Silhouette challenge

[Noyade]

Ok.

Well, look mate, it's cooling off here...it was 30 C, so I'm going outside to drink a few Crown Lagers and contemplate life. When I've done that maybe Mel will have posted.

Catch ya later!

[Lightning Mate]

+30C!

How about this:

We've got our beers and wine outside the conservatory - it's several degrees colder outside than the fridge!

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Martin. :)

[Ridge Runner]

Guten Tag, David!!!! How are you keeping?

[Lightning Mate]

Not so bad mate, considering I only have 20% blood flow to my lower left leg.

Where's Mel?

[Lightning Mate]

Graeme,

Almost two hours since your last post.

Tinnies or bottles? - how many so far?

[Noyade]

Four bottles.

Lot of mozzies outside and there's a locust problem...

I only have 20% blood flow to my lower left leg.


Not good mate. Not good at all.

[Noyade]

Just noticed that the thread has broken the 700,000 views barrier...:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

It aint mate - it aint.

Wossa locust and mozzie? :E

I know a Mossie called the "Timber Terror".

Looks like Mel is..........................................


Just noticed that the thread has broken the 700,000 views barrier.

Amazing, since we're all such boring old bar stewards (well at least you are).

[Noyade]

contemplate life20% blood flow to my lower left leg.Life can suck mate. I truly hope things improve for you. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Yeah mate - contemplate life with one leg.

On a brighter note:

If it's going to be quiet here over Xmas you can standby for some teasers again. :)

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry to hear that, David! Here's hoping for something better for you!! M

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks mate.

They say a fighter pilot never lives in fear - :mad:

[Ridge Runner]

I've lost the plot! Who are we waiting for?

[Lightning Mate]

Mel.......


I've lost the plot!

That's you removed from the fighter pilot selection process then! :E

[Noyade]

I've lost the plot! You at home on a PC Martin? Or on that Berry thing?

We have a Telstra T-Hub that has internet access which you can use around and outside the house....but I find it too small and difficult to navigate. I don't know how you manage it on a phone.

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/8749/images5164097.jpg (http://img802.imageshack.us/i/images5164097.jpg/)

[drawbarz]

Morning (Just!) All,

What's happening?

J.

[Lightning Mate]

Well, all I can say is that Mel knows the rules very well........

We have a stalled thread so I'm off. When I log off, it is likely that my green light will stay on.

My e-mail account is open.

[Lightning Mate]

What's happening?

Good morning John.

Mel was given control by Graeme at 0753 UTC - page 950 post#18996.

[Noyade]

Gents, try and have a "Merry" Christmas. :ok:
Catch you all another time.

Cheers
Graeme.

[Ridge Runner]

Hi all!!!!!

Sorry to miss you Graeme and David....

I'll stay on in case you come back

RR

[Lightning Mate]

I'm back mate.

Found my green light on but not logged in. :ugh:

Been busy making hay whilst the sun shines - lots of challenges, some for other people.

[MReyn24050]

Sorry guys for holding up the proceeding got called away from my own PC so I must declare Open house.
Mel

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/notfighter.jpg

Do speed up Martin.....

[Lightning Mate]

Merry Christmas Mel. :):)

[Ridge Runner]

Blimey! It smacks of being French?

[Lightning Mate]

.....:=.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/fishhook.gif

Better when the tide comes in............

[Lightning Mate]

That's about an hour here to high water. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Blimey! It smacks of being French?

Wheressat?

Nein.

[Lightning Mate]

Evening one11. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Sing after me......

....all by myself......

[SincoTC]

Not any more mate!

I Just got home and have got to prepare something to eat, but thinking about your challenge while so doing. I see you rebutted Martin's suggestions of French in German as you have just done on WC, I await your response to sycamore with interest!

There's a lot of dihedral there for a high winger and an apparently high position for the pilot. One seat or two and no passengers? It has the look of the twenties about it, anywhere near?

Edited to say I've just seen your WC response, rather as I suspected as you did greet Martin first thing in the same manner, so it's just "German Mode" (too much talking to das auto)!

So is this one not German too, is it North American ?

[Lightning Mate]

It's a Yank mate. :)

...and it was Martin who greeted me today in German mode......

[Lightning Mate]

150hp Comet engine.

There you go..........

[SincoTC]

Oops; so it was :O !!

Supper ready now, I shall return!

Just sent you a PM

[SincoTC]

Dihedral + high-wing = stability = Maximum Safety M-3

Supper getting cold now, satisfied!

[Lightning Mate]

Replied to PM, but now irrelevant.

:D:D

You have the thread - and what a choice you have.;)

[Ridge Runner]

Thaden T-2?

[SincoTC]

Thanks mate,

Might as well stick to numerical order, that's 040 ta

[Ridge Runner]

er... so what was it?????

[Lightning Mate]

Maximum Safety M3, as at post 19041. :)

Here's something from TC:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/TC_wtf040.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Can I have some of wot you're on RR? :E

On second thoughts - forget it - I'm on a rather nice Scotch jobber. :ooh:

[Ridge Runner]

Dihedral + high-wing = stability = Maximum Safety M-3



I thought that was a formula!

can we see the original please

RR

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like you have the thread to yourself Martin!

Have fun.........

can we see the original please

Standby please mate...

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/MaximumSafetyM3.jpg ye go RR:

[Lightning Mate]

I thought that was a formula!

Except that they manufactured aeroplanes and I have already posted another of their products. ;)

The above image is on Aerofiles.

[Lightning Mate]

Looks like you have the thread to yourself Martin!

Er..wrong of me - looks like you have Mechta for company. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Painkiller time again - nite nite all.

See you tomorrow, and have fun. :zzz:

[SincoTC]

Goodnight LM, sleep well!

Just when I thought we were going to get the offer of a lecture on Dihedral Effect and Spiral Mode!

[Mechta]

I'm here, but just popping by for a look. I'll be in the doghouse if I don't get on with something more useful at home!

[SincoTC]

Only me online; never seen that before!!! :zzz::zzz:ZZZZZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzz

[Lightning Mate]

You're not alone any more. :)


Just when I thought we were going to get the offer of a lecture on Dihedral Effect and Spiral Mode!

could do........

[SincoTC]

Good Morning LM,

Not right now thanks; the player (??) might get Yawn Coupling and Roll over in bed (especially the Dutch ones (where has Ton got to??)).

How's the pin,; did the PK+ZZzz work OK?

Edited to say new Page

[Lightning Mate]

If lateral stability > directional stability = Dutch roll

If directional stability > lateral stability = spiral instability (spiral dive)

As altitude increases, lateral stability decreases at a lower rate than directional.

Therefore propensity to Dutch roll increases with altitude and spiral instability decreases.

Well, you almost asked........

Sorry - crossed posts :\

[Lightning Mate]

The above post will evaporate soon.


How's the pin,;

What pin?

[SincoTC]

Leave it up mate!

Pin = Leg!

[Lightning Mate]

Apologies - not yet fully awake. :confused:

Maybe we'll need to re-post 040 shortly.

[SincoTC]

That would probably be a good idea, thanks!

Not really a stability thing, but I'm, sure the bird wing emulator man, Mr Bonney would have been fascinated by it. Have you seen this? (A-380 gust alleviation)

YouTube - SQ A380 001.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqLyKwx8KNE&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

[Lightning Mate]

For anyone just coming on-thread, this is a repeat of the latest challenge from TC.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/TC_wtf040.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Festive greetings boys!!!!

[SincoTC]

Ah, a player!!

Good morning Martin; wishing you a a happy Christmas and New Year :ok:,are you back in the UK now, shivering with us?

[Ridge Runner]

Yes mate, been back for a couple of weeks now. Not away again until January. Good to be home though!

Have a great Xmas and NY!!!!!!! Maybe "see" you later?

M

[Ridge Runner]

Fishing.....

is the latest a Jerry?

[Arado]

I presume that IS an extension of the planform above the nose of the challenge?
Not seen anything like it before: obviously looking in the wrong places ho ho.

Best wishes to you all, from a long-time lurker.


Arado

[SincoTC]

Not German RR, but on the right continent!

Best Wishes to you too Arado :ok::ok:

Yes it was the true shape of the L/E and it certainly was a weird planform for its day, but a favourite of its designer with other similar looking aircraft in a fairly short career!

[Lightning Mate]

TC - e-mail. :)

[SincoTC]

Sorry LM, at home now and VPN down until New Year so no home email, can you PM it?

Edited say that I will be going in to work over the holidays to check emails, deliveries etc, but not 'til next week, so if it's not urgent I'll pick it up then.

[Lightning Mate]

I'll try - it's a PDF document though.

[Lightning Mate]

PM for TC...

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM, received and replied sir!

Edited to say response received; brilliant :ok: over and out.

[Lightning Mate]

Why did RAF CHIVENOR Close?? (http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/372817-why-did-raf-chivenor-close.html)

Last two pages interesting.......

[SincoTC]

OK Guys,

Things aint exactly galloping on this one (understandable at this time of year), so I am going out now for a couple of hours or so, to do some essential last minute chores now that the snow has released its icy grip!!

I'll turn my light off now and put on when I return, be patient and check out LM's link while waiting, it's well worth a look.

TC

[Jig Peter]

PM inbound

Jig Peter

:cool::cool:

edit : Dud round ...

Nevva mind, 'twas just to send Seasonal wishes, and NOT send rude fighter-pilot-type remarks about asymmetric landing gear.
Festive alcohol can also have a bad effect on main gear operation ...

Cheers and crossed fingers
from
The "Daily Lurker".

[skytrain10]

Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and best wishes for the New Year.

May Santa bring you what you wished for.....

Cheers

And Sinco....no idea on the challenge, but now I've finally finished work I'll try and give it some thought. Like RR I was wondering whether it was German. The wingspan seems quite short in relation to the fuselage - would it be a racer?

[skytrain10]

And after investigation - the Dobkevicius D.III from Lithuania?

[Lightning Mate]

So there you are.....

Now perhaps I will be able to play shortly. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Jig Peter.

Orrabest John , and may both engines remain running.

Nothing worse than a Meteor on one.......

Err, correction - a Jaguar on one.http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/worry.gif

No, no, it's a Jaguar on none. My Martin Baker tie reckons so.......

[SincoTC]

Well done Ken,

I'm glad my absence didn't unduly hamper your search, it is indeed the Dobkevicius D.III a Fighter, its designer Jurgis Dobkevicius had built two similar aircraft, but died in the D.III when he hit trees while landing two years after its first flight in 1924. The aircraft showed excellent performance and 185 were built for the Latvian Air Force.

skytrain10 has control

[Lightning Mate]

This is Major Tom to Tryskrain.........

[skytrain10]

Thanks Sinco. A nice challenge,

Sorry for the delay guys. Here's one to consider on this Christmas Eve:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/b039943a.jpg

[SincoTC]

Happy Christmas Day to all Silhouette Challengers and "Lurkers" from The Stig
:ok::ok::ok:

Skytrain's current Challenge; initial thoughts of seaplane were tempered by the two-blade, wide chord prop and the large aileron deflection, prompting thoughts of something small and twitchy and could that be an aerial on the fin? So a sub-scale model of a project or maybe a UAV.

Searched on that hunch and came up with Warrior (Aero-Marine) Gull 36 UAV

Sorry guys, but I have to love you and leave you; it's an early start of visiting friends and relations and I won't be back 'til late tonight, therefore, please declare Open House if skytrain confirms. Y'all have a great day!!

[skytrain10]

And a MERRY CHRISTMAS to one and all.

Well done Sinco, it is indeed the Warrior Gull from Aero Marine :ok:
Warrior (Aero-Marine) - Gull - Introduction (http://www.warrioraero.co.uk/GULL/index.htm)

Not sure if anyone else is around, but its Open House.

Enjoy the day......

[Lightning Mate]

I'm around.:)

[Lightning Mate]

Cars all locked away, so I'll get this up before partaking of what will undoubtedly be too much lunatic broth:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/dontbelievethis.jpg

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon LM,

Very cold conditions and a clear sky prompted early RTB while temperatures still a modest -6 C and my road and drive are just managable.

As expected, not many players around today!

I think your latest is the Rheinmetall-Borsig 'Rheintochter'

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening to you TC - I hope you have had an enjoyable day. :)

The Rheintochter it is mate. :D

Wanna one next - 041?

[Lightning Mate]

Surely only a couple of knackered 63 year olds could keep the thread going on Christmas day! :yuk:

hic....

[norwich]

Excuse me but there is a younger element in the sidelines :=

Always looking in HAPPY CHRISTMAS to all .....

Keith Newsome ;)

[SincoTC]

Sad innit mate!! I did have a good day thanks and hope you did too!

041 is fine by me

By one year I see KN !!! Keep it up mate :ok: and Happy Christmas to you too!

[Lightning Mate]

Excuse me but there is a younger element in the sidelines :=

Always looking in HAPPY CHRISTMAS to all...

Norwich eh? Spent three happy years at Coltishall 1971-73.

Norwich = Nickers Off & Ready When I Come Home.

That's the way it was in the Lightning Force.....Happy Xmas to you too mate.

So TC, here is your latest:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/TC_wtf041.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

A Lightning mate of mine at Coltishall had a Labrador. The great call in the bar was:

"show us what the girls in Norwich do".

Said dog would lie down on its' back and legs in the air.

You have no idea just how accurate that pose was......:E:E:E

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM.

Oh dear; I just realised that I left the details of the first four I sent you on my computer at work :mad: t**t!! Oh well; I'll have to solve my own :mad: challenge before anyone asks for clues :confused:

[Lightning Mate]

Oh dear mate.

Can't help - it's wft_041!

Mind you, if it's just the first four, wanna one of the latter ones?

[SincoTC]

No Ta mate; I gorrit now :)

OK mate; Sleep well.

I expect this'll last until something stirs in the Principality, in which case it's a gonna http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/eek.gif!

[Lightning Mate]

Glad about that................

A certain Lightning is down to bingo fuel and is RTB.

Catcha tomorrow.......:zzz:

[SincoTC]

I'm only off work until Boxing Day. Will be away tomorrow and Christmas Day.

Gotta be honest, not the slightest interest in Christmas this year. I'm the ultimate Scrooge

I hope you had a good Christmas Graeme :ok:

I bet Mr Ponting's boys would have liked Boxing Day Off though.....All out 98!!!!!

Don't despair mate! No team batting last has ever won at the MCG and we've got to survive 40+ overs tonight :eek:

[Lightning Mate]

Morning TC. :)

....don't mention cricket....

If you're out there Graeme we'd like to see you.

Very slow thread, as expected.

[SincoTC]

Morning LM,

....don't mention cricket...
Well, he did mention it first!! :)

Yes mate, slow as expected. It looks like WC may have bogged-down too!

[Lightning Mate]

I'm whiling away time constructing a New Year card for the thread.

[SincoTC]

Gotta go offline for a 2 to 3 hours; will put ligh back on when I return.

Clue: the challenge aircraft comes from between the World wars.

[Lightning Mate]

In order to circumnavigate the inevitable Christmas chat, here again is the latest challenge from TC:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/TC_wtf041.jpg

PM for TC....

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM,

PM received and reply airborne!

[Lightning Mate]

The longest watch...................

[Noyade]

Don't despair mate! We're screwed!

Clue: the challenge aircraft comes from between the World wars. That's your clue?!

I'm screwed!

[Lightning Mate]

There you are at last - it's been lonely with just two of us here.

Hope you had a good Xmas.

[Noyade]

It was OK....

Yours?

it's been lonely with just two of us here.Get use to it. I'm going shortly. Be back tomorrow night. :)

Cheers! :ok:

[SincoTC]

Good evening Graeme,

I hope you had a Good Christmas!

We're screwed!

Probably; but never underestimate the ability of our boys to grab defeat from the jaws of victory!! Although, they would have to be pretty bad to do that now.

Yes, it was my clue, 'coz there was nobody about!

Another snippet it's from Western Europe and still exists

Edited to say Bugger; looks like I missed him; there must be a lot of Bond movies on the box tonight :) !

Snippet answers your PM LM

Going offline for a while now, will put light on when I return later this afternoon.
Please feel free to post guesses, questions or stabs in the dark! I shall return!!

[RegDep]

From Western Europe and still exists, but a museum is in Thailand or Sri Lanka?

Greetings from a train in a rather erratic trip somewhere in snowy Germany.

[Lightning Mate]

Guten tag Reg.:)

Check e-mail when you get home - it's about 01 June 1981.

[SincoTC]

Guten Tag Reg,

Now, now; would I be that devious :E ! No, the museaum is in the country of its birth!

Hoping your trip concludes in a safe and reasonably timely manner.

[RegDep]

Hallo Sinco. OK. Not that devious. Then less. Let's see.

Travel was OK considering the weather. Only some two hours delay on a scheduled six hour trip, which would be considered a success these days, I should say. And the German Bundesbahn will pay back 50% of the fare because of the delay. Travelers' Rights, you see!

A lot of widgets on the nose of the challenge, by the way.

Or are they gadgets? Too old to tell the difference, I am.

[SincoTC]

Welcome home (I presume) Reg,

That journey doesn't sound too bad, considering the weather, and the refund from the Bundesbahn eases the pain I imagine :)

A pretty standard three-cylinder radial is responsible for the widgets!

Edited to say:

Well Reg, your light still on, but I don't know if you're still about!

I'm just having a few beers and watching an Agatha Christie detective movie on the TV, so I'll be here for quite a while yet if you want to try casting a little bait before I doze off!!

I would say, knowing as I do about what's on the net on this little 'plane, that finding its country of origin is almost essential. So don't forget it's from Western Europe.

[RegDep]

Sorry Sinco, despite good intentions I just faded out last night. Travel was tougher than I thought :uhoh:.

until something stirs in the Principality

Was this a clue, too?

[RegDep]

How about Kreit Lambrinck KL 1 (2?) (OO-ANP) at Brussels Air Museum, Belgium

[SincoTC]

Guten Tag Reg,

No apologies required mate!

Was this a clue, too?

It was in a way; referring to our fellow player from Wales (skytrain10) who "discovered" a certain very usefull Belgian website!

Possibly my last clue (beer and fictional detective) stirred memories, as I know you also found the site chasing one of skytrains challenges.

Well done! It is indeed the Kreit Lambrinck KL 2 (OO-ANP) :D

RegDep has Control :ok:

[RegDep]

Thanks Sinco.

In fact, I was somehow transfixed to the Principalities and thought the only principality where an aircraft would have been built and an aviation museum would exist were Luxembourg (not Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, nor San Marino). As there were none in LX, I wondered what would be another inconspicuous (:E) country and looked at Swiss and Belgian Aviation museum lists. Beer, facial hirsutism (I think thats what Agatha Christie called it), cloak or magnifying glass I had overlooked.

I don't think LM has anything for me now, so Open House, while I will send something to him.

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning, guten tag, & possibly good evening. :)

[SincoTC]

Thanks Reg; that's why I said it was a clue only "in a way", it was really a coded message to LM.

Had you been around I would have phrased it differently, as skytrain's profile only mentions Pembrokeshire and although he has discussed the weather in Wales recently, the term Principality is rather obscure for a non-UK national, but you were away at the time and I thought that the challenge would be solved before your return, especially as skytrain had put in an appearance earlier!

Sorry for any confusion, but at least you did get there ultimately!!

Be aware that Graeme has "threatened" to return today :) too; so we may get a response to your Open House!

Edited to say: Good morning LM and G'day Graeme if you're out there!

[Lightning Mate]

it was really a coded message to LM

.....and what a good one!

I stick to my rules though - if it's a proxy post.

I wonder if I'm the only player with several OH options available.

Be aware that Graeme has "threatened" to return today http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif too; so we may get a response to your Open House!

Shall we give him a chance then!

[Lightning Mate]

I wonder if I'm the only player with several OH options available.

That's a hint for you Reg......

[Lightning Mate]

Sod it - he's gone.

Just you and me TC.

[SincoTC]

I take it that it will require a certain time for you to prepare one for Reg, so the that'll give Wizard a little leeway!

Edited because of crossed post!

Sod it - he's gone.

So he has! Pehaps preparing one for you to treat!

I haven't mentioned a certain sporting event, so maybe you know who is drowning his sorrows!!

I've just had one, so why don't you put one of yours up mate!

[Lightning Mate]

Not at all mate. I have four prepared and I was prepared to donate one to him.

My e-mail account is open and tabbed but nothing from him.


I've just had one

Have you ever - wot a marathon 'enall.

[Lightning Mate]

OK TC,

....biplane, high-wing monoplane or somefink modern?

[SincoTC]

Gotta three-sided coin then? Surprise me, but don't dismay me me with another Cub-alike!! So that's two choices left and we've had quite a few bipes! Is that a choice of modern? :)

[Lightning Mate]

but don't dismay me me with anothre Cub-alike!!

It ain't no Cub lookalike.

[Lightning Mate]

In deference to your preference:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/brownjob.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

I haven't mentioned a certain sporting event, so maybe you know who is drowning his sorrows!!

Methinks not - I don't think he's very serious at all about cricket.

[SincoTC]

You're right there, I was just kidding him in case he was lurking! :)

Is you're sumfink modern of this century or last? A two seater?

[RegDep]

Luxembourg (not Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, nor San Marino)

Sinco, of course I had ggled and found the Principality of Wales, but although I looked for some some websites in Cymraeg, I did not find anything on the challenge :8

BTW: Funny, one looks at (not the Royal One, just me) Wikipedia and reads
"Welsh language
Not to be confused with Welsh English."
Makes me confused. Them too?

Edit to say: Out for household work, back later :sad:.

[one11]

EV-AT ( or Aerotechnik) Eurostar ?

[Lightning Mate]

Is you're sumfink modern of this century or last? A two seater?

This century and a two-seater.

Not the Eurostar.

Edit - hello again Doug.

[one11]

Not the Eurostar.

SportsStar or Harmony varient then ? Thats about all I know about EuroStar look alikes.

Edit - hello again Doug.
Hi LM and other challengers. Hope Christmas was good and New Year better

[Lightning Mate]

Not the SportsStar or Harmony variants either - check the winglets.

[RegDep]

"TL 2000 Sting - in Deutschland als TL 96 Sting"

If not, then "Latest NG version of the Dynamic WT9 - note winglets!"

[Lightning Mate]

Not those either.......

[SincoTC]

Winglets and tail shape = Avia Nordic's Polish Aero AT-4 ??

[Lightning Mate]

That will do me mate.

Also known as the Grobosh G700 in the States, named after its' import company.

Your turn. :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Reg,

How about something for up your sleeve?

[SincoTC]

Thanks mate, I was trying to edit my post to say that the manufacturer was Aero Ltd (Poland) and that Avia Norvic seemed to be distributors for scandiwegia! But my f:mad: connection keeps dropping :ugh:

Next in order please Or if not too late 044 or 045 :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Well mate, 042 was up for less than a minute and I've deleted it.

Standby for another, and if anyone gets off-pissed you may respond.

OK mate - NOT A BIPE:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wtf044.jpg

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM, indeed not a bipe, but that wasn't my reason, see below!

Sorry 'bout that; I didn't see it so hope nobody else did! Same reason as the other day, info about it on another computer!

[Lightning Mate]

PM for TC........

[SincoTC]

Thanks mate; PM received, answer is, indeed it is!

I am going off-line for about an hour, quick sortie to shops, back soon!

Light off

[Lightning Mate]

Same reason as the other day, info about it on another computer!

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/pencilpaper.jpg :E:E

[RegDep]

Are the clouds a red herring? IAW did the thing really fly (or was it yet another "Design 'B'"?)

[Lightning Mate]

The artist may not answer questions, only the poster. :E

[RegDep]

A drawing-board Hawker from late '40s?

[SincoTC]

I come back, but I go again, back soon!

Reg

A project; one of many, none flown. However, a spin off of this project did evolve into a small fighter that was flown, but it didn't enter service.

Not Hawker, but right decade, seeya soon!

[RegDep]

small fighter that was flown, but it didn't enter service

So, not a Folland.... Assuming Gnat was a Midge gone in service......

Something for F.6/42

(Boulton Paul P.99, Boulton Paul P.100, Hawker Type P.1018, Hawker Type P.1019, Hawker Type P.1020, Folland Fo.117a, Miles M.42, Miles M.43, Miles M.44)

Gone shopping.

[Jig Peter]

PM inbound for you,
JP

[Lightning Mate]

Replied JP.

[SincoTC]

Gone shopping.

One out, one in! I'm back now.

Reg:

I said it wasn't a Hawker, but I didn't say it was British 'coz it wasn't.

[Lightning Mate]

e-mail for Jig Peter. :)

TC,

If this runs over a page I'll post it again.

[Lightning Mate]

TC,

Apart from JP and I, you are alone - AGAIN!!!

.....'spose it's a good time to leave you wivit mate..........

[Jig Peter]

and for you, LM ...

[SincoTC]

Current Challenge re-posted to keep in view (and for practice with my new PB account ;))

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/wtf044.jpg

[evansb]

Sncac Nc.1080 ?

[Lightning Mate]

Current Challenge re-posted to keep in view (and for practice with my new PB account http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wink2.gif)


Blimey - I'm off to open a fizzy bottle mate.................:ok::ok::ok:

[SincoTC]

Sorry evansb, it's not French either! FYI there's a single large nose intake.

Thanks LM, now to learn the arty bit!!

[RegDep]

FYI there's a single large nose intake

Back to three dozen Soviet projects :(.

[SincoTC]

In that case Reg, you may be pleased to learn that it's not Soviet either!

[RegDep]

Gone through all of them now. Not pleased. Not your fault either....:*

[SincoTC]

Don't go too far away!!

To Recap and update; an early '40's project, one of many within the same project numeration (and at first glance the Hawker assumption seems likely, although totally false), none were built.

Good luck :ok:

[RegDep]

Could even be Focke-Wulf Twin-Engine Jet Fighter Project of November 1944 (Fw 250) :ooh:

[SincoTC]

Not an FW, but you're getting warmer now. A single jet engine in this variant (there was a twin), but maybe not quite what you think!

An inventor from Munich collaborated with a famous aircraft manufacturer on these projects and they were all German!

[RegDep]

Just confused - should probably eat something (or drink).... Have been looking at SAAB J 29 Tunnan (Barrel) pre-history, bur somehow that does not tie up fully with the clues.

[SincoTC]

Reg, see my edit above, it should help!

If you want even more confusion; ask and I will give you a "literal" clue that will give you the manufacturer and the inventor's names, but that really would be fishing :=

[Lightning Mate]

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[RegDep]

LM wipe that :mad: off your :mad: face!

Any of the approximately 99 Messerschmitt Me P.1101 concocts is my last offer.

Off to fry some haddock fillet :) for supper.

[SincoTC]

Well Reg, you've got the manufacturer, if you take a "literal" knife away from them, you'll have the Munich inventor who worked with them, and his work is a big clue to these projects!

Strangely enough the Hawker projects you mentioned were closer in a way than the P.1101 !! I hope that's not too confusing :E , no really, I do :)

[evansb]

Messerschmitt/Lippisch P.1092/2 ?

[SincoTC]

Sorry evansb, not that!

[Noyade]

G'day Mr Stig!

a spin off of this project did evolve into a small fighter that was flown, but it didn't enter service.Can you tell us what this aircraft was?! :E

Is your silhouette depicted on the Luft 46' site? Can't seem to find it there?

[Noyade]

a spin off of this project did evolve into a small fighter that was flown, but it didn't enter service. Lavochkin La-150/152/168/172/174 family? But I can't trace their history back to Messerschmitt?....

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

The Challenge aircraft is on Luft'46; but as Artwork and not on the Messerschmitt page.

A simple Goggle with the clues given to establish the inventor's work and part of this project, will find the Artwork (of this aircraft but not necessarily the same image) with another Goggle with this invention and the manufacturer!

The spin-off aircraft was another Messerschmitt and is also not shown on the Messerschmitt page but it is on Aviastar.

[Noyade]

Is the tail sitting on the tail-pipe or is there a tail-boom and the angle of the silhouette isn't showing it?

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4010/wtf044.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/i/wtf044.jpg/)

[RegDep]

So, the spin-off was Messerschmitt Me 328

[SincoTC]

No boom Graeme; the fin sits directly on the tailpipe, like the Hunter and Swift.


Reg:

Yes, the Me.328 was the spin-off

[SincoTC]

Graeme and Reg; neck and neck, all this excitement is making my pulse race!!

[RegDep]

Focke-Wulf Fw Ta 183

Hans Multhopp

[Noyade]

Graeme and Reg; neck and neckNot at all mate. I can't figure out why Messerschmitt would have dispensed with the nice looking silhouette design for an ugly twin pulse-jet? Germans, eh Reg? Can't figure 'em. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Reg mate, as LM would say, wot you on?

I told you already that it wasn't an FW and a few posts later that you had ID'd the Manufacturer as Messerschmitt!!

[Noyade]

A simple Goggle with the clues given

To hell with that mate! I have books, and it SHOULD be there!! ;):)

[SincoTC]

I can't figure out why Messerschmitt would have dispensed with the nice looking silhouette design for an ugly twin pulse-jet

Well Mate, I've said that it had a single jet enjine, so follow the instructions at the top of this page and go Goggle!

[SincoTC]

To hell with that mate! I have books, and it SHOULD be there!! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wink2.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

It may well be in a book; but have you got it?? I don't know if it is or if you have it, but I do know that it can be found on Goggle :)

[Noyade]

so follow the instructions at the top of this page and go Goggle!

You sound frustrated mate? How's the heart rate, slowing down?

There is one individual here with a supersonic heart rate...Ricky Ponting! :rolleyes:

[Noyade]

Somewhere here? Behind the secret panels? Which one?

Luft Art - Luft '46 Art Images (http://www.luft46.com/luftart.html)

[RegDep]

At some point I was on something and missed that you had NOT rebutted Messerschmitt.

Messerschmitt Me P.1079/51. Pic on the left Jozef Gatial's Messerschmitt Me P.1079/51 Luft Art Images (http://www.luft46.com/jgart/jg794.html)

Edit to say that I let the haddock simmer in butter, with some scallops, made salad with herbs and had Pfalz Gewürztraminer. As a topping (afterwards) a spoonful of Stilton and Port.

[SincoTC]

You sound frustrated mate? How's the heart rate, slowing down?

No mate; I'm fine, that was just another subtle clue that the engine was a PULSEjet

Poor old Ricky P, better do a rain dance mate!!

[SincoTC]

Reg,

Very nearly there it is a P.1079 but Dash What

Goggle Messerschmitt pulsejet fighter ?? go digital

Edited to say that I see you have! Well done mate, it is the Messerschmitt P.1079/51 Powered by Paul Schmitt's Pulsejet engine.

RegDep has control :D:D

[Noyade]

Messerschmitt Me P.1079. One of them.

:ok:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4958/jg79435878944.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/jg79435878944.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Have I missed again something? Pulsejet?

Slash 51

Noyade: Check Edit times.

[Noyade]

Noyade: Check Edit times.

Pardon?......

[RegDep]

Thanks Sinco, but I do no longer have control of even myself.

Open House.

Hitting the hay :uhoh: :zzz:.

[SincoTC]

Graeme,

When I posted at 23:38 pushing Reg to elaborate on exactly what mark it was, I immediately saw that he had already done that and added the correct /51 to his answer.

Your picture of the pair was posted two minutes later at 23:40 so he just beat you to it (picture but without the /51), but he is now off to bed and has declared Open House.

Do you wanna take it or are you off to work now?

[Noyade]

so he just beat you to it

Mate I was beaten years ago!

No, he's misinterpreted my post. I confirmed his kill by posting the illustration with a "Thumbs Up"...:ok:...see?

Do you wanna take it or are you off to bed too?

I'm out the back presently, cooking up my version of the McDonald's Sausage and Egg McMuffin with bacon....

You got an image to post?

[SincoTC]

Sorry mate I just realised that you wouldn't be off to bed :ugh: Just cooking a hearty breakfast for the condemned Mr P :)

I confirmed his kill by posting the illustration with a "Thumbs Up"...http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif...see?

I see, and I'm sure Reg will too! Well done mate.

Have you got time to put one up as I've just had my turn?

[Noyade]

Sorry for the slow responses...don't want the meat patties and bacon to burn on the barbie...

I've just had my turn?Go again. Got another?

condemmned Mr P http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gifAccording to the media (kangaroo court) he's already lost his captaincy....

[SincoTC]

Here we go then,

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_wtf045.jpg

[Noyade]

Another pulse-jet?

Therefore back to Luft 46' again.....?

[SincoTC]

Yes mate; throbbin' along again, but not German!

The wind/snow from the arctic has now swung to SW off the Atlantic, so all snow gone overnight around here and temperature is nearly 30C warmer than a week ago! Positively Springlike; however, Eastern Seaboard of US had 15 inches of snow yesterday and we usually get what they have two weeks later, so winter's not over yet!

[Noyade]

Do I get 20 questions? :)

Project?
Piloted?
Bomb?
Russian?
1939-1945?

Mention pulse-jet bomb on google and it "bombards" you with the V-1....

[Noyade]

Is this the mystery pulse-jet?...

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9573/sitelogo9799863.gif (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/sitelogo9799863.gif/)

[SincoTC]

Do I get 20 questions? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Project?
Piloted?
Bomb?
Russian?
1939-1945?



Well five maybe!

Answers in same order: No, No, No, No, Yes

Image, not sure, I will check but don't think so! It is similar but I don't have that viewpoint to compare it. What does the caption say it is?

[Noyade]

Answers in same order: No, No, No, No, Yes

Okay mate, thanks!

Gonna get my arse off this chair and do something constructive. Catch ya later.

Cheers.

[Noyade]

Bingo!...

McDonnell TD2D/KDD/KDH Katydid

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9682/td2d17070735.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/td2d17070735.jpg/)

What does the caption say it is?
Flogged it from the net mate...no idea what it is, it was a header for a pulse-jet forum.

(Congrats on the Ashes outcome! :ok::))

[SincoTC]

Gonna get my arse off this chair and do something constructive

Should have screwed tha bails down mate :)

(Congrats on the Ashes outcome! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif)

Thanks mate, you're a sport; it's something for the "Barmy Army" to sing about (if they really need an excuse), you realise that they didn't exist the last time we won the Ashes in Oz!!

Congrats to the "wizard of Oz" too; that's exactly what Katy did! The McDonnell TD2D/KDD/KDH Katydid :D:D

Noyade has control, Seeya tomorrow, have a good evening!! :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Morning TC.

Posting at 0607! Wassamatter - can't sleep?

Evening Graeme.

I reckon you will be home from work very shortly, if indeed you are not already. Now that TC doesn't have a challenge up, maybe I can play. :)

Good call with the airline stewardesses BTW. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Good morning LM,

Never sleep much mate, 3-4 Hrs max! Also, I had a hunch that the Wizard would get it pretty quickly so I thought I'd better check so he can post or OH before bed beckons!

[Noyade]

maybe I can play. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Not only can you play but do you want to post one? Open House?

If not I've got a couple "up me sleeve"...

[Noyade]

3-4 Hrs max!Seriously?!

[Lightning Mate]

Wossa goin' on Graeme?

This is not like you at all!

I've got several ready, but I think I would prefer to play, so throw one up mate (preferably with no spin!).

[Noyade]

Well it's 2130 hrs here....walked down for some Indian food but the service was very slow. Just got back now.

[RegDep]

Hey Ozzie-Wizzie, Indian slowness contagious down there? Come on, post it!

Good Morning other gentlemen.

[Noyade]

OK...

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/931/500rl.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/i/500rl.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

Blimey!. Drop tanks as well.....

[RegDep]

They wave hats like Russians who do not expect the bombers to return.....

[Lightning Mate]

.....or Japs..

[RegDep]

Given the landing gear, let's start with Yokosuka P1Y. Which Slash - no idea.

[Noyade]

Network Error...

Your requested host could not be reached. Please close the browser and retry later.
http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/332082-silhouette-challenge-962.html
Modem problems....

Where were we......err, no, sorry Reg, not a Yokosuka P1Y.

[Noyade]

Which Slash Don't concern yourself with slashes mate. :)

[SincoTC]

Evening Graeme,

Japanese or Russian?

Seriously?!

'fraid so mate; got a painful tendon condition, PKs' don't work so build up natural endorphines while awake, they give two good hours ZZZzz, then they're exhausted and it's awake for half hr to build 'em up again, sleep ten and so on 'til time to get up. Been like it for 25 years, got used to it now!

Suits me though, listen to plenty of radio and think all those years most people spend unconcious that I get to make use of! :E

Guten Tag Reg, a timely poke of the Wizard :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

I'm intrigued as to what is hanging between the left engine and the fuselage, cuz it ain't a tank - they're outboard.

Is it possibly a manned/unmanned missile?

[Noyade]

Japanese or Russian?

In bold. :ok:

Sorry to hear that mate (sleep patterns).....25 years!? Sounds like torture.

[Noyade]

I'm intrigued as to what is hanging between the left engine and the fuselage, cuz it ain't a tank - they're outboard. Is it possibly a manned/unmanned missile?

Not sure mate...the photo is on the net. No tricks. No missiles. I'll go back to Wiki and try to find out...

[Lightning Mate]

In that case something is very strange about it.

Mitsubishi?

[Noyade]

In that case something is very strange about it.Actually I agree, didn't notice it before. There is photo of it on the Wiki site in a museum and the same thing is visible. It looks nacelle/undercarriage door, but not seen on the starboard side....

Mitsubishi?

Not Mitsubishi mate.

[Lightning Mate]

Yokosuka P1Y Ginga?

[Noyade]

Yokosuka P1Y Ginga? not a Yokosuka P1Y.....................

[Noyade]

Hmmmm.....would you all like to see a photo of the Jap Mystery?

[Lightning Mate]

Found a close pic of the Kawasaki Ki-45 Toryu.

[Noyade]

Kawasaki Ki-45 Toryu.

Does look similar, but no cigar....

[Noyade]

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7977/images2147404.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/i/images2147404.jpg/)

[RegDep]

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/mailedD40.jpg

Well yes, it is a Yokosuka P1Y, but just for the kicks of "external tanks".

Nakajima Gekko J1N

Found only two of the waving buddies

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/nakajima-j1n1.jpg

And here you can see how the landing gear cover looks

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Nakajima_Gekko.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Is that as in Nakajima J1N1 Reg?

[Noyade]

Tamiya GekkoI don't know whether to laugh or cry.....:)

[Noyade]

Nakajima J1N1

Yes! The J1N1-Sa to be precise!

Your control....:ok:

Nakajima J1N - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_J1N)

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4334/800pxj1n2s.jpg (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/800pxj1n2s.jpg/)
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1606/niyb.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/niyb.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

This is where I found your photo, which I was just about to post:

www.ijnafphotos.com

Thanks Graeme - please standby.

[Lightning Mate]

Here you go.

Are you working tomorrow Graeme?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/okthen.jpg

[Noyade]

Are you working tomorrow Graeme?

No mate. Next shift is New Year's Eve. You wanna pop round?!

I'll put the kettle on! :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Kettle's no good to me mate - gotta corkscrew?

Pop 'round?

If I can get travel insurance after the op., that might just happen.

Check e-mail mate. :)

[RegDep]

Graeme, I think you shoud cry. I was busy editing my post and correcting it while yoall were already over the edge :8. Look back there. Nice pics.

[Noyade]

Pop 'round?

ie....Pop in - visit - drop by - drop in - have a cuppa....chat....

[Lightning Mate]

It's only about a 22 hour flight, but not too bad in BA Club World.

e-mail......

[Noyade]

Graeme, I think you shoud cry. I was busy editing my post and correcting it while yoall were already over the edge http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/nerd.gif. Look back there. Nice pics.Yeah I knew you were going to get there, but David jumped in with Nakajima. At least you identified the lizard silhouette! :ok:

That undercart door still looks odd to me compared to the starboard side?

[Lightning Mate]

That's because it's a single door, not the more usual double.

[Noyade]

e-mail......

Cheers! :ok:

No idea what yours (silhouette) is, but I'm thinking Aerofiles...

Go get him Reg. :ok:

Catch you all again tomorrow.

[hesham]

Quote;

So, not a Folland.... Assuming Gnat was a Midge gone in service......

Something for F.6/42

(Boulton Paul P.99, Boulton Paul P.100, Hawker Type P.1018, Hawker Type P.1019, Hawker Type P.1020, Folland Fo.117a, Miles M.42, Miles M.43, Miles M.44)

The Contenders in this Specification were; Boulton Paul P.98,Boulton Paul P.99, Boulton Paul P.100,Boulton Paul P.101 Hawker Type P.1018, Hawker Type P.1019, Hawker Type P.1020, Folland Fo.117a, Miles M.42, Miles M.43, Miles M.44,Airspeed,Supermarine,Vickers and Westland J.14.

[RegDep]

Good night Graeme!

For the morning:

At least you identified the lizard silhouette!

In Saigon we had gekkos always on the wall, chirping like small birds (I was not on anything then :O)

That undercart door still looks odd to me compared to the starboard side?
Well, if you look one from port side the starboard side looks the same way :ooh:.
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/J1N-13.jpg