land has it :ok:. It is indeed the Casper C 36W.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft%20Silhouette/Caspar_C_36W.jpg
You have control.

[S'land]

Thanks Mel. That was a hard one. The only thing in the last clue that you did not give was the model number, so I cannot claim any genius there. Heinkel worked as chief designer for Caspar before going off to start his own company.

On to the next one.

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/Sundland/sil3.jpg?t=1216212565

[dazdaz]

Got me flummoxed..Open cockpit, must be circa 1920-late 30s:ugh: I'm working on it.

Daz

[GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU]

Looks like a 12 cylinder donk. Italian?

[MReyn24050]

I agree with the 12 cylinder donk, possibly a Liberty Engine.

[S'land]

No not Italian. Yes 12 cylinder engine.

Prototypes appeared in Spring 1935.

Edited to add:
Mel, not a Liberty Engine.

[evansb]

Kawasaki Ki-10 Type 95 'Perry'.

[S'land]

Well done Bri. It is indeed the Kawasaki K-10 Type 95 !Perry".
Designed by Takeo Doi and powered by a Kawasaki Ha-9IIa twelve cylinder liquid cooled "V" engine.

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/Sundland/Kawasaki_KI-10_Type_I_biplane1.jpg?t=1216289258


You have control.

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH080717.gif

[dazdaz]

Grabbing at straws, but maybe the....F-105D having said that, it might be really something up to date (red herring) Euro Fighter? Posting to help others. Sorry if I'm wrong on both counts.

Daz

[evansb]

Not a F-105 or a 'Euro Fighter'. Nice compliment, as some people think it would be up-to-date to this day.

[treadigraph]

Avro Arrow... gorgeous... or it would have been...:{

PS, if I'm right, open house as I may not be back until later tonight!

[dazdaz]

May I raise a 'point of order' to all the posters/committee members as to the last post by Evansb.

It has come to my attention, that the said post, seems to be a 'free hand' drawing of an a/c and not a silhouette, therefore I put it to the the 'committee members' that the post/hand drawn depiction by Evansb be excluded on this forum. Which I consider 'Not playing the game':=

Daz

[evansb]

Avro CF-105 Arrow is correct. Actually, few of the postings on this forum are true silhouettes. Most are mechanical drawings that include a great many details. A silhouette is defined as an outline of a body viewed as circumscribing a mass. My Piaggio P148 posting certainly meets the definition, as does the Avro Arrow, and the Douglas C-74. Don't confuse 3-view plans and blueprints with silhouettes.

Here is an example of a true silhouette:http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Tupolev.jpg

[chiglet]

It could be a "poor copy".....but agreed, it's not a 3 view. I think that it should stand. After all it is for fun, with no money involved...I hope :ok:
watp,iktch
edited to say that we crossed paths

[chiglet]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/chiglet/sv.jpg?t=1216317383

My next contibution
watp,iktch

[Kieron Kirk]

Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary.

Silhouette- Etienne de Silhouette (1709-1767 French Minister of Finance in 1759! The then popular pastime of making shadow-portraits was a favourite hobby of M. Silhouette who gave his name to this style of profile.) "a shadow outline filled in with black".

Sorry evansb, your silhouettes are not.

Ciarain.

[chiglet]

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v505/chiglet/th_haltonsil.jpg
This is a silhouette... of what?
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v505/chiglet/th_halton.jpg
A Halton private venture
Yes, I know that it says "Silhouette Challenge, but [semantics aside], quite a few posters have been using 3 views, and some just a side view, which personally I find acceptable. However, if the majority want to change it, then so be it.
watp,iktch
As I said earlier, it's just for fun

[Kieron Kirk]

Chiglet.

This is a silhouette of... what?

Exactly. That is the purpose of the thread!

Ciarain.

[dazdaz]

Kieron Kirk
I must agree with you Sir. I'm most confused as to the above post. I'm thinking area 51

Can we start with a new 'Open House' . Any takers?

Daz

[evansb]

Is chiglet's Halton related to the Halton Aircraft Apprentice Association?

[dazdaz]

This for starters..........

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/TU122001.jpg

Daz

[chiglet]

Grumman Mowhawk
watp,iktck
PS, my challenge at post 229 is still running

[dazdaz]

Chiglet

Maybe so so? But version plz. ie. A*-1**

Daz. I'm still working on your last piccy

[dazdaz]

Chiglet....Well done Sir, it is the AO-1BF.

I wish you all a good night. Chat tomorrow and more posts.

Daz

[diesel addict]

Armstrong-Whitworth "Scimitar" ??

[chiglet]

Give that man a cigar :ok:
You have control
watp,iktch

[diesel addict]

Air Borne Cigar - that even pre-dates me.

Most of my books are in storage pending moving.
Will someone else please post a challenge ?

Proof of the arrival of old age is looking at a 3-view and recognising the shape instantly - but dragging the associated name from the elderly memory ? Oh dear...

[S'land]

As Diesel Addict has declared open house, can I slip this one in?

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/Sundland/sil4.jpg?t=1216475276

[chiglet]

Looks like a "RUFE" to me [AM6 floatplane variant of the Zero, full code escapes me at the mo]
watp,iktch

[S'land]

Well done Chiglet, it is indeed the Nakajima AGM"-N Navy Type 2 Floatplane Fighter, codename "Rufe".
Developed from the Mitsubishi Zero.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/A6N2-N_Rufe.jpg

You have control.

[chiglet]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/chiglet/sil1.jpg?t=1216482768
Try this one......
watp,iktch

[sycamore]

Fletcher FD-25B Defender....

OPEN HOUSE IF IT IS

[chiglet]

I hate you, Butler......:ok: Thought I'd get a bit more milage out of that :{ You are [of course] correct.
Open house it is then
watp,iktch

[dazdaz]

Just passing.......Check it out......

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/TU122004.jpg

[sycamore]

Cessna/Robertson/Brico 0-2ST Sandcrab.....

Chig...don`t call me Butler,unless you post a silhouette of Joanna Lumley,and I`ll be her `Butler`...

[evansb]

The Rhein Flugzeugbau RFV-1.

[dazdaz]

Well done Evansb, you have control

Daz

[evansb]

Thanks. Excellent challenge. I had some difficulty finding a photo of the RFV-1 for confirmation.
Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH080720.gif

[dazdaz]

Um?? I'm thinking Avro Shackleton, my only doubt is that the above silhouette seems a bit shorter in length. Maybe another version?

Daz