Silhouette challenge

[Lightning Mate]

Merci Richard.

....et maintenant......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat225.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day mate. Indonesian? The Nurtanio NU-25 Kunang....maybe?

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6394/nurtaniodansikunangrs74.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/nurtaniodansikunangrs74.jpg/)

(What's this about Britain's airports closing down due to volcanic ash?!)

[Lightning Mate]

Good call Graeme :D

All UK airspace is closed until 1700 GMT because of ash from a rather large eruption in Iceland.

You have control.

[Noyade]

All UK airspace is closed until 1700 GMT because of ash from a rather large eruption in Iceland.Ever see the movie "Dante's Peak?" Find a disused mine...now! :)

Another crop...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9814/guessit.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/i/guessit.jpg/)

[drawbarz]

Could it be a Bede BD5J...?

John

if by some fluke I am correct can it be Open House as I am about to set out on the road...

[Lightning Mate]

Can't see it John.

Looking at the wing and intake positions this one is going to be a bit of a bugger.

Graeme wouldn't give us an easy one........

[Noyade]

Fuselage and wings are from a BD-5 but it was a twin-boomer...

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1246/notsurea.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/notsurea.jpg/)

[teusje]

That would make it the Acapella 100

[Noyade]

Acapella:ok: Your control teusje!


An unusual adaptation of the BD-5, the Acapella 100, appeared in the early 1980s. Designer Carl D. Barlow of Option Air Reno mated a BD-5 fuselage with a distinctive twin-boom empennage and fitted it with a 100 hp Continental O-200 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_O-200) engine. Later, a 200 hp Lycoming IO-360 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycoming_IO-360) was fitted, and the wings shortened from 26.5 feet to 19.5 feet, becoming the Acapella 200-S model. The prototype of this aircraft was first flown on June 6, 1980, with pilot Bill Skiliar at the controls. Unfortunately, it flew poorly and was difficult to control. Only the one prototype was built and it was donated to the Experimental Aircraft Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_Aircraft_Association)'s Airventure Museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EAA_AirVenture_Museum) in Oshkosh, Wisconsin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh,_Wisconsin), USA, where it is occasionally placed on display.

[teusje]

It'll have to be Open House as I'm at work now.

[Noyade]

OK then. Here's another modification to a well known aircraft...

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2342/amp2e.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/amp2e.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Slightly bigger...

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8493/ampr.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/ampr.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Good evening Graeme,

Seeing that USAF markings lurking in the shadows, I wonder could it be the modifications made to the bomb-bay area of the B-29 or B-50 to carry the Bell X-1 ?

[sycamore]

Looks more like a seaplane fuselage conversion,possibly a Convair ?

[Noyade]

Looks more like a seaplane fuselage conversion,possibly a Convair ? Afternoon sinco and sycamore. Flying-boat/amphibian conversion incorporating a new hull design...but not Convair.

[SincoTC]

In that case, how about a Catalina ?

Got to get back to work now, so Open House please if it is!

That new wider view completely turns what I was "seeing" inside-out; what is a now a prop's blur, I thought was a wrinkle in some skin against an aerofoil shaped cutout. DOH!!!

Unfortunately no more time to pursue it now!

Say Happy Birthday to LM if he shows up (probably out partying) :ok:

[Noyade]

Not a Catalina mate.

How's this then?

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/1429/onemorepiece.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/onemorepiece.jpg/)

[MReyn24050]

Grumman Widgeon modification?

[Noyade]

All yours Mel! :ok:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/335/theend2789461.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/theend2789461.jpg/)

[Noyade]

That new wider view completely turns what I was "seeing" inside-out; what is a now a prop's blur, I thought was a wrinkle in some skin against an aerofoil shaped cutout. DOH!!!Tell me about it. If you go back to one11's Stout image, I'd swear on a stack of bibles that the bloke that looked like Trotsky was standing in the world's largest wheel spat somewhere between the second or third engine on the starboard side of an extremely large aircraft. DOH!!! :)

[MReyn24050]

Thanks :ok:Graeme. What an ugly beast. When you posted the second photograph my thoughts were we were looking at the underside of the port wing of the Grumman Goose as the prop and pitot head seemed to match but could not convince myself. Then considered it to be a modified Widgeon but was not sure.

Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Quiz17.jpg
Mel

[Noyade]

Sorry Mel, the MAK-123. :)

[MReyn24050]

:ok: Well done. I should have cropped the photo a bit.:)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/mak123-1.jpg
You have control back.

[Noyade]

Maybe we have the same source? :)

I've hogged the thread enough mate. OPEN HOUSE. Good night!

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4508/mel4583818.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/mel4583818.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

I'd love to post something but I can't as I'm away from my home computer!!! Looking forward to the next one!!!!! RR

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Can I offer this one then, just to let everyone know I'm still here;

I just noticed after posting, the guy looking out looks just like me! How bizarre. (not a cryptic clue, just something I noticed)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/WtMiller/Image174.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

American, I guess? Is it a modded T-33/P-80?

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Not American, so thats one country crossed off

[MReyn24050]

Something experimental from Japan?

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Ooh Mel, your fingers are burning. Should be gone in a few minutes now I reckon.:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

KI-74 Patsy??????

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/Ki-74-1s.jpg

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Bullseye! Well done. Makes a change for me for it not to go in the very first post, lol.

You have control:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks mate. Here's an easy one....

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/PPrune160410.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Mitsubishi Ki-83 perhaps?

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

NONE of them are easy for me :)

Single seat twin? Puts me in mind of a single seater Me 210

[Ridge Runner]

Yes Mel!!! Your control!!!!

[MReyn24050]

Thanks RR and here is another easy one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Quiz%20Aircraft/Quiz18.jpg

[SincoTC]

Evening Mel,

Is it the Me 109V-43 ? (The third pre-production G series modified to test the butterfly tail)

If so then Open House please as I'm off soon!

[MReyn24050]

Evening Trevor.
That is the one :ok:.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Quiz%20Aircraft/Bf109G-014003.jpg
So as you say Open House.

[one11]

For old times sake, a sort of silhouette...........

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1604.jpg

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Boeing C-97? Perhaps one of the Super Guppy's?

[SincoTC]

I think it's the SGT (Super Guppy Turbine) with Allison engines)

I had to have another look when I was shutting down, but by the time I logged back on, HD had beaten me to it.

Definately off now though!!

[one11]

Over to you HD, Super Guppy it is
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1604p.jpg

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Cheers for that, Here;s the next.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/WtMiller/IMG_0005crop.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

I seem to recognise the wing tip but not the tail. As obvious clues have been left in I'm guessing something that we normally see as a single fin/rudder is, in this case, a twin? Having said all that I've no idea... yet!

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Your powers of deduction are serving you well, sir! Good hunting. I did remove the aircraft serial, ever since I discovered that you can google 'em :)

[Ridge Runner]

A Beaufort or Blenheim perhaps?

[Noyade]

You left out one Bristol, Martin, the Beaufighter (R2268). :)

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/971/r22897208113.jpg (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/r22897208113.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

I did mate but as usual I thought about it but then didn't say it! I couldn't find a twin-fin Beau! Bugger!

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

You got it Graeme, same picture too! Your control, hope I'm not too late for you:ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Wayne. How's the ash situation over there?

New one..

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7484/cropeq.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/cropeq.jpg/)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Its all sunshine and blue skies believe it or not, as I look out of the window, maybe we should have more volcanoes? :) The flight ban has been extended again though ansd its is playing havoc with my asthma. The medication I'm on has prevent me having ANY attacks for the last ten years and I've had five this week! And yet they say its all in the upper atmosphere and has not come down in South Yorkshire yet? hmm.

Your pic has got me wondering. I first thought of the C-123, but then noticed the inverted gull wing and that has got me pondering. Is it even American?

[Noyade]

Is it even American?

No mate. Thanks for the on-the-spot weather coverage. Glad you're not black with soot! A case for deep breaths and ventolin?

[one11]

Breda-Pittoni BP471 ?

[Noyade]

Yep. Your control Doug. Sorry for the delay, I'm in and out of the lounge-room watching Heartbeat.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5351/bp471cop.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/bp471cop.jpg/)
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1575/bredaw.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/bredaw.jpg/)

[one11]

Thanks Graeme - thats the picture that i found too. Going offline for a while - but here is one to work on....

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1204-1.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

A flying boat or WIGE of somekind? Certainly not designed for high altitudes! I'd guess at French or Russian?

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Yes Graeme, thats the order of the day (week) for me.

Latest pick looks awfully like the Westland Dreadnought to me

[one11]

Not French, Russian or a flying boat. WIGE ??? - not familiar with that one.


.....and in any case HD has it. Westland Dreadnought mailplane 1923.
So HD has control and I can go offline without holding things up. Cheers Doug

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1204p-2.jpg

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Thanks. BTW, WIGE stands for 'Wing In Ground Effect' and are also called Ekranoplans. I'm sure you know the rest.

Here's one which I thought looked incredibly hard when I cropped it, but now I dont think it is any more. time will tell

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/WtMiller/WTF1.png


edit, it would have been over in moments if I'd not gone back in and changed the file name, Duh! Was anyone quick enough?:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

Isn't it one of the new UAVs? Mantis?

WIGE = Wing In Ground Effect

RR

[Ridge Runner]

Ah, but you still left the serial!

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

I'm hoping its too small to help, leading to frustration as people try :)

[SincoTC]

Morning HD,

Is it a BAe Mantis ?

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Why yes it is. I originally left the props in but thought that was too easy. Put my mind at rest, was the serial of any help?

Your control:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

See my posts above mate!!!!! I puit up Mantis a few minutes ago, and no the serial wasn't too small!!

[Noyade]

Calm down mate. You're all suffering hypoxia from the ash. With a SaO2 of 98% I lucidly concur that your Mantis post was first! LOL :)

[Ridge Runner]

I'm nowhere near the ash mate!!!!!!

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Of course you did RR, I do apologize, I guess these new glasses aren't as good as I thought. Unless its all the ash on the lenses. It is all yours. Gutted about the serial though, shan't do that again :ok:

[Noyade]

I forgot! Indonesia? Tsunami (http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=gZQ&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&ei=_Y3JS7u1FZDssgP87aGwAw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CA0QBSgA&q=Tsunami&spell=1) country. Keep watching the beaches mate!

[Ridge Runner]

No, mate. I'm in Singapore. Off to Manila tomorrow!!! Much more to watch out for!!!

Thanks HD. I'll be back in a short while

RR

[Ridge Runner]

Here you go...
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune170410.jpg

[Noyade]

KOR-2 (Be-4)...?

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry, not that one, Graeme

[Noyade]

Wait a minute...SC-1 Seahawk...?

[Ridge Runner]

Bang on mate!!!!

You have control!!!!!

[Noyade]

Thanks mate! Singapore, you go to gaol for littering there, don't you? Keep your rubbish in your pockets mate!

Here ya go...

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/5230/anotherl.jpg (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/anotherl.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

It looks like a cabin version of the Iskra! But I'm sure its not.RR

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Is it a twin boom pusher prop?

[Noyade]

It looks like a cabin version of the Iskra!

Vivid imagination mate! :ok:

Is it a twin boom pusher prop?

Sorry mate, not twin boom but there is some pushing going on.

[Noyade]

I like to have my challenges solved before hitting the hay, so maybe this smoky image will help?

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/348/nightf.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/nightf.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Gonna have to turn in. Happy hunting. Night.

[Ridge Runner]

Now it looks like a Bellanca, Graeme

[Noyade]

Sorry Martin, not a Bellanca. I don't seem to be able to access Aerofiles any more but if you can it was a Howell Miller design. Mark Granville was one of the test pilots.

You just landed at AeroFiles! (http://aerofiles.com/home.html)

[MReyn24050]

That would be the unique Aerovel -4 then? Built in 1939, 4 seater and fitted with 2 Menasco C-4S 125hp engines.

[Noyade]

That's the one Mel.:ok: Other designations/names include HM-4 and "Moonship".

Your control mate.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9900/melsgotit.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/i/melsgotit.jpg/)

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Graeme. I am afraid I shall be out all day so will have to declare "Open House".
Mel

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

This shouldn't pose any problems. http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/WtMiller/wtf2.jpg

[Noyade]

Hi Wayne. The Sud-Ouest SO 8000 Narval...?

[Noyade]

Trying the old "hide the pusher" trick mate?! :)
(http://img696.imageshack.us/i/gnarval.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

"Trying the old "hide the pusher" trick mate?!" Isn't that a pub game mate? Or something you play with your wife?

[Noyade]

Hmmm...what sort of pubs do you have over there?

While you magnificently identified the Westland Dreadnought in record time I found this thinking I may be close..(I wasn't)...

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4912/notvj.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/notvj.jpg/)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Yes I was, I also tried to make it look like a swept wing jet - and failed :\

Is yours the new challenge then? I've seen it before but am struggling to place it. Germany perhaps?

[Noyade]

It is the new challenge and it's not German. That's a 100 hp motor up front.

[Noyade]

It's a powered cargo glider with a wingspan of 85 ft and the idea was to replace mules and carts particularly where there were no roads or railway lines. The concept was called "Planerlet" and there were a number of designs but they all had to be towed to altitude before the minute engine could take over. What country does that sound like..?

[teusje]

Niai Lem-3?

[Noyade]

That's the one! Your control mate. :ok:

http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/RAM/lem-3.html

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9402/maybe2213696.jpg (http://img63.imageshack.us/i/maybe2213696.jpg/)
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/672/lem32198564.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/lem32198564.jpg/)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Russia......or France

[teusje]

Thank you, Noyade. Here's the new challenge.
Should be an easy one.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae84/teusje/aircraft/challenge5.jpg

[Noyade]

Fiat G-56. That's Italian Wayne. ;):)

[teusje]

We have a winner. Yours again Noyade.

[Noyade]

Thanks teuje. Open house and I'll make for the exit. :ok:

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Yes, I'm on a delay switch again :}

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

I'll put this up. Not hard and I know Graeme would get it in a heartbeat, but he's not looking :E

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/WtMiller/q1-1.jpg

[one11]

Cunliffe Owen Concordia

Incidentally Noyade commented on being unable to access Aerofiles. i can still get in via my bookmarked URL but going in via Google comes up with "This Site may harm your computer"

I hope we are not seeing the beginning of the end of this fantastic site following the death of its creator K O Eckland in May last year

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Direct Hit. You have control

[sablatnic]

Aerofiles.com seems to be "dirty".
This is working, in Opera at least.
You just landed at AeroFiles! (http://www.aerofiles.net/home.html)

[one11]

Another bit of image pruning ( pun intended) ....

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1704.jpg

[Noyade]

Hi Doug, nice bit of pruning I must say but I think I found it, the Honningstad 5A Finnmark. The only picture I have shows it differently with two-bladed props and no floats?! Your "sponsonless" version is completely new to me. (Thanks to you and sablatnic for the Aerofiles situation, I don't know what "Opera" is, but it works. :ok:)

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5110/dgpg4t1nvljijsgnnefk.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/dgpg4t1nvljijsgnnefk.jpg/)

[one11]

Over to you Noyade. My source says the Finnmark was converted from the original wheel/ski amphibian to a true Flying Boat with 2 floats replacing the sponsons in 1954 but the 2 to 3 blade prop conversion was earlier.

[Noyade]

Thanks mate. Here's the next one, which as conveniently "pruned" itself...

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8605/selfcrop.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/selfcrop.jpg/)

[Bradenav]

Bonjour

Vought Corsair ?

[Noyade]

Sorry Richard, not from Vought. This is the prototype, production aircraft didn't keep the spinner.

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Boeing P-12?

[Noyade]

It is a Boeing fighter aircraft Wayne, but not the P-12.

[Noyade]

To speed this along, here's the same aircraft with the wings installed and gaps covered...

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7533/clotheson.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/clotheson.jpg/)

[trucky04]

Boeing model 203 ?

[Noyade]

Boeing model 203

Welcome trucky but sorry mate, not the Model 203. This is a fighter aircraft (carrier based).

[Bradenav]

Boeing XF2B-1?

[Noyade]

That's the one Richard. :ok: The XF2B-1 (model 69) which was the prototype for the F2B-1. Your control.

[Walter-Karl]

Hi Doug and Noyade,
Funny how conflicting info can exist on a one-of-kind aircraft, in this case the Finnmark 5.
I understand it was known as the Finnmark 5A in original form with cantilever wings, large fuselage sponsons, 2-bladed props and that in that form it was a pure flying boat. The aircraft later had 3-bladed props and more conventional stabilizing floats under the wings replaced the sponsons.
It became the Finnmark 5A-II when the retractable u/c was fitted.
It seems all modifications fit, but the question remains, was it a flying boat first and then an amphibian, or the other way around.
I suggest the the one with the correct info will be given a statue.:D

[Bradenav]

Bonjour à tous

Good luck for this one :

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/6139/58686078.jpg (http://img543.imageshack.us/i/58686078.jpg/)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Ikarus 214?

[Lightning Mate]

We've already had that one.

30 June 2008.

[Ridge Runner]

We had it even more recently than that too (08 April 2010)! Even so I think it is the 214

[Lightning Mate]

I'm just wondering if it's a Siebel 204.

The Ikarus had two auxiliary small round intakes as well as the main cooling intake. I wonder if the engines were Rangers?

[Ridge Runner]

The plexiglas framing matches the 214 I think. THe engine intakes match the 214 too.
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/BradicSrecko/4650.jpg
Actually you are right about the small intakes LM. Maybe this is a variant of the original? Or was it produced under-licence somewhere else?

[Ridge Runner]

One thing's for sure... its not an Ikarus 212

http://www.freeweb.hu/busztipusok/212/212jk.gif (http://www.freeweb.hu/busztipusok/212/212j.jpg)

[one11]

My source had .....

1 5A First flight "as a flying boat" 2 blade props, sponsons17 Sep 1949
2 Amphibian with retractable wheel/ski undercarriage 5A-II Fitted winter 1950/1
3 As above with 3 blade prop..
4 Sponsons and undercarriage removed, floats added 1954

[Bradenav]

Sorry for being so late : Neither Ikarus nor Siebel

Cheers

Richard

[Walter-Karl]

one11, thank you very much for the info and chronology seems very logical.
Started at flying boat without floats, then amphibian and ended as flying boat with floats.
Thanks:D

[one11]

Just in case there are some more engines out-of-shot.....Heinkel He116B ?

[Bradenav]

Nothing hidden:) Only two props: It's not an Heinkel

[Noyade]

Would you believe me if I told you I recognised the white-haired gent at right and then I found the aircraft? :)

The Praga E-51.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3023/wwwairwarrue514to8.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/i/wwwairwarrue514to8.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

A nice challenge and a good crop by Richard. I was convinced it was a 214 and many things matched! RR

[Bradenav]

Bonjour l'Australie .
:ok: Next time I will erase the man too :)

Noyade ,you have the control

[Lightning Mate]

Would you believe me if I told you I recognised the white-haired gent at right and then I found the aircraft?

Your brother then.......:E

[Noyade]

No, it's Mr Praga..isn't? :)

Thanks Richard! Here's a wind tunnel model but the real thing was built and flown...

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4430/itflew.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/itflew.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Hard to tell from the above, but it's a "pusher."

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3641/two.jpg (http://img541.imageshack.us/i/two.jpg/)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Just found the same photo of the real one in a book. The Tatin-Paulhan Torpille, with pusher prop mounted at the extreme tail.

OH if confirmed

[Noyade]

The Tatin-Paulhan Torpille

Nicely done mate! :ok:

The Pioneers : An Anthology : Victor Tatin (1843-1913) (http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/tatin.html)

Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

Here goes

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat222-1.jpg

[Noyade]

Damn that was a quick response to an open house?!

Is yours the Russian BI-1 rocket fighter?

[Lightning Mate]

Damn that was a quick response to an open house?!

Photobucket open - Ctrl C

F5, F5, F5...

Ctrl V

Ever heard of Quick Reaction Alert in the air defence world?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/seemples.jpg Seemples

The Bereznyakov-Isaev BI-1 :ok:

Control goes to the Southern Hemisphere.

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry mate but it doesn't look like a BI-1!
Actually I see that there were a number of subtle differnces in different machines so maybe it is!
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Research/Bereznyak-Isayev/BI/bi_3-tn.jpg (http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Research/Bereznyak-Isayev/BI/bi_3.jpg)

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Research/Bereznyak-Isayev/BI/bi_4-tn.jpg (http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Research/Bereznyak-Isayev/BI/bi_4.jpg)

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Research/Bereznyak-Isayev/BI/bi_1-tn.jpg (http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Research/Bereznyak-Isayev/BI/bi_1.jpg)

[evansb]

Dear Moderators, As Silhouette Challenge no longer reflects the nature of this thread, I suggest it be named Name the Aircraft. Thank you.

[teusje]

I'm afraid I have to correct you on your latest challenge, LM.

Bereznyakov-Isaev BI-1I think that should read Berezhnyak-Isaev BI-1.

[SincoTC]

Blimey LM,

They all seem to be on your case this evening, the young whippersnappers!!

Nil desperandum; your lights not on at the moment, but I hope you had a good day last Friday :ok: and keep up the good work..... please!

TC

[Lightning Mate]

Dear Moderators, As Silhouette Challenge no longer reflects the nature of this thread, I suggest it be named Name the Aircraft. Thank you.

You do not need to involve the moderators - the thread is played any way the players wish.

Please feel free to start a parallel thread.

OK. This is Lightning Mate signing off for now. Bye bye.

TC,

Yes, I had a great day thank you. Got the usual e card from Prune and celebrated with son and daughter from different marriages.

[Noyade]

Thanks David. The canopy looked different to what I have, but couldn't think of anything else.

Found this on the net...

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/2849/crop2c.jpg (http://img704.imageshack.us/i/crop2c.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Russian.

Panning back...

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5589/crop3p.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/crop3p.jpg/)

[one11]

Failed to locate your web source but, from descriptions the Michelson/Nikitin Mu-4 or a Shavrov product would appear to be candidates

Two wheel/ski amphibians within 4 days ?

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme,

I've searched pretty hard for your elusive amphibian during work breaks today, but I have to agree with one11, it does look like the Mikhelson/Nikitin Mu-4 trainer flying boat.

This is all I could turn up, but it seems to fit the bill.

MU-4 and MU-5 flying boats by N.G.Mikhelson/V.V.Nikitin (http://ram-home.com/ram-old/mu-4.html)

I'd say well done one11 :D

[Noyade]

Nicely done Doug and Sinco. I have it as the Nikitin MU-4 trainer. It's 0630 hrs here and I'm heading for work. :(

Your control Doug. :ok:

Cheers,
Graeme.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/194/1o11373693.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/1o11373693.jpg/)

[one11]

Thanks Graeme. Try this one next.........

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1804c.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

A Klemm machine????

[evansb]

I think this is an American machine..

[one11]

Evansb is correct, so not a Klemm

[SincoTC]

Morning one11,

Variable incidence?? Is it the Cornelius LW-1 ?

The only photo I found is similar but the cowling and windshield vary slightly.

Coffe time over now, so back to work 'til one o'clock.

[one11]

Thats the one SincoTC........you have control


http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1804.jpg

[SincoTC]

Thanks one11,

The picture I found was the same machine but after it had been painted and appears to have aquired frameless windshields, a silencer and another row of louvres to the cowl, which appeared to me as reasonable, as yours looked like it was when rolled-out.

Unfortunately, as I'm at work and only online sporadically during breaks, I'll have to declare Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

First time online for a few days and what do I find, an OH.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat230.jpg

[SincoTC]

That looks very interesting LM!

Shaft driven vertical props under the wings, is there another one on the top of the fin for an early shot at VTOL or are they just for lift augmentation?

Unfortunately I'm out of time now and I bet it'll be gone before I can get back, soddit!

[Lightning Mate]

Shaft driven vertical props under the wings, is there another one on the top of the fin for an early shot at VTOL or are they just for lift augmentation?

It was a conversion of an existing aeroplane into a helicopter. There is no prop on the tail.

Whilst the original aeroplane flew, I can find no evidence to suggest that the conversion did.

[Ridge Runner]

but it was built, mate?

[Lightning Mate]

Yes, it was built. That's a photo of it and the engine appears to be running if you look at the prop.

[evansb]

Hamilton Metalplane Maiden Milwaukee ?

[Lightning Mate]

Excellent shooting evansb. :D

Please take the floor.

[evansb]

Thank you. The motor for the rotors was located in the fuselage. Here is the next mystery aeroplane:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH100422.jpg

[one11]

Comper Mouse - 1933

[evansb]

one11 is correct:ok: Well done. Your control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/G-ACIX-Comper-Mouse-Hatfiel1.jpg

[one11]

Sorry for the delay, PPRune seemed to be off-the-air earlier......

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune2304.jpg

[Bradenav]

Hello

It could be the Mitsubishi Army type 92 ?

[Lightning Mate]

That's interesting.

Did the Japanese use Huck starters?

......and that prop just doesn't look real - no blade twist - looks like a dummy

[Bradenav]

At those times many german ,french ,american , and british worked in Japan :).

Here is the bird :

Axis History Forum • View topic - Info: Early Japanese Army Air Force Aircraft (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=23229)

[one11]

It could be the Mitsubishi Army type 92 ?

It could and it is - the Mitsubishi Type 92 or 2MR8. Here it is complete with some more of the Hucks. Over to you Bradenav
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune2304p.jpg

[Bradenav]

Thank you one11.

Here the next ; Good luck
Richard


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2503/85750607.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/i/85750607.jpg/)

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[Noyade]

G'day Richard. Possibly the AFE AvStar?...

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2189/glassp.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/i/glassp.jpg/)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

I can't view the quiz image unfortunately. I tried firefox, ie8 and chrome, my normal browser, but it wont show in any of them? From Graemes guess (hope your right btw) whatever the original was, it looks right up my street, bloody typical :ugh:

[Noyade]

I can't view the quiz image unfortunately.You can't see it mate? A case of the emperor's clothes?

Sorry, I'm just screwing with ya! I can't see anything either! :)

Just have to wait for Richard to return. :hmm:

[Bradenav]

Hello

I don't understand :yesterday ,at GMT 22-2 it was visible ...probably some Imageshak bugg .

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Ooh, now my head IS screwed:confused:

The image is viewable but far from an 80's composite exec design it looks like a two seat trainer version of the Mitsubishi A5M, wibble:confused:

[Bradenav]

Hello

I never put a pic of a 80' composite:)
But you are right : it's the Mitsubichi A5M4K-2 (Claude) training plane.:ok:

Japan's Mitsubishi A5M, "Claude" - World War II Vehicles, Tanks, and Airplanes (http://www.wwiivehicles.com/japan/aircraft/fighter/mitsubishi-a5m-claude.asp)

You have the control HamoniousDragmaster:)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Ooh, unexpected bullseye! :eek: back in a bit chaps.

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Here we go. This one I have captioned;

"Nice repair Capatain, you can hardly see the join"

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/WtMiller/IMG-6.jpg

[Noyade]

Saro A-33...?

Or should that be Saunders-Roe?

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

WOW, one bloody minute! And I thought it was obscure.:ugh: Go Graeme!:ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Wayne! Saw that photo years ago in a British magazine called "Wingspan." (Is it still in publication?)

Try this...

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/2343/cuth.jpg (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/cuth.jpg/)

[Bradenav]

Hello

ALBATROS L 59

(BTW ,L 59 or L 60 had identical wing and aft wing part (Single seat L59 and two seats L 60),but I have found the very same pic : L 59)

[Noyade]

Albatros L.59 will do me fine mate! :ok: Back to you Richard!

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2119/pxa01061876866.jpg (http://img249.imageshack.us/i/pxa01061876866.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

Things are certainly flying well this morning, unlike the poor old Saro A-33; there's a nice pair of before and after pictures here:

1989 | 2349 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1989/1989%20-%202349.html)

Well done Graeme and Richard, hard luck Wayne, I think that may be a record!

[Bradenav]

And a new one :Good luck .

[URL=http://img28.imageshack.us/i/72587943.jpg/]http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8527/72587943.jpg[/URL

[Walter-Karl]

The Eklund TE-1 from Finland?
If correct, OPEN HOUSE please

[Bradenav]

:ok: It's right , it's the Eklund TE-:ok:


OPEN HOUSE

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1677/52888610.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/52888610.jpg/)

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[Noyade]

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3493/piecef.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/piecef.jpg/)

[teusje]

Fokker F.10?

[Noyade]

Sorry mate, not a Fokker.

[Bradenav]

What about a Stinson 6000 ?
Cheers
Richard

[Noyade]

Sorry Richard, not a Stinson, but you are looking in the right country.

[Noyade]

I'll have to leave it there, I'm sorry, but I'll be up early tomorrow being ANZAC Day. :ok:

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4177/ocustomhi37124253.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/ocustomhi37124253.jpg/)

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

It's the 1929 Kreutzer "Air Coach" K-5

http://www.goldenwingsmuseum.com/Aircraft%20Pages/Kreutzer.htm

Open House please as I'm offline tomorrow!

Have a great ANZAC day Mate! :ok: PS. I like the self-portrait above :) :)

[Lightning Mate]

Er...has Graeme confirmed his challenge or have I missed something?

[evansb]

It appears I have jumped the gun and posted a challenge before Noyade's confirmation of SincoTC's answer. Sorry.:\ We await Graeme's confirmation.

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you.

Since there is no doubt that TC has won, I think that Graeme has not bothered to confirm. Surely he has been up now for quite some time and must now be close to going zzzzzzzzzzzzz again.

Still, it's not like him.

Now what?

[Lightning Mate]

So evansb,

Since your post is out of order, are you going to remove it? After all, rules are rules, and the etiquette and discipline on this thread are usually excellent.

[MReyn24050]

Surely he has been up now for quite some time and must now be close to going zzzzzzzzzzzzz again. Still, it's not like him.

It's Anzac Day he has probably downed a few tinnies. :)

[Noyade]

I think that Graeme has not bothered to confirm. Guilty. Sorry. I had a very quick look at PPRuNe yesterday morning and noted that Sinco had not only identified the K-5 but found the source and declared OH (clever bastard! :)). I saw also that Brian had moved on with this and posted the next challenge which seemed perfectly fine to me and therefore left it at that and proceeded to get on with the ANZAC long weekend.

Official "kill" goes to Sinco who has declared Open House. Apologies once again for being lazy. :ok:

[Ridge Runner]

OH? Well oklay, how about this easy one....?

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune220410.jpg

[Bradenav]

Bonjour à tous

CORNELIUS XFG-1 ?


http://www.aerofiles.net/corn-xfg.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Yes it is Richard. It was designed as a gliding fuel tank for bombers!!! You have control. RR

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning et bonjour.

[Bradenav]

Thank you Ridge Runner.

An easy one too ,maybe...


[URL=http://img27.imageshack.us/i/69049471.jpg/]http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3646/69049471.jpg[/URL

[Ridge Runner]

A Chrislea machine?

[Bradenav]

No ,sorry .

[Ridge Runner]

Its French, I guess???

[Lightning Mate]

I've been looking at French since Richard posted it.

Nothing so far :\

Methinks the entrance door is on the right side.....

[Bradenav]

It's NOT french ...

[Walter-Karl]

Schempp-Hirth GS6 Milan with the retractable nosewheel?

[Bradenav]

:ok: Walter-Karl

YOU HAVE THE CONTROL:)


Here a picture with the nose wheel out :
Aircraft (M) (http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/browse/IM.HTM)




And here the full picture :

[URL=http://img249.imageshack.us/i/12494526.jpg/]http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6708/12494526.jpg[/URL

[Walter-Karl]

Dear Bradenav, thank you for the link and picture of the GS6 Milan

Open House, please. (till I get a PC running on eletricity rather than on steam) :mad:

[Lightning Mate]

I'll respond to that:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat233.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Walter,


(till I get a PC running on eletricity rather than on steam)

Wossa problem?

[Bradenav]

Bonjour à tous from the sunny Bretagne.

I think it could be the Fuetterer-Schoettler I , built in 1925 at Lunghwa (China)

[Lightning Mate]

Bonjour à vous Richard.

You would be correct :ok:

(I have the date as 1923).

You have the thread. :)

[Bradenav]

Hello

A new easy one ,almost a silhouette ...

Cheers

Richard



http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3331/57877645.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/i/57877645.jpg/)

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[Lightning Mate]

I wish I had some of your books Richard!

Is this Italian?

[Bradenav]

Hello

Sorry ,it's not Italian.

Btw , I like (love) those old "year-books" ::)
I just receive today (found trough ebay) the Aviation Magazine Special 1951 ,something like a very poor man's Jane's 1951 ,for only 20 €.
Last winter ,the Jane's 1948 for 85 € ,from ...South Africa !
All this began with the 1955 Observer's ( certainly the best Observer's from 1941 to 1993) I got in 1959 .

The challenge is in some books and on the WWW.:Good luck

Richard

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Richard

Those floats seem very short. I'm guessing therefore that this is a short fuselaged machine?

RR

[Lightning Mate]

Good afternoon RR - now I don't feel alone.

There's something else about the floats as well.
Thay are dead ringers for the ones on the Sirius.

[teusje]

Heinkel He-5?

[Bradenav]

Short floats : yes ,for some reasons :)
It's not an Heinkel ,but it's german ,and from the same years .

Good luck

Richard

[teusje]

Could it be the Arado W2?

[Ridge Runner]

Good afternoon RR - now I don't feel alone.

Sorry it was just a fleeting visit mate! Hope you're okay. Martin

[SincoTC]

Evening Richard,

Could it be the LFG V-19 Submarine based floatplane ?? Some references call it the Stralsund V.19 from where LFG were based.

I can only find a three-quarter rear view, but the cowling and floats look right, from your front view, I'd say it was a rotary engine and the V-19 had a Oberursel UII rotary. Presumably, the short floats would be so that it can be packed into its small container.

Got to go now, so if it's correct, please declare Open House.

[Bradenav]

:ok: SincoTC ,it's right . The submarine base explain why the floats so short were .

And now we are waiting for the next :)

[Lightning Mate]

I'm not worried if you know the guys in the pic.

The aeroplane will do:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat245.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

A Q.6? I can't remember the manufacturer!

[Lightning Mate]

Wossa Q6 mate?

Just found it, and I think you may mean Percival. But sorry no.

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Not some sort of reprofiled Monospar is it?

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry HD - it isn't as far as I know.

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

I'm really struggling with finding a pobjoy powered low wing monoplane that isn't a monospar ;) and yet everytime I look back at it I'm thinking 'Mitsubishi':confused:

[Lightning Mate]

Correct with the engines mate, but it isn't Japanese.

[SincoTC]

Morning LM,

I think it's the Dutch designed Walraven 2 of 1935. (built in the Far East for a Chinese customer)

If correct, Open House please as coffee-break's over now and back to work!

[Lightning Mate]

Excellent call TC - the Walraven 2 "Seletar". :ok:

Here's another view:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/7021.jpg


This aircraft was designed in 1934 by the Dutchman Laurens W. Walraven in the Dutch East Indies for the Chinese millionaire Khouw Khe Hien, who wanted a fast and comfortable two-seat aircraft to visit his food companies dispersed over the Indonesian archipelago. Of wooden construction, this was one of the first purpose-designed business aircraft. This aircraft was designed in 1934 by the Dutchman Laurens W. Walraven in the Dutch East Indies for the Chinese millionaire Khouw Khe Hien, who wanted a fast and comfortable two-seat aircraft to visit his food companies dispersed over the Indonesian archipelago. Of wooden construction, this was one of the first purpose-designed business aircraft.TC has declared Open House......

but perhaps you might hold fire for a short while in case he can get back in his lunch break.

[SincoTC]

Thanks for the consideration LM,

I am indeed back on my lunch break, but it's a short one and there's a busy afternoon ahead, so I wouldn't be able to monitor it.

I see quite a few familiar names on-line, so to keep the ball rolling Open House please someone!

BTW, it's a great shame that this great little aeroplane didn't fulfill its promise. The Chinese millionaire backer was killed in an air-crash (in a Martin B10) a couple of years later and the project died with him! The surviving prototype was destroyed by the advancing Japanese Army a few years later.:(

[Lightning Mate]

BTW,

My post 8007 on page 401 would have taken you straight to my last challenge.:)

[Lightning Mate]

Where is everyone?

I note that you are on line one11.

[evansb]

Okay Gents, here is my re-post of a mystery aircraft:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH100424A-1.jpg

[sycamore]

Looks a little Bell-ish...

[evansb]

Not from Bell, but it is a type of project that Bell would embrace.