Silhouette challenge

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken. :)

We're stalled again - at least to 1357 probably.
:mad:

[skytrain10]

Hopefully we will hear from buttrick soon although the time should run from Graeme's ID at 0745 ppt - unfortutely - :(

Will check in after lunch to see if anything is happening,

[Lightning Mate]

My mistake mate - that will be 1945 Prune time.

PM for you shortly.

[skytrain10]

that will be 1945 Prune time.
Yep, that's what I figured. Will watch for your PM

Reg, PM for you.

[Lightning Mate]

Reg, PM for you.

"Don't tell him Pike"

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/man-yawning_x15147694.jpg

[hesham]

TC, I think yours is Gloster TC.33, designed to meet Air Ministry specification C.16/28, which required the ability to carry 30 troops and their equipment for 1,200 miles (1,930 km) and was the same specification that produced the Handley Page H.P.43 and the Vickers Type 163.

None of the C.16/28 contenders were awarded a production contract, and thus only the prototype was built.

By the way RegDep,

for the Spec. C16/28,the contenders were;

Handeley Page HP.43
Gloster TC.33
Bristol-115
Bristol-116
Boulton Paul P.40
Blackburn TC.1
Fairey
Vickers-163
Vickers-212

[buttrick]

Sorry not long finished work. Yes of course it was the Benes-Mraz, right picture too.

[Lightning Mate]

Blimey - what do you do for a living?

Graeme declared OH if he was correct

[buttrick]

Start stupid o clock and finish at three Alpha, but by the time I get back it is nearer four, then i had a combat kip. Due to uncertain hours, in future, if there is no reply from me within three hours then go open house, assuming consensus. So Open house due to Noyades retiring to bed.

[Lightning Mate]

Since I don't like stalled threads, here you go:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/speckly.jpg


then i had a combat kip.

Are you military out there? If so we have a lot in common and need to chat.................

[Lightning Mate]

in future, if there is no reply from me within three hours then go open house, assuming consensus.

Thanks mate - we will. It will keep the thread alive and well.

[skytrain10]

Not many aircraft like that....Airspeed AS.4 Ferry?

[Lightning Mate]

Not many aircraft like that....Airspeed AS.4 Ferry?

Absolutely! Just wanted things to move...

Push it up mate. :ok:

great graphics though innit...

[skytrain10]

Thanks LM....another easy one to keep it moving:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/f5476215.jpg

And buttrick, noted re the 3 hours timeline for OH...appreciated.:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

to all new players....................

note the three minute response..............:)

[Lightning Mate]

Your challenge looks like a Northrop jobber...........

[skytrain10]

Not a Northrop LM.

[Ridge Runner]

a french machine, Ken?

[skytrain10]

a french machine, Ken?
Hi Martin, hope all is well? Yep, its French.

[Lightning Mate]

Something from Fauvel.......?

[skytrain10]

Something from Fauvel.......?
Closing in mate...not a Fauvel, but based on a Fauvel design.

[Lightning Mate]

Might that be one of the 221 series?

[skytrain10]

Might that be one of the 221 series? No, not the 221

[SincoTC]

A'rtnoon all,

Just got in and have to go again for a few hours.

To keep things moving, I'm pretty sure it's J.C. DEBREYER'S "PELICAN"

If correct, then Open House please for the above reason, sorry guys! Catchya later maybe!

[KBPsen]

Sorry I just disappeared all of a sudden.

It looks like a Debreyer JCD-03 Pelican.

[Lightning Mate]

Do catch up old chap......:E

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry I just disappeared all of a sudden.

Don't worry about it mate - just make sure you're around at the right time.................

Talking of which Mister 10........?

[Lightning Mate]

KBPsen...
Sorry I just disappeared all of a sudden.
It looks like a Debreyer JCD-03 Pelican.

If you had cut out all the crap and said Debreyer JCD-03 you might have got there in time!!

rabbit..rabbit..rabbit................. see??????

Ctrl C / Ctrl V................

[buttrick]

Sorry, as everybody was flinging around the correct answer i assumed that it was clear, as the poster had declared open house already.

[Lightning Mate]

buttrick - please delete you post.

The challenger has not confirmed the answer.

You are out of order.

[Lightning Mate]

There is no open house.........

[skytrain10]

J.C. DEBREYER'S "PELICAN"

It is indeed Sinco :ok:. I guess based on a Fauvel was somewhat of a giveaway! In fact it was based on the AV.36, a previous challenge.

I see matters have progressed in my absence. Whereas I am sure everyone was confident that SincoTC had provided the right answer, I would respectfully ask that you give a little time for me to respond. I cannot monitor the PC continuously and somewhat surprisingly I do have other things to do on a Sunday!

Anyway TC declared Open House and we now have a new challenge.

[Lightning Mate]

Anyway TC declared Open House and we now have a new challenge.

Wot new challenge....?????

[KBPsen]

Hows about this one then.

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/kbpsen/What4.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

I welcome new players to the thread.

However, I feel that the spirit has been lost as has been my interest.

I might return when the thread returns to what it was, but in the meantime goodbye everyone.................

Lightning Mate

[skytrain10]

Blimey, its all change since my last post!

Is it the Verhees Delta?

[KBPsen]

It is the Delta.

You have control.

[skytrain10]

Thanks KBPsen....whereabouts are you...Kiev?

Stand-by for the next one.

[Ridge Runner]

Japan??????

[skytrain10]

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/82a5ece5.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

it looks like a scan from Air International (Enthusiast) mate? I'd say it is too old to be Russian and is therefore either a yank or European? How about European, Ken?

[skytrain10]

Ahh, a scan yes, but NOT Air International!

Not a European design.

[KBPsen]

The planform view looks very Cessna-like. The side view does not.

Brazilian?

[Ridge Runner]

maybe an early Jap biz jet? A Honda engine?

[skytrain10]

Not Japan or Brazil

[Ridge Runner]

a yank, then?

[RegDep]

A project that did not fly?

Also, I suspect you scanned it from a magazine that is not in English :suspect:.

[Ridge Runner]

Really, Reg? It says "Gunships"! RR

[RegDep]

RR

Ahh, a scan yes, but NOT Air International!

Am I missing something :(.

[skytrain10]

American...yes:ok:

Project, yes, although it reached mock-up stage.

Same 3-view is on the web and the magazine was in English!

[KBPsen]

An Allen Paulson project?

[skytrain10]

An Allen Paulson project?
No, I cannot see any reference to Mr Paulson in this project. Other well known aviation individuals were and continue to be involved with the manufacturer

[Noyade]

G'day Ken and lurkers!

You look all alone mate? Are you home or still jetting around the world?

although it reached mock-up stage.What year/time-period are we looking at here Ken?

Allen Paulson projectI've got a couple of their albums. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Good morning skytrain :)

I thought it worth a look on "Fright Archive" !!

Century Aviation's Century Jet of 1996

raytheon aircraft | 1996 | 2107 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1996/1996%20-%202107.html?search=Century) Jet

Couldn't get back yesterday, too busy preparing for a business trip, I will be away for a couple of days and may not have connectivity, so open house please when confirmed! PS. No jumping-the-gun gentlemen (especially newby's), checkout the guidelines under the sticky on the AH&N mainpage (link below) :=

http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/311746-what-cockpit-what-aerodrome-latest-lists.html

Wassup LM? Come on mate, your country need you :ok:

[skytrain10]

Morning Sinco,

Century Aviation's Century Jet of 1996

Got it in one Trevor:ok:. Yes this was the 1996 design for the Century Jet, which has taken different forms since. The company was set up by Bill Northrop.

SincoTC has declared Open House


And Graeme...sorry missed your message, I had shut down by then! Hope all is well mate?

[RegDep]

Very very shrewd challenge :ok:. The reason I asked the language was that it was difficult for me to believe that a single-engine dorsal air intake would have gone completely unnoticed, if it would have been said in any form in English…..

****

And, I am truly sorry if I invoked a wave of gun-jumping with my careless half-in-the-sleep mishap the other day.

For "newbies", which I was in the not-so-distant past:

This is a relatively rapid paced thread (silhouette Challenge, SC) as compared to the two other challenge threads (What Cockpit, WC, and Which Aerodrome, WA) and rather competitive, in a great spirit. There are two principles that come from this:

1. You monitor the thread when you play: If you post a challenge, you make sure that you give feedback and follow the challenge up in a reasonable time frame. If you win, you either post expediently a new challenge or declare Open House (OH). You can declare an OH conditionally ("if correct, OH") to make sure that the game can go on.

2. One challenge at the time. Your right to post a challenge starts only when the previous challenge has been called to the winner by the challenge poster.

This is great fun!

Reg

[Ridge Runner]

Morning!!! An OH? Well ....

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune010411-1.jpg

[RegDep]

Just to make sure RR, two engines side-by-side, or four (two pairs in tandem)?

[skytrain10]

Martin, trying to work out what the engines are....is it a twin tractor?

[Ridge Runner]

Hi boys! Three tractors... RR

[skytrain10]

British mate?

[Ridge Runner]

not british, Ken

[skytrain10]

not british, Ken
That's a shame, those engine's had a distinctly Short's appearance, very similar to the Sarafand (albeit those were of course tractor/pusher combinations). Following that through though, would the engines be British?

[Ridge Runner]

yes, ken, british engines

[RegDep]

Kawanishi H3K

[Ridge Runner]

It is!

Designed in the early 1930s, the H3K1 was already phased out of service by the mid-1930s. Five examples were built under license from an English design based on thr Short Rangoon, using components mostly acquired from England, including the three imported 825hp Rolls-Royce Buzzard engines that each aircraft used. Experience with this design helped Kawanishi in later years when they manufactured the large H6K and H8K flying boats that were used extensively during the war. At the beginning of the war, however, lack of intelligence on the H3K led the Allies to believe that it was still in service, and so it was assigned the codename "Belle".

Kawanishi H3K - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawanishi_H3K)

You have control Reg

[RegDep]

Thanks RR!

Another aquatic creature

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-04-04um121141.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day people!

Reg, is it French?

A Liore et Olivier product? H 252 maybe?

[RegDep]

G'day Graeme,

Yes, yes, and no - a bit off.

[Noyade]

a bit off.

Damn! Which way mate, higher or lower?

[Noyade]

Higher? H-254

Lior et Olivier LeO H-254 :: Lior et Olivier :: France (FRA) (http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/42605)

[RegDep]

Good way to go. 254 it is. The one and only.

Your turn :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Reg.

I don't have much at hand. I made this for "What Cockpit?" but thought better of it. It is on the net and I can provide the 'complete' picture if you want...

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/421/cockpitt.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/cockpitt.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Hi Graeme, I think the full side view would be more "in the spirit of silhouette challenge" :). In the UK this week but typically internet is at clockwork speed so having to rely on books today!

[Noyade]

OK then...from the net...

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6716/13425593864.jpg (http://img826.imageshack.us/i/13425593864.jpg/)

having to rely on books today!Sure, I understand. See Air Enthusiast/September 1972 pp.134.

:)

[Noyade]

Ken, did you just make a post and then delete it?

I hope you weren't saying something nasty to me?! :=:)

There is also a 3-view to see. Interested?

[Noyade]

Interested? Of course you are, just too shy to ask, eh?

I understand.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3789/134166144046755525.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/i/134166144046755525.jpg/)

[RegDep]

The RAE transonic research aircraft project

Edit: took some time to figure out that September is the 9th month of the year :O

A brush with exoticism
You can say it again.

[Noyade]

The RAE transonic research aircraft project:ok::ok::D:):)

Back to you mate!

Air Enthusiast 1972-09 (http://crimso.msk.ru/Site/Arts/Art3402.htm)

[skytrain10]

took some time to figure out that September is the 9th month of the year
You're obviously more organised with your mags than I am...I was still looking for 1972 in the loft!
Good challenge Graeme:ok:

[Noyade]

You're obviously more organised with your mags than I amNot really mate. They're (Air International) in a bookshelf close to the bed. Whenever Julie has a headache I reach for one off the shelf. She gets a lot of headaches....:(

[RegDep]

Here we go again

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/F-2.jpg

I was still looking for 1972 in the loft!

Have nothing in my loft, except two and a half Observer's Books of Aircraft from 1959 - 1961

But what I have is a 30 Mb line and a full Entertainment Plus package from T-Com :ok: (did you hear THAT Graeme?)

[Noyade]

I have is a 30 Mb line and a full Entertainment Plus package from T-ComIn English mate...?

An RPV or is it UAV? Is the term "RPV" out of date?

[RegDep]

In English mate...?

Touching a sore point…. Mostly dubbed in German :{.

Yes, UAV. Quite famous…...

[Noyade]

Reg, Ken and lurkers, have to go...0700 hr start tomorrow. Catch you another time! :ok:

[skytrain10]

Reg, getting nowhere with this one...it may be famous but not to me! Is it European?

[RegDep]

It is not European skytrain. Has recently done pretty much what UAVs are meant to do.

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry - no UAVs for me

RR

[skytrain10]

So American then?

[RegDep]

So American then?

No.

Sorry - no UAVs for me

Well, they may come in handy, though

Clue: PPRuNe

[Ridge Runner]

Israeli?????

[RegDep]

Israeli?????

No.

http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/445326-japan-earthquake-tsunami-30.html#post6349436

[skytrain10]

Appears to be the FUJI IMVAC TYPE B?

[HappyPass]

Hello everybody, sorry for my long absence (due to RL).

Edit: [...]

[Ridge Runner]

Fuji Type B?????
http://suasnews.wpcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/b-2-300x231.jpg (http://www.suasnews.com/2011/03/4892/japanese-fukushima-uav-identified/b-2/)

er... having seen Ken's post... I'll recind that!!!

[HappyPass]

I'll recind that!!!

You're the third... maybe that last clue was a little too explicit...:)

Edited my sig to comply with the requests that have been made in this thread a dozen pages ago.

[RegDep]

Fuji Type B

Skytrain has it!

Over to you :ok:

PS Welcome back HappyPass!

Edit:

maybe that last clue was a little too explicit

Given the silence on the thread, timely, though…..

Keeping the thread going, who knows the Big Lightning Bear will join us again…..

[skytrain10]

Thanks Reg. Yes, the last clue was a bit of a give away. Just tapped in "Japan UAV" and there it was. Anyway a good challenge:ok:.

Give me a short while and I'll have something ready.

Welcome back HP:ok:

[HappyPass]

timely, though…..
Yeah, no doubt about that!

Welcome back
Thanks y'all... will be quite busy in the next days but nothing like the last couple of weeks, thankfully...

RegDep PM reply (better late than never).

[skytrain10]

Here we go:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/6b4c76fa.jpg

So Reg, are you going to share this information you have?:)

[RegDep]

So Reg, are you going to share this information you have?

Yes. Soon. I have some non-responders at this point, and no surprises. Tried to reply your PM yesterday (or day before?) but your mailbox was full.

[Ridge Runner]

something Israeli????

[skytrain10]

something Israeli????
Not Israeli RR

but your mailbox was full. It was, I've taken some messages out of it now, but not seen anything?

[RegDep]

Good morning!

A nice little clue, perhaps, skytrain?

[skytrain10]

Morning RD and anyone else out there.

I was thinking it had been rather quiet. Its from the US. Some 20 plus were built and were available as either piston (as per the challenge) or turboprop power.

[skytrain10]

You wont find a photo of this aircraft in Aerofiles. You will perhaps need to use your imagination:) (thats not a reference or clue to the aircraft name).

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Ken! is it a conversion of another type? RR

[skytrain10]

is it a conversion of another type?
Yes! Now it should be easy!

[skytrain10]

Do you need another clue?

[MReyn24050]

List updated today up to and including 01/Apr/2011.
Mel

[skytrain10]

Well, I thought it would go quickly once Martin worked out it was a conversion of another aircraft....but it seems not.

It doesn't look like anyone is playing at present so further clues seem a little pointless. However as it needs to go soon (I will be travelling) I will just say that the aircraft that it was converted from was produced in large numbers and will be well known to you all.

[Ridge Runner]

a PA-31 conversion? PA-31T-500????

[Ridge Runner]

List updated today up to and including 01/Apr/2011.
Mel


Excellent! Thanks Mel!

[skytrain10]

a PA-31 conversion? PA-31T-500Afternoon mate, looks like its just us 2 on the thread. Not converted from a Piper. Note that the conversion was undertaken by an independent company not associated with the manufacturer of the original aircraft.

Edit to say this was not the only conversion of this particular aircraft.

[skytrain10]

I'm going to be offline for a while. Will check back in later.

[evansb]

Pacific Airmotive Tradewind ?

[skytrain10]

Apologies for the delay...I had a feeling you would get it Bri:ok:, yes its the Pacific Airmotive (aka Pac Aero) Tradewind, a conversion of a Beech 18, keeping the fuselage, wings, and in this case engines, but with a new tail and tricycle undercarriage. I gather there are still a few surviving examples in the US and Canada.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/ff2fca41.jpg

Well done Bri:D:D

evansb has control

[evansb]

Thanks skytrain10. That was fun. I thought I was looking at the silhouette of this aircraft:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WAP110405.jpg
...but no. I'll be away from the computer until 00Z, so in the mean time, I declare OPEN HOUSE.

[evansb]

Okay...here is the next silhouette:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH110405.jpg

[Noyade]

I'll try with the Canadair C-4 Bri....

[Ridge Runner]

Pacific Airmotive (aka Pac Aero) Tradewind

Bugger... I knew that!!!!!! My poor old brain! RR

[evansb]

Noyade is correct.:ok: Your control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Bri, here's another easy one...

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/306/obvious.jpg (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/obvious.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

Junkers 86?

[skytrain10]

Morning Martin

[Ridge Runner]

Morning mate! Where are you in the world?

[skytrain10]

Back home in Wales....and you?

[Ridge Runner]

in sunny Crawley!

[skytrain10]

Not much in the way of sun here unfortunately! Hopefully will improve later. Suspect Graeme will be on soon to check....got your next one lined up?

[RegDep]

Hello gentlemen. It's been pretty lonely here while you two have been traveling, LM gone, and ….

[Ridge Runner]

Yep!! (assuming it is what I think!)

Lots of activity here - Chinooks a nightly event now, low over Cuckfield. Last weekend one barely missed the chimney of the cottage. They're getting ready for something ....... starts with an "L"?

[skytrain10]

Sounds interesting....had a couple of MV-22 Osprey's running along the south coast of Pembrokeshire on Monday...en route to the hall! As you say something's up!

Morning Reg, hope all is well? I think secretly that LM has run out of challenges! :)

[RegDep]

All well here. Temperatures in lower 20s C, Sunny. The whole nature (read parks and boulevards) just short of exploded green last weekend. River sightseeing boat season started, too. One of the main lines, moored the winter just under my window, has sailed away and passes by every now and then, in the evenings with flashing disco lights. Hmmnnmm.

Edit to say that I'd prefer the seaside, though :).

[Ridge Runner]

Ah no, Reg, give me rivers every time!

Where is Graeme?

[Noyade]

Junkers 86?

:ok:

Your control Martin!

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks Graeme. I hope you are well, mate? Here is the next....
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune080411.gif

[Noyade]

I hope you are well, mate?All good thanks mate. Yourself?

Have ruled out..

Beardmore Inflexible.
Bristol 138.
ANT-25...

Russian mate?

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, Graeme, I'm fine. Busy at work though!

Not Russian and, as you say, not

Beardmore Inflexible.
Bristol 138.
ANT-25...


RR

[Noyade]

Single engine?
Wheels visible at the wing-roots?
Very large wingspan.
Not Russian.
Saw-tooth leading edge for cutting balloon cables?

Hmmmm.... :)

[skytrain10]

Sorry had to break off for a while....so single prop, high altitude research aircraft maybe...French?

[drawbarz]

Morning All,

looks like a Junkers Ju 49 to me...?

John

[RegDep]

Junkers Ju 49

Say in chorus….

[Ridge Runner]

Drawbarz has it.. the Ju 49!!!!

Sorry Ken, all too quick to reply in time!

[RegDep]

Reg, give me rivers every time!

Here's one for you

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Savukoski3025.jpg

[drawbarz]

Thanks RR,

Unfortuneately it will have to be Open House as I have nothing prepared and as I have just discovered no access to Photobucket from here in the office....:confused:

John

[skytrain10]

Glad all is well Reg....we'll probably reach 18 or 19C today...sun trying to break through. Looks a nice tranquil setting by the river....:)

[skytrain10]

As its OH:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/01cdc5b6.jpg

[Noyade]

Project Ken?

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme....no, not a project

[Noyade]

French?...........

[skytrain10]

European, but not French mate.

[Noyade]

Evening Graeme

Sorry mate, where are my manners?! Morning Ken! :)

[Noyade]

Pre or post 1958?

[Ridge Runner]

Spanish, per chance?

[Noyade]

I was thinking Czech...?

[RegDep]

Do we count Russia in to Europe :confused:

[skytrain10]

Pre or post 1958? Post - is that an improtant date? Or do you have "Helicopters of the World" published in 1958? :):)

Not Czech or Spanish. And whereas Russia is partly within Europe, don't look there because it's its not Russian.

[RegDep]

Novitchi / IFIL-Reghin RG-8 H1 Tintar from Romania 1960

[skytrain10]

You've got it Reg, well done:ok: It is indeed the RG-8 Tintar from Romania. Just the 1 built.
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/0f36f7a7.jpg

RegDep has control

[RegDep]

Thanks skytrain!

And one for good measure

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/image020.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

something from HG Wells???

[skytrain10]

Looks highly dangerous! A US design?

[RegDep]

Not from Wells, although maybe Orson Welles could have thought to send the Martians in using these if they had been available from his set shop. Not US, ether.

Looks better for ploughing than flying, agree.

[skytrain10]

A Russian design?....unusual in the most of these kind of helicopters were all 2 bladed.

[RegDep]

Yes, Russian…….

[skytrain10]

Struggling to find this one. Not on the 2 usual helicopter websites. A Polyot or MAI design maybe?

[RegDep]

Neither. Depends on what you call usual.

My source has it on the same page as "Polyot", whatever that means.

[skytrain10]

Was this by an independent manufacturer, as opposed to one of the major OKB's like Kamov or Mil?

[RegDep]

Skytrain, I was just preparing for a clue: this is a hilarious story of a two individuals who already built two helicopters (based on drawings that since then have disappeared), and set themselves to build and own design, using apparently a home-made water-cooled Wankel engine.

You want to try the rest, or should I spill it out so the thread can go on?

[skytrain10]

Sounds interesting...say no more, I will amend my searches. I have a car with a Wankel engine!

[Ridge Runner]

something from Sveticas and Melnik?

[RegDep]

Something from Messrs. Н. Мельник and А. Светикас, although Giggle translitterates "Мельник" as Miller.

Tovarich Alexander Svetikas was an experienced pilot, as the unfolding story will tell.

[Ridge Runner]

this one, Reg?


á×ÉÁÃÉÏÎÎÁÑ ÂÉÂÌÉÏÔÅËÁ (http://www.airwar.ru/other/shawrov/htmls/glava13.html)

[Ridge Runner]

if so, OPEN HOUSE please

[skytrain10]

Well a search for Н. Мельник and А. Светикас found several drawings of it including the one used for the challenge but I can't see what its called, other that it appears to be a 1960 design by Н. Мельник and А. Светикас.

Edit to say, looks like RR has found it...well done mate.

[RegDep]

Correct RR :ok:

The backpack helicopter N. Melnik (Miller) and A. Svetikas

The story as I understand it:

These two gentlemen had built in 1959 - 1961 two ultralight helicopters.

They now (1961) designed and built their own even lighter helicopter, using a water-cooled Wankel engine that they apparently designed and built on their own. They fine-tuned the engine for 50 hours at 800 - 900 rpm. The test-bench study showed that it developed 30 hp (22 kW) at 17,000 rpm.

The experienced test pilot, Mr Svetikas, weighing 92 kg, strapped the helicopter on his back and stood on a tractor frame in a tractor shed, (which was his shop) and started the engine, holding strongly on the tractor. Then he increased the pitch angle of the rotor and the rpm. Suddenly, the pilot took off. Fuel tank and helicopter engine hit the ceiling of the shop, at height of five feet. One rotor blade broke off. Small propellers collapsed and fell on the Svetikas' shop floor.

The story ends, as it should, with a moral:

Fortunately, all went well, although the designers of the helicopter test grossly violated safety rules. The test should have been on a leash, on a flat open area.

Over to you RR :D

Edit to say RR has requested Open House

[Ridge Runner]

Hold on... I have one to post!!!!!!

[Ridge Runner]

Here you go!

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune080411-1.jpg

[skytrain10]

Morning mate. Front reminds me of a Magister. Is this a Fouga project?

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Ken. Not a Fouga. A project though. M

[skytrain10]

A light business jet project...? Is that a single jet engine in the tail, or two either side?

[RegDep]

Morning gentlemen. I think I saw this when I was looking for the dorsal intake business jet the other day. Cannot remember where :sad:.

Let's see…..

[Ridge Runner]

Morning Reg!!

Its a twin, mate. Also not a biz jet

[RegDep]

Jet or fan?

[Ridge Runner]

it was a pair of fans, Reg

[Ridge Runner]

Blimey boys, no ideas? I have to be off SC at 17:30 so do you need clues?

[teusje]

Yugoslav/Serbian? The cockpit reminds of the Soko Galeb.

[Ridge Runner]

No my friend, not Serbian/Yugoslav or even balkan..... RR

[skytrain10]

I'm back....not making much progress here....is it a European design Martin? A trainer I guess?

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Ken. Yes, it was European. Clue: a military machine.

[skytrain10]

Dornier P.375 project?

[Ridge Runner]

Not a Jerry, Ken

B-S engines, possibly

[RegDep]

Well, for everybody else is probably clear what an B-S engine is but I'll ask anyhow :O. Bristol Siddeley ?

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, sorry Reg. Bristol-Siddley was one of three options. It was aimed to be a ground-attack machine, similar to an A-10. Further clue - had tandem mainwheel undercarriage and outriggers under the wings. RR

[Ridge Runner]

I have to go soon but will log on later to check on progress..... RR

[RegDep]

OK, then not Saab 191, but probably Polish…..

[Ridge Runner]

Not Polish or Swedish, Reg

[skytrain10]

I'm going back to that cockpit canopy.....is it French...maybe Potez?

[teusje]

Hispano Aviacion HA.500 Alacran?

[RegDep]

Wow, how on earth did you do that, teusje?

[teusje]

Just using the clues, and having nothing better to do tonight than search Google for any sort of European attack aircraft.

But let's wait for RR to give it the :ok:

[RegDep]

OK, Ton. Please stay with us.

[SincoTC]

Welcome back to the thread Ton, what a find, well done! :D:D

I've been rather busy since my trip away during the week and my look at this one via the engine clue this evening, was I now know, frustrated by a typo describing the engine as an SB.358 so my searches for applications using the BS.358 came to naught!

No doubt Reg will have noted that once again the same Wiki (Spanish) entry, contains no reference at all to the Tandem U/C or outriggers and what details are present don't return with a search on the English version :ugh:Makes searching Airwar in Russian a doddle!

Let's hope Martin returns soon with his verdict, and wheressa LM then?? It seems like he's exchanged his Merc for a Huff and driven off in it :confused:

[skytrain10]

Evening all and welcome back ton - good call on the HA.500:ok: - subject of course to RR confirming.

And Trevor, good to see you back. The thread has been somewhat quiet, particularly lacking the banter from LM and coffee breaks from someone else :). LM appears to have called it a day, which is a shame, but there again these fighter pilots just have no staying power!

I'll check in in the morning to see if matters have moved along.

Good night

[SincoTC]

Guten Tag Reg :)

Dunno what'e happened to Martin!! As it well past twelve hours since his last posting and it's pretty obvious that ton is correct; I suggest that we award the win to teusje, who will I'm sure be online pretty soon and hopefully put up a new challenge. How do you feel about that?

Edited to say, goedemorgen ton, I see your light is on, do you have anything to post? If you have, I would like to hear from Reg, so we have a consensus, but I'm pretty sure he'll agree (pity it rolled over to a new page) F5 gents :ok:

[teusje]

I do have a new challenge ready to go.

[RegDep]

Good morning TC and Ton,

I agree that we can go on, I don't think Martin will mind, and I am convinced that Ton has it.

Edit 2: I second you TC!

[SincoTC]

Thanks for the response ton and your patience, that's great :ok:

I need a second for my proposal as it's not strictly per the guidelines, but it is as we've discussed and needs a second opinion, so any players lurking out there, Ken, Graeme or even David

Edited to say, Thanks Reg :ok: My bl:mad:y connection has needed re-booting every few minutes, so my responses are a bit awry!!

[RegDep]

I second you TC. Sorry for my mixup. One cup of coffee in the morning is not enough :O.

[teusje]

OK, here it is.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae84/teusje/aircraft/challenge-25.jpg

Ton.

[skytrain10]

Morning all.

Ton, it bears a striking resemblance to something I found yesterday. Trouble is I can't find a name for it! There is reference in 1991 Flight to a "Yugoslav Jet Like Trainer". 1991 | 1738 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%201738.html)
There are some differences, particularly the prop shroud design, but otherwise it looks pretty close?

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, the HA-500 Alacan (Scorpion). Enjoy your day!

[SincoTC]

My connection at home this morning is hopeless, dropping out every few minutes. I'm off to work in a few moments and will have another go at breaktime on a better connection.

In the meantime, I don't see anywhere for the nose-gear to stow and the mainwheels look like it could be fixed?

COIN or LARA type, can't see any weapons or hardpoints in this view?

Edited to say Thanks Martin :ok: and I hope you're happy with us carrying on!

I think that looks like a pretty good call Ken, now I've at last stayed connected long enough to download the link!! Off to work now catchya later.

[teusje]

Skytrain, you've got it!:ok:

You have control.

Ton.

Edit: It was never more than a design that needed funding for further development.
But since the funding never came through, it was never built.

Jugoslovenska vazduhoplovna industrija posle WWII :: Vojska, vojni forum - MyCity Military (http://www.mycity-military.com/Avijacija-i-PVO/Jugoslovenska-vazduhoplovna-industrija-posle-WWII_2.html#782426)

[skytrain10]

Thanks Ton...did it have a name? I'm presuming it would have been an UTVA model?

Stand-by for the next one.

[skytrain10]

Apologies for the delay but like Sinco my connection speed is poor today...taken 15 mins to upload to photobucket!

Anyway here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/3d3b4b6c.jpg

[Noyade]

Some sort of homebuilt Ken?

[Noyade]

Looks old though? Circa 1960?

[RegDep]

Now then. What are we having here?

- A low wing and relatively high/tall cabin, or
- A high wing

The shadow speaks for the former, unless there is a cabin / wing additive effect to the side view.

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon Gents, evening Graeme,

Just grabbing some lunch and a quick look-in; my initial reaction, going from the apparent slope of the nose, was that it was an Agrcultural aircraft with tandem seating for two.

I haven't found a match yet, but you're right Reg, it could be a high-wing cabin type and some of the high cockpit could be wing!

[RegDep]

Have looked through the obvious agricultural ones but are there so many tandems?

[skytrain10]

Afternoon all

Answers:
- homebuild...no
- 1960's....yes :ok:
- low wing (so yes, a relatively high cabin) :ok:
- and yes, it was adapted from an agricultural aircraft :ok:

Working in the garden so will check in periodically

[RegDep]

Yet another PZL Kruk derivative?

Or something like CallAir B-1 (the LG looks like it, if you would put another seat IN FRONT of the pilot seat of A-9).

Just entertaining myself…..

[skytrain10]

Or something like CallAir B-1 (the LG looks like it, if you would put another seat IN FRONT of the pilot seat of A-9).
Excellent call Reg:ok:. It is actually based on the A-9. Now you just need to tell me what it is!

[SincoTC]

I thought that Reg had got it 'coz another page appeared but I couldn't go to it (deleted post I suppose)

The A9B-M “Naco” ??

I'm back to work now, then off home to a dodgy connection, so Open House please if correct. I hope to see you later this evening and tomorrow if I can get the damp string to conduct!!

Cheers TC

[RegDep]

Looked at Quail Commander before I went to take a shower, and it was still a one-seater, so it must then be AAMSA A9-BM Quail, as TC says…..

I think I edited my last, but was commanded to shower, so if I lost this one, I'll sulk to Memsahib.

PS: Or maybe Aero Sparrow Commander, who cares :(.

The M will not let go my ear, so I'll go to the park for a walk. Will be back an an hour or two. So long folks.

[skytrain10]

Well done Sinco, it is the AAMSA A9B-M Naco from Mexico. Modified from the CallAir A9, it was aimed as a low cost trainer for the Mexican Air Force. Obviously they were not too enthusiastic as only 1 aircraft was built!
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/27b19cbb.jpg

SincoTC has declared Open House. I think as RegDep got as far as CallAir that, in Sinco's absence, he should have control.

[Lightning Mate]

...agreed....

[Lightning Mate]

An important message for Graeme:

Looks old though? Circa 1960?

That applies to you mate, not the aeroplane......................:E:E

[RegDep]

Look who is back! Hi LM!

Here's one from my sleeve:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/1486_edited-2.jpg

[teusje]

Yakovlev Yak18T?

Open House if correct please. I have nothing to offer right now.

[RegDep]

Yakovlev Yak18T?

Yes, Yakovlev Yak18T.

Open House requested by teusje

[hum]

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f318/gerryhum/silhouette.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening and welcome Gerry.

OSKBES MAI Aviatika MAI-890

[hum]

:D Spot on - a recently acquired folly.... great fun it is too :-) A +6 -4G aerial quadbike.... great for counting the cattle!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f318/gerryhum/migbanksmall.jpg

Amazingly over-engineered for a tiny light aircraft (eg solid titanium undercarriage) and surprisingly agile....

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/xPPzSF07EsrNe40Iv7DguYnD3B6WlYUvNOsvre2Sb2Y?feat=directlink



You have control :-)

[SincoTC]

Welcome back LM and a good call mate :ok:

A warm welcome to you too hum! Great video; it hasn't got the thrust/weight ratio of a Harrier, but it sure looks like a fun little aeroplane :D

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you hum, and TC for your comments.

Due to the Grand Prix I'm just within the twelve hour rule so please standby gentlemen for a seemples one for a lazy Sunday.

[Lightning Mate]

Forgot that I had one not quite so seemples......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossa.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like it's been a good scrap on "What Cockpit". :)

Things are much better now that Graeme is just nine hours ahead of us. :ok:

[Noyade]

G'day David!

We went back an hour last weekend. Time here is 2045 hrs. PPrune says 1045 hrs.

Yours the Miles M.7A Nighthawk?

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening mate. :)

Remarkably similar, but not a Miles.

Prune is now GMT+1, and it's saying 1148 on my screen.

[Noyade]

Prune is now GMT+1All too complicated for me. All I know is I'm always in front...;)

Looks familiar...Scandinavian, Finnish, Danish...or something or other...

[Lightning Mate]

Trust me mate, you are nine hours ahead of us because we have gone forward an hour on GMT.


Scandinavian, Finnish, Danish...or something or other...

Other.....

[Noyade]

Looking at the tiles on the background building.

They look Spanish...did it serve in the Spanish Civil War?

(I have no idea what a Spanish tile looks like! :})

[Lightning Mate]

You jammy sod!

Spanish it is mate. Standby for the civil war question, which will give it to you I'm sure.....

[Lightning Mate]

This exact model was not in the Spanish civil war, but the number is so so close.

Go get it mate. I'll accept two other models from the same designer/manufacturer. ;)

[teusje]

I guess it could be the González Gil-Pazó GP-2 then.

[Lightning Mate]

I have it as the GP-1.

Nice shooting Ton - you have control.

...a bit slow these Aussies.....:E

[teusje]

Thank you, David.

According to this site the GP-1 was an open cockpit version which did take part in the war.

Spanish Civil War Aircraft (http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/did.html)

Anyway here's the next challenge

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae84/teusje/aircraft/challenge-26.jpg

Ton.