Silhouette challenge

[RegDep]

How about Preston Watson No.3 Biplane 1913?

Has to be Open House if correct , because I have been required to turn in......

[Lightning Mate]

ONE DAY YOU VILL BE SHOT!!!!!

How did you find it? :D:D

[Lightning Mate]

Apart from playing a blinder shot, RegDep has requested OPEN HOUSE.

Nacht Berlin. :zzz:

[RegDep]

How did you find it?

From my usual source of aircraft up to 1920. (Same picture there as in Regheat.) Only plausible left (after going from A thru W). From there to Breguet where it is silhouetted.

Good night, LM, it has been good to have you back from vacation (honestly).

:zzz:

[Lightning Mate]

Morning / morgen / evening. :)

No late night / late shift takers. Are you up RD, or wanna nice colour job?

[RegDep]

Good morning mate!

Sure I want to see a nice colour job :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Please standby then - I have intermittent internet dropout.

Here you go:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/turquoise-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

BTW, I'm still on holiday, but at home. Today might be the opportunity for a Photoshop tutorial.

[Noyade]

Hi mate!

Rutan Predator 480.....?

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/9504/predator480.jpg (http://img813.imageshack.us/i/predator480.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Evening mate. :)

It is indeed. :ok:

All yours.

[Noyade]

Photoshop tutorialI have my pencils, textas, pens, ruler and paper ready mate, lets go! :ok:

All yours.

Sadly I'm wearing a T-shirt - no sleeves...open house. :(

[Noyade]

However...I do have a photo of a jet. Built but not flown. Listed in Aerofiles, but no photos...anywhere (I think).

Interested?

[Lightning Mate]

Why not - go for it.

[Noyade]

OK then.

Ta-da....

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6497/hmmmmmj.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/i/hmmmmmj.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Looks unarmed to me.

A trainer design?

[Noyade]

Built but not flown.

Well according to Aerofiles, unlikely that it flew(?) but another source mentions "successful flight trials".

[Noyade]

A trainer design?

Reconnaissance and patrol. To be produced with 4 under-wing hardpoints.

[Lightning Mate]

Is there a canard hidden there?

[Noyade]

No canard.

[Lightning Mate]

No visible tail either, so it must be a tailless delta.

[Noyade]

Miniature Mirage....

[Lightning Mate]

AMA............????

Scrub that!

[Noyade]

Having trouble with PPRuNe....

The server at PPRuNe Forums - Professional Pilots Rumour Network (http://www.pprune.org) is taking too long to respond.

AMA?

Australian Medical Association.

[Lightning Mate]

Miniature Mirage....

I am trying to work out what you are saying there.....

BTW, did you know that I have flown an early Mirage?

[Noyade]

I am trying to work out what you are saying there.....

Just that it looks like a miniature Mirage jet.

I have flown an early Mirage

Outstanding! :)

I built one. 1973. Airfix.

[Lightning Mate]

So it's a tailless delta after all.

[Noyade]

Yeah...."Miniature Mirage"

[RegDep]

Hi Graeme, a project of a major player or some smaller entrepreneur like Baldwin ASP-XJ?

[Noyade]

G'day Reg!

smaller entrepreneur:ok:

[RegDep]

BALDWIN ASP-XJ (United States), AIRCRAFT - FIXED-WING - MILITARY


Comment In May 1988 Baldwin Aircraft International's ASP-XJ (Armed Surveillance and Patrol - Experimental Jet) two-seat all-composite jet surveillance and patrol aircraft was displayed at the Air/Space America 88 air show held at San Diego, California. Its first flight was scheduled to take place at Mojave, California on 15 July 1988, but was delayed by late delivery of cockpit multi-function displays. No more recent news of the aircraft's status has been received. As can be seen from the accompanying photograph, the ASP-XJ is of tail-less delta configuration similar in appearance to a Dassault Mirage III. The entire airframe is manufactured from composites, primarily Kevlar, with some boron, Nomex, graphite and S and E glass materials. The aircraft is said to be suitable for such roles as pilot training, military patrol and surveillance, or commercial use. First details of Baldwin Aircraft's project were revealed in the Autumn of 1984 when the prototype of a light ground attack fighter was said to be nearing completion. At that time the subsonic ASP-XJ was to have been powered by a General Electric CJ610-8A turbojet rated at 13.12 kN (2950 lb st). Other data included a wing span of 4.20 m (13 ft 9½ in) and a max T-O weight of 2041 kg (4500 lb). A single-seat supersonic version known as ASP-XJS was to be powered by a General Electric J85-GE-21 engine rated at 22.24 kN (5000 lb st) with afterburning, with max T-O weight of 3266 kg (7200 lb). Both variants were then said to feature fly by wire control systems and were to be equipped with four underwing stores hardpoints for the carriage of weapons or external fuel tanks.

Thats Jane's but no photo in web (?)

1988 | 2165 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1988/1988%20-%202165.html)

No photo :*

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/MirageIii.jpg

This may be it.

[Noyade]

BALDWIN ASP-XJ (United States) - Jane's All the World's Aircraft (http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-All-the-Worlds-Aircraft/BALDWIN-ASP-XJ-United-States.html)

Nicely done Reg! :ok:

Your Control.

[RegDep]

Picture text:

Baldwin Aviation – California?

In the 1989 ed. of Jane’s All the World’s Aircraft, there is a listing for a small aircraft called the ASP-XJ, built by a company (not sure) either called “Baldwin Aircraft” or “Baldwin Aviation”.

In a picture, the plane is a small, tail-less delta-winged, single jet. Imagine a cartoonishly shrunken Mirage III.

I’ve found no information anywhere else, and the company doesn’t appear in later ed.s of Janes.

My guess is that they just went bankrupt – but does anybody actually know what happened?

Baldwin Aircraft. In 1988 first displayed the prototype composites-built and two-seat ASP-XJ armed surveillance and patrol experimental jet.
It was only a prototype and never sold. No longer manufacturing aircraft.

Mirage Iii | The Book of Model Planes (http://www.thebookofmodelplanes.com/mirage-iii/)

NOW I am in trouble! Need some time to turn out something.... 30 min....

[Lightning Mate]

This may be it.

That one has a canard Reg.


....sleeve....sleeve....sleeve.....

[Lightning Mate]

Shall we talk amongst ourselves Graeme?

Wossa weather there? Bright blue day here but only 7C.

How is J?

I'm sitting at home all week on leave.

[RegDep]

That one has a canard Reg.

True, I may have been on false trails. This pic is probably a Mirage III and not connected. Just piece of internet pi$$ ?

[Lightning Mate]

Stop jabbering and get on with the next one!!!

[Noyade]

Weathers good mate. Summer finished.

How is J?

Over her shock. Relieved. Thanks for asking. :)

[Lightning Mate]

UK clocks move forward an hour at the end of this month, so we might be able to see more of you. :ok:

[Noyade]

we might be able to see more of you. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gifYeah it's been a poor effort on my part. Computer/modem problems. Hard to log on. Family concerns. Started an online course and that was a disaster...etc.

How's your family and health?

[Lightning Mate]

Everyone is fine thanks.

Son selling cars very nicely - moved a Bentley a couple of weeks ago, and a Mercedes SL350 yesterday. Nice bonuses!

I have real problems walking more than a hundred yards or so, but can make it if I walk very slowly.

I tested myself last week in Cornwall walking around The Eden Project.

Go Google mate - it's fantastic.

[Noyade]

Go Google mate - it's fantastic.

I did! Wow!

[Lightning Mate]

Also visited Trevor at his factory and we had a drink in our hotel when he finished work.

We didn't know it when we booked the hotel, but it was two miles from his work!

Reg is relegated to helicopters - far too slow for fighters. :E

[Lightning Mate]

Timed at 0957 GMT:


NOW I am in trouble! Need some time to turn out something.... 30 min....

Now 1027 - see wot I mean!!

[Noyade]

Also visited Trevor at his factory

Take any photos of the Stig Factory or no photos allowed?

drink in our hotel

So tell me, is the Stig a cheap drunk? :E

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2439/iconbeer.gif (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/iconbeer.gif/)

[Lightning Mate]

No mate, he's a very talented and articulate engineer who can operate a multi thousand dollar computer CAD programme.

The scene is set, the night is cold, the campfire is burning and the stars twinkle in the dark night sky...
Three hang-glider pilots, one from Australia, one from South Africa and the other from New Zealand, are sitting round a campfire near Ayers Rock, each embroiled with the bravado for which they are famous.
A night of tall tales begins....
Kiven, the kiwi says, "I must be the meanest, toughest heng glider dude there us. Why, just the other day, I linded in a field and scared a crocodile thet got loose from the swamp. Et ate sux men before I wrestled ut to the ground weth my bare hends end beat ut's bliddy 'ed un.
Jerry from South Africa typically can't stand to be bettered. "Well you guys, I lended orfter a 200 mile flight on a tiny treck, ind a fifteen foot Namibian desert snike slid out from under a rock and made a move for me. I grebbed thet borsted with my bare hinds and tore it's head orf ind sucked the poison down in one gulp. Ind I'm still here today".
Barry the Aussie remained silent, slowly poking the fire with his penis.

[Noyade]

You having any trouble with PPRuNe?

I keep getting an empty page when I try to refresh...

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5958/scr37025623714494.jpg (http://img850.imageshack.us/i/scr37025623714494.jpg/)

[RegDep]

NOW you are timing, not when I ask!

[http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/m-2.gif
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/m.gif

[Lightning Mate]

Look who's back Graeme!

You may have gone over page and missed my post 22300.

[Lightning Mate]

Mig 13........

[Noyade]

missed my post 22300.
Barry the Aussie remained silent, slowly poking the fire with his penis.No, I read it mate......;)

[RegDep]

Now who should be shot!

Yes, yes, forgot the file name, corrected it too late :*. This is what you get when accepting get-thereitis pressure :\.

Take her out, Navy man.

[Lightning Mate]

Yes, yes, forgot the file name, corrected it too late

I'm so dumb this morning I didn't look at that.

I had it lined up in my "ready to go" folder.

Anyone interested in an easy one since it's 2147 in NSW?

[Lightning Mate]

Take her out, Navy man.

Don't say that again mate!!!

[Noyade]

easy one

Love easy ones.....:)

Post away.

[RegDep]

Don't say that again mate!!!

Sorry mate. Never again. And I grant you a two-minute kill, too :ok: Two went to poster recognition and two to recognize the challenge.

[Lightning Mate]

.....saw-tooth leading edge produces a rams-horn vortex at high alpha, reducing spanwise flow and reducinig tip stall propensity.

....rabbit....rabbit....rabbit....

[Noyade]

Project mate?

[Lightning Mate]

Yep - wanna know where from?

[Noyade]

....rabbi....rabbi....rabbi....Israeli......?

[Noyade]

Yep - wanna know where from?Could it be.....Australian?

[Lightning Mate]

Nah mate - I've :mad: up again.

OPEN HOUSE

C'mon Graeme, we know that RD ain't got anything else ready!

[Noyade]

C'mon Graeme, we know that RD ain't got anything else ready!

BUT, time is on his side! :)

Do ya need another 30 min Reg? :)

[Lightning Mate]

No he doesn't! Get one up fast mate.

[Noyade]

If not...all I have on the PC is an old Gyrocopter...

[Lightning Mate]

Like Gyrocopters. :)

[Noyade]

No he doesn't! Get one up fast mate.

You know mate, you're starting to worry me...you sound like a silhouette junkie! :)

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9052/gyrob.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/gyrob.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Hey guys, so far I only know how to silhouette simple drawings. Photos I need to learn. So Graeme, a gyrocopter is a splendid idea.

[Noyade]

Photos I need to learn.

Pssst, Reg....seriously mate, do what Doug (one11) does....print it of, colour it in (felt-tip) and scan it. Quick...I think David is coming back...don't let him know i told you that. He gets upset with amateurs...:)

[RegDep]

1932 TsAGI 2-EA

[Noyade]

1932 TsAGI 2-EA

:ok:

Your control! Have you been colouring in as well as googling? Watchya got? :)

[Lightning Mate]

do what Doug (one11) does....print it of, colour it in (felt-tip) and scan it.

B..:mad:..s

I think that RD and I are going to have some serious e-mail discussions today. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

In 1985 thieves broke into the flying instructors office at the RAF Jaguar Conversion Unit and stole both books.

I was especially pissed off since I had not yet finished colouring one of them in.

Per Ardua...................

[RegDep]

Thanks Graeme!

Printing and scanning needs a permission from me Missus, because all gadgets are hers, and I, as a senile senior citizen, would break them. I bought my Photoshop with my mothers inheritance money, so that I can use ;).

I can do a quick standard one. I am looking forward to the flood of mails :ok:.

[Lightning Mate]

I can do a quick standard one. I am looking forward to the flood of mails

In bed then mate??? :E

[Noyade]

You laugh at at my techniques...but in the time you type I can turn the page, scan and blacken in a flash....

See.....

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/599/onemore.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/onemore.jpg/)

What was that....5 minutes?


;)

[Lightning Mate]

A WORTHY WINGMAN...............:ok::ok:

[Noyade]

Julie gets home from work in about 40 mins. If she finds me at the computer desk with the empty bottle...."Oh for Gods sake Greame, is this all you've been doing this evening!?"

Hurry guys....

[Lightning Mate]

No worries mate - I get the same ****!!!!!

Is it American?

[Noyade]

Just get rid of the bottle mate!

Done.

The wine was Australian....not FRENCH. ;)

[Lightning Mate]

The wine was Australian....not FRENCH.

Excellent - a man after my own heart.:ok:

So was the challenge American?

[RegDep]

Booah. Now I have a helicopter in sleeve.....

Breguet-Dorand "Gyroplane Laboratoire"

[Noyade]

The wine was Australian....not FRENCH. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wink2.gif

So was the challenge American?

FRENCH

Co-axial.
1936.

[RegDep]

Resumed test flights in 1935.

The Breguet Gyroplane flew at 120km/h, climbed to an altitude of 158m, and remained in the air for more than one hour during tests that concluded late in 1936. Arguably the world's first successful helicopter, this historic machine was badly damaged in June 1939 during autorotation tests. It was subsequently destroyed by Allied bombing of historic Villacoublay Airfield in 1943.

Now you hurry!

And this was a silhouette already. Are you cheating us?

Here's my 32 seconds silhouetting of the same

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-03-07um131806.png

[Lightning Mate]

A WORTHY WINGMAN...............http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

I'll rescind that statement - do sharpen up old chap!

Check six Graeme - J !

[Noyade]

The Breguet Gyroplane:ok: Your control Reg! :)

Gonna clear the desk and look busy!

Cheers Guys!

And this was a silhouette already. Are you cheating us?

No mate! 5-minute production time....no time to check Mel's list...Sorry :p

[Lightning Mate]

Gonna clear the desk and look busy!

nah mate - go to bed and complain that you have been!

[RegDep]

If she asks, we have not seen you.

Here is my whole sleeve:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/h2.gif

No mate! 5-minute production time....no time to check Mel's list...Sorry

Not a silhouette in Mel's list. Silhouetted in Aviastar.

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like a very early tip-jet job.

Russian?

[Noyade]

Ha! Tricked yas! Julie is worse than me on the PC...plays those online games. :hmm:

Reg....

McDonnell Model 38 / XH-20 "Little Henry" helicopter - development history, photos, technical data (http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/mcdonnel_henry.php)

Not a silhouette in Mel's list. Silhouetted in Aviastar.
Ahhh...I see. No mate I have the book that Aviastar lifted the illustration from....

[RegDep]

Not Russian mate.

Aaa!

Noyade has it :D

Nice little buzzer.

Only one was built.

Says Aviastar, and displays a photo where there are two of them.... :confused:

All yours!

[Noyade]

Page 77, same book...5 minutes....rego intact. ;)

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/7017/lastscandz.jpg (http://img585.imageshack.us/i/lastscandz.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Is it the NHI H-3 KOLIBRIE (HUMMING-BIRD)

[Noyade]

It is mate! :ok:

Your control!

Thanks guys, enjoy your day!

[RegDep]

I've told you Graeme that I have two (2) aviation books, and no more. To obtain a library like yours might :8 take more effort than to learn Photoshop :suspect:. I scanned one from one of the books (remember, the Argentine one) and you shot it down in a couple of minutes. Great fun :rolleyes:,

[Lightning Mate]

Reg, it may look like it's just you and I, but Ridge Runner is lurking.......

Wossa want next?

E-mail after I have had lunch......Photoshop Elements.

[Lightning Mate]

Since you seem to like posting front views, here's another......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/nutherfrontjob.jpg

[RegDep]

Fokker D XIV

[Lightning Mate]

Yes mate, it is.:ok:

All yours......

[Lightning Mate]

Want a gift one mate?

[RegDep]

Sure. Many. But I'll post this piece of naive art now :hmm:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/T-1-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

My first reaction was a Nipper, but it isn't.

[RegDep]

What is not a Nipper, your first reaction or the challenge?

[Lightning Mate]

Well, the Tipsy looks unique and I can't think of anything else like it!

Have you found the airbrush tool in Elements?

[RegDep]

Well, here's the caption of the original picture

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-03-07um163238-1-1.png

So, its Fairey Tipsy.

Several things that are called brushes. In fact, I need to download an update to the Help. Justamoment.

[Lightning Mate]

Miss Alice Devin Atalanta Clifford before she married.

The Tipsy Nipper may also be known as the Fairey Tipsy.

[RegDep]

It is Tipsy Nipper.

Lets go to e-mail to talk about Photoshop.

[Lightning Mate]

Please give me ten minutes.

Do I have control then?

[RegDep]

Sorry, you have control, Sir :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Reg.

Here's something a little different. Check e-mail in ten minutes.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/hiup.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening HappyPass - I see you lurking out there.......

[HappyPass]

'evening folks!
pc is on but unfortunately I'm busy... we have guests for dinner so lotsa work...
that looks like a flying-hover-boat-ekrano-craft-or-sumtin (with a ducted fan)...
Back to the stoves!
Bye

[Lightning Mate]

Bye??

Your green light is still on!


that looks like a flying-hover-boat-ekrano-craft-or-sumtin (with a ducted fan)...

Sumtin innit!

[HappyPass]

Your green light is still on!
'cause my pc is still on (for other reasons) and I didn't log out...
still checking from time to time tho...

[Noyade]

I have two (2) aviation booksYou don't need books mate, but you do need a scanner/printer. Just print them off from the net and go to town with your pens/pencils/felt-tips. But don't get overly precise with it, otherwise you're wasting your life....:)

See....

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1100/dunno.jpg (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/dunno.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening Graeme.


...."something is just not right here....David?"

It is right mate. You have drawn your illustration viewed from below with the machine moving away from you. Mine is viewed from above and to the front left with it coming towards us.

It is from a drawing provided by the manufacturer.

The latest information is that it is patent pending and is American. It must be licensed in the USA as an experimental amphibian aircraft. Available in kit form, but fully assembled for export only.

[HappyPass]

And it's called Super Hoverhawk (TM), manufactured by Hoverhawk corporation.
Is this the one?
<hovercraft> (http://members.shaw.ca/relacc/hovercraft.htm)
Best regards

[Lightning Mate]

Morning HP. :)

Wonderful what the odd clue produces.

It is indeed the Super Hoverhawk, in this case in true silhouette form as per the spirit of this thread.

All yours. :ok:

[HappyPass]

Morning LM (and everybody else)!
It was the "patent pending" string that did the trick... yesterday I slipped away from the kitchen a couple of times (was peeling potatoes...) and gave a quick look, found a very similar one which is apparently well-known but the tail was all wrong.
Here's a new one, not a front view, but again a true silhouette.
Next time I will do my best to put a dramatic cloudy sky under mine as well! :ok:

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8781/challengeqt.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/challengeqt.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

not a front view

Really? Now it's me who has a perspective problem!

[HappyPass]

Really? Now it's me who has a perspective problem!
was referring to 2d front views... this is from an angle, however, yes, the plane is portrayed from the front-left.

[RegDep]

OK gentlemanzes, next time I post a true 1D rear-view silhouette and then log off. You can banter your guts clean then
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/fighting0054.gif

[Lightning Mate]

'tag Reg.:)

Owza airbrushing going?

PM reply for HP.

I must go now, but my green light will stay on because I can't log out again.:ugh::ugh:

[HappyPass]

Ok, 1 hour elapsed, time for first clue:

this one has a comely engine...

[RegDep]

Main Entry: comely
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: beautiful
Synonyms: a ten, attractive, beauteous, becoming, blooming, buxom, fair, fine, good-looking, gorgeous, graceful, handsome, nice, pleasing, pretty, pulchritudinous, stunning, wholesome, winsome

Sure is......

pulchritudinous :rolleyes:

[HappyPass]

whoops... sorry! meant ly-come! ;)

An O-320, to be precise (but there also is a version powered by an O-360)

[RegDep]

Aviat Husky A-1B-160
Beechcraft Musketeer
Bellanca Decathlon
Canadian Home Rotors Safari
Cessna 172
EM-11 Orka
Grumman American AA-5
Gulfstream American GA-7 Cougar
Hatz homebuilt biplane
Hollmann HA-2M gyrocopter
MBB Bo 209
Mustang Aeronautics Mustang II
Osprey Osprey 2
Partenavia P66B Oscar 150
Piper Aztec
Piper Apache
Piper PA-40 Arapaho
Piper Twin Comanche
Piper Cherokee
Piper Tripacer
PZL-110 Koliber
Robin DR400
Robinson R22
Rutan Long-EZ
Socata TB9 Tampico
Symphony SA-160
Thorp T-18
Piper PA-18-150 Super Cub
Van's Aircraft RV-3
Van's Aircraft RV-4
Van's Aircraft RV-6
Van's Aircraft RV-8
Van's Aircraft RV-9
Varga Kachina
Vulcanair P-68C

So, we start with Aviat Husky

[HappyPass]

I'll make things simpler for you: none of the above!

[RegDep]

I'll make things simpler for you:

Booaah! How come simpler?

Nice list, though .... :*

Edit: Ach! This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.

[HappyPass]

This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
looks like we are able to contribute to the world's knowledge!

[Lightning Mate]

To which, Reg, you could add the Aero Boero AB150.

[RegDep]

To which, Reg, you could add the Aero Boero AB150.

Right you are. Have been to the same site. No struts in stabilizers.

[HappyPass]

To which, Reg, you could add the Aero Boero AB150.
Which, by the way, it is not, but you're getting hotter...

[Lightning Mate]

I know - I only said you could add it to your list. :E

[HappyPass]

I know - I only said you could add it to your list. :E
fair point! :E

[Lightning Mate]

but you're getting hotter...

Are we in South America then.....?

[RegDep]

Hotter than Aero Boero AB 115?

Scrub 115 and add 180

[HappyPass]

Hotter than Aero Boero AB 115?
Hotter is in the sense of "Argentinian too"

[RegDep]

IA-46 then........

[Lightning Mate]

Yep - beat me to it again.....

How's the sleeve Reg?

[HappyPass]

You never stops amazing me! :D:D

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1549/answerz.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/answerz.jpg/)

Wikipedia has an entry for it here DINFIA IA 46 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DINFIA_IA_46) but apparently nobody added the model to the list of O-320 powered aircrafts...:rolleyes:

RegDep has control

[RegDep]

Struggling with Photoshop, must decide what to do, chase challenges or do my homework. Pending HappyPass' call, would you take the next round LM?

Edit: Thanks HappyPass!

I'll offer LM to post one, because I have no acceptable quality stuff to post (yet)

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/meerkovo-comcopy-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

That's a pity Reg - need bigger sleeve mate!

I'll accept the offer one one condition.

I have to go out very shortly for an hour so won't be able to monitor until then - is that OK with both of you?

[HappyPass]

is that OK with both of you?
Take your time, I need a break from this addiction...:8

[RegDep]

OK, I post in some 30 minutes what I have by then....

Ta Daa.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/5581-2-1-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Your service then Reg. :ok:

See you later.

[RegDep]

OK, re-posting here while a new page has been turned! (poetic, eh?)

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/5581-2-1-1.jpg

Will be off line for a while, please stay calm and nice to each-other in the line and, please, don't stomp your feet. There will be no clues without proper attempts at the challenge.

[Lightning Mate]

Ooooohh - you have been learning!

So,

I see a parasol - big tail or tandem wing?

Tailskid seems to be propped up on a block

Also uneven left to right engine profile.

The aeroplanes' left wingtip has a greater chord than the right.:E

French?

[skytrain10]

Afternoon/evening gents...just finished work and thought I would take a quick look before heading off to the hotel. Is this a Fokker DVIII?

Edit to say that if correct it will have to be Open House.

[diesel addict]

Fokker D-8 ( or replica ) ???????????

ICOH

[RegDep]

Good evening gentlemen.

Skytrain has it correct Fokker D VIII. Diesel Addict has added the possibility that it would be replica (which it is), and LM has identified two blunders in silhouetting, both correct, too :hmm:.

I'll call this Skytrain's :ok:

Background: I had heard grunts that people don't like my one-dimensional front non-real silhouettes, so I made a real rear silhouette.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/5581.jpg

All Skytrain's!

Skytrain has requested Open House.

[diesel addict]

B****r - beaten by a measly minute !!!!!!!!!

All because I could not remember if it was a "D" 8...... Hah

[RegDep]

There will be many for you to sink your teeth in, rest assured!

[SincoTC]

Guten Abend Reg,

I was just about to point out that I had managed to win without being on ther forum for a couple of days, but I see that you've now realised the error, thanks for the thought anyway, I can see why you made it though as skytrain used similar phrases to me :)

I should still point out that that he requested an open house if correct, but now I see that you've done that too :ok: (I'll leave that in JIC people don't notice your edit)

Edited to say apologies for my absence, the home internet has been next to impossible since the engineers work on Saturday morning and may be a few days yet, added to that, I've been too busy at work to get a look in during breaks! Would love to take up the OH, but cannot under these circumstances. Good luck with the photoshopping and learning from the Master, it's looking good so far! Off home now to see if I can get a connection!

[Lightning Mate]

I am raising a glass to a new student of mine - not all of my university clients are this quick. :D:D

Prost Reg.

I shall sometime post a challenge using a completely different Photoshop trick.

In the meantime I note the Open House............

[Lightning Mate]

Now then Reg, all you now need to learn is how to convert a mono image to colour.

Like this:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/nossabeforebipe.jpg

edit: now Reg you need a further tutorial on clone-stamping........

[skytrain10]

B****r - beaten by a measly minute
If its any consolation DA, it would have been more than a minute had I looked in earlier! :)

Well amazingly I have internet access, just need to keep cranking the handle! American David?

[RegDep]

LM I put '2pOB' to Giggle Aerofiles site, and the first returned picture was Braley Beezle Bug's Braley B-1 .

You have photoshopped the pilot out and inverted the picture....:=

Can I go to bed now?

Edit: Calling it a day. Good night gentlemen!

[Lightning Mate]

Guten morgen Reg.

No reply last night because of modem problems. Now I have internet back but no telephone.:ugh:

Funny how Aerofiles sometimes throws things up immediately. The Braley B1 it is, minus pilot of course because it's an aeroplane silhouette. :ok:

You have control. Wot you got up sleeve?

[RegDep]

Good morning mate!

Sorry for your problems. Looks like the clones of German telecommunication "experts" are to be found in the Kingdom, too :ooh:

Here's my contribution for this morning. Basic "real" silhouette, no bells and whistles.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/L_edited-1-1.jpg

I seem to have lost a lot of quality when saving it as jpg....:sad:

Funny how Aerofiles sometimes throws things up immediately.
I didn't use Aerofile's Search. I searched inside Aerofiles using another search mechanism. :8

[Lightning Mate]

Quality problem eh!

Was the original a gif image by any chance? We might be able to fix that.

[RegDep]

No, it was a .jpg.

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like a resolution problem then.

Is yours French par chance?

[RegDep]

Mais oui, Monsieur!

[Lightning Mate]

Something from Croses?

[Lightning Mate]

Or even a Lederlin 380-L.

[RegDep]

Not from Croses but I know exactly why you ask.

Aaa, there you are, next page already. Yes, Lederlin 380L, a.k.a. Ladybug. François Lederlin's redesigned Mignet HM380.

Your turn :D

[Lightning Mate]

Danke mate.

A good start to the day. Now you know I love high performance....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/cloudsagain.jpg

edit to ask - you still out there?

[HappyPass]

Morning LM!
Wow, you're definitely raising the bar regarding silhouettes... the last ones are really beautiful.

Back on topic: has this anything to do with the Hawker prototypes (P.1116, P.1121)?
There are some details that don't seem to fit, though.

[Lightning Mate]

A very good morning to you HP.

Keep an eye on RDs' stuff as well - he's getting there.

The challenge has nothing to do with Hawker I'm afraid - keep going.....

Cluetime soon. :ok:

[HappyPass]

Yeah, yesterday's parasol was pretty good too!

I'm pretty confident I've seen this before... if only I could remember where!:confused:

[Lightning Mate]

I'm pretty confident I've seen this before...

So have I.....:E

[HappyPass]

Saab A-36

Just to be precise, the 1300-76C model (chin intake).

[Lightning Mate]

:D:D

Over to you.

[HappyPass]

I apologize for the poor quality of the resized silhouette, next time I'll go for a bicubic...

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7232/challenges.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/i/challenges.jpg/)

[RegDep]

By way of educating HappyPass (and not complaining or requestind the precious challenge to be nulled :), we have (or those who were around at the time) had SAAB A 36, aka "Projekt 1300" before, see Mel's list. Page 143, post 2845, 21/08/2009.

HappyPass, Mel's list, just in case you have not noticed, is in a "sticky" thread in Aviation History and Nostalgia forum, under post 'Sticky: What Cockpit and What Aerodrome latest Lists'. Mel (MReyn24050) does us all a great service in listing all past challenges and posting a new version of his list every once in a short while. You will also find there the rules of Silhouette Challenge, a consensus document of the International Brotherhood of Resident Silhouetters ("the usual suspects").

Reg

[Lightning Mate]

I was aware of that Reg, but a repeat still catches people out on occasions.

[RegDep]

Agreed. Just were not sure if HappyPass was aware of Mel's list. All well.

His current isn't a piece of cake, although I thought so. He will be a grand Photoshopper in no time. Good competition in all fronts, this man of ours.

[HappyPass]

Thanks RegDep.
I always check the list before I post, if it is the one you're referring to:
http://artificer356.co.uk/WhatSilhouette01022011.htm
In fact, I got it bookmarked :ok:

the current challenge hasn't been posted before...
...and I always google for the relevant features of a challenge in order to see where in the list they pop up... well, at least when I have time to do so! :)

[Lightning Mate]

It's difficult to tell from the image, but is the prop ducted/shrouded?


...and I always google for the relevant features of a challenge in order to see where in the list they pop up...

Good idea mate - most of us do that.

[RegDep]

...and I always google for the relevant features of a challenge in order to see where in the list they pop up...

Noticed that :(. "Canard twin boom pusher" :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Does it have a recce pod under its belly, or is that only a backdrop detail?

[Lightning Mate]

Well Reg,

I'm trying experimental light sport aircraft. I reckon it's a Yank.

[HappyPass]

The prop isn't ducted... the lines you see are the artist's impression of a rotating prop.

There are no underbelly pods: the gear fairings and a canard are protruding in the silhouette.

Not Yank, nor sport if I understand well.

[Lightning Mate]

artist's impression

Does that mean it hasn't been built? :eek:

[HappyPass]

No, it has actually been built.
I only mean that a rotating prop usually isn't made up of pencil lines which stay still in the air in order to convey the impression of movement...:E

[RegDep]

nor sport if I understand well

Master of apocryphal!

Whats left: Military, utility, UAV? Is it manned?

[Lightning Mate]

So it's been built, but since it's an artists' impression, could it be that it hasn't actually flown. :\

[RegDep]

As we are ripping the picture line by line apart, I am interested in the outlying "draw of a pencil" on the left, over the cockpit. Is that an antenna, and if so, would it mean that this is a model of sorts?

[HappyPass]

Whoa! How many questions!

First of all: that one was a drawing, but there also are photos. It has been built *and* flown.

I would class that as utility.

Yeah, it is manned

The slanted line is an antenna. There are lots on all the Cessnas and Pipers and stuff, y'know... so you can talk to ATC an' stuff... :E

No it is not a model airplane (it is 7-8 meters long).

[RegDep]

A Yakovlev?

[HappyPass]

A Yakovlev
Not a Yak. Right side of the iron curtain though. :)

[RegDep]

Right side of the iron curtain though.

You mean over 20 years old construction?

[HappyPass]

You mean over 20 years old construction?Not so old, but not long after the fall of the wall either.

Make that 19 y.o.

[Lightning Mate]

Good day today innit!

Wonder where The Stig is................

[HappyPass]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/HPchallenge.jpg (http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/HPchallenge.jpg)

Lots of questions and a new page so I will follow LM's advice and repost.
This version has been kindly enhanced by he himself (and looks a whole lot better!:)).

[RegDep]

Mr. Artist, does it have counter-rotating propellers?

[Lightning Mate]

Why ask me?

I dunno wot it is mate. :\

[HappyPass]

No, one three-bladed prop only.

[SincoTC]

Wonder where The Stig is................

Just having my my lunch mate, having been pipped at the post on the Saab at coffee time. I'd seen that one before 'coz I was going to do it until I checked Mel's list!! NB. skytrains post on page 143 is slightly different on the bottom of the rear fuselage.

HappyPass, is it the Molniya-1 ??

Just lucky with the year clue, I may have found it without, but I was looking for a three lifting surface aircraft, not a pusher canard :)

1993 | 0074 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1993/1993%20-%200074.html?search=tri-wing)

[RegDep]

Why ask me?

Didn't. Asked the guy who originally added the speed-lines for artistic impression :=.

Is it the Molniya-1 ??

Blimey! All day been looking for a Yak-58 with canards. And they call it Molniya-1 after the Russki Moon Raker.... :{

[Lightning Mate]

Stig Warning Red!

[HappyPass]

SincoTC is correct!!! :D:D:D

Re: RegDep I didn't add the lines, they were already here:
http://www.buran-energia.com/documentation/img/molniya1.png

Experimental pusher triplane 6-seater utility presented at Moscow Air Show in 1992
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9721/solutionj.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/solutionj.jpg/)

SincoTC has control

[Lightning Mate]

'nuther PM for HP.

[Lightning Mate]

Don't say it's another OH Stig......:\

[SincoTC]

Thanks HappyPass, another good one!!

My sleeve is empty, however, I'm not even going to try doing this with Paint, so you'll all have to put up with this as it comes. There was something similar recently, but I didn't find this looking for that one. Don't think it'll last long tho 'coz once you've seen it

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf091.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Right, I'm off to the pub!

[RegDep]

Right, I'm off to the pub!

Make sure you do not return from there upside down!

[SincoTC]

Not on my account I hope, although I have a tendency to drive people to drink :)

[Lightning Mate]

Not on my account I hope, although I have a tendency to drive people to drink http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Well, this challenge has - I've just opened a bottle to save walking!

[RegDep]

Whoever the constructor of the challenge is, must be this guy's grandpa.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/DoubleTake-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Guess what TC.

I think the site where you got this one is bookmarked at work and not here.:ugh:

[SincoTC]

I'm sure it is too mate, but it should be easy to find anyway :)

Back at work now, but will keep an eye on things!

BTW Reg,

The Soviet Molniya series of satellites where for military comminications, not Moon probes

[HappyPass]

Found it! :E

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/tzu/lowres/tzun251l.jpg (http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/tzu/lowres/tzun251l.jpg)

[RegDep]

The challenge has certain resemblance with Ben Epps' monoplanes, especially 1911. Let's at least discuss US aircraft in or around 1911. There were enough airheads to try something like this

[SincoTC]

Not American, North or South!

[Lightning Mate]

Funny you should say that.

I, would you believe, have been looking at hats, and they ain't Yank.

They look more Eastern European to me.

[RegDep]

Or Belgian......

LM is that an aircraft wing far right on the picture. Could this picture be younger than it makes us believe?

[Lightning Mate]

No way mate - the challenge is authentic and to me looks pre-1914.

I also think this was designed so that it could be landed if a wheel fell off in flight. Why else would anyone do it?

[SincoTC]

This contraption was (it seems) a modification of an orthodox monoplane and I think you're seeing it in its inverted position, if that helps :E

LM is correct about the period.

There were enough airheads to try something like this

Dunno about airheads, but something that sounds very nearly the same (and is not very PC) will narrow down the part of the World this comes from :)

[Lightning Mate]

but something that sounds very nearly the same (and is not very PC)

Oh dear - here we go.......

....gimme the first letter then....

[RegDep]

Mamma mia......

[SincoTC]

....gimme the first letter then....

Better yet, I'll give you the first two!

sq

Edited to say maybe Reg already has it!

[Lightning Mate]

Something to do with Leonino Da Zara?

I like calamari!

[SincoTC]

Sorry if I sent you off on a wild goose chase mate, it's not Italian.

I thought he'd found the word I was hinting at before I gave you the two letters "sq" to put in front of the word he used!!

[Lightning Mate]

Gone off geese. :ugh:

Let's try heading in Regs' direction.

[RegDep]

I thought it was meathead a la Archie Bunker :E

Squarehead iz PC hier, you Britischers! http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/fighting0054.gif

Hans Grade Monoplane, c.1909, as amended.

I looked at it very early (as monoplane, because I was looking similar monoplanes) but dismissed it because i thought the three cylinders were the wrong way. And I was looking for a plane that can be flown both ways :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh: :*:ugh:

[Lightning Mate]

I'd already looked at that, but can't find anything like the challenge.

[RegDep]

http://www.fliegerweb.com/inhalte/Geschichte/Flugzeuge/GradeEindecker/KunstflugmaschineGrade_.jpg

Hah!.............

Kunstflugmaschine von Hans Grade

FliegerWeb.com - Lexikon: Grade Eindecker (http://www.fliegerweb.com/geschichte/flugzeuge/lexikon.php?show=lexikon-650)

[SincoTC]

RegDep has it :D:D

I did say the original appeared to be inverted in this image!

My source has it as the Grade-Eindecker B / Double Carriage Stunt Flying Monoplane

If you giggle Grade Eindecker, it's on the first page of images, but not so with Grade monoplane


RegDep has control :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Now you can show us your latest Photoshop skills.;)

My modem is on the blink again and the phoneline fault will not be fixed until tomorrow.

If you don't see me again tonight it's because I can't connect. :ugh::ugh:

[RegDep]

I did say the original appeared to be inverted in this image!

Yes you did, that's when I started realizing what was going on.....

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/sky-1copy-1.jpg

:cool:

[Lightning Mate]

Ooooohhhh - who's a clever chap then.

Now get the transparency sorted out. :E

Wossa big left aileron and no right?

[RegDep]

Now get the transparency sorted out.

A bit suspense. Too much for you mate?

Wossa big left aileron and no right?

Dunno. Is so in the original. Could not show my face in front of my Master if I had taken something away from the silhouette (there was no pilot to take away :E).

[HappyPass]

Is it a Bede BD-5 or is the gap under the vertical stabilizer really there?

Edit: maybe a Bd-7 (gear and horizontal stabilizer dihedral) but still looking for photos...

Re-Edit: no, a BD-5B like this one Photos: Bede BD-5B Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Bede-BD-5B/1091973/L/)

Re-Re-Edit: actually, that one seems the source of the silhouette...:)

[RegDep]

HappyPass,

As you say, and the link is correct, too. Bede BD-5B. More a challenge to the silhouetter than to the rest of the gang :hmm:.

HappyPass has the floor :D

[Lightning Mate]

Believe me, I clocked that one straight away boys.

I just felt that since Reg had made such a nice job of it, it might be left up for longer. :\

Sometimes Reg, it takes longer to prepare than to be identified - believe me mate.

[HappyPass]

Thanks RegDep!

Off to work with the new one!

Are eggbeaters allowed?
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6805/challengejy.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/challengejy.jpg/)
Whop whop whop! :ooh:

[RegDep]

Sometimes Reg, it takes longer to prepare than to be identified - believe me mate.

I know, but I am not sorry about it now. I knew it was easy to ID, but it was so fun to do, and to find something new at every step......

[HappyPass]

Ok, have to leave my computer unattended for say half an hour, maybe a little more, but I won't leave you guys without a proper clue.

There's something unconventional about it...

[Lightning Mate]

There's something unconventional about it...

Sure looks that way - in that it appears unmanned.....

Like the Cierva W.9

[RegDep]

Sure looks that way - in that it appears unmanned.....

Or autogyro.....

[SincoTC]

Just finished work and off home now; I think you've got it with the Cierva LM.

It was essentially a NOTAR helicopter, forty odd years before MD "invented" the idea again!

I may be back later, if I can bully my BB connection into life. If not seeya tomorrow breaktime :)

[Lightning Mate]

Best of luck mate - now you are not the only one with connection problems.

[Lightning Mate]

Squarehead iz PC hier, you Britischers!

Reg, you must understand that EVERYTHING in our country must be PC dumbkopff. ;)

Remember something - there was a time when the sun never set on the British Empire!!

:mad:

[HappyPass]

Cierva W.9, correct! :D:D
Unmanned, not correct (at least I think so, since Wikipedia suggests it had a crew of two).

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9462/ciervaw92.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/i/ciervaw92.jpg/)

Lightning Mate has control.

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks mate - "pass the HP"...

I just love blue, don't you?.......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/nicebluejob.jpg

[RegDep]

there was a time when the sun never set on the British Empire!

It is now true with Norway, with Spitsbergen, Bouvet Island and Queen Maud Land in the Antarctic......

Yours yet another Häfeli LM?

OK, at any rate, Anzani engine, right?

See you guys in the morning. Night!

[Lightning Mate]

Not a Häfeli, but you're correct with the engine.

[RegDep]

A Stampe & Vertongen Renard, number still open, possibly a monoplane version of a better known biplane.... Have seen a SV 22 / SV 26 (which it is not) in front of probably the same hangar.

Edit to say, maybe not S&V, they all would be parasols.....

Wasn't that "hangar" in fact an aviation museum storage hall?

[Lightning Mate]

Guten morgen Reg. :)


Wasn't that "hangar" in fact an aviation museum storage hall?

I don't thing so. Neither do I think you would see a Renard here.

You still out there Reg?