Silhouette challenge

[Ridge Runner]

its the new Jap ASW machine

the P-8/P-X/

[Lightning Mate]

Kawasaki P-1?

[skytrain10]

Lasted longer than I thought it would!

I would have accepted XP-1 or P-X, as well as P-1 (which is the production model, although strictly speaking the silhouette was of the prototype)

On that basis I feel I should award it to RR who came up with P-X before LM came up with P-1.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/KawasakiXP-1.jpg

Correction to above, as RR edited his post to reflect P-X just as LM identified it as the P-1.

So with RR's agreement, LM has control as P-1 was one of the identies I would accept.

[Ridge Runner]

A close run thing. In fairness I think David posted just as I edited my post. Please re-think and decide. My initial answer was "P-8", which was wrong, and then modded to "P-X"

RR

[skytrain10]

Ah, ok, I couldn't see that you had edited your post.

In that case, if you're happy with it, I'll hand control over to LM. So David, its all yours mate.

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you both.

When I posted RR had said P8. If you edit within ten minutes it is not reflected as such.

Here's an interesting project:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat346copy.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

BTW, there's an interesting thread on the Mil forum.

"Alert Southern WIWOLS". Banter clouds gathering......

[Ridge Runner]

Russian, David? Those cannons would point to that?

[Lightning Mate]

It was indeed Russian.

[RegDep]

A pusher????????

[Lightning Mate]

You could say that, but no prop.

[SincoTC]

Good morning LM,

I think it's the Tikhonravov 302P AKA Kostikov 302P ??

[Lightning Mate]

A very good morning to you TC.

Correct ID. :ok:

Which one do you want up next?

[RegDep]

Tikhonravov I-302P (1943)

Blaah!

[Lightning Mate]

Do catch up RegDep :E

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM,

I don't mind what order, surprise me, Ta!

I'll leave my light on, I'm off in the workshops at the moment, but will cast an eye as often as I can.

Sorry RegDep :)

[Lightning Mate]

Coming up............

[Lightning Mate]

An offering from TC:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/TC_wtf009.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Well I've found it!!

Not playing though.

[skytrain10]

It looks very like a Thurston (Schweizer) Teal, and there were some with tricycle undercarriage. But the floats are missing.....!!

[skytrain10]

Just trying to find a photo, but is it the Patchen Explorer 2000 from South Africa?

[RegDep]

http://www.aerofiles.com/patchen.jpg

[SincoTC]

It is indeed the Patchen Explorer!

An american homebuilt one-off by Marvin Patchen, Ramona CA.

I will post some info and the African connection soon!

skytrain has Control :D

[skytrain10]

Thanks for the picture link RegDep. I didn't really have much time to look..having given it away by saying Thurston Teal I thought I had better jump in quickly with the Patchen Explorer...the description seemed spot on.

Will wait to see what Sinco says.

[Lightning Mate]

The Stig has spoke.

[RegDep]

Skytrain, its all yours. I found the picture after you posted the name.

[skytrain10]

Cheers Sinco...I said South Africa largely because it said that in a book I had! Nice challenge.

About time we had a helicopter:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/SC178.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Aeris Naviter?

Or maybe AN-2 ENARA

[SincoTC]

Thanks for the clarification RegDep, I had assumed from the timings (and the lack of any question marks) that you were responding to skytrain's remark about trying to find a photo of the Patchen Explorer, as that's the only aircraft image that Goggle presents!

More info on that one:

David Thurston who designed and devolped the Thurston Teal, also designed a landplane version designated TSC-2 Explorer, in conjunction with an aviation magazine and Marvin Patchen Inc, which financed this development and acquired the production rights for this aircraft, planning to build civil and law-enforcement versions as the Explorer and Observer respectively.

Subsequently, Dr Maitland Reed’s National Dynamics (Pty) Ltd of Durban, South Africa, acquired this project from Patchen, but later decided not to build either version of this aircraft.

The sole Patchen Explorer, is still alive and well, operated by the South African Air Force Museum. The prototype was shipped to the Republic of South Africa and evaluated by the SAAF's test flight and development centre for use as a light recon forward air control aircraft, but was not quite what was required. As a result it languished in a hangar for many years before being donated to the SAAF Museum.

Comments by Display pilot — James R Feuilherade 11/15/00. Why only one prototype was ever built I do not know, as it is a great little aircraft with a fantastic helicopter-type view from the cockpit. I will admit that it does not have the greatest control harmony (sensitive rudder and elevator, heavy ailerons), but it goes well with a 200hp Lycoming and variable-pitch prop. I served with the SAAF Museum during 1999 as a display pilot and flew the Patchen at many airshows. It looks so weird that it attracts far more interest at airshows than many of the vintage aircraft!

[skytrain10]

They're going thick and fast today....yes its the Aeris Naviter AN-2 helicopter from Spain.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/AerisNaviterAN-2.jpg

Well done LM...all yours!

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you skytrain.

Good thread today innit! Wheressa night shift gone?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat347-1.jpg

[skytrain10]

Interesting. Clearly a museum exhibit although the light aircraft in the background doesn't seem to belong....or does it?

Would this be an American machine?

[Lightning Mate]

Ah, a response.

Not American I'm afraid. The aeroplane in the background might belong, but I don't honestly know. I'll have a look for you.

[Lightning Mate]

There are aircraft there from several parts of the world, so it's probable that the background aircraft is not at all connected with the challenge.

[RegDep]

Just a newbie's question: Why would the tail not give it away?

[Lightning Mate]

It might well do, but what would you enter in search?

[RegDep]

No idea. Just asking. Thought the oldies would be able to restrict the search to relatively early years and this tail might point to some direction.....

[skytrain10]

The tail is quite unusal as RegDep implies, but I don't recognise it, but there is something familiar about the aircraft. Time for some more fishing....French possibly?

[Lightning Mate]

fisshy fisshy but not Ffrench.

....and oi Reg, you're not a newbie anymore. Get yourself a Photobucket or Imageshack account and get posting!

[skytrain10]

So it must be Russian then.....

[Lightning Mate]

Niet Russian...........

[RegDep]

Re: familiarity, I first thought it could be Blackburn Ribbon (not having seen the Ribbon tail yet) and thinking that the small aircraft in the background (and the general outlook of the museum) would imply Finland where the only Ribbon II F left is (and the small one would be PIK-23). All wrong. The Ribbon has not been restored, PIK-23 is not in the museum (and has different L/G). And the tail, of course is different. So: Square one, hop-hop!

[Lightning Mate]

Square one it looks like.

[Ridge Runner]

I reckon Far East is the location shown, not sure where yet. However i don't think the macchine is necessarily from tha part of the world. Anyway I'll take a stab at at least being Asian?

[Lightning Mate]

Now you're movin'.

[skytrain10]

Of course...its the RTAF Museum at Bangkok...

So is it the Baribatra Bomber 2....?

[Lightning Mate]

Bingo Ken - it is indeed.:D

Take the floor please. :)

[skytrain10]

Thanks LM....I'm kicking myself as it took a prompt from RR to get me thinking....I've been there!!! Mind you looking at their website it has changed....thats my excuse anyway!

Stand-by gents

[Lightning Mate]

I've been there too - 24 years ago.

[RegDep]

THIS IS NOT FAIR!

In the very beginning, I went to Wold Aviation Museums thread to see if any pic would lead me to the correct museum.

The Bankok thing, DOES NOT SHOW ANY PICTURES, at least not for me http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/209741-world-aviation-museums-mod-post-16-05-a.html#post2380033

Ant the first one would have been the correct one :sad:

:{

[Lightning Mate]

The museum site shows lots of pictures - wheredya think I got it?

Next time I'll airbrush out the whole museum interior.

[RegDep]

Maybe, but can I go through all museums there are? Thought pprune would lead someone somewhere useful....

Yes, Your Royal Meanness!

[skytrain10]

Sorry, got stuck on the phone....here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc180-1.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

ah bugger... I've seen this recently... but where!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A yank, I think?

[Ridge Runner]

I'm kicking myself as it took a prompt from RR to get me thinking

happy to oblige!!

[skytrain10]

A yank, I think?

You think correctly....

[Ridge Runner]

I reckon you've been cruising around some of my favourite sites!!!

[skytrain10]

Moi?....surely not!

[Ridge Runner]

oh yes! But I'm at work and my saved sites are on my home computer!

[RegDep]

I'ts not a true amphibian, but a flying boat where you can separately fix the L/G?

[skytrain10]

RegDep.....unfortunately the information I have is limited but from the 3-view you may be right.

[RegDep]

Never flew, then?

[skytrain10]

Sounds like you know what it is RegDep? Yes, reportedly it never flew.

[RegDep]

No, I have no idea. Just fishing.

Although just today read about an a/c where the cockpit was open but there was a closed cabin for passengers. Not sure if it was a seaplane.... My memory is good but pretty short.

[SincoTC]

Good evening skytrain,

A little more fishing; does it belong to the 1920's, are they Liberty engines and is it on the Web ?

[skytrain10]

Hi Sinco
- 1920's....yes
- Liberty engines...no
- web....yes
Hopefully that will help you.
Just off to cut the grass now, so will check-in a little later.

[SincoTC]

Thanks for that, I've got to go soon and my internet seems very slow tonight!

So not American engines ? are they German ? Is it on Aerofiles ?

Probably missed you now, but it may help someone else :)

[skytrain10]

my internet seems very slow tonight!We get used to that here! Perils of living in the sticks I guess.

Just taking a half time break
- engines are not German
- its on Aerofiles

Cheers

[SincoTC]

Thanks skytrain, just shutting down when your reply came in and it spurred me on to talke another look.

It's the Cox-Klemin CK-1

That took a bit of winkling out mate!! (must make a note of getting that year book) Good one :ok:

I'm off home now, so Open House please if you confirm.

[skytrain10]

Lawns cut...finally!

Well done Sinco, it is the Cox-Klemin CK-1:ok:. I had wondered how it would turn out bearing in mind that Aerofiles have it down under the wrong name (they list it as the CK-2A)! No picture to offer unfortunately.

SincoTC has declared Open House.

[Ridge Runner]

Here goes...http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune270810.jpg

[skytrain10]

Morning mate....is it the Sleiters IS-1?

[Ridge Runner]

It is mate, the Imant-Sleiters IS-1

http://latvianaviation.com/VS%20Images/Bekmanis/VSB%2077.jpg
You have control

[Lightning Mate]

Morning all.

A nice long weekend and looking forward to lots of fun on thread. Are you all off this weekend?

[Ridge Runner]

Morning! I'm around Sat and Sun, in between cutting grass, clipping a hedge, getting new tyres for the other half's car, and seeking out some TREs to do some work for me!!!! Going for a long walk on Monday.....and a pub lunch! RR

[skytrain10]

Morning LM and RR
I'm around too...back in the garden today, wood cutting and more grass to cut. Bit of work around the house...a door to hang...other than that hoping for a relaxed weekend. What you up to David?

And stand-by for the next challenge.

[skytrain10]

Here we go chaps:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc182.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

What you up to David?

Not a lot. Might vacuum the Merc and polish it.

[Lightning Mate]

A pusher by the looks of it.

[skytrain10]

It is a pusher.

[RegDep]

I'm around but for the most part prohibited to sit in front of the screen by The R.H. Missus.

Technical question for the thread: Drones out-of-season here?

[Lightning Mate]

Technical question for the thread: Drones out-of-season here?

Nope, it's all fair game here mate except models.

[Ridge Runner]

Not a lot. Might vacuum the Merc and polish it. Might vacuum the Merc and polish it.

The life you lead, eh? You fly boys!!!

[Lightning Mate]

....and wossa wrong with expensive cars when you have four incomes?
:E:E:E

....and I see you edited your post.:p

[Lightning Mate]

Is the challenge the Ion 100?

Either that or the 120.

[Ridge Runner]

Tyres down... off out with the scythe now (its what us poor people use!)

[skytrain10]

Close enough LM, its the Vulcan Ion 110:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/VulcanAviationIon110.jpg

You have control.

[Lightning Mate]

Just for you RR

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/CLK.jpg

Thank you skytrain. Please standby.

[skytrain10]

You missed a bit!!

[Lightning Mate]

skytrain,

What got me about your silhouette was the jobbie between the mainwheels.

Now I see that you silhouetted a green field as well...............:=

You missed a bit!!

Wot?

[Lightning Mate]

An easy one for Saturday afternoon:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat300-1.jpg

[RegDep]

Sukhoi Superjet-100

[Lightning Mate]

Got it in one RegDep.

The stage is all yours.

[RegDep]

OPEN HOUSE

Gotta go... Missus.....

[Lightning Mate]

The easy ones go too fast.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat341-2.jpg

PS sorry about the wheels - rush jobber.

[skytrain10]

LM, incidentally your comment:

Now I see that you silhouetted a green field as well...Suggest you take another look....that "greed field" is part of the aircraft. Here it is from another angle:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/Air_1-a.jpg

And as for your motor....check that door...looks like bird poop to me!!

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/CLK1.jpg

[skytrain10]

Tell me this is not from Breguets!

Is this pre-WWI?

[Lightning Mate]

And as for your motor....check that door...looks like bird poop to me!!

It's not actually my motor. Just an image of exactly the same vehicle, because the photo of mine is somewhere on a portable hard drive which I can't locate.

Apologies about the "fuselage jobber".

My challenge is indeed pre-1918 and no, it's not from Breguets you will be pleased to know.

American.

[skytrain10]

Well, been through Aerofiles without any success.

Now going through my books.

[skytrain10]

Found it...and guess where....Breguets! Its in Aerofiles but I had ruled it out on first inspection as in the picture they had used the cockpit area bore little relation to the silhouette. I guess the aircraft was modified somewhere along the line.

Anyway its the Laird Baby Biplane....at least I hope it is!

Here's the picture I found in Breguets.
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h179/Varese2002/BC639.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Ken.

You do seem to have had the thread to yourself - I suppose most people are enjoying a long weekend elsewhere, but I wonder where the nightshift has been.

Nice call - the Laird Baby Biplane.

Wot you got lined up?

Edit to say I see RR lurking in the background.

[skytrain10]

Morning David. Nice challenge. So much for "its not from Breguets"!!

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/SC181.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

This looks like a cracker. Younger than it looks on first inspection I bet.

[Ridge Runner]

any link with Pitts?

Edit to say I see RR lurking in the background.

I'm here. Just painted front door - again! Front grass and hedge all done yesterday. Now out to tidy borders and cut the back! Also still looking for TRIs!!!!

RR

[Ridge Runner]

actually that tail looks very Piper!

[skytrain10]

Younger than it looks on first inspection I bet

It probably is....its quite new.

Pitts/Piper...no connection that I know of RR

Filled up one log box yesterday, plus hung door. On to the second log box today!

[Lightning Mate]

It's a ringer for the Readair Spacewalker 2.

[skytrain10]

Good hunting LM....its not the Spacewalker but the likeness is not coincidental. There is a connection.

[teusje]

I think it's the Warner Sportster.

Open House please if correct

Warner_Aerocraft » Page 1 of 5 (http://www.warnerair.com/)

[skytrain10]

Well done ton :ok:, it is the Warner Sportster, essentially a stretched Spacewalker (which Warner used to produce at one stage before production was taken over by Serenity Aviation).

The Sportster does have a fairly unique feature in that it can covert from open to closed cockpit, and from a two seater to a single seater:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/WarnerairSportsterOpenCockpit.jpg

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/warner_aerocraft001010.jpg

ton has declared Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

Is RR still outdoors?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat349.jpg

[skytrain10]

A flying car design?

Having said that it appears a little lacking on the propulsion front! Is there a hidden prop there somewhere?

[Lightning Mate]

That's what I thought your first shot would be, but it isn't.

Experimental - one made.

Look carefully at the gap between the wings.

Pusher prop.

[Lightning Mate]

Wanna 'nuther clue?

Just ask.......

[Lightning Mate]

RegDep...

Heads up - missus...missus.....

[RegDep]

G'day LM,

Yes please. Explain what you mean by the cap between the wings. Is the cap in fact as wide as the body (hull?)?

Edit: Yes to the clue....:eek:

Edit 2: Or has it a "whole wing aileron"

[Walter-Karl]

Hi David, the Spratt Model 108 Control Wing?

[RegDep]

Funny: the first I looked for was Flying Flea....

[Lightning Mate]

...and the winner is.....

Walter Karl.

Standby for a post WK.

[Lightning Mate]

This one comes to you from WK.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/WK23.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

BTW chaps, my next clue for the Spratt Model 108 Control Wing was to be:

Check my post 13556 on page 678.

[skytrain10]

It looks very similar to the UTVA-65 Privrednik, save for the cabin. A variant maybe?

Now I've found a photo of one with an all glass cab, so I'll say it is the UTVA-65!

[RegDep]

Piper PA-25 Pawnee

Edit: Sorry, no way.

[teusje]

I think the nose is wrong for the UTVA-65 so I'll say UTVA-67

If correct please declare Open House.

[RegDep]

LM Check my response post 13556.

[Lightning Mate]

Since you seem to be in fear of the memsab

Yes your meekness.....

[RegDep]

I didn't ask permission from the Missus, but I vote for teusje.

[Lightning Mate]

Well, I'm voting for skytrain.

[hesham]

Please,was it UTVA-65 or UTVA-67 ?.

[Lightning Mate]

Only WK can answer you.

[Lightning Mate]

Up something sleeve got skytrain........?? ;)

[skytrain10]

Up something sleeve got skytrain........??

I do as it happens. Not counting my chickens yet, but I'm pretty happy with the UTVA-65. The 3-view matches that in Observers perfectly, save for the cockpit. The only description I've found of the -67 (bear in mind it wasn't actually built) says its got a larger hopper and a "redesigned fuselage", which would imply that the 3-view would not match.

We'll wait for WK, but in the meantime I'm back in the garden. Will check-in later.

[Lightning Mate]

Well, I'm with you that's for sure.

[RegDep]

Skytrain, just out of technical curiosity: You say 67 was never built, some text mention it was first flown 1967. Given that this mentioning seems to be circulating without proper reference, and no pictures so far found, where do you get that it was never built?

Reg

[Lightning Mate]

If I may:


A later variant of the Utva 65, the Utva 67 first flown in 1967 was similar but had the eight cylinder 400 hp (298 kW) Lycoming IO-720-A1A (http://wapedia.mobi/en/Lycoming_IO-720) and a revised fuselage of greater capacity. Its top speed was 295 km/h (184 mph).


:)

[RegDep]

Exactly that. So, how to fly one if not built?

Or maybe it's my English (or lack thereof) and (bear in mind it wasn't actually built) means something else than I know :O.

Edit: OK, I plead no contest!

[Walter-Karl]

Douze Points for skytrain10:D
I think it is safe to assume that the UTVA-67 Privrednik II (400hp Lycoming O-720 and redesigned fuselage, larger hopper) was not built.

skytrain10, your show please!

[Lightning Mate]

See, it was obvious that tryingskrain was correct.

OK gentlemen, get under the table - incoming......:\

Walter, I'm not at work until Tuesday, but I think you now have 8 left.

Sorry, I've got them all here and it is 8.

[skytrain10]

I think it is safe to assume that the UTVA-67 Privrednik II (400hp Lycoming O-720 and redesigned fuselage, larger hopper) was not built.

Thanks Walter. There is a certain amount of questionable information on the UTVA-67, but to quote an authorative work on the subject, in respect of the -67 "....was proposed....but did not reach prototype stage".

Here's something a little different, and probably very easy!

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc183.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

what the ......?

[skytrain10]

what the ......?

Thought you'd like it!

[Lightning Mate]

what the ......?

That goes for me too.....

and probably very easy!

Yep, very easy indeed. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Don't tell me it's another pusher prop jobber!

[RegDep]

Low wing and the left third of the picture (after the left "window") is winglet?

[Lightning Mate]

Go open another bottle RegDep.

See you next week sometime.

[RegDep]

Just opened. Italian red. How did you know? My fishing that bad? :suspect:

See ya. Have fun.

[skytrain10]

Don't tell me it's another pusher prop jobber!
In that case I wont! But it is!

Low wing and the left third of the picture (after the left "window") is winglet?
Not really a low wing Reg, and no winglets. And that left "window" is a gap, ie not part of the aircraft.

Just enjoying a nice Australian cabernet....Graeme would be proud!

[RegDep]

Ben Brown Pusher patent 1.836.896.

Now pizza Margaritha.

[RegDep]

Or Ben Brown SC, if you like it better that way.

http://www.aerofiles.com/benbrown.jpg

http://www.aerofiles.com/benbrown-SC.jpg

Now going to bed.

OPEN HOUSE (in PPRuNe, only).

[skytrain10]

Well done RegDep, yes its the Ben Brown Pusher, aka Brown SC :D. Here it is, minus its pusher prop.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/BenPrownPusher.jpg

It did fly!

RegDep has declared Open House

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry, visitors - just gone.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat360.jpg

[skytrain10]

Evening mate....did you find that looking for the Ion aircraft?

[skytrain10]

It looks very much like the Junqua Diffusion Ibis RJ03.....?

[Walter-Karl]

Hi David, the Junqua RJ-83 Ibis from France?

[Walter-Karl]

skytrain10 and the seconds game....... :mad:
I propose to ban him from the forum :)

[skytrain10]

Good evening Walter....I had the advantage...we've had it before and I was the one who posted it!

Of course it may be just an Ibis look-a-like! LM's gone off line now so we may have to wait until morning.

I'll say good night...hope you had a nice weekend?

Ken

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning all.

I had the advantage...we've had it before and I was the one who posted it!

A certain Lightning Pilot needs to sharpen up.....:\:\:\

skytrain is at the helm.

[skytrain10]

Good morning.

Thanks David.....don't worry, we've all done that before!

Here's my offering for this morning:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/SC184.jpg

[Walter-Karl]

hi skytrain10,
could it possibly by any chance and with a lot of luck be the Beech PD-285
prototype before it got the t-tail?
PS: I am glad you are not allowed to reply:p

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like yoy've cracked that one WK.

Your next is ready - keep an eye on the thread.

[skytrain10]

Got it in one Walter :ok:, it is the Beech PD-285, the forerunner of the Beech 77 Skipper (with of course a T-tail).

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/BeechPD285.jpg

WK has control.

[Lightning Mate]

Another one from WK.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/WK24-1.jpg

[zetec2]

Something from PEIL perhaps, looks like an Emeraude tourer ?, PH.

[Lightning Mate]

I don't think so.

[Walter-Karl]

zetec2 is close. Yes it is French and yes it has relationship with the Emeraude.
However, it is known under a different name and I understand 2 or 3 may have been built, including one in Italy

[hesham]

Thank you Skytrain10 very much.

[RegDep]

CP100 "Mascaret"?

Edit: No, it is not.....

Lets try Robert Denize RD.105 Raid-Driver (or RD.130 as aback-up); connection being Piel's early work with Ronald / Robert Denize.

[Walter-Karl]

Hi RegDep, indeed Robert Denize`s Raid Driver. :D
Based on the Emeraude, but stretched fuselage and more glass in cockpit area. The first one was Denize`s own RD-105 and at least 2 further a/c, also in France, as RD-105. Then there is an RD-20/150 of 1989 also named Raid Driver, but could not yet figure out reason for different designation. One aircraft (registered I-VIDB) built in Italy.

You have control, Sir

[RegDep]

Thanks WK.

Must declare the House Open.

Need too much time to find answers and use too little to learn how to post. Need repurposing.

[Ridge Runner]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune200710A.jpgeasy peesy......

[one11]

BA Double Eagle.

Finally got back in after taking a break from the thread and then a string of impossibles or missed timings...........

[Ridge Runner]

That's close enough.

You have control mate

[one11]

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune30810.jpg

Pre-apologies for any response delays as I'll be offline a lot today

[Ridge Runner]

Is that a pusher motor I see?

[one11]

Yes, it's a pusher

[SincoTC]

Good morning one11,

I think it may be the Nelson BB-1 Dragonfly ?

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning TC.

I'm ready with your next when you are. :)

[SincoTC]

Good moning LM,

Thanks; it's going to be one of those days today, half the staff away on holiday, sick or delivery/commissioning, builders back after the rain last week to dig the foundations and a new co-ordinate measuring machine arriving at eleven.

I'll leave my light on and monitor as often as I can. (if it's correct that is!)

Edited to say I think it had better be 008 now mate as I gotta be off fairly early tonight, so that one should be long gone!!

[Lightning Mate]

Oh, it's correct all right!

Wanna 008 or 010?

[Lightning Mate]

008 it will be then.

I have to go offline at 1315 for 50 minutes.

I'll put the green light off whilst I'm in class.

[one11]

Yes, Nelson Dragonfly. Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long to take control SincoTC.
Now, minus engine, in the Canadian Museum of Flight

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune30810p.jpg

[SincoTC]

Thanks one11, I fancy I saw one of these either at the NASM in DC, or stored at their Garber Facility in MD in '95

LM will post my next offering shortly.

[skytrain10]

I fancy I saw one of these either at the NASM in DC, or stored at their Garber Facility in MD in '95
In 95 I think it would have been the Garber facility (my brother used to live within a few miles of it, so I was a semi-regular visitor!). Its now on display at Dulles. Hope all is well with you?

[SincoTC]

Thanks for that update skytrain: things are good with me thank you.

It looks like LM has been unexpectedly delayed, and as I have to get away fairly promptly today, I think it would be prudent for me to declare Open House now.

Bummer!! posted the above and come back to find skytrain and one11's lights have gone out and LM is back!! However, I think that we'd better stick with the OH as there doesn't seem to be many on line at the moment!

[Lightning Mate]

Please standby gentlemen - the server has been down.

[Lightning Mate]

Here is the latest from TC:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/TC_wtf008.jpg

[SincoTC]

Hi LM,

you obviously missed my comments above; seeing as there's only thee and me about at the moment, do you want me to send you the answers, or are you going to ID it before I go (or swap it with one of your own and keep this in reserve)?

[Lightning Mate]

I would leave it up mate.

I'm working on a colleagues computer - he can connect but I can't.

I'll be home in about 50 minutes, so it's up to you.

I'll check in then. You have my e-mail address if you want to go down the route of giving me clues to post.

[SincoTC]

Up it is then,

I see a couple of names on-line now, so I expect someone will solve my dilemma, otherwise I'll email you the answer/clues as late as I can before I have to go.

[skytrain10]

Seen this before somewhere....is that a 10 cyl radial?

[SincoTC]

I don't have the number of cylinders in the info, I'll try and find out whether it's nine or ten.

Edited to say I've measured angles on the original image and have since found a reference.

It is a nine cylinder radial

[Lightning Mate]

Watching from the touchline with interest.....

I'm very sorry about the electronic upcock at work TC. :\

[SincoTC]

Don't worry mate, these things happen!

Unfortunately, I've got to go at seven tonight (sister in law's birthday), If it's not gone by quarter to, I'll send you the answer/clues if that's OK with you?

Edited to say I'm off soon so answer/clues sent to home address. I's like to have confirmation of their receipt before I go if possible!

seeya tomorrow!

[SincoTC]

LM, See edit to my last post, I thought that I'd just do this in case you've got a "new post" alert set. Ta

[Lightning Mate]

TC,

e-mail received.

I have control everyone. Please bear in mind that wef 0830 tomorrow I will have to use the connection of a colleague.

Meanwhile, this evening, I have clues lined up and TC has pre-empted questions and supplied answers.

It's very unusual for a player to know the answer and not play, but at least TC is able to throw things up (sic).

I'm happy to do this, so off you all go.......

Edit: off you all go - you seem to be alone out there skytrain....

[Noyade]

The Bonney Gull.

[Lightning Mate]

G'day Mate!

Whereya bin....?

Bingo with the challenge.

It's all yours. :):)

[Noyade]

Been away mate and the weather has been improving.

My latest artwork I've labelled "Smoky Morn"...maybe I should try selling them? I could be rich and famous?!

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1647/smokeymorn.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/i/smokeymorn.jpg/)

Now I've noticed a drop in your Photo-shop standard lately David, tsk, tsk...maybe it's time to try pen and paper? :=:). Please explain...

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1415/wossat34127531666.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/wossat34127531666.jpg/)

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9374/wossat3607618050.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/wossat3607618050.jpg/)
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7417/12642897629160.jpg (http://img176.imageshack.us/i/12642897629160.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Mate!

This is to be expected after a few glasses of something a little stronger than the stuff which comes in cardboard boxes......

Stick around. :(

[Noyade]

Ya getting old mate...time to haul you away...:)

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3933/najn8jtz6pwb2iq2shbawv2.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/najn8jtz6pwb2iq2shbawv2.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Now then.....

There's one Lightning which even you could handle. :p

[Noyade]

:D

OK...want a clue for "Smoky Morn?"

[Lightning Mate]

Coming up to 1800....

A couple of glasses and you might trip up.

[SincoTC]

Good morning LM, evening Graeme,

Thanks for looking after the shop David, I hope it wasn't too boring as contestants seemed to have been a bit sparse!

Congratulations Graeme on getting the Gull; I'm not surprised really, because when I was compiling the data, I saw the title of the book where the quote below was taken from and I thought to myself, there's a volume that's bound to be on the Wizard of Oz's shelves!

The Gull was Designed by Leonard Warden Bonney who learned to fly with Orville Wright in 1910, it was built by Kirkham Motor Co, Flushing NY.

Extract from "The World's Worst Aircraft", Jim Winchester 2005

Despite 25 years of evidence to the contrary, American pilot and inventor Leonard Warden Bonney believed the secret to manned flight was to emulate the birds as closely as possible. To this end he kept and studied seagulls and devised an aircraft on avian principles. The Bonney Gull emerged in late 1927 and was unlike anything before or since. The wings, which really can be described as gull-like, did everything except actually flap, incorporating variable incidence, variable dihedral, and variable sweep of the outer sections. After four years' work and considerable testing in wind tunnels and on the ground, and despite the protest of friends and observers, Bonney took off in the Gull on 4 May 1928. The Gull wobbled, fishtailed and plunged into the ground, killing Bonney and ending his dream of flying like the birds.

Here's a rather sad little video clip showing the all too short maiden flight:

YouTube - The Bonney Gull (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Udr_1FkiI)

Off to work now, so have a good morning guys, seeya coffee time if possible. Edited to say email recieved, thanks LM, will action ASAP.

[Lightning Mate]

TC, please check e-mail.

[Noyade]

OMG!

I refreshed the forum header and saw the Stig and thought I'm done! :ooh:

Extract from "The World's Worst Aircraft", Jim Winchester 2005 Yeah mate, I've got that book. I think half the world has it but I disagree with a lot of the entries.

How are you by the way? I see that you coached Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz recently?

[Lightning Mate]

Back to the challenge.

Was it American?

[Noyade]

Not American mate.

It's a pusher by the way...

[Lightning Mate]

A pusher...??????

So the front is to the right then.

[Noyade]

Yep. Pilot is facing to the right of screen...

[Lightning Mate]

Is it on the web?

[RegDep]

Like Dixon-Nipper but apparently is not.....

[Noyade]

Is it on the web?

Yes. Compared to other challenges I would say it's extensively covered on the net with numerous photos.

Yes David, I am drinking wine from a bottle.

[Lightning Mate]

Yes David, I am drinking wine from a bottle.

Via a glass I hope.:E

[Noyade]

Clue.

The first cross-Channel flight...

[skytrain10]

The Bleriot V?

[Noyade]

Via a glass I hope.http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/evil.gif No. Wipe the top and pass the bottle round...

The Bleriot V? :ok: G'day Ken, how are ya? Control is yours...

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/9896/20268590.jpg (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/20268590.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Hi Graeme....I'm well thanks mate. Hope all is well down there in the colonies?

Stand-by gents.....

[RegDep]

Why are they always so easy afterwards..... :sad:

[Noyade]

Hope all is well down there in the colonies?All good mate :ok: However after our recent Federal election, no-one's running the country...sound familiar?

(Passes bottle to wife)

[Lightning Mate]

(Passes bottle to wife)

Strewth - you're not still on the first are you?

[Noyade]

Strewth - you're not still on the first are you?

Yeah...the bitch dropped the first bottle...

:):)

[Lightning Mate]

Hope she doesn't look at this thread or that's you in the doghouse!

[skytrain10]

no-one's running the country...sound familiar?Sounds like a labour government to me!

Glad all is well with you.

Challenge withdrawn as had it before....so Open House.

[Noyade]

I'm always in the doghouse mate. She thinks I'm a nerd identifying planes!

We're not nerds, are we?! We're intellectuals!

Ken..is it a Farman project?

[skytrain10]

Gents, sorry disregard my last. Just realised we'd had it before.

Have to go out soon so I'll declare Open House.

[Noyade]

Not a problem Ken. Australia is here to help...


http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/8295/blackz.png (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/blackz.png/)

[skytrain10]

Is it a Spot the Difference competition?!

[Noyade]

Is it a Spot the Difference competition?!

Internet provider problems tonight mate. Had to re-boot and thought the image didn't uptake...Australian internet service...what can I say?

[Noyade]

By the way Ken, what was your image?

[Noyade]

Mine's Japanese...

[skytrain10]

By the way Ken, what was your image?

You were in the right country Graeme. It was the Ernoul-Dewoitine FATMA monoplane of 1922. Only realised after posting that we had had it earlier in the year....one of David's challenges.

[Noyade]

one of David's challenges. Ahh...David. Always causing problems.

Another clue Ken?

First name of an actress famous for singing "somewhere over the rainbow"...

[skytrain10]

Must be the Yokosuka D4Y "Judy" then?

Have to be Open House again if correct

[Noyade]

:ok: All yours mate!

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3963/rename6582641.jpg (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/rename6582641.jpg/)

Cheers
Graeme.

[Noyade]

Have to be Open House again if correct Correct Ken but I'm disappointed mate...what's with the imageless situation? Not like you? :=:)

Here's a shocker...don't show David. Too late in the evening for pen and paper...

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1346/itried.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/itried.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Bleriot VI Libellule 1907

OPEN HOUSE

Edit: And if the pattern holds, after Bleriot VII comes De Pischoff tractor biplane

[skytrain10]

Hi mate...currently out and using my mobile - takes too long to upload pics, besides I keep loosing the signal!

[Lightning Mate]

don't show David

If I hadn't been in class that one would have been dead in one minute.

I had it lined up.

[Noyade]

And if the pattern holdsI didn't think you'd look back to Bleriot! :)

currently out and using my mobileAhh...I see!

Bleriot VI Libellule 1907Yep...:ok: Nice one !

[Lightning Mate]

Did someone say Open House?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat361.jpg

And if the pattern holds, after Bleriot VII comes De Pischoff tractor biplane

Well now.....

[RegDep]

I didn't think you'd look back to Bleriot!


I didn't. But this picture was next from the V, so I couldn't help. It just jumped at me.

[Lightning Mate]

Oi Noyade,

You still standing up? :E

[Noyade]

Yep, but not for long. I'll delete my small plane image challenge above and go with yours.

[Noyade]

French Morane of some description?

[Lightning Mate]

I'll delete my small plane image challenge above and go with yours.

Sorry Mate, I mis-read your response.

I'll delete mine.

[Noyade]

I'll delete mine. No, keep yours as I'm heading to bed shortly...

[RegDep]

Is the plane with Bristol Tractor tail now in or out? :confused:

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like it's too late now to delete.

Tell you wot - next time I win one I'll donate it to you.

Owzatt?

It's not a Morane.

[Noyade]

Give him hell RegDep! :)

Cheers. Catch ya later!

[Lightning Mate]

Sleep well Mate.