Silhouette challenge

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

lol, thanks for your support :O

This one I do know, its the Lockheed L.133 of 1939. an unfortunate aberration for those of us who like the think that the USA never thought of Jets until we showed them how :)

[Noyade]

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4463/lastscan9739486.jpg (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/lastscan9739486.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Yes HD.

They also knew about the aerodynamic advantages of a canard system.

The Lockheed it is.

You have the thread. :ok:

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Thank you. Nice pic too Graeme! I do believe the wings of the P-80 were adapted from this design though so it did not go completely to waste.

I think this one is probably going to be incredibly easy, but its my first go at turning a photo into a silhouette. if it works I'll try harder in future :)


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/WtMiller/ttttt.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

"but its my first go at turning a photo into a silhouette"

Everyone now seems to be getting better at this....

Nice one.

[Noyade]

first go at turning a photo into a silhouette

I like it. I'll like it even better if I'm correct...Armstrong Whitworth AW.23?

[Lightning Mate]

Graeme, check inbox.

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Correct! you have control.:ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks mate!

What would you like, British project, American project, Luft 46' or a really oddball Homebuilt/Kit-plane?

[Lightning Mate]

Luft 46 pleez.............

[Noyade]

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1563/pdwn.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/pdwn.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Not voss you were expecting?

[Lightning Mate]

.........:mad:

No Mate, but it could be the B&V P197.

[Noyade]

Ha! Short and sweet, I love it! Back to you David. I'm out. I'll catch up with you guys another day. Cheers. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Fast-moving thread today!

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat170.jpg

[skytrain10]

Junkers Ju.287 V1?

[Lightning Mate]

Now it's moving even faster!

All yours mate. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks LM.....lets try this:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/SC92.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Looks Fokker-ish.

[skytrain10]

Not a Fokker LM

[Walter-Karl]

Silhouette #6238 and photo #6241

I think that for the record we should call this heli by its true name, the Clybouw CW-205 (sometimes CW-105F) . It was designed and built (in the mid-1970s) in BELGIUM by Willie Clybouw. The role of Vortech is that it started offering the type for amateur construction during the 2000s.
As far as I know the prototype in Belgium never really flew.

[Lightning Mate]

Blimey WK !

You are becoming the consultant to the thread. ;);)

LOL LM

[Lightning Mate]

Hello skytrain.

This one's a bugger innit.

[skytrain10]

Certainly seems to be!

Not American, so don't waste your time going through Aerofiles.

[Lightning Mate]

Already done that mate.

Or Flight archives....

[skytrain10]

Just done a cursory search and I can't find any pictures or 3-views in Flight. It does get mentioned in the text of one issue at least.

[SincoTC]

Evening Skytrain,

I see what looks like a wing-fold line, so is it the Morane-Sulnier MS-560?

The photo of the prototype I found doesn't seem to show this fold line and a photo of one with wings folded looks like the wider two seat 570, so it may be one of the later single seat variants 561-564?

[skytrain10]

Evening SincoTC.

You've got it :ok: its the MS.560 folding wing single seat trainer of 1945. Just the one aircraft produced, which is pictured below. The reference in Flight was its appearance at the 1946 Paris Air Salon.

(although the caption on the picture shows MS.530, F-WBBB is recorded as an MS.560 on the French register)

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/ms560.jpg

You have the con.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Skytrain,

I'll have to declare Open House again as I'm offline in half an hour and can't "play" again tomorrow afternoon/evening! :sad:

[Lightning Mate]

Fighter pilots lurk everywhere, with weapons armed in case of trouble:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat171.jpg

[skytrain10]

Sikorsky S-38 (aka C-6)?

[SincoTC]

Bugger; that was quick, went for a pee and the next ones come and gone before I got back!!! :)

[Lightning Mate]

...innell tryingskrain.

Please take the stage mate. :ok:

"Bugger; that was quick, went for a pee and the next ones come and gone before I got back!!!"

get a bigger bladder mate...On second thoughts, the prune clock says it was five minutes, so it certainly isn't a small one.

Mind you, it could be sumfin' else innit......

[skytrain10]

Thanks LM....here's another:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/sc93.jpg

Off for my dinner now, so you've got an hour! I'm guessing it will go much quicker!

[SincoTC]

"Mind you, it could be sumfin' else innit......"

The flow rate is fine thanks LM, but it was very full and I did take a phone call on the way back. Gotta go soon (home that is). Good hunting! :ok:

[SincoTC]

I was almost gone when I remembered seeing something like that!

I think it's the Polish PWS-54 of 1933.

I am definately off now, so Open House please if correct.

[skytrain10]

Well done Sinco, it is the PWS-54 from Poland.

Open house has been declared

[seacue]

Re: #6285

That S-38 Sikorsky and a single-engined mate featured in Martin and Osa Johnson's book Wings over Africa, printed before WW2. Johnson flew one of the planes on the safari and "Woody" Quesada was the paid pilot and aviation expert who flew the other. Elwood Quesada went on to be a USAF general and first head of the US FAA.
Elwood Richard Quesada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elwood_Richard_Quesada)
Martin and Osa Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_and_Osa_Johnson)

[Ridge Runner]

OH? How about this then?http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/PPrune300110A.jpg
Not really a silhouette but the best I can do while on the road.. RR

[Noyade]

Is this the 'amazing' Jona J-6 Sesquiplane with the tilting upper wing?

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8008/jonac.jpg (http://img63.imageshack.us/i/jonac.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

Wow, a weird one but no, its not that. RR

[skytrain10]

Struggling for ideas on this one....just been looking at a 3-view of the Jona J6....its so like the Jona, so I'm wondering if there is some connection...is it a Magni of some description...or even Italian come to that?

[SincoTC]

Just a quick look in at lunchtime.

I agree with Skytrain, it is very like the Jona and I wonder if, when RR said that it wasn't the "wobbly wing" J6, he was correct in that his silhouette clearly shows struts supporting the upper wing and an absence of the "pivot pylon". Also there is no outer cowling (Townend-ring) on the engine. So could it be the "fixed wing" J6S ?

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/other2/j6/j6-3.jpg

I was not happy with appearance of the lower wing in the link I posted (I now think it's just unbolted), so before I go home I've had another poke around and found these drawings:

Jona J6 S – Manuale d’uso e manutenzione (http://www.alireggiane.com/manuali-f19/jona-j6-s-manuale-duso-e-manutenzione-t532.htm)

Note that the Manual's Title is Jona 6-S (without the J)

Thanks for the support LM

Open House please if correct as I'm off fairly soon.

[Lightning Mate]

Well chaps,

In my humble opinion TC just has to be correct. There ain't anything like it anywhere.:\

[Lightning Mate]

:zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz:

[SincoTC]

Just shutting down and had to have another look as I thought RR wouldn't be that pedantic and I found the photo he posted and it's titled the Magni J.6-S

Another push in the right direction, thanks Skytrain and sorry! :ok:

Really off home now, quiet innit!! Going, going, gone, Open House please.

Thanks LM, I guess you saw the page too before I pulled the link, but I thought it it looked too good a source to spoil RR's fun, but we know now don't we !! :) (I expect you already knew about the site, but I didn't)

[Lightning Mate]

Excellent shooting TC.

Last edited by SincoTC : Today at 19:16. Reason: Removed the link

Too late - "Fox 3"

Looks like skytrain was getting very close.

[Lightning Mate]

Whilst we wait, this pic is called Movin, and was a long long time before Photoshop and computers. 35mm film SLR. It's a genuine pic. Should have been called :mad: shiftin'

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/movin-1.jpg

[skytrain10]

Mmm, but the Magni J6S is listed under other references as the Jona J6S. The aircraft s/n MM313 is listed as a Jona J6 in my source, and the other serials referred to are listed as Jona J6S's. Anyway, I guess we wait for RR to confirm but (and no offence Sinco), I personally think Noyade should be awared this one.

Here is one reference on the net:
Google Translate (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.airwar.ru/enc/other2/j6.html&ei=aNJpS4rNLtS5jAeTjvS7CQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAwQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djona%2Bj%2B6%2Bairwar.ru%26hl%3Den%26client%3Df irefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26hs%3DdN6)

[Ridge Runner]

Boys, boys... I am so sorry. I've been travelling and just didn't have the opportunity to get on to SC! Yes, I should have cancelled a meeting or two, I know that now!!!!

"Is this the 'amazing' Jona J-6 Sesquiplane with the tilting upper wing?" I guess you're right mate. I have it as the Magni J.6-S but I think we're all agreed that it was one and the same machine...

Over to you Graeme

[Noyade]

Thanks Martin.

New one...

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3430/qwer9260884.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/qwer9260884.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

The beer is American....

[skytrain10]

I have seen this somewhere, but can't think where!!! :ugh:

The aircraft behind marked Special is interesting...what looks like a swept parasol wing?

[Noyade]

The beer is American.... The aircraft behind marked Special Impressive powers of observation and magnification skills! Never noticed, I was too busy trying not to go over the lines with the paintbrush!

It is American. (Nice shot of the Lightning mate. Now there's a special name for that shock wave effect due to water vapour, isn't there?)

Hi Ken. I can't discern if the background plane says "Spirit" or "Special"? No idea what that is.

Here's a photographic clue. The name is also on the side so maybe your high powered magnifier can read it. :)

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2259/kenclue.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/kenclue.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Got another clue. Try this...

Two words. First word..a type of wood purportedly used in the world's largest flying-boat (although I have read that this is a myth?). Second word...a type of motor car. An enclosed two-door type with only one or two seats.

[Lightning Mate]

"Now there's a special name for that shock wave effect due to water vapour, isn't there?"

It's the Prandtl-Glauert expansion rule. :)

Magnifier not work due to lo-res image. :confused:

[Lightning Mate]

Spruce Coupe

[Noyade]

Spruce Coupe

:ok: All your mate!

It's the Prandtl-Glauert expansion rule.

Thanks!

Night.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7100/image03832888.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/image03832888.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

You busy skytrain?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat172.jpg

[skytrain10]

Sorry, been busy on the phone....the Lamson Air Tractor I believe. I wonder what made you find that!?

[Lightning Mate]

Can't remember what made me find that!

You have control. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Here a non-agricultural aircraft!

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/SC95.jpg

[MReyn24050]

I have updated the list of challenges published to date up to and including the Spruce Coupe.
Mel

[Lightning Mate]

Heartfelt thanks Mel.

We would all like to see more of you on this thread.

I haven't forgotten April 2nd....

[skytrain10]

Well done Mel, appreciated as ever.

And yes, if I my echo Lightning Mate's comment, it would be good to see more of you...so to speak!

[Lightning Mate]

May I assume this aeroplane has a P&W PT6?

[skytrain10]

LM, never assume! No its not a P&W engine....its a Garrett (now Honeywell) TPE.331.

[Lightning Mate]

Kind of you.

Comp Air 9?

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/3350292217_3fbb5a1f22.jpg

[skytrain10]

Comp Air 9 it is:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/CompAir9.jpg

Your turn

[MReyn24050]

Thanks LM and Skytrain10. It takes my time keeping up with you guys.
Mel :)

[skytrain10]

We seem to be the only ones out to play today!

[Ridge Runner]

I'm here! RR

[Lightning Mate]

"We seem to be the only ones out to play today!"

Aren't we just. Oh, hello RR. Standby...

[Lightning Mate]

Back in time then:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat173.jpg

[SincoTC]

Hi LM,

That tailplane shape makes me think it's an Austin Osprey Triplane (AFT3) ?

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, it's very distinctive... but distinctive of what?! You may well be right.. I've no idea... RR

Actually I think it is, the image coming from aviastar which LM has cunningly edited and tilted to avoid us remembering the profile so easily after surfing the net!

[Lightning Mate]

"the image coming from aviastar which LM has cunningly editted and tilted to avoid us remembering te profile so easily after surfing the net!"

Yep!

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/austin_aft-3.jpg

Didn't take TC long though did it!

Lights...Music....take the stage, you're on. :D

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM,

I found the image you just posted on Austin Memories. Your earlier "atmospheric" Lightning shot was great and brought back fond memories of the good old SBAC shows where the passes were LOW and fast :ok:

Unfortunately, as usual I'm off in half an hour 'till this time tomorrow, so it'll have to be Open House again!

[SincoTC]

Just taking a moment to see what happened overnight. Re Post 6304, No offence taken Skytrain, I only felt confident because RR had rejected Graeme's offering early in the day, and then just before I left, I found the actual challenge photo and cut and pasted it's title (which is usually a "cincher"), I did originally post a link, then had second thoughts and removed it so as to not blow RR's good looking source of challenges. It was only up for a minute or so but LM was on QRA and spotted it before it went and seemed equally convinced.

I was half expecting RR to give it to you as you had mentioned Magni much earlier and its whole identity did seem a bit of a grey area.

Anyway, speaking for myself, were only doing this for a bit of fun and I've got no quibbles at all with RR's decision.

[Lightning Mate]

An open house with no response !!!!!

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat116.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

"Your earlier "atmospheric" Lightning shot was great and brought back fond memories of the good old SBAC shows where the passes were LOW and fast"

Got the T-shirt mate.....

Wannanother?

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

looks boulton paul-like to me but im at work with no access to any referance material so im going to take a plunge on the Partridge ??

[Noyade]

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7410/yepco.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/yepco.jpg/)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

wow thanks graeme. Now you,ve posted that ive impressed myself. What a recall!. When confirmation comes its OH

[Lightning Mate]

Hi Wayne !!!!!!

Super shot. The BP Partridge it is. The thread has moved well today innit!

Your go HD....

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

I declared open house cos I was at work. But now I'm home again.......

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/WtMiller/Image4-5.jpg

[Noyade]

Howdy Wayne!

This is from the movie "Transformers" where the B-2 bomber transforms into a fricken big fighter. You can make the pre-transforming origins of the B-2 visible using my X-ray programme...

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9653/image45.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/image45.jpg/)









:)

[skytrain10]

Looks like this:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/BAE.jpg
Found in connection with Korea's AFX programme. Like a B-2 meets F-117 meets F-22!

Kind of like Noyade's description!

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

You have it of course, skytrain :D

Graeme, I like how the B-2 planform fits so bloody well!

[skytrain10]

Thanks HD. It was a little unclear from what I found as to whether this was a genuine proposal by BAe or just advertising. If the former did it have a designation?

Lets see how this one does:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc94.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

skytrains' image did indeed have a name and was a genuine proposal.

As the illustration shows, its' name was Replica.

(LM is ex-BAe)

[skytrain10]

Thanks LM...just seemed a strange name...not quite as dynamic as "Hawk" or "Harrier". Nice to see I wasn't the only one on SC who worked for BAe (albeit many years ago).

[drawbarz]

is it the Wolf W-11 Boredom Fighter?

John

[skytrain10]

Got it in one John. :ok:. A kit plane dating from 1979, made to look like an old biplane fighter.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/BoredomFighter.jpg

Over to you.

[drawbarz]

Thanks Skytrain

unfortunately I'm at work at the moment and then heading off for a lovely drive round the M25 from Watford to Egham then back to Stevenage. So I'm afraid I'll have to declare open house...

John

[Lightning Mate]

John has declared OH so here's an easy one whilst somebody conjures up a more inspiring one:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat174.jpg

[diesel addict]

Looks a bit like a Minimoa - remember the non-flying flying scale one from Kiel Kraft ??If correct OH.

[skytrain10]

Diesel addict...long time no hear. The tail doesn't look right for a Minimoa from pics I've seen, but there may well have been some variations. Kiel Kraft...that takes me back a few (tens of) years!

LM, you have clearly been spending too much time around Noyade....if this is an easy one then I'm not looking forward to a tough one. In fairness not my area at all so for all I know it is easy! I'll leave this one to those who know. Perhaps Diesel addict has nailed it?

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening/morning gentlemen.

Cryptic clues:

In order to win this challenge one must especially look at perhaps its' land of origin.

;)

[Lightning Mate]

Now try it skytrain.....

[sablatnic]

Could be Sep IS1

[sablatnic]

Or could it be a IS1 Sep.

[Lightning Mate]

In order to win this challenge one must especially look at perhaps its' land of origin.

1985. The Polish IS-1 Sep.

Great call sablatnic, and welcome back. :ok:

Your turn.

[sablatnic]

Thanks LM.
Found this one. Might be too easy, but, here goes.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac93/sablatnic/Whatsits/What20100130abc.jpg

[Kieron Kirk]

Hawker P.1128.

Ciarain

[sablatnic]

That's the one, and one of it's names. Like Bizz-Hunter and Hawker Hunter Jet Transport.

Your controls.

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac93/sablatnic/Whatsits/capture_01022010_195817.jpg

[Kieron Kirk]

As I do not have a suitable image, open house.

Ciarain

[Noyade]

Liked it, painted it, but no idea if it's on the net...I'll check that later. :)

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5922/ngf2.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/ngf2.jpg/)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

I also know the Hawker P1128 as the Huntsman, but I dont know where I got that name from.

Deffo seen that one before graeme, if only I could remember what it was!!

I think I saw it in a Jane's

[Walter-Karl]

Noyade, looks suspiciously much like the Sawyer Skyjacker II (except for the small extensions behind the fins)

[Lightning Mate]

It is also very similar to the Facetmobile.

....and I've been at this for four hours now Graeme!

[Noyade]

but no idea if it's on the netHad a look, but couldn't find a photo. Oh well. :)

think I saw it in a Jane's I think I found three editions from the '70s describing it.

and I've been at this for four hours now Graeme!While at work?! There goes your Workplace Performance Appraisal! :=

Noyade, looks suspiciously much like the Sawyer Skyjacker IIMate, what can I say? You and Sinco never cease to amaze me in finding the bizarre and obscure. It is the Sawyer Skyjacker II from 1975. Thanks for getting me out of a tough spot, your control. :ok:

(except for the small extensions behind the fins) A tradesman shouldn't blame his tools but my mouse was very uncooperative with this one. I had trouble with the nose (looks like there's a nipple) and the wheels, however those extensions are visible in the original, but not in the second photo...

Cheers.

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/9694/ngf.jpg (http://img686.imageshack.us/i/ngf.jpg/)
http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3504/sawyerskyjackerii.jpg (http://img686.imageshack.us/i/sawyerskyjackerii.jpg/)

[sablatnic]

Found this, but Walter Karl beat me to it. Again.
Popular Science - Google Bøger (http://books.google.dk/books?id=tQAAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=Sawyer+Skyjacker+nasa&source=bl&ots=_BIIaFAN1J&sig=kg94KFDaCILr0EzEmb9F_hNV--8&hl=da&ei=Sd5tS4GGDdCS-gat2vH4Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Sawyer%20Skyjacker%20nasa&f=false)

[Lightning Mate]

"however those extensions are visible in the original, but not in the second photo..."

That's because they are objects (buildings?) on the ground innit...! ;)

[Noyade]

Found this,

"Mate, what can I say? You, Walter, and Sinco never cease to amaze me in finding the bizarre and obscure." :ok:

[Noyade]

That's because they are objects (buildings?) on the ground innit...! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wink2.gifOh sh!t. Are they? Really?

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2729/escape5382103.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/escape5382103.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Yep, 'fraid so Mate. :\

[Noyade]

What, you magnified them big time and they're buildings? Can you show me?

[Lightning Mate]

They're different shapes as well.

Can't do better than this with the resolution of the original:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/ngf.jpg

[Noyade]

Oh for chrissake, what are the chances of that happening at the exact moment the camera was clicked!?

(Muffled voice from escape tunnel)...It's very dark in here! Bye!

[sablatnic]

Could the "things" be weights, to move the CG aft?

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

I thought they might be objects on the ground, but I didn't like to say what with Graeme going to all the the trouble of colouring them in an' all :)


Are we having another silhouette at all?

[Lightning Mate]

Doesn't look like it.

Methinks we might have to amend the unwritten rules.....

:zzz::zzz::zzz:

[sablatnic]

In two hours it is 24 hours without sound from Walter Karl.
The "Things" are here too, but smaller.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac93/sablatnic/Whatsits/capture_07022010_135925.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Oh OK then.

I personally feel that if someone wins a challenge and does not respond within 12 hours, we should go open house.

If we don't then the thread stalls and we all get :bored:.

In any case, at 24 hours we'll have to.

[skytrain10]

Good afternoon

Under the "unwritten" rules we wait 24 hrs from the time Noyade confirmed WK's guess, so that would be until 2043 this evening. I personally think (and I know I have said this before) that we should reduce the time....initially I said 12 hrs, which is perhaps a little short, particularly when its overnight, however 18 hrs would not (in my book) be unreasonable.

Thoughts anyone?

Ken

[Lightning Mate]

Agreed Ken.

Please bear in mind that the Prune clock is often an hour adrift, although right now it seems to be correct on GMT.

David (lurking)

[Lightning Mate]

"Under the "unwritten" rules we wait 24 hrs from the time Noyade confirmed WK's guess, so that would be until 2043 this evening"

I think it should be from the time the winner posts his answer. It is encumbent upon the winner to regularly check.

This, of course, assumes that the original poster does the same. Most of us do just that....

So then....is it 2043 or 1500?

[skytrain10]

1500 sounds good....oh, look at the time!

In fairness with the time differences involved, particularly as we have followers in Australia and western Canada it is not always possible for the encumbent to check things quickly. I just think 18 hrs from confirmation is a good time frame to work to, particularly as I suspect a lot of followers are working and cannot always monitor whats going on on a hour by hour basis.

[Lightning Mate]

Alright then Mate.

2043 it is.

GPS receiver on......

[skytrain10]

????????????:confused:

[Lightning Mate]

????????????http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/confused.gif

Very accurate timing mate. Have dialled in an alert message....

By the way, who's the pratt in this pic?

"Hello everyone. My name is Captain Smiley-Bigpratt"

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/virgin-cabin-crew.jpg

[skytrain10]

2043 + 18 = 1443, or are we sticking to 24 hrs then?

I was at Gatwick when Virgin started...those were the days!

I had heard that Virgin had used their own crew for this ad.....including Captain Iamaright Pratt!!

[Lightning Mate]

2043 Gmt.....

[Walter-Karl]

I am very very sorry for holding up the forum.
Could not react earlier.
Thanks for the additional photos and explanations on the flying square.

Open House please (which I think is already in effect)

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat177.jpg

[skytrain10]

Have you been looking at gliders again?

[Lightning Mate]

Nope. Glider?

A project which got to mock-up stage with a piston engine.

[skytrain10]

Interesting. A pusher mounted on top of the fuselage? Looks like it was designed for endurance and/or high altitude work? Just fishing really!

[Lightning Mate]

A puller prop. Designed for fast flight. 1942?

[Noyade]

I tried magnifying the 'blackness' looking for brush strokes and any tell-tale signs of the original outline and so I had my head pressed against the monitor for a closer look when my wife caught me. She called me an idiot. I'm not an idiot, am I? Tell me you all do this? Right!? :\

It didn't help anyway. It looks an odd design for 1942? I tried filling in the gaps again and the tail reminded me of the Albatross so maybe a De Havilland design?

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/88/wossat177.jpg (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/wossat177.jpg/)
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/88/wossat177.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/wossat177.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Would this be one of the variations of the Davis Manta aircraft?

[skytrain10]

Found this 2 view:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/DavisManta.png

Don't worry Graeme, my wife has the same opinion (of me that is!). I do exactly the same.

Sadly I had wandered off on the wrong track on this one...couldn't see a prop/spinner at the front so assumed the engine was somewhere hidden in the blackness. Your modifications made me think again!

[Lightning Mate]

"I tried magnifying the 'blackness' looking for brush strokes and any tell-tale signs of the original outline..."

Not once it's been through Photoshop you won't. ;)

Here's a photo of the one-off mock-up:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Manta.jpg

Designed by David R. Davis as a long range fighter, and appeared in 'Flight' in 1942. It's obvious why he called it the Manta.

Good shooting skytrain - the floor is all yours. :D

[skytrain10]

Thanks LM. Interesting machine. For all its streamlining the cockpit looks a little like it was added on as an afterthought!

My turn:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/sc96.jpg

[carson1934]

A projected unbuilt version of the SIPA-300?
carson

[skytrain10]

Hi Carson, good to see you are on line ok. Unfortunately no, this isn't a SIPA.

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

is it anything to with Procaer? Maybe linked to the F15

[skytrain10]

HD, no connection with Procaer, and not an Italian, or French, design.

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

does it have a link with the Hispano HA-300?

[Lightning Mate]

Been away all day.

So, what it seems:

centrifugal turbojet (ages it a bit)
fixed main gear
retractable nose gear (but the donk seems in the way, unless it retracts forwards)

The latter two cannot go together.....:confused:

[skytrain10]

HD, not Hispano

LM, not sure about the gear and I don't have any reference to it in my source. I'll check and see what I can find out.

[Lightning Mate]

So far then I'm punting east European or Scandinavian.

[skytrain10]

Mmm, perhaps not a good punt!

[skytrain10]

LM, front wheel retracts forward into that bulge under the nose. Shown in that position on the front view.

[drawbarz]

It seems to have the wing, tailplane and fin/rudder from the Fokker S-11 Instructor but I can't find any reference to it anywhere...:bored:

John

[skytrain10]

John...there is a good reason for that! It is a Fokker design.

Now, can anyone come up with a model number?

[skytrain10]

Well I guess this one has everyone stumped?

Not much I can give in terms of clues...its a Fokker project and has a project number P-XXX. It was a development from the S-11 and S-12 trainers. There is mention of it on the internet including the 3-view.

I'll leave it a little longer but I have to go out later, so if no one comes up with it by then I'll identify it.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Ken.

Methinks "stumped" in an understatement!

[skytrain10]

Off out now, so here is the 3-view thats on the web:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Fo.jpg

Official designation was Fokker P.280.

Drawbarz, you were obviously the nearest, but I think it should be Open House......so its Open House guys!

[Lightning Mate]

Blimey! Cracking post Ken.

I seem to be the only one out to play, so Ill grab this opportunity:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat178.jpg

...and I still can't find the Fokker!

[MReyn24050]

Wild guess. Savio Marchetti S.M.95 possibly?

[Lightning Mate]

Oh, hello Mel.

Sorry it isn't.

[drawbarz]

Curtiss C-46D Commando maybe?

John

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry John, but no,

[one11]

If not the C-46, what about its forebear the CW-20 ?

[Lightning Mate]

Nice one mate.

The Curtiss-Wright C20 "St. Louis".

All yours.:ok:

[one11]

Back to drawings and the weird and wonderful.......

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune0902.jpg

[skytrain10]

Not sure on the designation, but is this the Pemberton-Billing "Slip Wing" project for a long range bomber?

[Lightning Mate]

BP37 Slipwing?

oops - should have gone to Specsavers.....

[skytrain10]

I think its the PB.49 although I have now found a 3-view which refers to the lower component as the PB.29?

[Lightning Mate]

I think the '29' is an old typo mate.

[one11]

Not sure on the designation, but is this the Pemberton-Billing "Slip Wing" project for a long range bomber?

It is and like everybody else I am confused by what, if any was its correct designation. Sort of a Maia/Mercury composite in reverse with the top bit helping the bottom bit get off the ground, rather than vice versa.

Over to you Skytrain10

[skytrain10]

Thanks one11. An interesting concept...the man was definitely not short of ideas!

Here's an easy one for you:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/SC97.jpg

[SincoTC]

Evening Skytrain

I've been away for a few days and just having a quick look before I have to leave and I'm late already! Is it a Stearman 6 Cloudboy?

In the unlikely event of it being correct, then Open House please as I'll be offline 'til tomorrow evening.

[skytrain10]

Evening Sinco...not a Stearman 6 unfortunately. Right country though.

[sablatnic]

I thought Laird Swallow, but it seems to be something else. Wonder what!!?!

[skytrain10]

Sablatnic....care to expand on that? Its not the Laird Swallow, but you are very close!

[drawbarz]

is it the Swallow Aircraft Manufacturing Company 'New Swallow'...

[skytrain10]

Hi John...not the New Swallow, but it is a Swallow Airplane Co produced aircraft from 1927. They made lots of them. You are almost there!

[drawbarz]

the Swallow TP with the OX5 engine is the only other one I have info on...

[skytrain10]

Not the Swallow TP John. That came out 2 years after this. The engine is the same as the TP and this particular Swallow is named after the engine. Short of giving the answer, thats about as much as I can say!!

[drawbarz]

the OX-5 Swallow then maybe :)

John

[skytrain10]

You've got it:D. Well done. It is the Swallow OX-5. They made 250 of them and a few survive today (I've seen a few myself in the US):

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/SwallowOX-5.jpg

You have control

[drawbarz]

Thanks...

I haven't anything to post at the moment. Finding something new is becoming more challenging by the hour let alone the day.

So may i declare open house for the time being...

Regards

John

[Lightning Mate]

Agreed. The thread is becoming more devious:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat176.jpg

[skytrain10]

Morning LM....Urban Air UFM-13 Lambada?

[Lightning Mate]

Sure is:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Lambada.jpg

The thread is all yours. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks David. Unfortunately work commitments mean I must decalre "Open House"

[Lightning Mate]

Oh dear.

I don't wish to appear a hog, but nobody else seems to be around:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat180.jpg

[SincoTC]

Hi LM,

Five minutes to go on lunch break! Is it the Supermarine S.23/47 ?

Usual caveats (OH) if correct.

TC

That was a Typo, should have said "Is it the Supermarine S.24/37 ?" Habit cos 23/47 is my birthday!!

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry TC.

Not that one.

[Lightning Mate]

Then your and my birthdays must be very close (I'm 16-04-47)

Still not the aeroplane though. :)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

hi guys, i know that one. Its the Supermarine type 322 Dumbo, the only plane named after a Disney character?

[Lightning Mate]

Nicely done HD. :ok:

Please take the floor.

[SincoTC]

Hi LM, it's coffee time here, I'm 23/03/47 and twas bloody cold then too!

I wasn't too far off though with my quick look, seems like I found the right one but it was titled with the specification number and not the type number. I found this after I corrected my typo but was too busy to follow it up. :* Well done HD

Supermarine 322 (S.24/37) - torpedo-bomber (http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/supermarine_dumbo.php)

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks TC.

The problem with Air Ministry spec numbers is that there would have been more than one design submitted to that spec.

You were so, so close.....

LM

[SincoTC]

"You were so, so close....." This is the page I found

Supermarine S.24/37 - torpedo/dive bomber (http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/supermarine_s24-37.php)

It's my own stupid fault, I should have recognised from the format that it was a general specification, but we've got a TV crew here filming and I only had a few minutes to play, it's been sodding hectic, they've gone now but there's nothing to play with :ugh:

Never mind though, it's all good fun :ok:

HD Many thanks for your generous offer, unfortunately I'm not in a position to submit challenges at the moment due to my rather short and widely spaced online times. In the circumstances it would be better for you to declare OH and post yourself if it's still open when you return.

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

if i may, i would like to hand control to TC.
firstly im at work for another 4 hours and secondly, TC clearly knew which plane it was and the whole area of air ministry spec versus name is a very cloudy issue.
lots of planes are known by spec as well as by type. Some, like the Gloster F5/34, are known ONLY By spec.

however if no pic is posted by the time i get home at 9.30, I do have one ready

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

where did you find my photo?

[Lightning Mate]

.......seemples....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/ET-1.jpg

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Made it home, here you go, should be quite easy really

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/WtMiller/Image1s.jpg

[Noyade]

AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-Kuo ? (Should there be a "U" in there somewhere?)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Not that Graeme, sorry.

[evansb]

Is it the Yak-130 ?

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

sorry, no. It looks very much like it though, except for around the engines. And no, its not the obvious Yak 130 lookalike either, cos its not italian

[evansb]

Chinese Hongdu Falcon L-15 Advanced Jet Trainer ?

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

bingo! Just as my break is ending too. I leave the thread in your hands :)

[evansb]

Thank you. Here is the next silhouette:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH100201-1.jpg

[skytrain10]

Evening all....away on a trip at present, but sat in my hotel room with little to do, thought I would take a look and see whats happening.

This looks to be the Makhonine Mak-123? If so it will have to be Open House.

[evansb]

skytrain10 is spot on. The aircraft had telescoping wings!

[Lightning Mate]

Forgive me, but what I don't understand is this. If one is away from home but can access the thread on the net, then one must be able to also access ones' image host server. Therefore, providing one has a stock of challenges lined up.....

I have previously posted several challenges from a remote position, but not this one for the night shift:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat182.jpg

[skytrain10]

I could very easily LM...but as I am travelling all day tomorrow it seems a little unfair to post and then not be able to respond.

[sablatnic]

DH Tiger Moth.

[sablatnic]

The DH 71 Tiger Moth, that is.

[Lightning Mate]

It is indeed.

The first Tiger Moth.

Your shot now sablatnic.

Nite nite.

[sablatnic]

Thanks. Have always liked the DH71 and the "keep it simple" concept.

Back to this:
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac93/sablatnic/Whatsits/What20100210.jpg

[sablatnic]

A hint.
It was an American project.

[Lightning Mate]

Am I correct in thinking its' role was to be anti-shipping?

[sablatnic]

Actually not. More like close support.

[evansb]

Is it the Martin "Mighty Midget" ?

[sablatnic]

That is the one. Quite small plane, actually. About the same size as the Gnat.
You have control.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac93/sablatnic/Whatsits/midget2.jpg

[evansb]

Thanks. Good challenge! The Mighty Midget looks like it would make a good platform for a contemporary tactical unmanned aircraft. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH100212A.gif

[evansb]

Clue: designed as an observation aircraft. First flew in October, 1932.

[skytrain10]

It looks like the Potez 392 (or 390) save for the addition of what looks like a lower wing (from its size I'm guessing its small, so a sesquiplane?), and it doesn't have the small window below the cockpit.

[skytrain10]

Found it, I think...the Potez 49 TOE?

[SincoTC]

I think that's the one Skytrain, the lower wing is detachable!

flying boat | monoplane | 1932 | 1189 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1932/1932%20-%201189.html?search=Potez) 390

[evansb]

skytrain10 is spot on:ok: Well done:D The Potez 49. The lower wing was detachable. As a biplane, it had a GTW of just over 3 tons. You have control.

[skytrain10]

Thanks evansb, a good challenge (and I suspect like me, everyone was stuck judging by the lack of guesses!). The clue certainly helped!

Here's one to think about....I'm guessing this won't last long?

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc98.jpg

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Well I thought it looked like a Russian rocket fighter and it rang a bell, and so went looking for something else entirely, but then stumbled by accident across the Florov 4302, which I was surprised to see was actually built!

[skytrain10]

Well done HD, it is the Florov 4302, and, as you say, it was built.

Over to you.

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Here is a distinctive outline;

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/WtMiller/Image2-10.jpg

[one11]

Curtiss XF15C-1 Prop /Jet hybrid with a licence built DH Goblin

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

That was polished off in double quick time, well done :ok:

tis all thine

[one11]

Keeping the thread rolling ..............

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1402.jpg

[Noyade]

Vought F6U-1 Pirate...?

[one11]

Of course.....can't expect anything actually built to last any longer. Over to you....

[Noyade]

Ta.

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1237/2largecp6.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/2largecp6.jpg/)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Does the fact that it seems to be carrying F4D Skyrays mean its a Douglas? Otherwise I would think it looks like Convair drew it.

I've never seen a picture but I know that Douglas designed a large bomber that was also able to carry the F4D, or the X-3 for some reason, and this project seems to fit that description, so, a complete stab in the dark, but I'll nominate the Douglas 1211 :confused:

[Noyade]

Douglas 1211

Done! :ok: Back to you!

The Douglas 1211-J Bomber Project - Aircraft of World War II - Warbird Forums (http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/post-war/douglas-1211-j-bomber-project-10072.html)

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Oh wow, wasn't expecting to get a hole in one. And now for something completely different.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/WtMiller/Image1s-1.jpg

[skytrain10]

Morning. The North American C100 Centuryliner project of 1964...?

[HarmoniousDragmaster]

Good morning to you too, and congratulations. Quite a run on one-guess-wonders we seem to be on, I'm sure you are about to change that skytrain :ok:

I wonder why they made it look as if the engines were on top of the wing in the plan view :confused:

[Lightning Mate]

Hi everyone. I've missed all the fun.

I wonder why they made it look as if the engines were on top of the wing in the plan view

Looking closely, the engine nacelle outline behind the wing leading edge is dashed, which I suppose indicates they are on the lower surface.

[skytrain10]

Thanks HD...it kind of reminded me of an airliner adaption of the McDonnell 220, particularly the tail:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/M220.jpg

Back to the weird and wonderful....will it be another one-hit wonder?

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc99.jpg

[skytrain10]

I was wondering what the McDonnell 220 would look like with 2 engines...I adjusted the pylons as well! Just need to reduce the wing sweep and you have a baby C100!

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/M220.jpg

[skytrain10]

Its a big square! You're clearly better at this than me.....! Mind you I did adjust the pylons in my version to look more like the C100. Make's a nice business jet...wonder if McDonnell thought about a 2 engine option?

Are you in need of a clue for the challenge?

In case readers are wondering why I sent this, it was in response to a previous post which has subsequently been withdrawn.

[Lightning Mate]

.....if you insist......

[Lightning Mate]

....even better with a bypass turbofan and more seats/windows.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/M220-1.jpg

"will it be another one-hit wonder"

clearly not.......