Silhouette challenge

[RegDep]

Hope he's truthful in that one. I don' t buy his "no clue" in his cosmetics-laden litany on "black silhouettes appear invisible pink background black image sea of pink absorption (Max?) Factor". Catwalk stuff, if you ask me. Only Elizabeth Arden is missing there.

Curtis Travel Air 16E, Women in the Wind (Warner Bros 1939) starring Eve Arden (Visible Difference Cosmetics) :8

EDIT: I had Yokosuka but I abandonded it, no idea why. Looked too short, maybe, but lots made :sad:

[SincoTC]

Thanks skytrain and LM,

I suppose now I'll get all the flack about being able to see the sodding image in the first place!!

I though Graeme was often about at around this time, just before hitting the hay?

Dunno if it's right yet, but if you goggle it, I think the SC is in the top row of images! Break over now so back to work and it's just started raining again, so no front steps finished today :sad:

[RegDep]

I though Graeme was often about at around this time, just before hitting the hay?

Wanna bet he's lurking until 1625 hrs?

[skytrain10]

I though Graeme was often about at around this time, just before hitting the hay?
His light went off just after I posted my Hawker Hind suggestion.

[Lightning Mate]

It's half-past midnight in NSW.

[RegDep]

I had Yokosuka but I abandonded it, no idea why. Looked too short, maybe, but lots made

...and it appears in the Wikipedia's most manufacture aircraft list. And I didn't look.

Maybe I'll dig a hole in the ground and start hibernating :zzz:

[RegDep]

Nice chick!

[Lightning Mate]

OK guys - I've had enough of this Noyade 500 stuff.

We now have a challenge without confirmation from the poster!!

Count me out of this thread.

[Noyade]

:(http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/statusicon/post_old.gif 18th Nov 2010, 13:04 #17753 (http://www.pprune.org/6069433-post17753.html) (permalink (http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/332082-silhouette-challenge-888.html#post6069433)) SincoTC (http://www.pprune.org/members/221117-sincotc)


Bugger...missed it by "that" much...:ugh:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9403/yokosukak5y.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/i/yokosukak5y.jpg/)

Nicely done mate! :ok:Your control. I hope the factory is OK.

I suppose now I'll get all the flack about being able to see the sodding image in the first place!!Yeah, ya gay mate! :ok::ooh:

[SincoTC]

Thanks Graeme,

Just enough clues ;)

I hope the factory is OK

It is mate, thank you, busy day and rain stopped play a couple of times, but good progress on the new works.

Just off home now and managed to get some images off to LM.

I declared an Open House in my post, dunno WTF RR's post is all about though!! My guess is that he came in and saw Reg's time for the end of the 500 minutes and thought that was the expiry of the guideline rule and therefore it was OH after that time and so rushed to put a challenge up before anyone else did, hence his comments about the timing :)

Now that Graeme has correctly confirmed my answer (sorry about the 500 mate :p), I will again say that it's an Open House as of now!

I guess that Martin's challenge is invalid at the moment 'coz Graeme hadn't confirmed as LM pointed out above, so maybe he could delete it and repost it (if nobody else beats him to it). Is that how you all see it?

Seeya tomrrow guys, sort it out and keep it rolling :ok:

[Ridge Runner]

so can we get back to the way we were, please?

[Ridge Runner]

not sure i want to but .....
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune141110.jpg

[RegDep]

What else do you call landing gear like that (honestly, just do not know); spatted, gear pants, gear trousers, gear fairings, ....?

[Ridge Runner]

Spatted I guess. I'm not sure really

[RegDep]

Breda-Zappata B.Z.309

Or, I wonder if you could get a pic like that from the Danish KZ.IV, although it had a twin tail......

[Ridge Runner]

Breda-Zappata B.Z.309



No, sorry. And not Danish either!

[skytrain10]

Morning all - European though?

[Lightning Mate]

RD/Ken,

You might look at the Caproni 309.

[RegDep]

Good morning LM Sir!

Yes. Put Breda-Zappata B.Z.309 because could not find a pic on that name, but found spatted gear on another Breda-Zappata. ....... Shot to the darkness. Sometimes scare myself more than anyone else.....

[skytrain10]

You might look at the Caproni 309.
Been there, done that - and your point is exactly?
Why don't you suggest it???? :confused:

[skytrain10]

Well no point in putting it off - LM is not playing - so its the Caproni 308!!

Have to be Open House as tied up for the rest of the day,

[Ridge Runner]

not caproni 309

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, Ken, the Caproni 308 Borea

Ken, has declared OPEN HOUSE

[Ridge Runner]

No takers? If not by 1200 GMT I'll post another just to keep things moving... RR

[Ridge Runner]

ok, here goes...

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune181110A.jpg

[RegDep]

Gorgeous chick (or did I say that before :confused:)

[Ridge Runner]

you did but I had/have no idea what you mean!!!!!

[RegDep]

So true, so true :sad:.

Just the artistic impression.

Technical merits - no idea.

[Ridge Runner]

Too early for a clue - not that there are many !!!!!

[RegDep]

1912 Shigeno biplane Japan/France

[Ridge Runner]

You are there, Reg!!!!!! Your Control!

[RegDep]

Thanks RR!

I am 'fraid I do not have anything to post.

So be it Open House.

Need to talk to LM about that......

[Lightning Mate]

I have two minutes.

Reg, check your e-mails for Wednesday. You do have one.

[RegDep]

Reg, check your e-mails for Wednesday. You do have one.

Pease PM me when you can. I cannot find any that I have not yet shot out......

Edit: Open House stays.

[Lightning Mate]

RD,

Check e-mail now - your next one.

[Lightning Mate]

Do you want me to post it?

[RegDep]

Sorry, no LM. It was out as #17693 :).

Edit: Will be out for about an hour.

As open a house as ever.

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry mate.

Must go. See you sometime.

[one11]

As its been open house for a while...........

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1411x.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

it looks a bit Russian????

[SincoTC]

Could it be a French SPCA 30 ??

Gotta go now, so Open House if correct.

[one11]

SincoTC is correct.

So, after a brief interval, its the return of Open House

[Noyade]

Open HouseIt's a bit like Social Security but I'll always accept a free handout.

Has anyone tried the Greyscale/Gamma approach to making silhouettes yet? I'm finding that it will only work if the background is white to begin with.

Here's another...

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3939/gammaz.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/gammaz.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Beat me to it mate!!! Did you see my email a short while a go?

[Noyade]

Yeah I got it mate, thanks.

Also got William and Kate's wedding invitation. Did you get yours? Don't think I'll go as Magnum PI is on the telly that night. Cheers Ken.

[skytrain10]

Totally stuck on this one so far - admittedly haven't had the opportunity to spend much time. My first thought was Morane Saulnier (swept parasol wing) but lots of similar designs save for the tail which looks like it came from a Hawker Fury! :ugh:

[RegDep]

How about Gloster Goral

[skytrain10]

How about Gloster Goral
Well I hadn't thought about a biplane but guess it could be - but not a Goral (not that I can find a side view) but the undercarriage and wing struts are wrong.
gloster goral | bristol jupiter | 1927 | 0567 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1927/1927%20-%200567.html)
But one thing - the tail is however very Glosterish so you could be on to something. Think I am going to look through some books over a glass of wine to seek inspiration!

[skytrain10]

I can't see any Gloster aircraft that match - just looked at Armstrong Whitworth - some very similar, but nothing matches.

[RegDep]

How about Gloster Gatsnapper II, then Gloster Gnatsnapper (http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww1/gnatsnapper.html)

I mean Gaosnappers were made with different tailfins, but they were one-seaters and the challenge looks like two seater.

[skytrain10]

Ignoring the tail, aren't they all single seaters? Also the upper wing chord is too small.

Edit - sorry wasn't reading what you said properly - yes I'm assuming the challenge is a 2 seater.

[skytrain10]

Think I am going to look through some books over a glass of wine to seek inspiration!
That hasn't worked - time for a 2nd glass!

[RegDep]

Tell me why do I get "Consolidated" and "Jimmy Doolittle" and "bombing demo" all the time written on it?

Mostly "Consolidated", though

[skytrain10]

http://www.aerofiles.com/conso-ny2.jpg :)

I don't think its American - I'm really only saying that because I don't want to go through Aerofiles!

[RegDep]

I know what you mean. NY-2 has different tail. But there are similar tails :suspect: there.

Edit; There are also other Hawkers from Hart to Audax to Hartebees to Demon to Hardy to Hind to Osprey. Some of them were licence manufactured and used radial engines, too (like the ones from ASJA in Sweden)

[Noyade]

Evening Gents :ok:

None of the above, sorry. Must be clue time.

If we didn't paint these images black, you would recognise the markings as Croatian. That's a 90 kg bomb. It served in WW2.

[skytrain10]

Morning mate - you've now served to confuse me!

Probably means German or Italian - which is a worry as I went through those earlier today!

[Noyade]

For you mate....Yugoslavian.

[skytrain10]

Rogozarski PVT? Found a description and a picture of it on a model box!

[skytrain10]

For you mate....Yugoslavian.Well I was about to retract the Rogozarski PVT as I found a photo and the tail/undercarriage were wrong....don't know now....:confused:

Maybe the Rogo etc P-100 - cowl doesn't look right but a variant maybe?

[Noyade]

Crikey mate! You got me there....?

Is this the model box....?

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/7730/omegapvth6267228.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/omegapvth6267228.jpg/)

Certainly looks like it...?

I have it as the Rogozarski R-100

Rogozarski R 100 - L & M Resin (http://www.lmresin.com/?p=productsMore&iProduct=25)

By the powers invested in me, I hereby grant you control, Sir Skytrain! :ok:

[Noyade]

I can find the magazine again and scan it in colour and have a closer look? But looks the same to me only with floats?

[skytrain10]

Hi mate
This was the photo which put me off!

http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/other1/p100-i.jpg

And this was the model box

http://hobbym.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/4/7/1347265/6519847_orig.jpg
Hopefully you'll see why I was confused, particularly over the tail.

Anyway good challenge Graeme - shame it was only the 2 of us going for it!

[RegDep]

Here is the only one I could find....

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/PVT.jpg

[skytrain10]

You can see why I spent a long time looking at Morane Saulnier aircraft! At least it supports my swept parasol wing theory :)

Stand-by gentlemen

[RegDep]

I wa also looking at the M-Ss, trying to find a prototype of something. And these were over 60 built. Awkward :suspect:.

But entertaining, too :).

[skytrain10]

A biplane to consider:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/da56c3aa.jpg

[Noyade]

A quick thought before making breakfast...Italian...attempt at a world altitude record?

[Noyade]

Another flash...Vickers Vespa...?

[skytrain10]

Blimey Graeme - that sounded terribly confident - like "oh, yeah, its that Italian biplane that went for the world altitude record".
Hate to disappoint, but no and no!!

[RegDep]

Anzani 10 engine?

[skytrain10]

Another flash...Vickers Vespa...?A little less confident now I see....no, not a Vespa.

Mind those eggs mate, they exploded last time you were trying to do breakfast and SC at the same time! Sausages and bacon as well?

[skytrain10]

Anzani 10 engine?
I believe it to be an Anzani but unfortunately there is no mention of the engine type.

[Noyade]

It's something new mate...a "Tefal toast'n'egg." My wife bought it. If it doesn't work I'll blame her...

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8503/images8886241.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/images8886241.jpg/)

I better read the instructions.....so I'll log off and concentrate...

Cheers guys.

there is no mention of the engine type.

Now THAT doesn't sound good! :(

[skytrain10]

That looks a little high tech and far too healthy - this is what you need:
http://www.britishbreakfast.org.uk/images/pagemaster/breakfast_fry_up2.jpg

[RegDep]

Wow!

I'll put the less tempting challenge as Huff-Daland HD-4 Bridget because it has one engine and is developed from HD-1 which had two 100 hp Anzani engines. Picture I have not seen.

[skytrain10]

Not a Huff-Daland, and to save further investigation, its not a North American aircraft.

Bet you're feeling hungry now! I should stress that my version of it is a little more healthy - and conveniently it comes in a box - just add milk!
http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/files/ImageGallery/Grocer.co.uk%20pics/alpen.gif

[RegDep]

Next then: The Central Centaur IVA, a wire-braced, fabric-covered wooden biplane, powered by the 100hp Anzani nine-cylinder radial engine.

[skytrain10]

Not a Central product RD.

[RegDep]

Caudron tail -> French?

[skytrain10]

Caudron tail
It does look very much like that, but......il n'est pas français

[RegDep]

Sorry, have to suspend oprerations for tonight. Probably won't be able to sleep for frustration, but there is just so much one can do :(.

Good night!

[skytrain10]

Ok RD, have a good sleep - but if you want something to think about - it is from a European manufacturer.
Good night

[RegDep]

Told you cannot sleep: Comte WILD X from Switzerland.

[skytrain10]

I was just about to close down - not a Comte.

[irishair2001]

Hello skytrain might it be a FIAT A 300/4 ,with a Fiat A12 300hp engine

[skytrain10]

Good morning irishair - not a Fiat (Ansaldo) and not Italian.

[RegDep]

Good morning Skytrain!

Is your challenge easier than we think or just hopeless?

[skytrain10]

Good morning RD

Is your challenge easier than we think or just hopeless?You won't find in places like Aviastar or Airwar if that's what you mean. But it is on other sites, including Flight.

However this aircraft was incorrectly suggested for a challenge earlier this year. So evidently someone else had come accross it.

[RegDep]

It will be Bulté RB1 then.

I can see that in that discussion many other of the "contenders" of this challenge were mentioned......

Bult RB1 O-BAJR (http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/CivilPics/first_register/Bulte%20RB1%20O-BAJR/Bulte%20RB1%20O-BAJR.html)

[skytrain10]

It will be Bulté RB1 then.
That's the one - well done:ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/d289a1a7-1.jpg

Your control

[RegDep]

Thanks Skytrain, but at I have nothing to post at this point, therefore Open House

[Noyade]

Nicely done Reg! :ok:

[Noyade]

Open HouseStill experimenting with profiles...

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8691/17905853.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/17905853.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Looks like pre WWI - so probably a 2010 design!

[Noyade]

so probably a 2010 design!

Been looking at Wiki Ken.....a little hard to establish...but I think 1921.

About 200 built....(I won't say it! :))

[Noyade]

(I won't say it! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif) Yes I will...
...ladies and gentlemen....the "Noyade 200!"

No, no, no...just kidding...................:E

[skytrain10]

"Noyade 200!"
Now you know how confused the Noyade 500 made certain people!

I think I'll have to come up with my own challenge now.....

Now back to your offering - 200 built, but evidently some question over the date - odd for a mass produced and therefore presumably reasonably well known machine - unless of course its Russian??

[RegDep]

Lincoln Standard biplane would look a bit like that.....

[Noyade]

Well, there were two versions built, one in 1917 and the other in 1921. Both very similar looking. Production was 50 and 150 respectively. Did a google and there is a photo of this machine doing something very famous...quite a few pictures of it...

Intriguing, isn't it?...:)

[Noyade]

Lincoln Standard biplane

Had to google that Reg.

It does look similar!?

No relationship as as far as I can tell...apart from where they came from.

[Noyade]

Any final offers before I turn in?

[RegDep]

I think you are talking about Aeromarine 39 (A or B) land version Graeme.

[RegDep]

Brushing your teeth Graeme?

[Noyade]

Perfect timing mate! :ok: Your Control.

Aeromarine 39 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeromarine_39)

One landed on USS Langley 26th October 1922 - the first recorded deck landing on a US Carrier.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6046/300pxaeromarine39233340.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/i/300pxaeromarine39233340.jpg/)

Cheers!

[skytrain10]

Good call RD :ok:

[Noyade]

Brushing your teeth Graeme?

No mate, looking for a glass of water for my dentures...:ok:

Cheers again.

[RegDep]

Thanks Graeme and good night.

Searched '1917 "POP: 50" 1921 "POP: 150"' with proximity option 'page' in Aerofiles search engine. No need to know diddley squat about air/aeroplanes.

Open House prevails

[skytrain10]

Here's a quick one - and I took the picture myself!

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/c9b6991c.jpg

[evansb]

Hawker Hind ?

[skytrain10]

Good morning Bri, yes its a Hawker Hind :ok:. I took the photo at the Old Warden display back in July - it wasn't a great shot - too dark - but ideal for SC!

Here's the old girl just touching down:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/195bdb6c.jpg

All yours.

[evansb]

Beauty photo ! Beauty aeroplane ! Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH101121.jpg

[skytrain10]

There are similarities to the Nakajima G5N - would it be Japanese?

[evansb]

Yes, correct:ok: The Nakajima G5N Shinzan (Mountain Recess), code named Liz.
As the aircraft was based on the Douglas DC-4E, early on, it was designated as the 4EB.

I note that this aircraft was posted as a challenge back in August. Sorry.


You have control.

[skytrain10]

Don't worry, I hadn't noticed it had been posted before!

Here's one to consider:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/aaffafb5.jpg

[RegDep]

Anhedral wings?

[RegDep]

Heath Baby Bullet

or maybe Heath Tomboy, because of the fairing behind cockpit and shape of the fin.

[skytrain10]

Anhedral wings? Nothing mentioned in the text about it and I can't find a 3-view to support whether it is or not. I suspect not although it could well be zero?

Heath Baby Bullet Not the Baby Bullet, but you're in the right part of the world.

And not the Tomboy either.

[RegDep]

Kinda hoped that it would have been Hurlburt (Camburn) Special

Hurricane (Special) 1947; 85hp Continental C-85. Designed and built by three ladies, but barred from Goodyear competition because the event was restricted to male pilots!

Signing of for a while.

[skytrain10]

Not the Hurlburt Special RD. A nice story though.

[Noyade]

you're in the right part of the world.American. Yes I'm slow...

Racing aircraft? Record breaker?

Searched '1917 "POP: 50" 1921 "POP: 150"' with proximity option 'page' in Aerofiles search engine. No need to know diddley squat about air/aeroplanes.
That easy?! Well, that's disappointing to learn, in a way. I remember Sinco saying he got my Spad based on the "60" number I gave?

Must be time to stop giving out production numbers then?! :E

(Reg, ask Ken how many of his challenge were built!)

That looks a little high tech and far too healthy - this is what you need:Mate, Mrs Ken is trying to give you a coronary! Has she taken out a 7 figure Life Insurance Policy on you!? Be careful mate...be very careful.

[RegDep]

Good morning Graeme. I will happily hand over the next shift to you.

No, not at all - nothing to thank for!

My advice to you is that you put "racer" into Aerofiles search engine. Will keep you busy for the shift - I can take over on my morning.

Not really kidding - you might find it - I did not go with that. Some combinations, though. In vain, too.

So, see you in the morning; I am rather sure that this challenge does qualify for Noyade anything-but-not-very-many-built challenge.

Take care.

Reg

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme
Racing aircraft? Record breaker?
Racer, yes. Record breaker, not that I can see.

Reg, ask Ken how many of his challenge were built!
Its alright mate, you can ask me, I won't mind! The answer is I don't know (Aerofiles doesn't quote a number), but at least one.

Mate, Mrs Ken is trying to give you a coronary!
Now you should have read further down - don't think I could cope with that sort of breakfast anymore!

I'm closing down soon as early start tomorrow (on the road at 0600) so one clue for you - this aircraft appears in different forms, and has been known by different names! Now you're totally confused :confused:.

[Noyade]

Will keep you busy for the shift - I can take over on my morning.Ha! I don't think so mate. Have you not noticed the trend?

Ken posts a challenge.
You solve it and declare Open House.
I post a challenge.
You solve it and declare Open House.
Ken posts a challenge.
You solve it and declare Open House.
I post a challenge.
You solve it and declare Open House.
Ken posts a challenge...

Just solve it Reg!...:):)

Ken, glad you're eating healthy! Otherwise the chain above will be broken...;)

[Lightning Mate]

Anyone for a Babcock Racer?

[RegDep]

Babcock LC-13A racer LC-13, LC-13A aka Babcock-Vlchek X Airmaster, Taube, and Taubman Zephyr

:( Hi David..... Didn't notice that you were awake..... :sad:

An epitome of wasted work:

Was there yesterday but looked at the first picture only: Completely different looking a/c.

Had searched for 1pOmwM racer: the text says "was modified as OmwM racer": Missing number leaves this out. The "original" a/c has a canopy 2pCmwM.

Tried to search other race-related words (was convinced that it was a racer), e.g. "Midget racer". Nix.

Ken comes up with a clue (Aerofiles doesn't quote a number), but at least one.
Me, poor bastard think that it means by search terms '-POP:' proximity chapter = word 'POP': is not mentioned in the same chapter as 'racer'....
Now the chapter says "POP: uncertain but [NR998W] was modified as OmwM racer." Nix.

AND: The Taubman LC 13 1pOmwM did not have a picture....

So how did I find it. Feel free to ask.

(One answer is: too late.:8)

[Lightning Mate]

Listed as the Babcock LC13 Taubman and photographed at Rosemead Airport 21 May 1946.

Registration NC998W.

[RegDep]

Oh THAT'S WHY the cockpit fairing silhouette looked a bit funny : there were TWO seats. I thought it was a one-seater. Yet another 24 "Silly-mes"

[skytrain10]

Just stopped at services on motorway.
It is indeed the Babcock LC-13 racer. Looks like LM got there first although RD came up with the correct name. Unless anyone disagrees LM has control. Well done mate.

[RegDep]

As per my Jeremiad above, I agree with LM seniority.

[Lightning Mate]

Open House

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry, but I'll take that.....

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/ppune191110.jpg

[Noyade]

Pens down, pass the papers to the front.

The Chilean Central Workshop H.F. XX-02 Two seat trainer.

One minute silence, in awe of me, please.....:}

[RegDep]

You can knock me down with a feather.

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, Graeme.... Your Control!!!

[Noyade]

Thanks Martin! Please, please stand up, there is no need to kneel before me. Actually, I amazed myself with that one...:ooh:

Sorry, but I'm still working with profiles. I got this one from the net. It was originally in colour and required some positive contrast as well as the usual negative gamma.

Whatdoya think? David?...

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9049/1941g.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/1941g.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Should I first pop all the haphazard shots that I made at the Rogozarski?

[Noyade]

Yes please!

[RegDep]

Yes please!

Won't work though :( ?

[Noyade]

Ask me how many were built. :=

[Noyade]

Reg, it's been a long day. I'm gonna leave it there, in the hands of the "day" shift!...:ok:

Night.

[RegDep]

Quick: Were more than one built?

Is this Silhouette from a replica?

Hawker?

Could even be a (Boeing -) Stearman, but the gear does not fit...., but could explain the smug on Graeme's face when he was talking about number built.

Edit: Shoot! He's gone.

[Lightning Mate]

It was originally in colour and required some positive contrast as well as the usual negative gamma.

Whatdoya think? David?...

Not bad for an amateur. :E

[RegDep]

Hi David. Could you please take over the day shift. I cannot any more :suspect:

Gone through Consolidated, too. You tell what this blasted kit is.

[Ridge Runner]

Is it a Naval Factory machine?

[RegDep]

How about Waco 10 in one of its radial engine incarnations?

[RegDep]

Just looking at N.A.F. N3N3 Canary......

Edit: Page shift again....

[skytrain10]

N.A.F. N3N3 Canary......
Hi all - been tied up today so not had a chance to look. It certainly looks like the N3N3 but there is no tailwheel on the silhouette - perhaps there were some without, but the only pictures I've seen all have them fitted.

[RegDep]

tailwheel on the silhouette

That's why I asked if it was a replica: The covered spring-like thing in the tail skid looks to me newer than from end 20s (which I kinda think the a/c comes from).

[Lightning Mate]

C'mon guys - eess seemples.

I can't post images because of a photobucket glitch which I can't resolve at the moment. I am not prepared to OH again, so sort it out you lot.;)

[Noyade]

Looks like we've stalled? In IrfanView by clicking "Images" then "Jackson" the black is removed...magic...

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5863/blackbegone.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/blackbegone.jpg/)

[RegDep]

you :mad:. I THOUGHT you meant I should go to see Yugoslav aircraft again, when I had asked if I should pop the same as for the previous challenge. I went, but did not find this Croatian one.... I even checked what is the Croatian and what is the Yugoslav roundel.

Somehow yopu will suffer from this, I do not yet know how.....:E

[RegDep]

Zmaj Fizir FP.2 and never put me through this again!

http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/Физир_ФП-2

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/4970.jpg

And I am going to bed and I ain't gonna wake up to take the standing ovations. If someone wants to have Open House, so be it.

Otherwise I post my challenge tomorrow MY morning time.

Reg

[Noyade]

I THOUGHT you meant I should go to see Yugoslav aircraft againI did. It is/was Yugoslav. Whatchya bitching about? :)

Your Control! :ok:

[RegDep]

Whatchya bitching about?

Now in the morning, I am asking the same from myself :ooh:.

Here's the next one:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/wassist.jpg

[skytrain10]

Quick morning coffee break - it reminds me of a Curtiss design - any connection with the XP-23? Failing that is it Yugoslav? :)

[Noyade]

Morning Guys!

A very fast Fiat CR.42 DB...?

[Lightning Mate]

Morning/evening/morgen. :)


What should you do if an Aussie throws a grenade at you.
Pull the pin and throw it back. :E

[RegDep]

Graeme

Not that fast. It was posted to stay for at least 8 hours 20 minutes :{ because over 1.800 (Fiat 42 all versions) were built.

Yes, one aircraft equipped with the Daimler-Benz DB 601 engine, estimated maximum speed 518 km/h (323 mph). Also known as the CR.42DB. The one and only of that version.

Over to you, assuming that your next is an easy one, or you do not go to bed all night.

EDIT: What should you do if an Aussie throws a grenade at you.

Well yes. But they keep throwing my challenges back without pin :uhoh:

[Lightning Mate]

An Aussie is proof that God has a sense of humour.:}

[RegDep]

An Aussie is proof that God has a sense of humour

Black humour, Sir, very black sometimes.

[Noyade]

Sorry, just looking at Mel's list...

What should you do if an Aussie throws a grenade at you.
Pull the pin and throw it back
Mate, are these Irish jokes and you just replace Irish with Aussie?...;)

Don't worry....I will move onto monoplanes, mid-2011...

See post #17930. IMAGE REMOVED...OPEN HOUSE. :)

[RegDep]

Skytrain

Either I have swiss cheese holes in my optical chord, or I am SURE that your latest post appeared on my screen well after Noyade's. I don't know how, but I was looking at the time labels of my post and Noyade's after he hit me, and I am positive that yours was not there at the time.

Go figure out. Maybe I need my cabbage fixed.

Graeme: I have seen that one yesterday night and I am not gonna dig it up again. Someone else.

[Noyade]

Graeme: I have seen that one yesterday night and I am not gonna dig it up again. Someone else.

Worst case of Biplane Fatigue I've ever seen. Tragic. :)

[Noyade]

Then again...maybe it's a parasol...;)

[RegDep]

Tragic.

Then again, maybe not.

Tragic nor parasol :*

[Noyade]

You're right it's not a parasol.

I'm getting most of these from my "Big Book of Biplanes". Even posting them I find they're annoyingly similar.
Tell you what, it's late here but early there. I'm happy to retract my challenge and make it Open House and I promise to move on from biplanes...whatdoyasay?! :ok::)

[Lightning Mate]

Is this thing from Eastern Europe?

[Noyade]

We're moving on?
OK then.

Is this thing from Eastern Europe?


Sorry mate, nope.

[Lightning Mate]

Wish I hadn't asked that because I've now got access to Photobucket again! Sod it.

[RegDep]

I am happy with biplanes, so long as there are others than me to chase them......

And, occasionally, I may.....

[Noyade]

Happy to go back...

If the consensus is we're tired of looking at Profile Biplanes I'm more than happy to make it Open House....Nothing worse that mundane repetition.

Say the word...

[RegDep]

Your call LM.

[Lightning Mate]

...word...

[Noyade]

No problems guys! :):ok:

I'll delete it. Might be useful later on. :E I'll look for some more interesting images another day.

So what have ya got from the "bucket" David? :)

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme - western European, French? Quite similar to the Romano R82, but clearly not.

[Lightning Mate]

NOT a biplane:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat224-4.jpg

Morning Ken. :)

[Noyade]

Evening Graeme - western European, French? Quite similar to the Romano R82, but clearly not.Ken! They told me they were sick of seeing biplanes so I made it Open House!

And then look what David did! :suspect:

I've been tricked mate!! :ooh::=:)

[Lightning Mate]

They told me they were sick of seeing biplanes so I made it Open House!

No we didn't! Want a non-biplane instead??

[Noyade]

Not only that, but a biplane in trouble...watch out, it's going to nose over! :ooh:

[RegDep]

No Graeme, we just did not want to keep on guessing to the empty cyberspace while you were :zzz:.

We just LOVE biplanes. Love and hate, you know :(.

Not only that, but a biplane in trouble...watch out, it's going to nose over!

See the pilot lean back! Heroic attempt to save what still can be saved.

[Noyade]

Want a non-biplane instead??

YES!.......:E

[Lightning Mate]

At the risk of confusion, I will now change the challenge then.....

YOU asked for it.....

[Noyade]

At the risk of confusion,

Pffftttt....Tired of Biplanes and then ya post one...:D

Classic!

[Lightning Mate]

Challenge changed - just for you.

[Noyade]

OMG! One of those wretched RPV thingys!?

Right up your alley aren't they Reg?

"Big Book of Biplanes".There is a second volume available.
I'm going to order it tomorrow!...:E:)

Cheers Guys! :ok:

[Ridge Runner]

Well, I'm really confused!!!! What is the challenge????

[Lightning Mate]

Martin, here is the challenge again.

It's this one:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat224-4.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

OK, ta. So what's all the "biplane" stuff? First its there, then its not....... RR

[RegDep]

Well, I guess I started it with my plain statement that I am through with biplanes for a while. And now we get a manned drone. Big deal!

[Lightning Mate]

OK, ta. So what's all the "biplane" stuff? First its there, then its not....... RR

If you read back mate, Graeme asked for a non-biplane, so I obliged and changed my challenge. You have to sometimes just put up with Aussies!

Edit to say - and Germans!:E

[SincoTC]

Good Afternoon all,

First time on since Friday, been real hectic and still is!

LM, is your SC a Silvertone Flamingo (maybe F-08 Carla) ??

If it is, I'm afraid that it'll have to Open House as I'm out now for the rest of the day, sorry.

[RegDep]

An Aussie to replace the biplane of the Aussie! Swell!

[skytrain10]

Well, I'm really confused!!!! What is the challenge????You and me both RR - just checked in to see what's happening with the biplane only to see a photo of a UAV.

At the risk of confusion, I will now change the challenge then..... Not being rude guys, but if you're constantly live watching SC its fine to make image changes but for those of us who can only periodically check IT IS confusing - besides which certain of us may well have been looking for the biplane offline - its a bit disconcerting (not to mention a waste of time) to come back only to find the challenge has been changed!!!

[Lightning Mate]

Ken,

You are of course absolutely right - my fault entirely so a big apology.

I won't in future succumb......

In the meantime, TC has hit the button and has declared Open House.

[skytrain10]

Thanks LM, sorry to winge but I've wasted a good 45 mins today looking first at Graeme's retracted challenge, and then yours.

[Lightning Mate]

A very valid whinge if you ask me. :\

C'mon RR, it's most unlike you to be slow responding to an OH. ;)

[Ridge Runner]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprun221110.jpg Here you go.... RR BIPLANES!!!

[RegDep]

The Empire Strikes Back.

[Ridge Runner]

ah, but which empire?

[Lightning Mate]

Something from Yokosuka?

[Ridge Runner]

Didn't they make pianos?

Sorry, David, no........

RR

[RegDep]

RR the Biplane Empire!

[Lightning Mate]

ah, but which empire?

Sun Up first job.....

[Noyade]

Weiss Manfred WM-21 Solyom...?

its a bit disconcerting (not to mention a waste of time)

Apologies Ken, Martin and others, but not a complete waste mate, I'll put it back at the next available opportunity...

How are ya David? How was your day?

[Ridge Runner]

Not that mate!!!!

[Noyade]

G'day Martin!

VL Tuisku...?

VL Tuisku - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VL_Tuisku)

[RegDep]

Graeme

In this picture there are, among other types, two Tuiskus.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/paakatselmus-47_ka_lekot.gif

I think they had wheels or skis, but not wheel fairings. Could be wrong, too.

Reg

[Ridge Runner]

Not Finnish boys!

[RegDep]

The challenge should be easy (sic!) because of the shape of the rear part of the fuselage which almost seems to bend upwards. Cannot be so many around, but..... :ooh:

[Lightning Mate]

How are ya David? How was your day?

Picked up some flak mate, but made it home intact!!

[RegDep]

Good morning RR!

How about a little nice subtle clue?

[Ridge Runner]

Brrrrr............ chilly, isn't it!

OK: Lynx

[RegDep]

Brrr.... yes. Thanks. Not that subtle, but nice.

IMAM (Meridionali) Ro.37 Lince (Italian for “Lynx”)

You made it to the Noyade 500 Hall of Fame :D. 569 built.

If correct, must be Open House. Will be away for two weeks - in the backwoods of nowhere.

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning.

Spoof......

Since the Lynx is the national animal of Romania, is that where this aircraft comes from?

[Ridge Runner]

IMAM (Meridionali) Ro.37 Lince (Italian for “Lynx”)



Sorry, Reg, no!

Not Romanian, David!

i can't see you all suffer - try Armstrong Siddeley!

RR

[drawbarz]

is it the Breda Ba.25...?

John

[Lightning Mate]

So far, the only one I have found with a fin like that is the A.W Aries, but little else seems to fit.

[Ridge Runner]

Breda Ba.25

Sorry but its not.

RR

[Noyade]

The undercarriage looks braceless...?

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1694/pprun221110.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/pprun221110.jpg/)

Rules out Fokker...


http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9581/lastscanshr.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/lastscanshr.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Has to be Armstrong Siddeley Lynx IV, just to use all clues, but need to find a a/c now......

[Lightning Mate]

Are we not looking for an Armstrong Siddely Lynx engine?

[Ridge Runner]

Not a Fokker!!! And to recap, not Italian, not Finnish and not Romanian.

I must admit that the suggested machines are all incredibly similar but not what I am looking for. Yes, A-S Lynx engine, by the way.

RR

[RegDep]

Avro Sea Tutor, 606 built.

[Lightning Mate]

Was I close with the Aries?

[RegDep]

Or Raab-Katzenstein RK-26 as built in Sweden by ASJA

[Ridge Runner]

Blimey....

Sorry but not Swedish, not British, and not Aries anything.......

RR

[Noyade]

Did this aircraft serve in WW2?

[Ridge Runner]

I doubt it... need to check.

In 1938 three of them participated in a round trip of the parent country, a total of 1087 kms

RR

[Ridge Runner]

Did this aircraft serve in WW2?


Not that I can see. It seems that only 7 of the 12 ordered were built and they flew in civilian guise pre-war, after the initial delivery to the National Guard.

RR

[Ridge Runner]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune241110.jpg

another view.... RR

[RegDep]

Ill redacted Italian roundel....

[Ridge Runner]

Not Italian or an Italian roundel, Reg

[Ridge Runner]

2-3 seat trainer, recce, parachute training aircraft

Its use.. RR

[RegDep]

Latvian LKOD KOD-2

Source: LKOD (Liepajas Military Manufacturing)

Acquired: Oct. 1937 (one aircraft), Jan. 1938 (1 aircraft), June 1938 (5 aircraft)

Type: 2-3 seat trainer, reconaissance, parachute training aircraft.

Engine: Armstrong Siddley Lynx 215/240 hp

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/AV017sp.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

You are there Reg!!! YOUR CONTROL

[RegDep]

Thanks RR. Open House.

Going now.

[Ridge Runner]

Nobody else on at the moment so here goes....

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprne241110A.jpg

[evansb]

Lancair IV-P ?

[Ridge Runner]

sorry mate, its not.

[Ridge Runner]

Its actually the CIAC T-90 Calima from Colombia, based on the Lancair Legacy. So, its yours mate!!! YOUR CONTROL!!!

[evansb]

Thank you. Very diplomatic of you. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH101124-1.jpg

[Noyade]

Afternoon Bri.

Looks very much like the mighty Voodoo.

[evansb]

G'day mate! Spot on:ok: The F-101 it is. You have control.

[Noyade]

Thanks mate!

It was a nice easy one. Thanks. Makes me wonder, maybe more people would play this thread if we added the odd easy one every now and again? (In fact maybe I shouldn't have answered it?!) The other thing is it would fill a lot of gaps in Mel's list which shouldn't exist.

Here's an easy one in return. The Statue is somewhere in London....

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7404/iikeeasyones.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/iikeeasyones.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

They look like B29s to me.

[drawbarz]

Yeah, and me...

Morning LM

[Noyade]

They are. :ok: Over to you David.

[Lightning Mate]

...and a very good morning to you mate. :)

Sorry - crossed posts - that was for drawbarz.

Good evening Graeme.

[Noyade]

Morning to you guys!

Did you see/hear Siddle's hattrick on the morning news...?

The Ashes 2010: Peter Siddle hat-trick rips out England's middle order | Sport | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/nov/25/peter-siddle-hat-trick-ashes)