Silhouette challenge

[Mechta]

Well done Ridge Runner:ok:, yes its the Calquin or Royal Eagle from Argentina.

[Lightning Mate]

Dunno owyoudiddat!

It's unintelligible to me at 75 x 75. :\

[Mechta]

Well done Ridge Runner:ok:, yes its the Calquin or Royal Eagle from Argentina.

You have control!

LM, I don't know how big it looks to you, but my attempts to make the image smaller didn't work for me (I tried resizing the original and dragging the the image in the post and neither worked). Are you seeing it big or small?

[Ridge Runner]

Hi David, SINCOTC, RegDep, Richard, et al!!!!!

Here's the next!!!!

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune041010.jpg

RR

[Lightning Mate]

LM, I don't know how big it looks to you, but my attempts to make the image smaller didn't work for me (I tried resizing the original and dragging the the image in the post and neither worked). Are you seeing it big or small?

I'm seeing it tiny. I took it into Photoshop and blew it up, only to get lots of broken dotted lines!

[skytrain10]

Good afternoon all

Mechta, your 3-view looks huge to me (fills the screen!). Shows as 1016 x 1024. In the upload options you should have the ability to limit the size (I have mine set at 640 max).

Hi Martin...a French machine maybe?

[Ridge Runner]

Hi young Ken! Not French mate!

hope you are all well!!!!

M

[Lightning Mate]

Hi Kid!!!!

Nice to see the thread moving in its' good'ol ways. :)

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Kid!!!!

Nice to see the thread moving in its' good'ol ways. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif


Sorry I've not been around David and actually I am away again from tomorrow!!!! I hope I'm not in your bad books as a result?

RR

[Lightning Mate]

Not at all mate. :)

The challenge has an unusually high canopy. Was it designed as an Ag machine?

[Mechta]

Hi Ligtning Mate & Skytrain10. Thanks for the feedback. I'm still seeing the image filling the page despite attempts to reduce it.

Skytrain10, Where do I find the tool which allows me to limit the size to 640pixels please?

[Ridge Runner]

Was it designed as an Ag machine?

No David, something(s) quite different!

Oh, and yes, it was high!

[RegDep]

PIK 25 Glider Tower photoed against Finnish pine forest

Mechta: your previous challenge shows on my screen stamp-size. Just to report.

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon RR,

Great to see you and skytrain back in action again :ok:

Is it the BHT-1 Beauty ??

[Lightning Mate]

Mechta,

Now your last challenge has appeared re-incarnated as huge.

I size all mine on my computer before uploading to Photobucket.

[skytrain10]

Hi Kid!!!!

Nice to see the thread moving in its' good'ol ways.

Like RR I've not been around...2 weeks holiday in France. Now just trying to get back into the swing of things. Nice to be missed though.

Great to see you and skytrain back in action again

Thanks Sinco....and incidentally I suspect you are correct with the BHT-1!

[drawbarz]

Hi All,

Nothing to say...I was just feeling left out :{

John

[Lightning Mate]

Left out!!

You're never alone with a fighter pilot for company......


....and incidentally I suspect you are correct with the BHT-1!

I'll drink to that.

Choice of two TC. Which one mate?

[skytrain10]

Hi Mechta

Where do I find the tool which allows me to limit the size to 640pixels please?In Photobucket, if you click on "more options" just underneath the green "Upload Images and Videos" box, you'll see a selection of sizes that you can set. It won't increase the size of your image but it will reduce large images to the specified sizes.

Incidentally your 3-view has now shrunk to a very small image!

[Ridge Runner]

Is it the BHT-1 Beauty ??

It is!! You have control!

[RegDep]

Now that I have seen the picture of the Beauty against a Swedish pine forest, I am throwing the towel in :{

BHT-1 (http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/cgi-bin/res.pl?keyword=BHT-1&offset=0)

You must understand why I was betting PIK the "Quarter", though :sad:

http://www.windcraft.fi/pik27/faq/pic/pik25.jpg

Yes, yes, LG is different......

[Lightning Mate]

TC,

Wanna 020 or 021?

[SincoTC]

Thanks RR,

Same designer as the Draken I believe.

LM, Please put up 021 as I've temporarily mislaid the info on 020 :uhoh:

[Lightning Mate]

Mislaid? Oh dear.

A little sumfing from TC:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/TC_wtf021.jpg

[skytrain10]

Aviation Traders Accountant maybe?

[RegDep]

ATL-90 Accountant

oh :mad:

[Lightning Mate]

Try reheat RegDep. :E

[SincoTC]

Not maybe mate !! It is!! Despite it's name, the figures just didn't add up and it was scrapped :sad:

I saw it on the runway on its maiden flight from Southend in 1957, I was on the top deck of a bus on my way back from school.

I knew my challenge was doomed as soon as I saw you were back online, I suspect you'd have gor my other one too, but it may have taken a little longer!

You have control skytrain :D

Edited to say tough luck Reg

[Lightning Mate]

Cracking thread today innit! :ok:

.....Southend in 1957, I was on the top deck of a bus on my way back from school.

Spoken like a good old fart!!

[RegDep]

Well TC, I thought it was a HS 780 Andover with refueling capabilities (because of the funny piece in the tail) and while trying to verify it stumbled on the Accountant. So in fact good luck but slow process.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Sinco...nice that you've actually seen it in the flesh so to speak. Sadly, as you say, it did not really live up to its name.

Here goes:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc205.jpg

[RegDep]

As an interim entry, before I find more about it:

de Havilland DH.81 Swallow Moth

EDIT: No, its not that, although it is not very far from Moth Minor Coupe....

[skytrain10]

As you've worked out RegDep, its not a Swallow Moth. To help you along and keep things moving, its not British. The engine is German, but the aircraft is not.

[skytrain10]

As all quiet, a further clue.

Its a Hirth engine.

[SincoTC]

Good evening skytrain,

Busy afternoon and no time to play, I've just been looking at Hirth and was about to ask, so thanks for confirming!

I've not been able to find your drawing, has it got retractable U/C ?

I wondered if it was the Hungarian Samu-Gednczy SG-2 of 1949, I can only find an artists impression and it has some features, but apparently it has fixed gear and the canopy looks wrong!

There was also a couple of Spanish trainers, but again only impressions.

Was it pre or post war?

[skytrain10]

Hi Sinco

You are in the right country but its not the Samu-Gednczy SG-2.

I believe the undercarriage is fixed although information that specific is limited.

Its neither pre or post war....early 1940's....that should help!

[SincoTC]

Thanks skytrain,

I looked at the MSrE M-25 Nebuló (Urchin) some time ago, but the tail and canopy didn't match, but the year and engine do and the images may have been the M-24!

Back to the search, but got to go soon!

Have to go now and I guess you're dining at the moment, so Open house please if this's correct.

[Lightning Mate]

I looked at the MSrE M-25 Nebuló (Urchin) some time ago, but the tail and canopy didn't match, but the year and engine do!

I would look again mate................

HA-NBE....

[skytrain10]

Well, despite your doubts Sinco it is the MsRE M25 Nebulo...:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/MRSEM25Nebulo.jpg
Although there are some differences the picture is generally close to the 3-view, although certainly the canopy is more streamlined in the photo. However as I sourced both the picture and 3-view from the same website I figured that the connection would be made!

So Sinco, you needn't search anymore, its over to you!

[Lightning Mate]

Ok TC, wanna the other one?...........

[SincoTC]

Evening LM,

Thanks for the support, I just did a quick Goggle on HA-NBE and didn't get anywhere as my computers doing is virus scan/backups at the moment so it's pretty glacial.

Sorry mate, but it'll have to an OH if it is the MSrE M-25 Nebuló, as I have go now and haven't got the info together for my next (although I have found it now)!!

Been a better day today innit :ok:

Thanks skytrain; Good Challenge, that picture confirms I was looking at the M-24 !!

Open House please as I should have been long gone!!

[Lightning Mate]

So nice to have the opportunity to post for myself instead of others:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat011.jpg


My stuff should be in the Tate innit!

[RegDep]

LM are you feeling all right?

[Mechta]

Ruppert Colibri Canard?

[Lightning Mate]

LM are you feeling all right?

Yes thank you, I'm fine. Clearly so is Mechta, who has found the challenge!

All yours mate. :ok:

[Mechta]

Thanks LM, I knew it was either a nasty accident or one of Mr Ruppert's designs...

Here's the next one:
http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz96/s4racergp/12guess061010.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning everyone.

A quick shot before I go into class.

Is it a Kawasaki?

[Mechta]

Good Morning LM, No I'm afraid its not a Kawasaki.

[skytrain10]

Morning Mechta. Looks American...is that a Curtiss engine?

[Mechta]

Good Morning Skytrain10, you're on the right track, it is American and that is a Curtiss OX-5 under the 'hood'.

Back in 30 minutes!

[Lightning Mate]

Is it the Brunner-Winkle Bird A?

[skytrain10]

Well, I was about to say the Bird Model A....but LM beat me to it!

[Mechta]

You're both right of course, but Lightning Mate gets to choose the next one:D

[Lightning Mate]

Was that ever a rush job between lectures!

In the interests of a moving thread, here's a quickie:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat014.jpg

[drawbarz]

Is it the MiG 105-11 Russian space shuttle thingy...

John

[Lightning Mate]

Nicely done John. :ok:

It is indeed the "thingy"......

The thread is all yours mate.

[drawbarz]

Thanks LM,

I doubt this will last long if yesterday was anything to go by...

http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss121/drawbarz/55.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Why have I got that sinking feeling....?

This looks like a fairly recent piece of kit judging by the wingtips. :uhoh:

[drawbarz]

not that recent designed in 1957. I 'silhouetted' it in a hurry, would you rather have the picture up instead? would it help?

J.

[Lightning Mate]

Nice of you, but let's stick to "silhouette challenge".

I've got it in Photoshop and am playing with it......

Just one thing - can you confirm it's a two-seater being flown solo?

[drawbarz]

Yep, two seats being flown from the rear seat...:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Ah well, back to lecturing gas turbines. :eek:

Catch you later - if it's still up........

[drawbarz]

ok mate...good luck

J.

[skytrain10]

Hi John...it looks like the Spezio Sport DAL-1....although according to one source that did not fly until 1961.

[RegDep]

Yes, but the designer had a knee surgery in 1957 and started designing it.... It is dubbed Tuholer, because it has two holes to sit in. See Tony's froggie & The Spezio Tuholer (http://www.tuholer.com) (tuholer.com)

Sorry drawbarz for stealing the fun from you.... :uhoh: :oh:

[drawbarz]

Well done Skytrain... :D

It is the Spezio DAL1 or Sport commonly known as the "Tuholer" as
Reg Dep pointed out...

Its all yours...:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Finished lecturing, come back, and what do I find.:\

Still, another curtain call coming up.........:)

[skytrain10]

Thanks John....and thanks for the background RegDep. Makes interesting reading.

Here's one to consider:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc206.jpg

[Bradenav]

Bonjour

Stampe SV 10 ?

Cheers
Richard

[skytrain10]

Well done Richard, it is the Stampe Vertongen SV-10 :ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/StampeVertongenSV-10.jpg

Bradenav has control.

[Bradenav]

Thanks
good luck for the (easy) new one:

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/47/52087717.jpg (http://img543.imageshack.us/i/52087717.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Looks a bit like a Minimoa to me.

[Bradenav]

Not only a bit : this is a (Schempp-Hirth) Göppingen Gö 3 "Minimoa"

You have the control .
Cheers

Richard

[Lightning Mate]

Merci Richard.

Sorry for the delay - work to home via supermarche.

A new one for you:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat013.jpg

[Bradenav]

Hello

Fieseler Fi 333 ?

[Lightning Mate]

Oui monsieur.

à vous

si longtemps

[Bradenav]

And a new very easy one :

[URL=http://img827.imageshack.us/i/39089243.jpg/]http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5913/39089243.jpg[/URL

[Ridge Runner]

It certainly looks French mate!

[Ridge Runner]

I guess it is a Latécoère of somekind?

[Bradenav]

Sorry ,it's not a Latécoère

[Ridge Runner]

Its French though?

[skytrain10]

Or Italian possibly? A project or was it actually produced?

[Bradenav]

It's French , and not only a project : It flew ...

[Mechta]

Sikorsky S-45 ???

[Mechta]

Sud-Est SE.200 Amphitrite

[skytrain10]

Struggling on this. It is similar to te SE200/H49 but the tail is flatter and the fuselage more streamlined. The only other not Lat design I have found is the Potez 161....and its definitely not that!:ugh:

Time to do some more in depth searching!

[Bradenav]

Mechta is right / SUD EST SE 200

Control is yours ,Mechta .

(Source is Observer's 1949) .

[Mechta]

Thanks Bradenav, A good challenge. :ok: I couldn't find a picture with that 'MAD Probe' on the back, but there couldn't be too many six engined french flying boats!

Here's the next. I'm afraid its a bit wee. I tried making it larger but it just blurred it:

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz96/s4racergp/12guess071010.jpg

[one11]

Muscariello ( or Ali Viberti) Musca.

Open house if I've finally got one again.

[Mechta]

It is Open House, as one11 is spot on.:D The Ali Viberti Musca 1 of 1948.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning, tag, bonjour.

I found this interesting piece of kit on the web:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat015.jpg

[evansb]

Aerial Experiment Association (AEA) Red Wing ?

[Lightning Mate]

Excellent shooting mate. :D

Please take the thread. :)

[Lightning Mate]

I calculate the local time in Lethbridge to be 0345, so we'll have to wait a while for evansb to finish :zzz:.

Time to get some more challenges sorted out.

[evansb]

Yes, thanks LM. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/What****e101006.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Blimey mate - not sleeping well??

[skytrain10]

Hi Bri, hope all is well out west? As you are no doubt about to go to sleep, just one question. From the lack of detail, would this be a project, or did it fly?

[Bradenav]

It looks French ,don't it ?

[trucky04]

The smooth lines give it an Italian feel??

[evansb]

Insomnia is keeping me at the keyboard. Yes, the aircraft did fly. Only three were built. Originally designed as a retractable tricycle gear.

[drawbarz]

I can't find a picture to confirm, but the undercarriage story sort of tallys with the Klemm KL 151...

John

Ok now I have found a picture of the Klemm and it isn't that...:sad:

[skytrain10]

Well, I had been thinking French like Bradenav, but I can't find anything that matches :ugh:

[Lightning Mate]

If anyone here believes in telepathy, please wake evansb up!!!!!

I'm defeated by this one. :\

[RegDep]

Yet another university aviation club in the fifties :hmm:.

[skytrain10]

Any thoughts on the engine....although it doesn't look unusual I have not managed to find an aircraft with a similar layout when viewed from the front. That would probably rule out the major engine manufacturers?

[evansb]

Okay, I'm awake. Sorry, it is not a Klemm. The motor on the first prototype was a Mathis.

[Lightning Mate]

Is this aeroplane a SIPA?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a SIPA. The mystery aircraft was a three-seater, and first flew in 1948.

[skytrain10]

Would it be a Nord 1220 Norelan....? Meets the criteria, although the only picture I have found seems to be different at the front....but that may be a later engine?

[evansb]

Oui! skytrain10 is correct:ok:. The Nord 1220 series commenced with the 1221 prototype. Your control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/affichenorelan1.jpg

[skytrain10]

Merci Brian....the Mathis engine was the give away, but I would have struggled without the clue. I went straight past the Norelan in Avifrance as it said there was only 1 N1221 and 1 N1222 produced....!

Just finishing off some work at present but will have something for you all shortly.

[skytrain10]

Nice advertisement by the way....was that in a mag or on the net?

Another challenge for you:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc208.jpg

[RegDep]

Being slow, I re-counted how many Nord 122X were built, and the count is three

1220 was designed (as a retractable tricycle) but not built (count 0)
1221 was built but later converted to 1222 (count 1)
1222 see above (count still 1)
1223 was built (count 2)
1224 was built (count 3)

[skytrain10]

Good research RegDep....as I have said in the past whereas Aviafrance is a good source it is not complete...it makes no mention of the 1223 or 1224.

[skytrain10]

Its all gone very quiet, so time for a clue:

The aircraft was powered by a British engine, although the aircraft itself is not British.

[drawbarz]

Is it the PZL 5bis?

John

[drawbarz]

Hey that's a cool trick I just posted a stab at the challenge it appears in the submitted posts page but not on the thread...:confused:

John

[drawbarz]

Still not sure whats going on...:{

John

Oh ok then...all 3 posts appeared together lol :)

[skytrain10]

Evening John...not the PZL-5, and not Polish. Right era though, although the challenge aircraft is a bit older being from the late 1920's.

Not sure what happened with your posts either..like you they all popped up at the same time!

Closing down for the night now....

[hesham]

Hi,

a project or not ?.

[skytrain10]

Good morning, Its not a project hesham. The aircraft was built by a major European manufacturer.

[RegDep]

Somehow I cannot find a picture of Albatros L 82a, the prototype which was fitted with de Havilland Gipsy engine. This description (picture difficult to find) would fit the unwritten challenge description :E.

[skytrain10]

Not the Albatros RegDep. The engine was not a Gipsy.

[skytrain10]

In an effort to move things along, the manufacturer still exists today.

[RegDep]

In an effort to move things along, CASA C-112 is (?) a two-seat trainer which is known to Wikipedia, but I cannot find anything else on it. And everybody else seems to have better things to do....:*

Or maybe it wassome kind of afterthought in the 70s from the failed 102 project... :uhoh:

[skytrain10]

Don't know the CASA 112 but its not that! Bear in mind the age of the aircraft...its pre-CASA era.

Just to recap on clues so far:
- its not British or Polish
- it has a British engine, but its not a Gipsy
- its not a project
- its from the late 1920's.
- it was built by a major European manufacturer that still exists today

I can add that its not German or Spanish. The aircraft was also available as a seaplane. You may have also noticed something about the wing design?

And everybody else seems to have better things to do....It does seem quiet, but I see that Bradenav and drawbarz are online. I guess LM is actually doing some work today :)

[Lightning Mate]

'Artnoon Ken.

Would the engine have been a Cirrus?

[skytrain10]

Talk of the devil :)

Would the engine have been a Cirrus?

It would be indeed...that should make it easy!

[RegDep]

Macchi M.70

EDIT: How embarrassing again. Even the 3D was on Wikipedia.....:*

[Lightning Mate]

Talk of the devil http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

I'm not the devil mate. I am a fighter pilot - God to you.:E

[skytrain10]

The Maachi M70 it is RegDep :ok:

I was wondering how long it would last...not being on any of the usual aircraft sites, but amazingly on Wiki. Its also listed in some detail on the Flight Archives.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/Macchi_M70.jpg

All yours RegDep

[skytrain10]

God to you.

I knew there was a good reason to be an atheist :)

[RegDep]

LM do you have something for me or should I declare OH?

Edit: Skytrain even the folding wings are mentioned in Wiki, and I was looking for those from the beginning....

[Lightning Mate]

I do have something for you - please standby. :)

[Lightning Mate]

On behalf of RegDep:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat017.jpg

[RegDep]

Oh dear!!!

[Lightning Mate]

Check PM..

....and you Ken....

[skytrain10]

Looks somewhat Heath Robinson'ish....did it take off from the rails RegDep....and if so how did it land?

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon all,

It's the Dayton-Wright Bug "Aerial Torpedo", so landing wasn't going to be a problem!

[RegDep]

Heath-Robinsonish maybe geographically. Apparently took off using trails.

[Lightning Mate]

One left TC. Wannit up?

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM,

Go for it mate (when Reg confirms), been busy all morning, but will try to keep an eye on it this afternoon!

[RegDep]

Heath-Robinsonish maybe geographically. Apparently took off using trails.

Edit: While I was considering the response on the landing without revealing the whole thing TC hit the nail where it should be hit :D. The answer would have been: The original idea was that it should not land on land.

This is what aerofiles describe it:

as a factory test-bed for the Kettering motor to be used on pilotless aerial torpedos, of which c.20 went to USN for field tests at Pensacola. Plans for additional modification as a single-place Army scout as T-4 were canceled at the Armistice, and a decision was made to convert this lightweight for the civil market, but the project was never implemented. Motor design by Kettering and Harold E Morehouse was basis for the post-war Chevrolet 4 auto engine.

All yours TC!

[Lightning Mate]

This one is from TC:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/TC-wtf020.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

It looks like another "oh dear"!

[RegDep]

Nice looking toupée she has.

[Lightning Mate]

.....:D....

[SincoTC]

Nice looking toupée she has

A little clue; the apparent hairpiece is in fact a vee-twin, 800cc engine and stub exhaust pipes and it's from between the WW's

Edit: Coffee time and no nibbles yet!

From the puny little engine and the aspect ratio of the wings, you would be correct in assuming it was a motor-glider.

I would think that the "cocpit canopy" was not for the claustrophobic, as it was more like a the helmet from a suit of armour, with shoulder flaps forming a hatch to climb through!!

It is on a fairly well known site the web, but not Wikipedia!!

[RegDep]

Could almost be Avia 50 but the struts look different...

[SincoTC]

Sorry Reg; not the Avia and not from France!

[RegDep]

Is it in this list?

J2mcL Planeurs - Liste des planeurs documentés (http://www.maquettes-planeurs.ch/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/planeurs-liste_0.php)

[RegDep]

Will go shopping (fish day). Back in an hour.

[SincoTC]

That's a nice list!

However, the challenge isn't in there :E Sorry

[RegDep]

:mad:

Exits left.

[SincoTC]

Nil Desperandum mate!

Check sites closer to home :hmm: and hurry back, coz if skytrain returns, I have feeling he might get it, (no pressure there then Ken :) )!!

[skytrain10]

You called! :)

Been busy this afternoon so not had a chance to look...I'm tempted to say its a German design (but there again 50% of the worlds motor gliders are anyway). I have a feeling I have seen it somewhere...??

[SincoTC]

Good evening skytrain,

I have a feeling I have seen it somewhere...??

That's just what I feared!!

Go on then, let temptation have its way :)

[Mechta]

The front looks like the Veron 'Classic', the first stick & tissue model that I built. Now where did the designer of that get his inspiration?

[skytrain10]

Kormoran Ko-2?

[SincoTC]

Thanks mate, I knew it wouldn't take you long, so I haven't bothered to prepare my answer/clue sheet for LM!

It is the Kormoran Ko-2

Kormoran Ko 2 (http://www.histaviation.com/Kormoran_Ko_2.html)

Take a look at that cockpit canopy and imagine it steaming up in the rain :eek:

skytrain has control :D

[Lightning Mate]

In the words of a certain copper - "'evening all".:)


I guess LM is actually doing some work today http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

I do sometimes!

[RegDep]

No. I thought the copper was Officer Krupke.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Sinco....cramped conditions indeed.

I'll have to go Open House guys....on the basis I've used up my backlog of challenges!

[Lightning Mate]

Well, I have no shortage.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat117-1.jpg

[SincoTC]

Good evening LM and Regdep,

Thanks for posting my last LM, I've just taken the liberty of sending you some more images for your expert attention, ta muchly!

Reg, too late I'm afraid, skytrain got there first, but that was a useful looking link (now bookmarked)!

Here's one for you YouTube - Dixon of Dock Green intro Jack Warner 1973 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKB34LPhiGQ)

I'm off now, so goodnight all :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

....if you carry the right markings, then fighter pilots are very friendly.

....carry the wrong ones, then I suggest you pray to whoever you think may be able to help you - you have seconds for a response.................

Remember - the difference between ordinary aeroplanes and real aeroplanes is that the latter have triggers........:E

[Lightning Mate]

I see TC, Mechta, and skytrain......

[SincoTC]

Just shutting down my other computer and have sent you another email re one of the images I sent earlier and noticed your latest comment. I couldn't resist pointing out that Roy Rogers had a Trigger between his legs, I bet that made him a bit special :ooh:

Really off now, seeya

[skytrain10]

A homebuild/kitplane LM?

[Lightning Mate]

Not a homebuilt mate.

[Bradenav]

Bonjour

German " B & F FK 9 " ?

[Lightning Mate]

Bonjour Richard.

Sorry, it's not that.

[Ridge Runner]

Remember - the difference between ordinary aeroplanes and real aeroplanes is that the latter have triggers........http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/evil.gif

I'd argue that real aeroplanes have radials!

Morning by the way!!!!

[skytrain10]

Not a homebuilt mate.

Mmm....thats scuppered me! So a LSA I guess. Is this a new aircraft LM?

[Lightning Mate]

The aeroplane is quite new. It is classified as a factory-built microlight.

It's European. :)

[skytrain10]

Quite new....as in this year?

Would it be a Czech design?

[Lightning Mate]

I can't find the exact year, but I think it's within the last two or three.

It isn't Czech.

More clues in an hour.

[RegDep]

Good Day,

Is the manufacturer on this list?

Aviones Ultraligeros Fabricantes importadores y constructores de ultraligeros - Ultralights dealers and manufacturers (http://www.ultraligero.net/Sitios/Fabricantes/fabricantes.htm)

[Lightning Mate]

Blimey RegDep!

The manufacturer is not on that list.

Before I give a big clue, try Northern Europe (not Germany or France).

There is a company in the UK which acts as an authorised sales outlet.

[RegDep]

Are we talking about Aeroprakt A22 Foxbat "From the land of Antonov, MiG, Sukhoi and Yak the A22 is another real alternative. An easy-to-fly 450kg SLA with very good pilot/passenger comfort"

[Lightning Mate]

I'm afraid not mate.

Try Benelux......

[RegDep]

Mission M106 nosewheel version

[Lightning Mate]

Bingo.

You worked for that one. :D

I have one for you - please PM me.:)

[RegDep]

Had the correct site but wrong page for a long time :eek:.

[Lightning Mate]

Gentlemen, another from RegDep.

LM signing off and handing the thread over to Berlin.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/RDgofrit.jpg

[Bradenav]

Bonjour

Fieseler Fi 167
Cheers
Richard

[RegDep]

Bonjour, Richard

Yes, it is!

Over to you :ok:

Reg

[Bradenav]

Thank you : it was an easy one:p

The following is a true silhouette :
The builder was a BIG company,not for it's own designs (four or five) ,but for the types it built under licence ,among them one of the best known type ( if not the best known ) in the world ...
Good luck

Richard



http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/2246/36328344.jpg (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/36328344.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Bradenav

Can you give a clue on the the best known type :).

[Bradenav]

The clue is in the clue : perhaps the best known aircraft in the world ...but this can be discussed ,indeed .:)

[Lightning Mate]

Then I think that aircraft was American.

[RegDep]

Did someone manufacture Lightnings under license in America LM?

[Bradenav]

It's not American at all ...

[RegDep]

The way you said that, it must be Russian, Bradenav :hmm:.

[Lightning Mate]

Is that company SABCA?

[Lightning Mate]

Did someone manufacture Lightnings under license in America LM?

No Lightnings were built under licence.

[Bradenav]

SORRY :
Russian : no
SABCA : no

[Lightning Mate]

Possibly the well-known aeroplane was British then.

[skytrain10]

Something from CASA maybe?

Did someone manufacture Lightnings under license in America LM
Thought we were talking well known aircraft RegDep!! :)

[Lightning Mate]

:mad:............

[Lightning Mate]

Before I go home, was the famous aircraft an AVRO?

[sycamore]

Is it from CAC in OZ, Purveyors of a/c like the Mustang,Sabre etc; The other well known one would be DC-3....

[Bradenav]

SORRY :

Neither Spanish nor British .
Not CAC too .

btw ,what means " OZ " ??

The licence built aircraft was neither American nor British

[Lightning Mate]

I think we are becoming confused between the company and the very famous aircraft.

Bradenav said:

It's not American at all ...


OZ is Australia.

[RegDep]

Was the challenge a/c manufactured in a country that subsequently ended up to the east side of the iron curtain?

[Bradenav]

It was on both sides of the iron curtain ...

[Lightning Mate]

...among them one of the best known type ( if not the best known ) in the world ...

As I understand it, this aeroplane NOT THE CHALLENGE is not:

British
Russian
American

It therefore has to be German.

I do not believe that "possibly the best known aircraft in the world" comes from countries outside this group.

Please remove the confusion........

[Bradenav]

Hello
The challenge plane is german ,and built in a big factory ,which a little later built under licence a large number of a very well known german aircraft.:)

Good luck

Richard

[RegDep]

So, it is one of the BFW M Series planes, do not know which yet.


EDIT:
Edit: Correction BFW M 27

And the licensed plane was Messerschmitt 109

(For a while I thought that for Bradenav the best known would have been Bleriot ;))

[Lightning Mate]

"possibly the best known aircraft in the world"

German? I can't believe that........no way......

The best known aircraft in the world of that era are either British or American!

Lancaster
B17
B29
Spitfire
Hurricane
Me109

Bon nuit.

[Bradenav]

Regdep : it's not any BFW or Messerschmitt aircraft .
LM : The licence built acft was Me/Bf 109

Now ,only the ID of the challenge airplane left .:)

[SincoTC]

Good evening Richard,

I think it may be the Erla 6A ? it has a high aspect-ratio, single strutted wing and I think I can make out out the flat twin engine in your image.

Erla made about 9000 Bf 109 so they would qualify.

I discounted the BFW M series because I believe they're all low wing types

I have been working late and have to go now, so please declare Open House if correct.

[RegDep]

TC you must right, although the concept of "under license" is not very clear to me in this case. I think (without knowing too much) that where 109 was manufactured was based on allocation from either Speer's planning office or somewhere else and not by negotiated licensing arrangements.... :hmm:.

I would handle Erla's factory in Leipzig as a 109 production site/facility.

But the challenge was good, and the a/c in web, so everybody is happy :).

[Bradenav]

CONGRATULATION SincoTC

It's the ERLA 6


Erla 6A (http://www.histaviation.com/Erla_6A.html)


OPEN HOUSE says SincoTC

[Bradenav]

You may be ( or are ) right : however ,I think that some money get back to BFW ...I believe (but I'am not sure) ,ERLA built Bf 109 even before the war ...

I got it : "Wurden zur erweiterung der Produktion Lizenzauträge hereingeholt.
..........1936/45 12000 Me 109 ......."

from Kens/Nowarra "Deutschen Flugzeuge 1933/1946"

[RegDep]

Yes, they built over 11,000 between 1937 and 1945, about one third of the total Bf 109 production. The biggest "series" was 8,298 units.

And they produced Arado Ar 65, Heinkel He 51 and Gotha Go 145 under license before Bf 109.

So all is fine, one learns something every day.

EDIT: I believe you. My source was Dr. Robert Kluge Freier Journalist Luftfahrt (http://www.falcona-leipzig.de/themen/bf109.html)

[Noyade]

from Kens/Nowarra "Deutschen Flugzeuge 1933/1946"G'day from "OZ" Richard! :)

I remember being 18 years old and buying that book from an odd "Planes, Trains and Automobiles" bookshop that had a curtained-off porno section in Pitt St, Sydney. I flew up to Sydney for an engine mechanic apprenticeship interview with TAA.
The bookshop owner (he looked like that long-haired dude from "The Rocky Horror Picture Show") asked me if I spoke German. I replied "nein!". He didn't find that funny....memories...

Anyway, this won't be difficult Richard as it's on the opposite page to the history of Erla...

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3893/memoriesy.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/memoriesy.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme....been away?

I replied "nein!".....so he made you buy all 9....cunning people these Australian book sellers! :)

Whoops, almost forgot...the Dornier P256 I believe?

[Lightning Mate]

......bookshop that had a curtained-off porno section in Pitt St, Sydney.....

How many d'ya buy and have you still got them hidden? :E

[RegDep]

Shoot! Took me so long to find Dornier Do P 256 and it has been all over for almost an hour...

Dornier Do P.256 Luft '46 entry (http://www.luft46.com/dornier/dop256.html)

Nite. Should have gone long ago. See ya :zzz:.

Edit: Why cannot I make a difference between next an opposite :ugh:. Of course D for Dornier is on opposite page of E for Erla :{.
:{ :{ :{ :sad: :sad: sneef :zzz:

[skytrain10]

Evening David....how was your day?

Nice one with the Mission 106 by the way - had dismissed it as a taildragger...I should have looked closer!

[skytrain10]

Morning and Good night RegDep....its not over until Noyade confirms, but I'm pretty certain it is the Dornier.....

Well I'm about to close down for the night. If there are any night owls out there then assuming I'm correct make it Open House....failing that I have some lined up, one of which I'll put up in the morning.

Good night all.

[Noyade]

How many d'ya buy and have you still got them hidden? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/evil.gifI was a young and innocent country boy David. :=;)

Why cannot I make a difference between next an opposite? Mate, when I posted that Richard was still logged in and I assumed he had the book and thought it would go in a flash as the P.256 is on pp.174 and the history of Erla on pp.175.

Morning Graeme....been away?Been away for short periods and busy. Seize the day mate!

its not over until Noyade confirmsIt's over Ken. the Dornier P. 256 :ok:

Open house at Ken's request.

Cheers
Graeme.

[RegDep]

Noyade
Mate, when I posted that Richard was still logged in and I assumed he had the book and thought it would go in a flash as the P.256 is on pp.174 and the history of Erla on pp.175.

My point exactly. I don't have the book, but I should have thought: If I had what would I see? I probably would see something starting with E or D (assuming that the book, which I have never seen, is in alphabetical order).

Instead, I went looking everything else with any kind of jet engine, before I came to Dornier and realized the obvious...

Best

Reg

[skytrain10]

Morning all

Thanks Graeme....well as its still OH -

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc209.jpg

[Bradenav]

Bonjour

Perhaps BREDA A. 7 Asso ?

[skytrain10]

No perhaps about it Richard, it is the Breda A7:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/BredaA7.jpg

Your control Bradenav

[Lightning Mate]

morning/bonjour/'tag/evening.

[skytrain10]

Morning David

[SincoTC]

Good morning gentlemen,

I wonder what Richard is cooking up for us today :eek: Edited to say, Oh dear, I see his light's just gone out !!

Good to see Graeme back in action :ok:

[skytrain10]

Well, as its such a lovely day and Richard is offline, I'm going out to tend to the garden....catch you all later.

[Lightning Mate]

He seems to have gone!

[Noyade]

He seems to have gone! And as if by magic...I appear! :)
(Just got off work)

How are you all? Getting colder over there?

Oh...you mean Richard...:hmm:

[Lightning Mate]

How are you all? Getting colder over there?

Not at all mate - it was 22C here yesterday. :)

[Noyade]

Getting colder over there?
it was 22C here yesterday.

But it's gonna get colder...you poor bastards. :):)

[Lightning Mate]

Not here on the South coast mate.

It's never cold here, but even if it hapenned, we hardy Pommes can take it.......:E

[Noyade]

I'm going out to tend to the gardenDon't go out there Ken! Likely to be a cold snap with your pommie weather and you'll freeze solid! :ooh:

Not here on the South coast mate.Really?! :suspect:

[Lightning Mate]

Brits: Are justifiably proud of the accomplishments of their past citizens.

Americans: Are justifiably proud of the accomplishments of their present citizens.

Canadians: Prattle on about how some of those great Americans were once Canadian.

Aussies: Waffle on about how some of their past citizens were once Outlaw Pommies, but none of that matters after several beers.

[Noyade]

Where do they film "Top Gear?" Nearly every time they show the celebrity lap in the reasonably priced car - it's raining?!

but none of that matters after several beers.True! Life is better after a few beers! :ok: (Or it appears to be!)

[Lightning Mate]

Where do they film "Top Gear?"

Dunsfold Aerodrome.

1) Why wasn't Jesus born in Sydney?
They couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.

2) What's an Australians' idea of foreplay?
You awake?

[Noyade]

Thanks. Must get a lot of rain there.

1) Why wasn't Jesus born in Sydney?
They couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.

2) What's an Australians' idea of foreplay?
You awake?

Ha! Just admit it mate...ya JEALOUS! :)

[Noyade]

How come Richard left so soon? Did you upset him David? :=

[Lightning Mate]

I didn't say a word, but it will shortly be two hours since he was given control at post #15232.

How long shall we all wait?

Graeme, if you have Google Earth, just type in Top Gear Location.

[SincoTC]

G'evening mate,

You being a fan of James Bond as well as Top-Gear, have you ever noticed something odd about the 747 parked in the background of the outdoor shots? It has twin-podded engines and underwing tanks (a non-flyer that was specially modified for the Bond film Casino Royale. See the thread on prune below and plenty of images on the web

http://www.pprune.org/african-aviation/385106-top-gear-747-a.html

BTW, the Gulf Stream keeps us relatively warm in the SW, if it behaves itself and doesn't go south, in which case we get a lot wetter!

How come Richard left so soon?

I don't think he logs-out, but just posts and leaves, so his light stays on until the site doesn't see any activity for a given time and turns it off. Ken certainly didn't keep him waiting long for a response to his answer!!

[Noyade]

How long shall we all wait?

?

Mate, you're the "Master of Silhouette Etiquette". We just have to wait don't we? For at least 12 hours?

[Lightning Mate]

Well, I'm not going to accept a dead thread for twelve hours, and I don't think anyone else will.

Ken? Trevor?.....

[RegDep]

Hi Gentlemen,
LM why not I post my first-ever own challenge. I don't think Richard would mind. Usually he zaks in and shoots down my challenges in a matter of minutes. Maybe we can mobilise him that way?

[SincoTC]

I think we may have incoming!! Richard's light is back on :)

See my previous post regarding green light.

[Lightning Mate]

Shall we see if anyone else agrees first (it's ready to go).

Graeme, since it's quiet, here ya go:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Dunsfold.jpg

[Bradenav]

SORRY ,SORRY ,SORRY I was not at home ,and must go again .




OPEN HOUSE please