Silhouette challenge

[Noyade]

Fieseler Fi-256?

[skytrain10]

I'm giving up - its all too confusing for me :ugh:

[Ridge Runner]

Martin you are precious!!!http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif Give me a hug mate....LOL


Sorry mate... Did I miss something? In amongst the ramblings I thought I saw Ken declare the last one null and void and thus its OH?

[RegDep]

What were the disclaimers again?

Not French, not a Brit, no Italian...?

Edit to say that this was still for the chainsaw flying boat :8.

Should I go to my room now without supper?

[Noyade]

Martin, see the previous page mate!

[Lightning Mate]

I'm giving up - its all too confusing for me

Me too. I am sure that nobody identified Graemes' flying boat. :\

[Noyade]

Not French, not a Brit, no Italian...?

An early Yank?

Early Yank Reg....

[Noyade]

I'm giving up - its all too confusing for me :ugh:

C'mon mate hang in there! Clues on the way! Don't ya find this just a little bit funny!? :)

[skytrain10]

Nah, don't worry mate, still here!

Unfortunately I'm plagued by slow internet today - can't use the search facility on Aerofiles (or rather I can, but I'll have time to make a cuppa in between each page loading up :)) so I'm limited on where I can look! Clue's to limit my search are therefore welcome!!

[Noyade]

That's the spirit mate! The Colditz grit! :ok:

Yes, it's on Aerofiles. ALL I WANT IS THE MANUFACTURER.

I'm not shouting. I'm drunk.

[Noyade]

Ken. Do you know who this bloke is?...

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7647/220pxkriskristoffersons.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/220pxkriskristoffersons.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Must be the Kristofferson flying boat?

Actually I think the flying boat is spelt with a C - Christofferson?

[Noyade]

:):):):):):):):):):):):D

(replace the "K" with a "C")

:ok:

No correspondence will be entered into....

CONTROL IS YOURS KEN!

(shhhhhh)

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme. I can't access Photobucket at present due to internet probs so will have to be Open House again.

[Noyade]

Martin...please RE-enter the arena.......:)

[Noyade]

Dear oh dear. Five glasses was three too many. Very entertaining evening, intentional or not.

Cheers.

[Ridge Runner]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune011110.jpg

[skytrain10]

American maybe?

[Ridge Runner]

not a yank

[Lightning Mate]

Very interesting set of mass balance weights.

Methinks it must have big ailerons.

German?

[Ridge Runner]

Not German, David

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks mate.

I must go now for a while - have a new computer and need to install stuff.

[Arado]

Auster?
Autocrat or Aiglet?


Arado

[skytrain10]

Is this Russian - it is similar to the Antonov OKA-38, but that undercarriage is all wrong. A variant may be?

[Ridge Runner]

Not an Auster etc

Not Russian mate

[skytrain10]

I think I have it - the IMAM Ro-63 from Italy?

[Ridge Runner]

You're there mate!!!!!

Control is yours!!!!

[Lightning Mate]

Cool shot mate.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Martin - nice one.

Here's a simple one.....
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/724f5707.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

a Jap???????

[Lightning Mate]

The gun looks like a Hispano 404.

Is it a variant of the Welkin that I don't know about?

[Ridge Runner]

I think it might be Argentinian?

[skytrain10]

Not from Japan Martin.

Not a variant of the Welkin David.

I think the guns are Hispano (described as 20mm) but you can't see them in the silhouette - thats a pitot out of the nose!

[skytrain10]

I think it might be Argentinian?Blimey - I'm impressed. Go on......

[one11]

I.AE 30 Namcu

[Lightning Mate]

Awww - nicked from RR at the last minute.

[one11]

Another variation on the high wing single theme .........

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune0111x.jpg

Sorry sorry sorry - just realised it was not LM but Skytrain who needed to confirm.

[skytrain10]

Don't worry one11 - yes its the IAe.30 Nancu from Argentina.

I think you handed that one over on a plate RR! :)

And one11 has control......

[Lightning Mate]

If I see NC on the rudder, this could well be a Yank.

[one11]

If I see NC on the rudder, this could well be a Yank

Yes , too slapdash with the blacking-out. Guess this ones heading for Aerofiles

[skytrain10]

Looks like a Fairchild but I'm sure its not. But is that a Ranger engine?

[one11]

Not Ranger - engined - but a contemporary of the F.24

[Ridge Runner]

That wing looks a bit like a Stinson

[one11]

Not from Stinson

[Ridge Runner]

Ah well.... Have to go. Catch you boys tomorrow!

[SincoTC]

Good evening one11,

I think the engine may be a Menasco and wonder if it's a Swallow C Coupe ?

I have found a photo on Aerofiles, it's taken from a slightly different angle, but it seems to fit fairly well.

Please declare Open House if correct, as I have to be off in a few minutes and haven't had time to get the answer/clues together for my next one fo send to LM. It looks as if I've missed a couple of interesting days!!

[one11]

it's a Swallow C Coupe

One of four built - 3 for the US and one for Chile. SincoTC is correct and has declared Open House

[Lightning Mate]

Oi TC,

wanna 028 up?

Bugger - he's gone.....

[Lightning Mate]

I now have no choice:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/pissedagain.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

It looks as if I've missed a couple of interesting days!!

You are not wrong mate!

People pissed and challenges which have dubious identities.

:mad::mad:

[skytrain10]

Ayres V-1-A Vigilante?

There again nothing under the wings so maybe the Ayres Turbo Thrush NEDS?

[Lightning Mate]

Ayres V-1-A Vigilante?

Right first time mate. :ok:

Now - is everyone sober........?????

[Lightning Mate]

Nothing under the wings????

Welcome to Photoshop............................

[skytrain10]

Nothing under the wings????
The reason I said that is that the Vigilante is usually shown with rocket pods under the wings. The NEDS (which is essentially the same aircraft) doesn't have them!

Anyway a good one - lets give this one a go:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/28190a50.jpg

I'm just about to have dinner now, so will check in an hours time.

[Noyade]

I'm just about to have dinner now, so will check in an hours time.

What would Mrs Ken say it you told her you're going to have dinner at the computer? :)

[Noyade]

Looks Junkers...therefore it's American? :)

[skytrain10]

What would Mrs Ken say it you told her you're going to have dinner at the computer?
I could end up wearing my dinner! She probably would have a lot to say - but very quiet afterwards :)

Looks Junkers...therefore it's American?
Perfect logic mate....:ok:

Check "what cockpit"

[Noyade]

I feel awful then...we rarely use the "dining" table. :( We're the Australian version of The Simpsons....

Nice cockpit ID :ok: You're now aviationally ambidextrous!

(Aviationally?)

[skytrain10]

Want a clue? One of those involved in the design went on to better things, including involvement in several famous aircraft, both before, during and after WWII.

Nice cockpit IDYou could say I'm a cockpit Virgin! Only went on there as I saw your's was the last post at the time. Figured you were two timing us :).

You ever been on What Aerodrome? I got a few last year but it was so slow moving - there'd be a day or so between posts :bored:

[Noyade]

You could say I'm a cockpit Virgin!

Not any more! Want a cigarette?

You ever been on What Aerodrome?

Mate, I couldn't identify a cockpit or an aerodrome if my life depended on it. But I have a lot of cockpit photos (books/magazines..and I'm sure you do to) and just thought I could contribute.

went on to better things,


Hmmm...what happened to the other guy?

[Noyade]

but very quiet afterwards http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Yeah, the old silent treatment, eh?! I know what that's like! :(

[Noyade]

Looking back now...retracing steps...one11's challenge must have sent people scurrying to Fairchild?

Fairchild? I mean is, is he the 'successful' designer?

[Noyade]

She call you back for dessert mate? :)

"Ken, get back here! Why you insist on spending so much time with that wretched computer is beyond me! Why, I'm starting to think you'd prefer to be married to that thing than me!...and another thing, what do you intend doing about those weeds?!..Ken? Ken? ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME!!??"

[skytrain10]

I'm here - just been sorting out my books - and seeing if I can find some new challenges! Now need to make sure they're all on the web :)

must have sent people scurrying to Fairchild? me included, but the undercarriage was all wrong. Internet's been slow all day today, so there was no way I was going to spend hours going through Aerofiles.

Mate, I couldn't identify a cockpit or an aerodrome if my life depended on it. But I have a lot of cockpit photos (books/magazines..and I'm sure you do to) and just thought I could contribute.
I have no idea how you work out what an aircraft is from a set of dials! When the cockpit windows/frames have been in view it helps a bit, but even so how these guys work them out is beyond me! It was only your clue that made it easy.

Years ago I used to do all the nav chart updates for aircraft so I used to get to recognise some airport layouts. And if you have a few clues and know roughly where to look you can always use google earth to look at airfields.

Hmmm...what happened to the other guy? Not sure who else was involved - probably went on to be President or something! Incidentally the person concerned died in the late 1990's.

[skytrain10]

Colditz starts in 3 mins, so you've got an hour to work on it whilst I watch TV :)

[Noyade]

Want a clue? Yes please. Cause that "better things" wasn't really a clue, was it? ;)

She got you in a headlock, wrestling on the floor? Just don't let her get to the kitchen knife!! God I feel so helpless here! And it's all my fault, she must have seen the monitor?! Ken?! Ken? Anyone, what's the emergency number in the UK?!!

EDIT: Phew...you had me worried! :=

[Noyade]

Colditz starts in 3 mins

Mrs Ken watch too? Keep a close eye on her mate, I don't trust her. :ooh:

Take care.

Cheers

You own a gun?

[skytrain10]

Ok I'm back.....we were both watching it mate....and no guns/knives or even wrestling involved....other than on TV of course!

Right where are we.....one of the guys involved in the design....he did go on to better things aircraft wise, but no clue per se in "better things". All those famous aircraft were produced by the same company.

Closing down for the night now.

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Ken.

It's not clear, but how many cylinders does that engine have?

[Noyade]

Don't tell him Ken!

[Lightning Mate]

I wondered when you would pitch up!

Nearly your bedtime mate - how's the head?

[Noyade]

Want a clue?Yes please. A proper one now, none of that "there was once a man who became successful" rubbish.......:)

how's the head? Wasn't good this morning mate...:ouch: Went to visit my son in hospital and I had to lie down on the bed next to him when the nurses weren't looking.

[skytrain10]

Morning David
how many cylinders does that engine have
Despite advice from the colonies to the contrary I will tell you - its 5.

Evening Graeme
proper one now, none of that "there was once a man who became successful" rubbish
Mmm - well, once upon a time in a land far away there lived an aircraft designer who was to become famous, but before that he was involved in the design of a small trainer aircraft that was cancelled because they had no money to develop it!! :)

[Noyade]

Mohawk XPT-7...?

[SincoTC]

Good morning skytrain,

I think it's the Okay SK-1 and "Lee" Attwood was the designer!

Back to work now, but I'll keep ane eye open if it's correct.

[skytrain10]

Not the Mohawk Graeme, but......

Sinco jumps in and snatches it from your grasp, yes its the Okay SK-1. Well done Trevor:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/b6a461b7.jpg

Over to you Sinco

See Graeme - those clues DID work for someone :)

And I even gave you the name of the manufacturer Graeme - see my post from last night......Ok I'm back.....etc :):)

"Lee" Attwood....and if you don't know, those famous aircraft were: T-6/Harvard, B-25 Mitchell, P-51 Mustang, F-86 and the F-100, all of course from North American.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning TC.

Want 028 up?

[Noyade]

That's what happens when you blab about the number of cylinders Ken...

[Lightning Mate]

....and I thought that you were the blabber......:E

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken,

Go for it please LM, I'm at work now but will check from time to time, I don't think it'll last that long anyway!

[Noyade]

blabber......http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/evil.gif

When I'm 2,980 posts.

[Lightning Mate]

Herewith an offering from TC.

Note the artistry Graeme......:)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/TC_wtf028.jpg

[Noyade]

And I even gave you the name of the manufacturer Graeme

Yeah, right......you're evil Ken, pure evil...no wonder Mrs Ken is so hard on you...

[Noyade]

Seen it before...American, again.

[SincoTC]

G'day Graeme,

It has a certain French "pug-ugliness" about it (for a good reason), but yes, it was American.

[skytrain10]

The Tunison Scout I believe?

Will have to be Open House if correct.

[Lightning Mate]

What is the difference between yogurt and Australia?
Yogurt has some culture. :)

[SincoTC]

Well done Ken,

I said it wouldn't last long!! It is the Tunison Scout :D 1929

skytrain has declared Open House

[Lightning Mate]

A rare chance....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat122.jpg

[Noyade]

How many cylinders...?

Westland F.29/27.

[Lightning Mate]

Yep - the Coventry Ordance Works (COW) gun fighter prototype.

Back to you. :ok:

[Noyade]

Back to you. :ok:When did I have it last? :)

I bet a tub of yoghurt wouldn't have got the COW, eh?! :ok:

Running on empty...

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6154/small1f.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/i/small1f.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

The usual quality I see......

[Noyade]

What is the difference between yogurt and Australia?
Yogurt has some culture. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

We sing, we dance...we're cultured.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4184/cultured.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/i/cultured.jpg/)

[Noyade]

The usual quality I see......

You're jealous. How long did it take you to make the Westland...?

[Lightning Mate]

Five minutes!

Is your challenge radar-equipped?

[Noyade]

You mean how many cylinders?

:)

[Lightning Mate]

No - perhaps how many engines yes!

I'm off for an hour. See ya later mate.

[Noyade]

Is your challenge radar-equipped?No........

[Noyade]

No - perhaps how many engines yes!One engine...:ok:

[Noyade]

The usual quality I see...... You know, I really thought you'd like those small grainy images being an ex-RAF fighter pilot? You know those sort of "shoot or be shot at" decisions, friend or foe situations. In a blink of an eye do you fire or not?

Flying a Mustang in WWII, would you blast my challenge from the sky? :)

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5643/shootv.jpg (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/shootv.jpg/)

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Graeme! A Jap I reckon? How about old Grace?

[Ridge Runner]

although the tail looks like a Kate

[skytrain10]

Couldn't resist a quick look - how about the Nakajima B6N Tenzen - aka Jill?

[Noyade]

Couldn't resist a quick look - how about the Nakajima B6N Tenzen - aka Jill? It's Jill! Good shooting Ken. Sorry Martin.

Your control Ken. :ok:

I was going to post a 'closer' pic before too long...

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9849/closer.jpg (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/closer.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme - internet problems continue again today (they are fixing the telephone lines which came down in bad weather) so will have to be Open House again.

[Ridge Runner]

easy peasy.....http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune021110.jpg

[skytrain10]

Afternoon Martin - Messerschmitt Me-264?

[Lightning Mate]

Missed all the fun.....:\

[Lightning Mate]

Very quiet - where has RR gone?

[skytrain10]

Guess he's tied up with work or at lunch.

At least I have internet working properly again :)

I wonder what the record for challenges is in one day?

[Ridge Runner]

yes mate, the Me264. Control is Skytrain's!

[Lightning Mate]

I remember one day last year when I think we must have had ten or twelve.

....and somebody tell Graeme that I would take on his challenge in a P51.

Mind you, I wouldn't think of approaching it from that angle - he'd see me for a start. A good killer is unseen!

[skytrain10]

I remember one day last year when I think we must have had ten or twelve.
Don't recall that particularly but I'm not surprised. Wonder if we could be it? Mind you it has to be a day when everyone is around.

Thanks Martin - here's my next offering:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/7b0585bf.jpg

[skytrain10]

Incidentally I was thinking about Graeme's idea for the Noyade 500 - a silhouette of an aircraft with a production run of 500 or more and a contest which has to last 500 mins or more. Quite like the concept actually although it could be a tough one to fulfill! Guess its a case of finding a view from an unusual angle - I may give it a go :)

[Lightning Mate]

So if it is identified in less than 500 minutes then who has control - the original poster again?

[skytrain10]

So if it is identified in less than 500 minutes then who has control - the original poster again?
No, I've assumed its exactly how we play today, save that if it passes the 500 mins then the poster claims the Noyade 500 prize (whatever that may be) and has the right to post again.
If it goes before the time is up then whoever gets it wins and posts their challenge.

In fairness nothing changes save that the poster can claim the prize if their image survives 500 mins and they can demonstrate that more than 500 aircraft were produced.

Anyway I was just thinking about it as I have a quiet afternoon!:)

[Lightning Mate]

Understood.


Noyade 500 prize

What would that be I wonder.......

Mind you, looking at your current challenge, I don't think I'll get it in under 500 minutes. :\

Only an hour left of my quiet afternoon.

[skytrain10]

Mind you, looking at your current challenge, I don't think I'll get it in under 500 minutes.
Don't worry, this one does not fall into the 500+ production run!

What would that be I wonder.......
Probably the prize is you get to keep control! When Graeme wakes up he can suggest one.

[Lightning Mate]

Have to go now. Best of luck - I'll check in tonight.

[Ridge Runner]

Meanwhile.......

Is your SC Canadian, Ken?

[skytrain10]

Martin, no not Canadian mate.

[Lightning Mate]

Finished a bit early.

Don't tell me this is yet another Yank!

[skytrain10]

Don't tell me this is yet another Yank!
In that case I won't tell you....because its not! :)

[Ridge Runner]

Is it Dutch?

[skytrain10]

Not Dutch but you're in the right part of the world.

[Ridge Runner]

is it a frog?

[one11]

Tail looks a bit Farman....

[skytrain10]

Not French.

[SincoTC]

Good evening skytrain,

I think it's the Belgian Sabca S.11 prototype of 1931

If correct, then please declare Open House, as I'm currently preparing some more images to send to LM for his expert attention and now one of them won't be from a certain useful website!!

[dazdaz1]

Just a guess....German?

D1

p.s. Change of mind, agree with sinco

[skytrain10]

Sorry dazdaz, its not German....good to see you back though.

Spot on Sinco :ok:, it is the SABCA S.11 from Belgium:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/544925ec.jpg

SincoTC has declared Open House

[Ridge Runner]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune021110A.jpg

[skytrain10]

Hi Martin, just so I'm clear, that is a large triangular window in the side?

[drawbarz]

Commonwealth CA4/CA11 Woomera?

John

[dazdaz1]

Here we go......wildcat? F4

D1

[Ridge Runner]

Yes Drawbarz. You have control

[drawbarz]

Sorry Guys,

Got called into work...:(

I have nothing ready to post so...

OPEN HOUSE!

Regards

John

[Ridge Runner]

OK, here goes...

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune021110B.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

A bit of fair warning boys - I'm out all day tomorrow and so this needs to be guessed by 0800 UK time in the morning (9 hours from now for the antipodians!)

Its a little obscure but it is on the web from more than one source. One was built, plus two replicas.

RR

[skytrain10]

This one's been bugging me for the last 30 mins, but time to close for the night. Difficult to ascertain its appearance but it seems to have a bulbous area around the cockpit! Keep thinking of Luton Minors, Heath Parasols, Pietenpol Aircampers and the like, but they were all produced in big numbers. The fact that only 1 was built and yet 2 replicas were made presumably means this aircraft must have been important in its time.

Over to the night shift....I see you out there evansb....don't know if Noyade is around.

Night nights

[Noyade]

this needs to be guessed by 0800 UK timeOr else? ;)

Your last was the Woomera (wish I had of seen that one) so maybe another from Oz? Doesn't have a lot of similarities but only one built, although no mention of replicas or why you would even want to.

The shirtless youth with the Adidas runners looks very cultured so most likely Australian and I'm sure he's practising an old Aussie tradition, "how close can I put my face to a spinning prop?" or "is this going to hurt?"

The Amsco Parasol Monoplane..?

[Ridge Runner]

Hi mate. Not an aussie but the right part of the globe, almost!

Original had a Harley-Davidson 750cc engine and the replicas had VW lumps up front.

RR

[Ridge Runner]

presumably means this aircraft must have been important in its time.

Hi Ken, Yes, it was significant in a way. Not any of those you mention though.

RR

[Ridge Runner]

Boys.... I'll keep up to date with it while on the road via my Blackberry.

Another shot of what I think was the orig aircraft....

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune031110.jpg

M

[Noyade]

Martin!

Jap?! (shoot it down David)

[Noyade]

Yeah! Yeah!....makes sense, that youngun's mop of black hair...he's a Jap! Head into the prop, what a way to go, that's what I call Kamikaze!!?

[Ridge Runner]

Not a jap, mate. You are in the right part of the world, give or take a few miles!

[Noyade]

Not a Jap? You sure?...of course you're sure.....Korean?

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3/japan3546944.gif (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/japan3546944.gif/)

[Noyade]

Indonesian!!???

The Wiweko WEL-1...?

(Do we shoot them down?!)

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry Graeme. My geography is obviously wrong! Go south!

[SincoTC]

Well at least I don't have to break my neck before work starts!! I think you've got it, well done Graeme. PM recieved and answer airborne!

[Noyade]

Martin are having trouble communicating through your fruit - what is it, a blueberry?

Or are you in shock at my awesomeness? ;)

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4733/inspcaptkirk5.jpg (http://img818.imageshack.us/i/inspcaptkirk5.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Sorry, I can't hear you, what did you say? My control?!

[Lightning Mate]

Morning/evening/g'day.

Wots all this about shooting things down?

[skytrain10]

Morning LM. I was beginning to think I was all alone. I sign on and everyone else went!
Waiting for Martin to confirm Graeme's answer.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning mate.

You're not alone any more.

Graeme is correct of course. NSW is now 11 hours ahead of us.

I wonder what reception RR is getting on his electronic fruit jobber.

[skytrain10]

I wonder what reception RR is getting on his electronic fruit jobber.
Thats true - the reception on those is never as a good as a standard mobile. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm sure he'll check when he has the opportunity.
How's things with you mate?

[Noyade]

NSW is now 11 hours ahead of us.

Are we getting further ahead? That's Australia for ya! :ok:

[Noyade]

Thank's for the PM Ken...I replied back.

("replied back"...superfluous?)

[Lightning Mate]

NSW is now 11 hours ahead of us. Are we getting further ahead? That's Australia for ya! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif
Further ahead in time zone only. :E

[Noyade]

Now, what did you want to know about the Noyade 500 competition?

That just rolls off your tongue doesn't it!? Noyade 500...Noyade 500...oooohh I've got goose bumps...

[skytrain10]

Noyade 500...Noyade 500
I like the sound of it too! Did you see my comments on it....what do you reckon??

[Noyade]

Hang on mate...I've got to flick back the pages and see what your comments were...

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Noyade-1.jpg

[Noyade]

In fairness nothing changes save that the poster can claim the prize if their image survives 500 mins and they can demonstrate that more than 500 aircraft were produced. Exactly! :ok:

But!.....should the EXACT image be 'findable' on the net? And should we ask for clues and should it run concurrently with our normal challenges (too complicated?)?

[Noyade]

What does the sign say mate?

[Lightning Mate]

Risk of drowning!

[Lightning Mate]

.....and should it run concurrently with our normal challenges (too complicated?)?

Much too complicated and would cause lots of confusion.

[Noyade]

Awww....you don't like the whole idea or just the bit you quoted? Be honest now...

[Lightning Mate]

Au contraire.

The idea is fine but not two challenges at once please.

[Noyade]

I just thought that if no one asks clues and if none are answered, it'll be very quiet.

So...ask and answer clues?

[Noyade]

In that case maybe the Noyade 100. LOL! :)

Anyway, how's the day shaping fellas?

[Lightning Mate]

So...ask and answer clues?

That's the way we normally play it now (well most of us do!).


Anyway, how's the day shaping fellas?

Nice and sunny here at 15 degrees.

[skytrain10]

But!.....should the EXACT image be 'findable' on the net? And should we ask for clues and should it run concurrently with our normal challenges (too complicated?)?Exact image on the net - no. Providing the aircraft is on the net, and I doubt there are any with a production run of over 500 that aren't anyway.

Concurrently - no. It would be too confusing

Clues - I was wondering about that. I think you have to either:
- declare at the start of the challenge that this a potential Noyade 500 challenge and therefore there are no clues
- dont't declare its a Noyade 500, and treat as a normal challenge.
I think its up to the person setting the challenge as to what they want to do.

Finally we have to bear in mind time zones. Graeme could easily set one at 2300 UTC and win at 0720 UTC because we've all been to sleep! I think an element of common sense would have to be used.

[Noyade]

This blackberry/blueberry thing....just a mobile phone with the internet?

[Lightning Mate]

Two outback cowboys are having a chat about their favourite sexual positions, when one of them says; I like the rodeo rider.
The rodeo rider? The other cowboy says, what is that, never heard of it! Well, says the first cowboy, when you're doing it doggy style you lean forward, get a firm hold of your wife's boobs and then you whisper in her ear; gee, they feel exactly the same as your sister's.. And then you try to stay on for another ten seconds!!

[Noyade]

Exact image on the net - no. Providing the aircraft is on the net, and I doubt there are any with a production run of over 500 that aren't anway.


Very true! You're a clever man! I didn't think that way. :ok:

Concurrently - no. It would be too confusing

Fair enough.

Clues -
I think its up to the person setting the challenge as to what they want to do.

Again, fair enough.

Finally we have to bear in mind time zones. Graeme could easily set one at 2300 UTC and win at 0720 UTC because we've all been to sleep!

Oh, Ken...I'm hurt....:=;)

[Noyade]

Two outback cowboys are having a chat

Really...a "chat?" Pommie cowboys?

Good joke mate!:ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Blackberry:

BlackBerry is a line of mobile e-mail (http://www.pprune.org/wiki/Mobile_e-mail) and smartphone (http://www.pprune.org/wiki/Smartphone) devices.

It's available in Oz.

How long before you go zzzzzzzz mate?

[Noyade]

mobile e-mail (http://www.pprune.org/wiki/Mobile_e-mail) and smartphone (http://www.pprune.org/wiki/Smartphone) devices.No wonder Martin is having trouble, even the links describing it don't work!

Page not found

[Lightning Mate]

Dunno why.

Go Goggle.

[Noyade]

How long before you go zzzzzzzz mate?

Soon. What do you want, should I post a challenge anyway...and if I'm incorrect, just ignore it?

Or should I just declare open house?

[Lightning Mate]

Well, I found RRs' exact image and you are correct.

In fact I've found both images.

I don't know what Ken thinks, but personally I'm sure RR would be happy for you to take the thread.

If he's having connection problems he will be very frustrated at the hold up. He's a bonzer mate after all.

[Noyade]

Ken?........

[Lightning Mate]

.............


In 1948 the first powered aircraft was designed and built by Wiweko Soepono, the WEL-1 (Wiweko Experimental Lightplane). Driven by a second-hand 750 cc Harley Davidson motorcycle engine it flew the first time on October 27, 1948. In 1981 Wiweko built two flying replica’s powered by a VW Revmaster; one is at the Yogyakarta aviation museum, the other at the Satrya aviation museum.

[skytrain10]

Sorry, was just doing some work!

I'm sure RR wouldn't mind your posting Graeme.

[Noyade]

Alright then...In fact I'll probably get you to solve this before I go...

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5826/enterprisej.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/enterprisej.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Did they run out of fabric or something?

[Noyade]

No, no, no,....don't panic. I'll get you through this.

All I need is the manufacturer and the name. Described on two sites, including Aerofiles, but not illustrated. This aircraft can be mid-winged or parasol...

More clues to follow.

[Noyade]

You will find the the manufacturer's name in my #16658 post. That's why I posted the image.

I'm awesome!

[Noyade]

Captain ----.

[Lightning Mate]

Could be the Skat homebuilt.

[Noyade]

It is! You're awesome mate!:ok:

Your control and the thread moves again. :ok:

Cheers David and Ken

Night.

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks mate - nite.

Looks like just you Ken.

edit to say it looks like Martin is back.:)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossis.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry boys. Been on M-way for a couple of hours. Yes, the Wiweko.

I'll let it run.......

RR

[Lightning Mate]

Are you now static RR?

[skytrain10]

Hi David, apologies mate, been busy. Just trying to get myself in to gear for your challenge. 2 seat, folding wings - is that a radiator bulge beneath the nose? I'm wondering if this is perhaps newer than it looks? American?

[Lightning Mate]

Nice to see someone back - I've been lonely out here.

2 seat, yes
folding wings, yes
radiator bulge beneath the nose, I think so
American, no.

Age? - 1931.

[skytrain10]

Polikarpov R-5Shon variant I think.

[Lightning Mate]

You're hot.......

[Lightning Mate]

BMW V-1 engine. :)

Remove Polikarpov and you'll be under way......

[skytrain10]

You're hot.......

Try Grigorovich Shon then - found the photo on the internet under a variant of the Polikarpov R-5 but my book on Russian aircraft lists it under Grigorovich!

[Lightning Mate]

Based on the R5.

Get this - eight machine guns under the rear floor firing forwards and downwards!!

[Lightning Mate]

Going home shortly - Ts...Ts...

[Lightning Mate]

Since you have worked hard and found the photo, I think I will give it to you.

Try Goggling TsKB-23.

All yours mate. :ok:

[skytrain10]

TsKB-23.
One of those where it depends where you look. TsKB is the Central Design Bureau, and various manufacturers built TsKB designs. The same photo is under Polikarpov and Grigorovich!

Anyway a good one.

Stand-by

[skytrain10]

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/2f97b4f0.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Attaboy Ken - keep the bastards guessing!

I'm out soon - perhaps "500" might solve it - he will fall out of bed soon!

For what it's worth, I think this is another Yank.

[Lightning Mate]

Restaurant calls - night night.

[skytrain10]

For what it's worth, I think this is another Yank.
It is.

Restaurant calls - night night.
Unusual restaurant...you go there to sleep?

[Noyade]

Evening Ken!

Very long fuselage?

What's that white rod/line just in front of the spats?

How many built mate? ;)

[Noyade]

my book on Russian aircraft lists it under Grigorovich!

I had a look as well and mine suggests that TsKB is the design Bureau?...

Interesting machine...designed to kill Basmachi rebels in Soviet Turkestan.

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme

Very long fuselage? ....it does look long I agree

What's that white rod/line just in front of the spats?....its just a white rod/line! No, its a tie down.

How many built mate? ....no idea. I'll check and revert on that....edit to say "at least 2"

Regarding the ShON. See my other post.....
TsKB is the Central Design Bureau, and various manufacturers built TsKB designsCertainly in the Osprey tone (which I would regard as the most reliable source) its listed as Grigorovich although it is referred to under Polikarpov. Wiki has it as Polikarpov (Polikarpov R-5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polikarpov_R-5)).

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Ken.

Restaurant calls - night night.

'Twas only memsab calling that dinner was ready. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Judging by where it's parked, may I assume that this is a homebuilt?

[skytrain10]

may I assume that this is a homebuilt?
Interesting question. It's not described as a homebuild, but as it seems only a few were produced (2 positively identified), whether the intention was to offer it as a homebuild I don't know.

It is in Aerofiles but without a picture. There are of course photo's on the web. 1980's design.

[Noyade]

1980's design.

C'mon mate, you're amongst friends, give us a precise year...;)

[skytrain10]

C'mon mate, you're amongst friends, give us a precise year.
Well, as I'm about to go out for a few hours.....1989.
I will also tell you that its name is quite appropriate considering where it comes from.
Be back later this morning so will check-in then.

[Noyade]

may I assume that this is a homebuilt?What the hell are ya doing David?! You were suppose to ask him "how many cylinders" feed the answer into your secret search engine and 'hey presto', the answer spits out?..!?

:)

[Lightning Mate]

Evening Graeme. :)

Looks like just you and me.

Damned Aerofiles search system!!!!!!!

[Noyade]

Morning mate!

Do you think it looks like a motor-glider?

[Arado]

I'm lurking here too, but hadn't come up with anything yet. still looking!

[Noyade]

I will also tell you that its name is quite appropriate considering where it comes from.

What do ya make of that mate? Where it comes from....? The USA. America, Yankeeland...Yankee? Is he talking States maybe?

[Lightning Mate]

Do you think it looks like a motor-glider?

No, I don't mate.

Engine? - try Lycoming.


America, Yankeeland...Yankee? Is he talking States maybe?

I think so - let's name all the states......

Good morning Arado.

[Noyade]

I'm lurking

Don't lurk mate....solve...solve...solve! :ok:

[Noyade]

Alaska (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ak)
Alabama (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=al)
Arkansas (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ar)
Arizona (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=az)
California (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ca)
Colorado (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=co)
Connecticut (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ct)
Delaware (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=de)
Florida (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=fl)
Georgia (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ga)
Hawaii (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=hi)
Idaho (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=id)
Iowa (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ia)
Illinois (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=il)
Indiana (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=in)
Kansas (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ks)
Kentucky (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ky)
Louisiana (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=la)
Maine (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=me)
Maryland (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=md)
Massachusetts (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ma)
Michigan (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=mi)
Minnesota (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=mn)
Mississippi (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ms)
Missouri (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=mo)
Montana (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=mt)
Nebraska (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ne)
Nevada (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=nv)
New Hampshire (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=nh)
New Jersey (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=nj)
New Mexico (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=nm)
New York (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ny)
North Carolina (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=nc)
North Dakota (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=nd)
Ohio (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=oh)
Oklahoma (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ok)
Oregon (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=or)
Pennsylvania (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=pa)
Rhode Island (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ri)
South Carolina (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=sc)
South Dakota (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=sd)
Tennessee (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=tn)
Texas (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=tx)
Utah (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=ut)
Vermont (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=vt)
Virginia (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=va)
Washington (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=wa)
Wisconsin (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=wi)
West Virginia (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=wv)
Wyoming (http://www.teachersfirst.com/share/states/states-3.cfm?state=wy)

[Lightning Mate]

A map is a bit easier, but you like making life difficult......:E

[Noyade]

Could be American cities...? :suspect:

[Lightning Mate]

Tried that - all I get is modern airliners named after cities!

Back to Aerofiles......

[Noyade]

Aerofiles......And searching for what precisely?

"Rare phucker (2 built) with American sounding name and flown in 1989"...?

[Noyade]

I'm about to go out for a few hours
I'm going to watch the "A-Team" movie.

No Plan B.

[SincoTC]

Morning all,

Coffee time, and a quick search,

I now see the logic behind Ken's clues; The company is from Alaska, the A/c name is the Prospector (oil or gold).

As unlikely as it seems and I passed it over before work because of it, it's a mid-wing STOL

The Keller FK-1 STOL Prospector

Keller FK-1 STOL Prospector, N4XK, Private (http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1153916/)

Edited to say that I'll keep my light on and an eye open from time to time; did you recieve the images I sent the other evening LM, any order will do, but ascending order if possible!

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Trevor.

Just how did you find that????

We've been running around in circles.....:\


did you recieve the images I sent the other evening LM, any order will do, but ascending order if possible!

No mate - didn't look last night.

Send one here to work ASAP and I'll move.

[Lightning Mate]

All received. Working on the first number. :ok:

[SincoTC]

Good morning David,

Images sent, thank you.

I found it by the use of SST (superior search technology) :p

Actually, I went through most of the likely candidates before work, so I revised what I was looking for in the light of Ken's clues that arrived later, namely the year and that it hadn't got an image, so I was able to skip most and look for the unlikely and something that fitted the State criteria, = bull**** baffles brains technology!

[Lightning Mate]

That's exactly what I was doing - got to H.:mad:

[skytrain10]

Good research Sinco :ok:. Yes its the Keller FK-1 Prospector STOL. I've identified at least 2 aircraft that were built, of which N5XK crashed, and N4XK remains, and is pictured on the web. Its described as a "bush plane" in some souces - doesn't quite fit the image in my book!

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/5fa4fb24.jpg

SincoTC has control

[Lightning Mate]

Something from TC coming up.....

[Lightning Mate]

....and here it is:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/TC_wtf030.jpg

Apologies TC, I didn't notice that the sent order was different to the numerical one mate.

[SincoTC]

No worries mate, that'll do fine thanks :ok:

[skytrain10]

For some reason the tail doesn't seem to go with the aircraft....American...late 20's?

[Lightning Mate]

TC, note that something has magically vanished. ;)

[SincoTC]

something has magically vanished

First thing I noteced mate, poor little sod!! I had considered doing just that, but not with MS Paint :ugh: you made a good job of it though :D

American...late 20's?

Too early and wrong continent!

To help interpret the tail's silhouette; what appears to be a fillet to the fin, is in fact the tail's horizontal surface behind the fin, also, there may just be a small radius to the top rear corner of the rudder, but on my image it was almost exactly the colour/texture of the background. LM probably had a better view of the real shape, but I don't think it's too relevant as there aren't many other pictures around, but this one is on the web!

[skytrain10]

Too early and wrong continent!
Good - I think! Thanks for the comments on the tail....that would explain it.
MS Paint....thats what I do all my silhouettes with!

[Lightning Mate]

To clarify things, the shape of the fin/rudder is accurate.

[SincoTC]

Thanks LM,

I was pretty sure it would be!

I'm just looking into your query on 029, that's the only photo I can find so far, will email you later on what to do!

[Lightning Mate]

I swear I just heard a pin drop............

[skytrain10]

Not hear mate! Found several look-a-likes but nothing that matches. Now going through France (put that one off as long as I could!).

[SincoTC]

Now going through France

You got one of those fruity little mobile devices, like wot Martin's got then?? :)

Seriously though, that's a good move!