Silhouette challenge

[Lightning Mate]

German?....Heinkel?...

[RegDep]

Not German mate.

Germans had kind of a role in it not seeing the day, though :8.

[Lightning Mate]

Polish then.....

[RegDep]

Of the potential candidates, not Polish......

[Lightning Mate]

I'll keep going for a little while.

Czech?

[RegDep]

Czech?

Keep going.

[skytrain10]

Breguet Br.820?
Edit to say, no forget that....but a French design?

[RegDep]

Breguet Br.820?

Mais oui, Monsieur! :ok:

Le BREGUET 820 est l'un des nombreux projets français qui n'eurent même pas le temps de voir le jour, du fait de l'Armistice franco-allemand du mois de Juin 1940.

Your thread :D.

Edit to say about your edit: Why should I do that?

[Lightning Mate]

Keep going
So I did, but in Czechoslovakia, not in direction!!!!! :=

[skytrain10]

Thanks RD

Edit to say about your edit: Why should I do that?
The only 3-view I found showed the aircraft with a much shorter nose, to the point where the engines extended further forward than the nose.

Anyway it will have to be Open House as no ability to post images at present.

[RegDep]

LM: Well, I thought you started from Poland, then went to Czech, then to Austria etc - or Denmark, Norway, Holland, Belgium, and eventually end up to France either way.... :8

Skytrain: Go Giggle the French quote from my post.....


Skytrain has requested Open House

[Lightning Mate]

I don't want anyone getting bored.......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/weirdjob-1.jpg


as no ability to post images at present.

yzat mate?

[RegDep]

This gentleman apparently won't get bored. Is he pedaling or is there an engine?

[Lightning Mate]

Engine...!

[SincoTC]

'Artnoon LM,

I believe 'tz the 1912 Vendome Type Militaire Monoplane ?

Edited to say; Reg, I made the mistake of checking the easy Bregeut ones first, then rapidly scrolled down your namesakes site, not stopping to open any Yank ones, and I started at 1911, 'coz I only had my 15min coffee break

[RegDep]

Got just up to 1911 in the same site :hmm:.

[Lightning Mate]

'Artnoon TC. :)

Since you were not on thread I thought I would use one from there.

I knew you would pitch up at some point!

All yours mate. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM,

Been really hectic again today! I doubt that this'll last too long, but it's all I have ready (again)!!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf083.jpg

[RegDep]

MBB Lampyridae (Firefly)

Sorry, have to go collect my daughter from Tegel. Will not be much on line until Sunday.

Open House if /:E correct

Reg

[Lightning Mate]

Holy .....:mad:...Reg.

The record is in fact one minute............................:}

[SincoTC]

There, what did I say!! I was intending to let it bide a while before launching, but I had no choice. :O

It is the Messerschmitt-Bolkow-Blohm LAMPYRIDAE

PROGRAMME: Partly declassified in February 1995. Launched under Luftwaffe contract in 1981 by then MBB (Messerschmitt-Bolkow-Blohm); codenamed Lampyridae (Latin for Firefly) or Medium-Range Missile Fighter.

Wind tunnel testing in 1985 on 1:3.5 scale low-speed modeland 1:20 transonic model; radar cross-section analysed on full-sized mockup (length overall: 16 m; 52 ft). Programme culminated in 1987 with 15 `flights' by manned, but unpowered 1:1.33 scale aircraft in German-Netherlands wind tunnel at Emmeloord; simulated speeds up to 120 knots (222 km/h; 138 mph) and small-amplitude movements about all axes.

Radar signature targets were met (and probably bettered Lockheed F-117A Nighthawk from frontal aspect, despite latter's more than double number of facets).

Well done mate :ok:

Edited to say that RegDep has requesten an Open House

[RegDep]

Thanks, see my edited post. Had gone the whole site page-by-page throug some 30 minutes ago :E.

OH

[Lightning Mate]

TC,

I also have to go shortly and try to re-install my modified computer at home.

Looks like you have some breathing space to fire up another one. :ok:

edit:...just NB'd Ken on line, so I wonder If he's solved his image posting problem.

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM,

I'm officailly back at work now!! Maybe someone will step in, otherwise I'll have a look after I finish work and before I go home tonight'

[Lightning Mate]

I'm tempted, but if I can't get my home machine working, I shall not be able to monitor.

One light on and it's mine - now going off, so I'll lock the front door and put all the lights off.

[skytrain10]

Not so much posting problems, more the inability to participate. I was lucky today as I had a quiet period, but I'm away again. It would not be fair of me to post as I may not be able to monitor. The internet in the hotel here is lousy so if I were to post now it could easily be sometime tomorrow before I could check. That's certainly not in the spirit of the competition. So for the time being I'll look in from time to time during my coffee breaks....sound like anyone you know?

[SincoTC]

Thanks for the update Ken,

I'll look in from time to time during my coffee breaks....sound like anyone you know?

Hmm; nope, can't think of anyone!!! :O

As promised, before I set off home, here's the next challenge, another easy one methinks (especially for Graeme if he's up early Thursday)!

I've left a couple of highlights to give an idea of where the sponsons and tail are located.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf084.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

In the words of a certain policeman from Dock Green:

Eevnin' all..:)

Got mail TC - see you Monday. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Marchetti S62 ?

[SincoTC]

If I'd known you were going to get your PC (not #49) up and running so swiftly, I'd have stopped and done another :ugh:

It is the Savoia-Marchetti SM-62 :D

Lightning Mate has Control :ok: And I'm off to the kitchen, tail 'tween legs!!!!

[Lightning Mate]

And I'm off to the kitchen, tail 'tween legs!!!!

That means a grilling........................you just wait..........:E

This is not from our flavour of the month site:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/tailnotlookritebutiz-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

And I'm off to the kitchen, tail 'tween legs!!!!


Don't burn your ass mate.............:E

metoomate - just to get anuvver drink..............

Merc will be loaded on Monday morning..............................:}

[SincoTC]

Oh well; suitably replete and nothing burnt! Now where to start with this one!

Looks like a rotary donk, wassa make and hp? 1910-15? One or two seats? Run of the mill country or unusual?

[mat777]

Just hazarding a guess off the top of my head here here but it looks somewhat like an Avro 504?

[Lightning Mate]

1910-15? One or two seats? Run of the mill country or unusual?

Yes
One
Unusual aeroplane but "run of the mill" the country CERTAINLY IS NOT. :=


Welcome matt777.

Not a 504 - please re-check the skids and tail surfaces.

[RegDep]

but "run of the mill" the country CERTAINLY IS NOT. :=

Easy then: British

1913 De Havilland BS1 biplane, or maybe better said Royal Aircraft Factory BS1, designed and built by Geoffrey de Havilland.

See you in the morning. Night.

[mat777]

I'm confused RegDep - I thought DeHavilland aircraft didnt exist until late into WW1 when he left Airco?

Anyway, whilst I'm here, I appreciate that I'll probably never get one of these right but can I be cheeky and pop in something quite interesting?

I found this recently in a book of declassified reports Happy guessing!
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh5/rockin_all_over_the_world/c31675f2.jpg

[SincoTC]

Good call Reg,

Nice one LM, Double-bluffed or what!!

After getting your Vendome yesterday, you said

Since you were not on thread I thought I would use one from there.

I knew you would pitch up at some point!

Several recent challenges had come from the Regheath site and snapped-up fairly quickly, after which, you said "it looks like it's back to the Aerodrome then!

So when you said with this one

This is not from our flavour of the month site:

Muggins here didn't even take a look at Regheath, where I would have found it in about a minute starting at 1913 :ugh:

My own B:mad:y fault though, I should have said, "so it's not on Regheath then" :)

Welcome to the thread triple seven, LM will give you a suitable induction ;)

Gonna be a busy day again today and out tonight, be in when I can, seeya :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning 777.

May I ask you to go to the "What Cockpit & What Aerodrome" sticky, where the Silhouette Challenge rules of engagement are posted.

Only the winner of a challenge may post a new one. Therefore I am sorry to say that yours is invalid.

However, new blood on the thread is always very welcome, so do participate. It's fun and sometimes somebody will post a challenge which is brain scrambling.

The winner of my last challenge is RegDep.

RegDep now has control of the thread.

[RegDep]

Thanks LM and sorry for my slow :O

Here's my next. Silhouette, but because of my medieval techniques not filled with black :8.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/V.jpg

777, I am not sure if you read my edit, but my last was according my source in web called De Havilland, but actually designed and built by Geoffrey De Havilland while he was at FAF. As to your interesting posting and for the future, is your proposed challenge pictured in the web somewhere?

Reg

Edit: PS to TC: My "namesake" site was one of the first ones I bookmarked at my early career at SC, and I have always wondered how easily I could repeatedly find winning responses there.... :E, as if only LM and me knew the site :oh:.

Edit 2: PPS, will be in and out today, try to check once in a while. Please bear with me (not seeing too many crowding on the thread at the moment, either.... :hmm:).

[Lightning Mate]

As of the last few days the obvious question.

Did it fly?

[Ridge Runner]

Afternoon , all!!! Is the latest from the Far East? Korean or Japanese?

[Lightning Mate]

Wotcha mate. :)

[hesham]

Hi,

it is Vought TF-120

[RegDep]

hesham has it, it is Vought TF-120

All yours!

[Ridge Runner]

Wotcha mate

Hi David. How are things? Unfortunately I have only just got broadband at home and so I've been elusive! Hopefully normal service is resuming!!!

RR

[RegDep]

Sorry gentlemen for the late response, found hesham's response, but couldnot log in with mymobile. Nokiagraphics were not goodfor the pw procedure..... Thanks Gateness for Internet Cafes!

[Lightning Mate]

Hi David. How are things?

Well mate thanks - looking forward to two weeks off from Monday. I have only taken five days leave in the last nine months!

Not much point in hanging around here though at the moment is there..............

[Ridge Runner]

going somewhere good?

[Lightning Mate]

Can't leave the country until at least a year has elapsed since my last operation, so we are touring the South West, where I was born.

Going for upmarket accommodation and gourmet food. Looking to see what mpg the Mercedes will give on long distance driving, but I'm not holding out for a lot. :\

Staying one night in Minehead........................:)

[Ridge Runner]

ah well.... enjoy it!!!!!

[Lightning Mate]

We will. We have one nights' dinner booked at "15".

Musn't say more - the moderators might consider it advertising.:\

Where's hesham.....????

[mat777]

Apologies to Lightning Mate, sorry for bending the rules - it wont happen again :O

RegDep,
without hijacking hesham's control of the thread too much...
There are one or two silhouettes and and artists impression in existance on the web but I cannot remember now what keywords I used in Google to find them - the aircraft is unfortunate in sharing its name with a much more well known aircraft. It was one of the pet projects of a very eminent scientist.

Regards,

Matt

[Lightning Mate]

Apologies to Lightning Mate, sorry for bending the rules - it wont happen again http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/embarass.gif

Nice to see you back mate - no problems.

One of our rules is that it must be imaged or referenced on the web so that everyone has a fair chance of finding it.

Please stay with us.

I rather think that, if we don't hear from hesham by some time this evening, I shall open house the thread. A dead thread is not fun at all and kills its' spirit.

LM

[dazdaz1]

Just passing by....I'm 'Biting at the bit' I have some good ones. But I must wait for the chance/win one challenges before posting.

Dazdaz (1):ok:

[Lightning Mate]

OK guys - I've had enough of this!

OPEN HOUSE.

Bad luck hesham - stay with the thread spirit, and stop :mad:ing us about!

[RegDep]

My words exactly. As said before, I wouldn't object a six -hour rule. Legitimate reasons happen, too, and one should not deprive others of their fun for any reason.

[Lightning Mate]

nice call from my wingman............:ok::ok::ok:

....:D:D....

ninety port......go.............

[Lightning Mate]

.....sleeve..............................:E

[skytrain10]

Evening chaps. Well I finally manage to log on but no challenge despite some green lights....?

Edit, well looks like everyone has gone....kind of ironic after declaring Open House due no response from someone!

Flying home tomorrow so will look in again on Saturday. Night night.

[Lightning Mate]

Graeme.............??????

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/moreforme.jpg

[hesham]

Again sorry for my late.

[SincoTC]

Again sorry for my late

Well, thank you at least for coming back to apologise! However, you must appreciate that it was over ten hours since you posted what I'm pretty sure you knew was a correct answer and your return, during which time the thread was stopped and nobody could play. For all I know, you may well have intended to return much sooner and some unforseen circumstances prevented it, but seeing as this isn't the first time it's happened, I doubt that this was the case! The remedy is simple, all you have to do is to say when you post your answer "Open House please if correct" and the thread can then carry on without delay, as soon as the issuer of the challenge declares you the winner.

Also, If you want to play fully and issue a challenge, then you have to be prepared to stick around and monitor it, otherwise, as happened the other day, the thread is stalled again for hours and everyone gets upset, so play your part and we can all have fun :)

The guideline "Rules" are here if you need to check them http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/311746-what-cockpit-what-aerodrome-latest-lists.html

[SincoTC]

OK, rant over!!

Good morning LM,

First time on the thread today (yesterday), been awful busy and only just got in!

I don't know of many twin-engine combat aircraft like this that only have a single fin, so is you're challenge an AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo ??

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning to you TC.

Thanks for the rant support mate. :ok:


AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo ??

Delete the question marks - 'coz 'tiz.:D

Over to you.

[SincoTC]

Good Morning and thanks LM,

I thought it could only be that 'coz of all the F-CK-1ng missiles hanging on it!!

Now for something a little more sedate!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf085.jpg

Off to work in half an hour, will put light on again when I get there.

[SincoTC]

Just a test, I seem to have downloaded it, but I can't go to next page and If I repost it said it was a duplicate and spits it back. Maybe this'll unstick it!

Edited to say Yipee it did, but why does it always F-CK- you about when you're in a hurry :ugh:

[Lightning Mate]

Looks fairly high aspect ratio with a small engine.

An early motor glider?

[SincoTC]

It's not classified as a motor-glider in my source, but as the intention was to minimise the cost of amateur flying, I guess it needed to be pretty efficient and somwhet miserly on power requirement.

PS. Got your 'phone message OK :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Back to the drawing board then........:\

[Lightning Mate]

1930 ish...?

[SincoTC]

Mid 30's....

[Lightning Mate]

Sod it- have to go into class. :(

[Noyade]

G'day Stig!

German?

It has a cockpit like the Tsybin LL-1 or GAF Pika...optical illusion?

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

It is German.

The canopy shape is very similar to those two mate and I'd say it has a frame a bit like the Tsybin.

[Lightning Mate]

e-mail TC.....

[SincoTC]

Gorrit mate, all good :ok:

Another little clue, Jesse Owens may have seen it at a large airshow!

[Lightning Mate]

Nice clue but I'm off back to class.:\

[SincoTC]

That's a shame, but don't worry mate, schools out soon!!

[Lightning Mate]

School's out!

Looking into the 1936 Berlin Air Show.

[SincoTC]

Right City, right year and they had a great flying day as Reg might say!

Edited say, that I haven't had a great deal of success with your last post, pay heed to my clue! and in the light of below Sprechen Sie Deutsch

[Lightning Mate]

Wossa Reg gorra do wivit?

[SincoTC]

Sprechen Sie Deutsch :)

[Lightning Mate]

Jawol mein Herr.

:mad:

Große flying Tag

[SincoTC]

Getting there, but this wasn't a SPACE program, so all one word, lose that "e" and a bit more Germanic with the middle one! That one word and the year should work for you!

If you wanna bring it to the top of the goggle page, put where they used to hold the Ideal Home Exhibition before '78, before the word!

[Lightning Mate]

Oder grossen flugtag......:\

[SincoTC]

Try Großflugtag !!

[Lightning Mate]

An awficer und gentleman. :D

Deicke ADM 11

[SincoTC]

That's the one mate!

There seems to be a lot of differences of opinion and failure of two way translation between web translators, even trying the same one would sometimes come up with a slightly different meaning, I'm sure Reg would have an explanation!

Designed and built by amateur aircraft enthusiast and engine builder, Arthur Deicke, it took part in the Olympia-Großflugtag 1936 in Berlin. Pilot Toni Fehnbacher flew it to victory


Lightning Mate has control :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

There was no way I was going to get that one without clues....

mit der schitt-mixed ist!

I'm off home very shortly, so here's an easy one to be going on with - I fully expect you to solve it by the time I get home. :)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/ovaljobber.jpg

[SincoTC]

Looks like summat by Matra ??

Edited to say; taking a ten minute break and having quick look, I think it's the twin engine, single-prop Matra R-75

Again to add link
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1946/1946%20-%201473.pdf (http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1946/1946%20-%201473.pdf)

[Ridge Runner]

Blimey!! So it is!!!! You boys are now beyond me!!!!! RR

[SincoTC]

Thanks RR, it's partly a reasonable memory for odd shapes, and partly figuring out where LM has been poking around (websites that is) :E !!

[Lightning Mate]

Wot kept you TC??

Lights, music, - the stage is yours again.:ok:

TC has control

[Lightning Mate]

and partly figuring out where LM has been poking around

Go back to the 60s and 70s mate...............:E

".....and tell me LM, how many children do you have?"

"Two to the best of my knowledge"............

[SincoTC]

Wot kept you TC??

That nasty little inconvenience called work !!

Go back to the 60s and 70s mate...............

No, no, The mind boggles!! I did say websites!

Another high A-R device, this one is "Earth powered" once cast-off.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf086.jpg

Off home in a few minutes via supermarket, back soon!

[Lightning Mate]

"Earth powered" ...."Earth powered" ??

WTFO...:\

[SincoTC]

Just shutting down, thought I'd logged out but seen light is still on.

"Earth powered" ...."Earth powered" ??

Note the Capital E mate!

Don't all aircraft without engines or power therefrom ultimately wind-up going downhill 'coz of gravity.

Off now, back soon :)

[Lightning Mate]

All I can think of, looking at its' likely age, is "thermal" or "slope" soaring.

Hope you bought some poison at the supermarket on the way home.

Where the http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/censored.gif is everyone else.........?

This Lightning has lost radar lock!:ugh:

[SincoTC]

I'm back, but they were fresh out of poison :p

We in the UK all remember the year this Sport Glider first flew in a Southern European country as one of great inactivity!

[Lightning Mate]

Issa sumfink to do with the word "breeze" ?

Is this connected to your last challenge at all?

Does Wasserkuppe ring a bell?

[Lightning Mate]

Can't log out - nite mate.

[SincoTC]

Sorry mate, my sodding connection keeps dropping, not connected with my last challenge, nor Wasserkuppe

If it helps and I'm sure it won't, that suggestion of Breeze means absolutely nothing to me!

Have you got the country yet? only fifteen larger in Europe!

Not that many aircraft manufacturers there, but the engineers from one of them helped with the building of this and other gliders on an amateur basis, saying The work was done in the evenings - after school, after work.

The design engineer Hermann Winter was there in 1925 (before his career at Fieseler) the country is now obvious!

They named their gliders after military "National Heroes", Vekilski, Drang, and Toprakchiev, the first of these is the challenge machine.

These Gliders don't appear in the wiki list of aircraft produced by this fairly well known company, but they are shown on a Russian website (just love that 225, an elegant giant!) and others, they're listed under the company name and the UK's "striking year"!

Well, there should be enough there to goggle your way to the challenge, but this won't be helped by the fact that the underlying text is not in english, as witnessed by the translation of the challenge's page, which reads as total gibberish!! :uhoh:

[SincoTC]

Just nobody about!!:{

To summarise the clues (Three steps to success)!!

Checkout the clues in red (the company/country will come from the second highlight)

[skytrain10]

From the clues it must be the DAR Zdravka glider from Bulgaria?

[SincoTC]

Welcome home skytrain and thank you 'coz I'm going to be pretty busy today!!

It is indeed the Bulgarian DAR Zdravka Sport Glider of 1926 :D

I don't know if you've tried to make sense of the translated entry on the airwar site. I know I began to regret choosing it when it came to extract meaningful clues that would come up in a goggle search without resorting to Russian!!

skytrain10 has control :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning everyone. :)

I'm busy all morning, but I'll join you around lunchtime.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Sinco...yes, some of the Airwar translations are "interesting" to say the least :)

Here's a quick one to think about:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/a310f677.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Artnoon skytrain. :)

Twin Lamblins.........Japanese?

[skytrain10]

Good call David...yes, Japanese.

[Lightning Mate]

Another thought.

The additional tailplane looks like a modification, so did this start as a landplane?

[skytrain10]

The additional tailplane looks like a modification, so did this start as a landplane? Not sure that the tail has been modded and its not "additional" but you are right in that this is derived from a landplane :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

I assume it was a recce ship.

Mitsubishi?

[skytrain10]

I assume it was a recce ship.

Mitsubishi?
Yes to both :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

It's got the tail of the B1M/2MT, but apart from that nothing fits.:\

[skytrain10]

Well, close enough...its the Mitsubishi 2MT4, a one off floatplane conversion of the B1M1. No photo on the net, just the 3-view.

All yours mate :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Just came back having found your 3-view and guess what!!!!

Nice one mate - please standby.

[Lightning Mate]

Here you go mate, we'll stay with floats.......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/jumpyousod-2.jpg

[RegDep]

Gentlemen, greetings from Waimar, the town of Goethe, Schiller, and a bunch of others - a two-day trip with my daughter.

LM yours looks like Scaffoldings Mk 3 :8

Or Tarrant Tabor on floats.

extract meaningful clues that would come up in a goggle search without resorting to Russian! Try sometimes www-dot-translate-dot-ru. I think it produces better translations from Russian to English than Giggle (although I have not really systematically compared). The site is in Russian, but intuitive enough.

[Lightning Mate]

'abend Reg.:)

Excellent shot with the Tarrant Tabor mate. :ok:

Sadly it isn't...............:E

[Lightning Mate]

(although I have not really systematically compared).

Try.......

www.comparethemeerkat.com (http://www.comparethemeerkat.com)

[RegDep]

Did they ever put Bristol Type 26 Pullman on floats?

[Lightning Mate]

No........

[Lightning Mate]

Schlafen sie gut Reg.

Nacht. :zzz:

[RegDep]

Friedrichshafen FF.60

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/ff60-1.png

Jetzt aber :zzz:

See you in the morning.

[Lightning Mate]

Morgen Reg. :)

It is....it is. :ok:

You have control mate.

[RegDep]

Good morning mate!

A light start for this beautiful Sunday

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-02-27um093130-1.png

[Lightning Mate]

Do I really see contra-totating propellers?? :confused:

Photoshop tells me I do!!

[RegDep]

If you say so you probably do :E.

The specifications say you should.

[Lightning Mate]

Then it's big aeroplane with a big engine.

If not, it's very very silly!

[RegDep]

I think it is silly.

[Lightning Mate]

I have this so far:

tested at Fort Worth 1931

invented by M.M. Egan & D.W. Evans.

NO BLOODY NAME!!

[RegDep]

Naw. Fort McArthur, California, in 1935. (The first version).

[Lightning Mate]

Must go sadly.

If my light stays on it's because I cannot log out.

[RegDep]

I will be off line a couple of hours.

My apologies.

Reg

[skytrain10]

Morning RD. I was thinking that with the clues this would not be too difficult to find...WRONG! The usual searches in Aerofiles have turned up nothing. I have however found what I suspect is the same item that LM had discovered, but as he says that refers to a 1931 design. Time to expand the search....would the engine be a Continental A40?

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Ken.

This one is a sod.

Like you, I at first thought it would be fairly straightforward to find. I have tried the Popular Science archives - nothing.

Certainly the challenge aeroplane was not the first to be so-equipped.

[skytrain10]

Good morning David. I'm beginning to take the view that its not in Aerofiles, or at least if it is, there is no reference to its contra rotating prop, nor Fort Macarthur (note correct spelling!). Yes I tried popular science but as you say nothing. The engine has a distinct resemblence to those on certain Cub models, hence my comment. :ugh:

[Lightning Mate]

Agreed.

1935 Fort Macarthur brought up nothing, and neither did Aerofiles.

Speaking for myself, I think I shall need to wait for another clue.

Please check PM in a couple of minutes.

[Lightning Mate]

Another question.

Was this aeroplane manned?

[Lightning Mate]

Radioplane OQ-2A

[Lightning Mate]

The size explains the need for two tiny contra-rotating propellers!
http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/radioplane_OQ-2_3view_500.jpg

[skytrain10]

Good research David....at least I was right, it wasn't in Aerofiles! I had wondered why we only had the view from above...hides the fact there is no cockpit!

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Ken. ('nuther PM BTW)

I found it via an engine search as opposed to a search engine.

[Lightning Mate]

Gorra PM Ken?

[Lightning Mate]

PM reply - MOVE IT.

Or, in the RT of a fast jet pilot,....."push it up".....

[Lightning Mate]

I will be off line a couple of hours.

My apologies.

Wossa problem Reg? Automobile quit, or are you lost?

[skytrain10]

David, done, check email
Cheers K

[Lightning Mate]

Unable mate.

Please check e-mail!

[RegDep]

Artnoon gentlemen, sorry for my slow.

LM's got it: Radioplane Target Drone RP-5A.

3,865 built.

Light (104 lb) and silly (build so many to destroy them with "friendly fire" :hmm:)

The spelling of Fort MacArthur was that way in the source: Model Aviation Magazine July, 1992.

Your thread LM :D

[Lightning Mate]

Danke sehr Reg.

So, from the Tate Gallery of masterpieces:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/artistry.jpg

[skytrain10]

A project I assume LM....perspective wise, I presume we viewing from the front and above?

[Lightning Mate]

I presume we viewing from the front and above?

Correct on both counts...

[skytrain10]

Interceptor or maybe high altitiude recconaissance?

[skytrain10]

Ok first shot, the Lockheed CL-366?

[Lightning Mate]

An American VTOL project.

Not the Lockheed CL-366.

Try a well-known helicopter company.:ok:

[skytrain10]

Ah. in that case, what about the Bell D118?

Correction....I think its the D139....

[Lightning Mate]

There is dispute about this aeroplane. Many sources describe it as the Bell 188 Vtol.

It's all yours mate. :ok:

See you all next Saturday.

So long, g'day, auf wiedersehen.

[skytrain10]

Hi LM.....the D188 is very similar save that it has two big engines on each wingtip

Stand-by gents....and have a good one David.

[Lightning Mate]

mail x 3 Ken...........:)

Not gone yet - standing by for Fun.........

[skytrain10]

Time for a rotary machine:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/ad8ad55c.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/meerkovo-comcopy.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Time for a rotary machine:

I think that is unmanned as well........innit....

[skytrain10]

I think that is unmanned as well........innit....
Quite the opposite!:)

[Lightning Mate]

B...:mad:...ks

[skytrain10]

Very well put mate :)

[Lightning Mate]

Very well put mate http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Which post wozzat?

I assume
B...http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/censored.gif...ks

[skytrain10]

Thats the one David!

[Lightning Mate]

B...http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/censored.gif...ks

[Lightning Mate]

OK, working on logic - A Bell jobber?

At least American.........???

[skytrain10]

Not a Bell, but yes, American.

[Lightning Mate]

So it's in Aerofiles...?

[skytrain10]

Not in Aerofiles :)

[Lightning Mate]

B...http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/censored.gif...ks

I must now go and pack for next week.

Goodbye everyone - if my light stays on it's because I cannot log out, but I will eventually disappear!

[RegDep]

Hillberg Rotermouse EH 1-01?

[SincoTC]

Good evening gentlemen,

Apologies for absence!! This is the first time since yesterday that I've managed to get past the log-in page, no internet at all yesterday and very slow and unreliable today, the goos news is that at last they've admitted to a line fault and an engineer will be calling Tuesday pm.

Skytrain; you said it was American, but not in Aerofiles, so could it be the Cicare CH-14 Aguilucho ??

On the basis that my broadband router has restarted twice since I logged in a few minutes ago. I must reluctantly ask for an open house if this answer is correct, as there's no way I can consider uploading and monitoring a challenge like this. The router won't even restart without my intervention!

[skytrain10]

Hillberg Rotermouse EH 1-01? Not one of those RD

Skytrain; you said it was American, but not in Aerofiles, so could it be the Cicare CH-14 Aguilucho
Good call Sinco, yes its the Cicare CH-14 from Argentina :ok:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Cicare_CH-14_Aguilucho.jpg/300px-Cicare_CH-14_Aguilucho.jpg

All yours Trevor.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken,

My Bl:mad:y router just restarted while I was adding my edit and you beat me to it with your judgement, I can't blame the router really as BT admit it's a line fault. I hope to have it fixed soon, but for now it will have to be Open House, sorry guys! Go for it Reg, or "sleeve" as LM would say if he was here!

Gone and back again, noticed I'd made a typo making Reg a clergyman, but only just been able to correct it. I'll try and stay online, but if it goes and I can't get online again as yesterday, my light will have to "Time-out"!

[RegDep]

Too easy, I know, but what's the occasion?

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-02-27um090920.png

Edit to say that I did not mind being revered by my fellow ppruner :cool:.

[skytrain10]

It looks like a Voisin Delagrange biplane?

Or maybe the Voisin Standard?

Occasion....anything to do with Houdini?

[RegDep]

Yes Skytrain, it is the Harry Houdini's Voisin Biplane, bought in England, in their first flight in Australia.

I am not well enough versed to say whether that was the first motorized flight in Australia, first sustained motorized flight there, or just Harry Houdini's first flight in Australia, but the picture says "first flight in Australia". Maybe there is some controversy on the subject, too....

All yours!

[skytrain10]

Thanks RD. Here's one to consider....so which way up is it?

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/bbab7b9c.jpg

[RegDep]

I'll be d***ed.

so which way up is it?

No idea, except probably both :8.

The background is some kind of spectators balcony, like in sports arenas. Maybe something to do with aerobatics or air circus.

Mind-boggling.

Edit to say: If you do this, you probably do anything (assuming that this is not photoshopped)

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/6a00d834543b6069e20134896617d9970c-640wi.jpg

[skytrain10]

The background is some kind of spectators balcony, like in sports arenas. Maybe something to do with aerobatics or air circus.
Could well be, as, not surprisingly the aircraft was used in flying displays. The aircraft could indeed operate using either landing gear!

Like the Harvard/T-6 formatiom - who needs floats!

Closing down for the night now, so good night.

[skytrain10]

All quiet so maybe some help is in order. Amazingly this aircraft was adapted from a comparitively well known production light aircraft of the 1930's.

[RegDep]

Good morning Skytrain.

Flipping the picture gives a better picture of the original (I suppose), but still in difficulties. Let's see.......

[skytrain10]

Flipping the picture gives a better picture of the original (I suppose), but still in difficulties. Let's see.......
Like this?
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/bbab7b9c-1.jpg

Not sure it it helps, although it has revealed whats left of the tail of the original (but its been so altered I don't think it would help). To confuse matters further the original was a high wing machine!

[RegDep]

Like that, yes. It's looks seemed to make more sense that way :\.

May it help to assume that this is from the USA and that the original is in Aerofiles? At least I cannot figure out any other nation imaginable producing an idea like this :cool:.

[skytrain10]

It is from the US and both this aircraft and the original from which it was adapted are mentioned in Aerofiles.

Edit, I was thinking...in its "flipped" form with the upper landing gear removed it would like a crop sprayer....that won't help you at all, but just an observation!

Looks like its just you and me this morning.

[SincoTC]

Good morning Ken, 'Tag reg,

Only time for a quick look at coffee break.

I think its the Murphy "Over-and-Under" made from a Taylor E-2 ??

No picture in Aerofiles and no time to look, so it's Open House please if correct, as I'm not going to have much time to spare today.

Back to work now, will try and get back later!

[RegDep]

Found a picture. Good call TC!

Edit to say, looked at it as a crop-sprayer, too :suspect:. You are right, very difficult to see the original if you don't know.

Tried all versions of "upside-down" but somehow did not spot it when looking at "exhibition".

Would be interesting to know if this guy Murphy landed his head down, too. Must be relation to the other Murphy of aircraft industry....."If an aircraft can be landed upside down, it will be landed upside down" :8.

[skytrain10]

I think its the Murphy "Over-and-Under" made from a Taylor E-2 ??

Sinco strikes again, well done mate :ok:. Yes it is the Murphy Over-and-Under from 1935, converted from a Taylor E2 Cub.
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/e44596b2.jpg

Sinco has declared Open House

[skytrain10]

Anyone? I can put up another if you want?

[RegDep]

Please do if you one handy.

[skytrain10]

Ok, in that case:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/64690e34.jpg

[RegDep]

Why wouldn't that be Grunau 9 ”G-27”

Or Vaapsahainen

[skytrain10]

Why wouldn't that be Grunau 9 ”G-27”
Because its not! However you are very close....what evolved from the Grunau 9?

[RegDep]

At least SG-38. That would explain the closed support of upper struts.

Or even Slingsby Type 38 Grasshopper...

Edit: found a picture in Frightglobal: Slingsby TX1 Grasshopper

[skytrain10]

SG38 it is :ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/ff6cb21a.jpg

A Belgian military example in this case.....your control RD

[RegDep]

Thanks skytrain!

To brighten the day:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-02-28um144415-1-1-1.png

[skytrain10]

I've put my sunglasses on! :cool:

A project I assume? No visible power plant so maybe rocket powered, or perhaps a rear pusher prop?

[RegDep]

:cool:

A project. No rocket(s), no rear pusher propeller(s).

[skytrain10]

So a glider then? Unless there is a hidden air intake somewhere?

[RegDep]

Two jet engines. You'll be surprised when you see the air intakes.

[skytrain10]

Taking a break for lunch....light will remain on...be back soon.

[skytrain10]

Two jet engines. You'll be surprised when you see the air intakes.
Well as they are not on view, I'll guess either beneath the fuselage or maybe recessed in to the tailplane like the Gulfstream Peregrine?
No visible weapons stations so a trainer design? European?

[evansb]

SUPAERO Petit Canard ?

[RegDep]

European.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/pc.gif

Aaaa. The New continent has awoken.

evansb spot on!

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/petit_canard_pcg.jpg

Petit Canard, the project of SUPAERO university in 1970s. 2003 to 2008 a subject to various student restoration and testing work. Never made it to fly. Since 2008, part of the displayed collection of Conservatoire de L'Air de l'Espace d'Aquitaine (CAEA), at Bordeaux-Mérignac airport.

The current "Institut Supérieur de l’Aéronautique et de l’Espace" (ISAE) was created in 2007 from the merger of the two prestigious French "Grandes Ecoles": SUPAERO (1909) and ENSICA (1945).

evansb has the thread!

[skytrain10]

Oh bugger! I've actually seen it and photographed it...but when I saw it was a project it never crossed my mind to look at something that had been built, albeit not flyable! Nice one Reg, and good call Bri :ok:

[evansb]

Thanks Reg. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH110228.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Italian, posibly?

[RegDep]

Warner Scarab engines?

[skytrain10]

Interesting....looks like it was designed for speed? A USSR design?

[evansb]

Not Warner Scarab powered. Yes, it is possibly Italian.

[RegDep]

Found a similar aluminum-cast model but with in-line engines and that was de Havilland Comet DH.88 (which yours is not)...... "Built for speed".

[skytrain10]

Fiat engines?

[evansb]

Yes, FIAT engines. It was speedy for it's day, capable of 500 km/h, others say 485 km/h.

[RegDep]

IMAM Ro.57

[evansb]

RegDep is correct.:ok: The IMAM Ro.57. You have control

[RegDep]

Thanks evansb!

Let's try this one

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/image048-1.jpg

[HappyPass]

1st post in the thread, hullo everybody
Looks quite similar to a Stearman-Hammond Y to me, not 100% sure on the model though...
Adrian Owen

[RegDep]

Hallo HappyPass, welcome to joint the other happy fellows of Silhouette Challenge.

I hope you stay and enjoy with us!

But :sad: sorry to say the challenge is not Stearman-Hammond. Keep on!

[HappyPass]

I searched for a limit to the number of entries or something but found nothing...so I will indulge in a supplemental attempt.
A Schelde S.20, perhaps? :rolleyes:
Adrian Owen

[RegDep]

HappyPass there is no entry rule (the only one is the PPRuNE rule, that stipulates that you cannot post more often than every 120 seconds :E)

The challenge is not Schelde S.20 but you are on the correct side of the Atlantic now. I can see what you are seeing, but you cannot see that this one has no twin booms :8.

Reg

[skytrain10]

Evening RD....French possibly? Did it fly? (from the background it looks like it came from the same source as your last challenge!)

[RegDep]

Skytrain not French, and it did not come from the same source, Just new camo scheme of my posts to derail you. More continental if you get my drift :oh:.

And it did fly. 148 km/h, max height 2300 m.

Edit to say that there is, however, a certain commonality with my previous post.

[RegDep]

HappyPass we seem to have lost the most part of our resident attendance. Some of the regulars are away from their computers, so this will be a quieter than normal week.

The challenge is not an easy one. Te rule is that the challenge needs to be pictured in the web, This one is, but you wouldn't find it by googling - you need to find the site and see the picture there. In case of non-English sites (as this would be) you probably will need to do your search in the language in question.

But don't give up. This is great fun. I took me almost a year to find a couple of the tricks, and some more.

So, I'll give you this: This is a Russian university student project from the 1950s. Go find it. If you need clues, come and ask. I'll help you as long as I stay awake.

Reg

[HappyPass]

RegDep thanks for all the infos and tips, it is great fun indeed!
my last googling attemps were in the right direction (first Poland, then Russia) thanks to the "continental" tip, but I still have some way to go.
Being an aviation enthusiast (even if more interested in flightsims and airliners than in vintage, but with a soft spot for failed concept planes) I think I will pay a visit to this thread from time to time... and will try my best to polish my skills and sharpen my brain!
Best regards
Adrian Owen

[RegDep]

Good HappyPass! Do that. I will turn in now for my short beauty sleep. 'Till tomorrow.

Reg

[SincoTC]

Guten Tag Reg,

Following up on those clues you gave :ok:

I find the Kharkov Aviation Institute's HAI-17, a student project of 1957 led by VV Reshetnikov.

I'm sorry, but I'll have to ask for another Open House as I'm going to be in meetings all morning, but I'll get back when I can.

[RegDep]

Good morning TC. HAI-17 it is :ok:

I was just contemplating on a 12-hour clue :cool:.

TC has requested Open House.

[skytrain10]

As things are very quiet, here's one to keep it moving along:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/e949597b.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Ken!

Are those windows alongside the observer's position, within the fuselage?

M

[RegDep]

1934 Meridionali Ro.37?

Reg

Edit to say: No but having seen Meridionali's 3D could not be that far off :\

[skytrain10]

Hi Martin
Are those windows alongside the observer's position, within the fuselage?
Sorry, its not too clear from the silhouette. Yes those are indeed windows within the fuselage immediately aft of the lower wing.

[RegDep]

1937 I.A.R. 37 through 39, then?

Edit to say, that it looks mostly like 37.

[skytrain10]

Hi RD, yes its the IAR 37 from Romania.:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/3f109582.jpg

RegDep has control

[RegDep]

Thank skytrain!

Here is our next puzzle

[http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/s-1.jpg

[evansb]

SAAB B17B Svenska ?

[RegDep]

Ha! So easy was it. SAAB 17.

evansb has the thread :D

Edit to say: Sorry. Not easy at all. Just good research, evansb :O

[evansb]

Yeah, it was easy. Here is one that may not be too easy:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH110301.jpg

[RegDep]

Here is one that may not be too easy

You mean not Russian?

[evansb]

Not a bit Russian, this one.

[RegDep]

So what's the big idea? STOL?

[RegDep]

HappyPass I see you lurking

a soft spot for failed concept planes

Now you have a chance of lifetime: Tell us what this is.

[HappyPass]

lurkin' since this mornin'...
now was havin' supper :O
start browsin' now...
Adrian Owen

[evansb]

STOL? Sort of. The big idea was to operate from unimproved airstrips at hot and high altitudes.

[skytrain10]

Big idea implies it never came to fulfilment....was this actually built?

[RegDep]

Hot and high altitude. Where would you have that to justify an aircraft project which is not a bit Russian? Chilean, Argentine, or Peruvian? French for Algeria? India?

[evansb]

Yes, one aircraft was built and it flew, very briefly. It was not built nor designed in any of the countries mentioned.