Silhouette challenge

[Lightning Mate]

Morning mate.

Yes - I'm on thread. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Just trying to work out if it's 2 or 3 bladed.

[Mechta]

Hi LM, Its a two bladed prop.

Bomber has been waiting for his walk for a while, so I will be out again for an hour or so. I'll check how you're doing when I get back.

[one11]

Nash Petrel at Farnborough 1982 ?

[Lightning Mate]

C'mon Mechta for :mad: sake!!!!!

How long does it take to walk a dog????????????????


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/800px-Nash_Petrel_Farnborough_1982.jpg

Good night!

[Mechta]

Well done One11,

Correct on both counts.:ok: 'A' shed in the background rather gives the location away...

The Petrel was built here in Farnham. I saw six under construction, but only
two flew. The one pictured was a glider tug at Lasham until recently. Power on this one was a 180hp Lycoming.

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz96/s4racergp/12guess061110.jpg

[one11]

Silly shapes don't usually last long so please excuse the rubbish editing .........

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune0211-1.jpg

[RegDep]

Good evening / morning Gentlemen. What a beauty!

Must still stay in the hospital some more days for check-ups but will be online soon. Good to see you keep having fun.

Sent this using a friend's iPhone. Nice toy (pro-bono advertsement) :cool:

Take care. Over and out.

[skytrain10]

Good evening.....looks like the Gwinn Aircar?

RegDep...good to hear from you :). Hope you are all ok and that you will be let out soon. We've missed you on SC.
Cheers
Ken

[Noyade]

G'day Doug, the Gwinn "Aircar". :)

EDIT. Too slow.

please excuse the rubbish editingMate I like it!! :ok: How do you do it?.

[skytrain10]

Hah...2 minutes too late :).

Morning mate, how are you?

How do you do it?.
I astonish myself sometimes! Just one of those I remembered....because it looks a little unusual :)

[Noyade]

Good mate, yourself? How did the house repairs go?

[skytrain10]

Very well but a busy day. All cracks filled, sealed and painted. Just in time as we are due heavy rain tonight - hopefully the paint is now dry!

[Noyade]

That's good. Did you do the rendering? I'm going to have a go soon. Small job though, mail box and front fence...

[skytrain10]

No, I didn't do the rendering...merely a case of filling cracks in it. Just used PVA/water mix, then an exterior filler, then sealed again with PVA, then painted.

[Noyade]

That's were I went very wrong with some brickwork repair earlier this year. I didn't add PVA to the mortar mix and now it continually leaches lime in the form of powder and no paint will stick.

Anyway mate, I'll pop back later and see what you put up. Take requests? WW2 please! ;)

[one11]

Skytrain10 takes control - having been first to get the Gwinn Aircar.

Mate I like it!! How do you do it?.

Thanks Noyade. Lacking top-of-range graphics software I find low tech is faster.
1 - Scan image B&W or "grayscale" - preferable one already mainly black
2 - Print
2 - Apply black felt tip as required
3 - re scan

Cheers , Doug

[skytrain10]

Thanks Doug....

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/4e076695.jpg

[Arado]

Hi, folks.
I'll start the guessing with the Nanchang L-8.

Arado the slowcoach

[skytrain10]

Morning Arado - not the L-8/JL-8, and not from China.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning/evening. :)

1 - Scan image B&W or "grayscale" - preferable one already mainly black
2 - Print
2 - Apply black felt tip as required
3 - re scan

Blimey!!!!!

[SincoTC]

Good morning skytrain,

I found your drawing on a Vietnamese sight

It says it's the iranian OWJ Tazarv, but tail looks wrong in the photos, so I wonder if it's not one of the two earlier versions, the Dorna or Tondar

[skytrain10]

You'll find the 3-view on a few sights, but yes it is the Tazarv from Iran :ok:(in its original form as the Dorna). Production models have a swept tail and are well pictured on the web.

Over to you Sinco.

[SincoTC]

Thanks skytrain,

Yes, it was the swept tail and the exhaust that seemed different in all the Tazarv photos and Wiki cited the two I mentioned as the earlier developments that led to the Tazarv, but I couldn't find any photos.

I see that LM was about earlier and if he's not now in class he will no doubt put up my 031.

Edited to say that LM's light is out now, so I guess that he probably is in class for an hour or so. Therefore, as ther's a few regulars on line, I'll call Open House now so that we can keep it rolling, my coffee break's over now anyway.

Go for it guys

[Noyade]

Just keep looking at the wavy lines...you don't want to solve the silhouette...no, you just want to keep looking at the wavy lines...just keep looking at the wavy lines...you don't want to solve the silhouette...no, you just want to keep looking at the wavy lines...just keep looking at the wavy lines...you don't want to solve the silhouette...no, you just want to keep looking at the wavy lines...

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/912/opticalillusions5b.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/opticalillusions5b.jpg/)






I said keep looking at the wavy lines... :=

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/1957/pprune4638898.jpg (http://img607.imageshack.us/i/pprune4638898.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

All right....first guess Antonov An-24?

[Noyade]

Yes. :(.......

[one11]

Antonov An24 but could equally be Xian Y7 ?

The moral is dont waste time looking up obscure varients!!!!!

[Noyade]

Sorry Doug, Ken has it, and control.

So much for hypnotism.

[Noyade]

The moral is dont waste time looking up obscure varients!!!!!True!....... :)

[Noyade]

Blimey!!!!!Yeah!! It's brilliant!! Are you going to try it?! I am!! :ok:

Cheers.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Graeme. Will have to be Open House as out of challenges again!

Amend that - just done one so stand-by

[skytrain10]

Ok, here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/bd30366b.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Sorry TC -looks like I'm a bit late on thread for you.:\

Is the challenge the Jabiru?

[skytrain10]

Hi David....yep its a Jabiru, the J160 to be precise.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/ca6fc48c.jpg

All yours mate

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks mate.

Shall we wait a small while in case TC comes back?

I would like to donate the next one to him since I wasn't around when he won.

Your views please.

[skytrain10]

Shall we wait a small while in case TC comes back?
Happy to wait for a while....it would be a nice gesture as TC got my Iranian machine. Up to you as to how long you want to leave it for - say 30 mins or so?

[Lightning Mate]

OK then........:ok:

[SincoTC]

Art'noon LM,

Just coming up on my lunch break and I've got a busy afternoon ahead, but I'll leave my light on and check as often as I can, so you could put my 031 up if you like, Thanks :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Glad you came back mate.

You're back in control.:ok:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/TC_wtf031.jpg

[skytrain10]

Gribovski G-37 possibly?

[SincoTC]

To save you a lot of ferreting, it's not Russian!

It's from the mid-twenties. It is on a popular website, with this photo and some basic information. The manufacturer's name doesn't seem to fit well with the nationality of the site.

[Lightning Mate]

You're getting soft in your old age mate!

[one11]

The manufacturer's name doesn't seem to fit well with the nationality of the site.

Thanks for that. Schneider Sch-10M as per Aviafrance

[SincoTC]

Yup, definately getting too soft LM, but I do like to see things moving and an hour without a squeak gets me anxious!

That's the one, the Schneider Sch-10M well done, one11 has Control

There's a lot more interesting stuff about it here (and on the previous page), but it was a :mad: to find because of some damned seaplane trophy popular at the time.

schneider twin-fuselage | all-metal schneider | flight pdf | 1924 | 0802 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1924/1924%20-%200802.html?search=twin)

[Lightning Mate]

.......:D:D:D

to find because of some damned seaplane trophy popular at the time.

One of the great times in British aviation history I'll have you know!

[one11]

Thanks TC. Staying in similar years.......no felt-tip needed this time.
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune0811.jpg

[Arado]

Is this one of Michael O'Leary's early tests for standing-room-only flights ?

[SincoTC]

One of the great times in British aviation history I'll have you know!

No denying that LM, let's hear it for Lady H, RJM and especially in the present circumstances, RR (not you Martin, sorry mate) :ok::ok: It just tended to hog Fright Archive's limit of 100 results and I had to get devious to winkle out what I needed, lots of nice clue material, then I went and blew it :{

[Arado]

logging off for today, thanks for some frustrating challenges.
Am now massively behind with todays work.:O

Arado

[SincoTC]

Good evening one11,

It looks like you're on a lonely vigil at the moment, between the day/night shifts.

Just finished work and time for a quick look before I go too!

I think that your challeng looks like it may be a Letov SM-1 (with the Maybach engine)??

I'm off now, so please declare Open House if correct.

[dazdaz1]

Might It be a 'Nieuport' ?

[Lightning Mate]

It looks like you're on a lonely vigil at the moment

Not any more.

[one11]

I think that your challeng looks like it may be a Letov SM-1 (with the Maybach engine)??

I'm off now, so please declare Open House if correct.

Thats it TC, so as requested Open House

[Lightning Mate]

...and so it all comes around again after winning a challenge this morning and not responding:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat135-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Graeme, I found some great felt-tips mate..........

[Noyade]

I found some great felt-tips mate.......... http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6056/smartarse.jpg (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/smartarse.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Evening David. The Buhl Lark maybe?

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning Ken and goodnight Graeme.

Not the Buhl I'm afraid.

[SincoTC]

Morning LM,

It looks like the Cato Sport Plane of 1919 to me (AKA as the L-W-F-Cato)?

Starting work now, but will keep my light on and eyes open!

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning TC and bingo. :ok:

Give me a mo and I'll get your last one up.

Be advised I am not at work now until next Monday if you want more preparing.

[Lightning Mate]

Here's your last one mate.

You have control.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/TC_wtf033.jpg

[skytrain10]

Morning...the Kronfeld Drone?

[SincoTC]

Morning skytrain,

Not the Kronfeld Drone, but based on it!

[skytrain10]

SFAN II from France then!

[SincoTC]

That's the one :ok: The SFAN II Well done!!

skytrain has control

[skytrain10]

Thanks Sinco....

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/19d42c3a.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

is that a water loving machine, mate?

Hi, from IST by the way!

RR

[skytrain10]

Hi Martin

is that a water loving machine, mate?
Definitely

Thought you had been a little quiet - hows IST? Will we get a rush of Turkish designs on SC now!? :)

[Ridge Runner]

a bit crap, mate. I'm at a conference andstuck in room with bad back! Looking out of window I can see a building site although the airport is beyond - not what it used to be if you now what I mean!?

RR

[skytrain10]

Sorry to hear that mate...hope you're feeling better soon.
not what it used to be if you now what I mean!?
Yep, I know exactly what you mean.....

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon skytrain,

Not many bods about this morning!!
I've seen your photo before, listed as a Curtiss, but I think it's the General Aeroplane Co's "General" flying-boat of 1916 (looks like the same photo for both)!

Lunch break over now and I'm out of images at the moment, so if correct, it'll have to be Open House please.

Edited to say Get Well soon Martin and Reg, we miss you!

[skytrain10]

It has been very quiet, although I saw that a couple of others were loitering out there earlier.

Anyway, yes it is the General Flying Boat of 1916 :ok:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/22390d0e.jpg

All yours Trevor...if LM is around?

[SincoTC]

Thanks Ken,

I'm out of images at the moment, and in the light of LM's comment at #17066 above, I sent him another at coffee break to his home address, but I wouldn't expect him to do it straight away, as he's probably having a few days off (and what glorious weather fate's given him)

Better be Open House Please. I see a couple of others out there, so who knows?

[skytrain10]

Ok thanks. If no one else puts anything up within the next 30 mins or so I have another one which I can prepare.

[Arado]

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l586/Arado2/work%20backup/081110.jpg?t=1289312676
Apologies if this is too small, never used photobucket before, and it's a bit of a struggle for me.

Arado

[skytrain10]

Hi Arado... the Heston JC6?

[Ridge Runner]

bugger!!!!

[Arado]

a Heston, yes: but my source didnt call it a JC6.

Arado

[Ridge Runner]

the a2.45? even so I think Skytrain should have it.

[Arado]

I'd agree, but I wasn't sure how much latitude to give.
I had sourced it as the Heston AOP.
You have control, skytrain

[skytrain10]

Its known by all 3 names...see Wikipedia entry:
Heston JC.6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heston_JC.6)

[Ridge Runner]

Come on Ken, do your very worst!!!!

[skytrain10]

Thanks Arado

Here we go then:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/e70370ec.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Is this one a trainer, mate? Any link to the Stearman 75?

[skytrain10]

Is this one a trainer, mate? Any link to the Stearman 75?
Not a trainer and no association with Stearman that I'm aware of.

[Lightning Mate]

An apology to TC.

I received your mail mate, but have not yet had time to colour it in with a felt-tip pen. I will have it ready for tomorrow.

Watching the thread with interest.....................

[Lightning Mate]

Arado,

Apologies if this is too small, never used photobucket before, and it's a bit of a struggle for me.

I think I know what you are doing wrong. A PM might be an idea.

[Ridge Runner]

Back to the SC....

Is this a British machine, Ken?

[skytrain10]

Not British mate

[Ridge Runner]

OK, so would it be more oriental?

[skytrain10]

Not oriental either!

[Arado]

eastern european? A Letov perhaps

[dazdaz1]

Umm...How about the PT-17 Stearman?

D1

[skytrain10]

Not a Letov and not eastern European Arado...

And not a Stearman dazdaz1 (see my original response to Ridge Runner)

[Arado]

A final roll of the dice before hitting 90 minutes of motorway queues...
A Hatz?

logging off, so OH if correct.( unlikely, i know:hmm:)

Arado

[skytrain10]

Sorry, not a Hatz Arado.

Safe trip

[Mechta]

How about a Travelair 4 Biplane?

[skytrain10]

How about a Travelair Biplane?
Good call Mechta. You've got the make, but I need the model.
Note that this version was sometimes fitted with spats. There are photos on the web both with and without.

[Mechta]

I think I will take a punt at Travel Air 4D, judging by the slope of the top cowl:confused:

[skytrain10]

You've got it, it is the Travel Air 4D :ok:
Travel Air 4D | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/builder1975/2638136853/)

You have control Mechta

[Mechta]

Thanks Skytrain10, I was about to change that to the Travel Air B4000 on account of the undercarriage, but there seem to be any number of minor variations across the pictures anyway.

Next challenge up soon!

[Mechta]

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz96/s4racergp/12guess081110a.jpg

I'm off out for a bout three hours. I'll see how you're getting on when I get back.

[skytrain10]

Looks like it was put together in somoeones workshop overnight!

[Noyade]

The photo is producing an aura on my monitor....yes...yes...it feels like Aerofiles is trying to make contact with us?!...wait...wait...there's a name...possibly cropped from the photo...Dan?...Dan Shoemaker?!...no!...no..."Dan Shumaker!".

Quickly Ken!...look in Aerofiles!...I'll wait here, I'm exhausted after that.

[Mechta]

Skytrain10, you're not far off. The original used some 'borrowed parts from a very well known design at the time of a different nationality.

Noyade AKA 'Sherlock' is evidently very warm, and not just because of his antipodean location...

Update: Just checked, and I think Noyade may be partially leading you up the garden path....

[Noyade]

may be partially leading you up the garden path....

I don't recall a garden path in my vision mate, but us psychics aren't always right...otherwise we'd be millionaires. :)

(Don't be fooled by him Ken!.....go down the path...)

[Ridge Runner]

I'm confused and a little pickled.... where are we with this one?

[Noyade]

'borrowed parts from a very well known design at the time of a different nationality.

Dornier parts?

[Noyade]

Not sure if you were leading me in the wrong directionJust fookin with ya mate!

No Idea.

It just looks like an Aerofile photo and "Dan" is one of the biggest photo contributors on that site.

Alright, alright...I'm not psychic.

weeeeeeeiiirrrrddddddd!!!!!!!! Now YOU'RE scaring me Martin!

[Noyade]

How did that happen? I think PPRuNE is about to crash?

[Noyade]

OMG...857 pages, stacked up high...unstable...about to topple...is this the end of SC?!

Stay tuned!

[Noyade]

Not only am I downunder but my posts are going backwards in time?

Time Vortex?

Dr Who!

[Noyade]

Graeme, send a message - any message - I'm intrigued as to what time it will show!

I'm in a Time Warp...all my posts are locked into pp 856?!

[Noyade]

That works fine - Graeme?This is ridiculous..Ken! Ken!...pp 856!!! Heeeelllp me....

[Ridge Runner]

Really? So what is it?

[Mechta]

Hi everyone,

I'm at college today, so my visits here will be a bit sporadic. I think its clue time.

The designer became well known for this type of aircraft, and later on several of his employees went off to the ironworks.

cheers, Mechta

[skytrain10]

Graeme

I'm in a Time Warp...all my posts are locked into pp 856?!

Seems all your posts are 1 hour behind myself and Martin. Why PPrune can't just leave everything set on GMT is beyond me - it would make everyone's life so much easier. It is supposed to be an international forum after all!

Anyway Graeme at the present rate of progress your should reach P857 just as we roll on to 858 :)

[Ridge Runner]

Is this challenge a film prop? It would explain why it is made from "parts"?

[Noyade]

Okay...gonna try and get into pp 857...PPRuNe clock is 0926...

[skytrain10]

Guys, I have NO IDEA where this message will appear, but if you do find it, it is posted at 1043 GMT - it may of course appear at 0943!

I'm logging off as its impossible to have any sort of exchange!

Will try back later and see if there is any improvement.

[Mechta]

Hi everyone,

I'm at college today, so visits here will be a bit sporadic.

Clue: The designer later became well known for this type of aircraft (I don't mean 'rustic'). After the company merged with another, several employees went to the ironworks.

[Mechta]

Posts are appearing in odd places:confused:, please scroll back to 09:35 to find the clue.

[Ridge Runner]

Is your craft German, Mechta?

[skytrain10]

Morning all/Evening Graeme.
Really not getting anywhere on this one. Not sure if you were leading me in the wrong direction or not Graeme, but couldn't find anything in Aerofiles or the aforementioned gentlemens photo collection. In light of Mechta's comments about using parts from something well known my thoughts were Japanese or Russian, but the setting doesn't look right - in fact we've got houses fairly nearby that look like that! Is it British???

[skytrain10]

it looks a bit like a flying submarine?? if only they could - it would save them getting stuck on sandbanks off the Scottish coast!

How did that happen? My response to your comment Martin has appeared before you made it!

[Ridge Runner]

A Wackett machine, maybe?

[Ridge Runner]

a Wackett????

[Ridge Runner]

weeeeeeeiiirrrrddddddd!!!!!!!!

[Ridge Runner]

what is going on? Until a short while back there were no posts after my slurred one at 00:42 and then others just popped up!!!!

I've no idea on this but I reckon there are german parts there.... RR

[Ridge Runner]

where did my last post go??????

... and now it just appeared!!!!!!

[Ridge Runner]

Me too.. at 1126GMT

[skytrain10]

I think PPRuNE is about to crash? I think you're right mate - I can only see this post (timed at 0907) when I hit "reply"!
Think I'll log off and log on again.

Logged off and have logged back on - at least all messages show (other than Martin's comment about the flying submarine). I think they have a clock issue though in that messages are appearing out of sequence. Graeme, send a message - any message - I'm intrigued as to what time it will show!

[Ridge Runner]

HELLO BOYS - checking the clock!

[skytrain10]

HELLO BOYS - checking the clock!That works fine - Graeme?

[skytrain10]

Not only am I downunder but my posts are going backwards in time?

Time Vortex?

You could be the first person to answer the challenge before its posted!! :)

[skytrain10]

Hi Martin....its not British mate....Mechta said in one of his earlier posts that its not British or German - and not a film prop either.

[Ridge Runner]

Test Post Because My Others Aren't Appearing


... at last!!!! My suggestion has been that the SC is a film prop????

[Ridge Runner]

Posts are appearing in odd placeshttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/confused.gif, please scroll back to 09:35 to find the clue.


Mechta - there is no 09:35!!

[Mechta]

Not a film prop, not German or British.

[Mechta]

Sorry, my post appeared at 09:39 not 09:35. strange things are going on here today!

[skytrain10]

Test post, timed at 1123 GMT

[skytrain10]

Second test post timed at 1128 GMT

I will delete these messages shortly so don't panic when they disappear!

[Ridge Runner]

Mechta - is it a Short machine? A design by Arthur Gouge?

[Mechta]

Hi Ridge Runner,

No its not a Short design. Its not British, German, Japanese or Russian either.

As my previous clue got a bit lost, here it is again:

Clue: The designer later became well known for this type of aircraft (I don't mean 'rustic'). After the company merged with another, several employees went to the ironworks.

I'm at college today, so I won't be able to check between 1.30pm and about 5.30pm GMT.

[Lightning Mate]

Good afternoon gentlemen.

It looks as if Dr. Who has been on thread!

Just to let you know I won't be around much until the weekend. I shall keep the odd eye on the thread in case TC wins a challenge.

[Lightning Mate]

After the company merged with another, several employees went to the ironworks.

If that's the same ironworks after the merger as with a floatplane I posted some months back, then this thing was American.

[Mechta]

LM, you're getting warm! :ok:

[Lightning Mate]

Would it be the Liberty Ironworks and its' association with Curtiss?

[Mechta]

LM, Its not the Liberty ironworks, but the designer's own company eventually became part of the Curtiss empire.

Lessons are starting now, so I will be back on when I get home around 5.30pm.

[Ridge Runner]

no red "Herring" there??

[Ridge Runner]

Rather than a Herring I gues its a "product" of Burgess? I can't find any reference to it though! RR

[Ridge Runner]

is there anybody.... out there????

[Mechta]

Things are evidently moving a bit slowly on this challenge, so here's another clue.

The manufacturer, but not the designer, shares its name with a very famous rock band which recently changed labels and is having its recordings digitally remastered.

[Ridge Runner]

nothing to do with Zeppelin then?

[Ridge Runner]

Aerosmith???

[Mechta]

nothing to do with Zeppelin then?

Hi RR,

Er... No!

Keep going though. I think you know it really!

[Ridge Runner]

Judas Priest? ;))))

[Ridge Runner]

Fleetwood??? or is it the AC/DC AC-1?? ;)

[Ridge Runner]

if you are talking VERY famous the list is shortish....

LZ
Beatles
Pink Floyd
Yes
The Who
Queen
Genesis
Metallica
U2
The Eagles
and a few more....

and I can't imagine it being a Jimi Hendrix Flying Boat!

RR

[Mechta]

Hi RR,

Well, unless I need to go to Specsavers, it ain't a U2... :}

Now you've named the bands, you just need to tell me which one it is.

[Ridge Runner]

Being a yank it would be an Eagle I guess?

[SincoTC]

Hi Mechta,

1912 Queen Aeroboat, and it's been Loening not Burgess as the connection?

[Ridge Runner]

b*gger Sh1t c&rse!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done Stig!!!

[Mechta]

Well done SincoTC.:D The Queen Aeroboat
Loening may well have invented the first flying boat that actually flew. While working at the Queen Aeroplane Company in the absence of his boss, Loening began the quick (and unofficial) construction of a powered flying boat. It was an improved version of the 1909 Aero Club glider, with a full-length hull supporting the tail and wings, as well as small floats under the wing tips to provide stability on the water. Several marginal flights were made in June 1912, a month before Glenn Curtiss (http://www.blade34.com/pls/apex/f?p=110.:1:1366947456573962.::NO::P0_NODEID:1409) flew his flying boat.
Over to you! :ok:

Commiserations to Ridge Runner for doing alot of the leg (or mouse) work.:D

[SincoTC]

Thanks RR and sorry !!

I had looked at Loening earlier, but this one escaped me, probably because Aerofiles somehow deemed fit to code it as mid-wing :ugh:

It will have to be Open House as I'm off very soon (not soon enough though eh Martin :) )

Good Challenge Mechta, it certainly had me ferreting around too, during my breaks today!!

[Mechta]

Open House it is chaps!:ok:

Just for clarification, the answers to the clues:


The Queen Aeroplane Company had the licence to build Bleriots in the USA, and it was a pair of Bleriot wings that Loening used.
After working for the Queen company, Loening set up his own company. When this was sold to Curtiss-Wright, several of his employees, including Leroy Grumman, set up the Grumman company, which was often known as the 'Grumman Ironworks' on account of the ruggedness of their products.
Queen, the rock band, have just changed labels from EMI to Universal.

[Ridge Runner]

ah ha....http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune061110C.jpg

I must admit I don't know how to use Aerofiles! I use my only file - my brain!! Ah well....

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry boys. I thought more of you would be on line. I'm travelling in the morning and so I guess it will go under the new 12-hour rule..... unless someone cares to look very soon, as I need to get to bed! RR

[Noyade]

Looks like another Aerofiles photo mate. American?

I use my only file - my brain!!

I so want to type something....but I won't. :)

Cheers
The Time Traveller.

[skytrain10]

Morning Graeme

Your instincts on the flying boat were correct albeit that it wasn't a Shumaker photo. But it was in Aerofiles. Unforunately I stopped looking when it was implied you were leading me down the garden path - I should have known better!!

[Noyade]

Evening Ken! Colditz soon?

[skytrain10]

At 2200, so in another in just under 1 1/2 hrs time!

RR's challenge certainly looks American - sort of reminds me of a Beech Bonanza with a twin tail ,and fixed undercarriage by the look of it.

[Noyade]

Unforunately I stopped looking When you "look" you're searching using a description/combination of words in the search section of Aerofiles...right? You're not seriously going through it from A to Z looking at every photo?

[Noyade]

probably because Aerofiles somehow deemed fit to code it as mid-wing :ugh:

I suspect Sinco is a wizard when it comes to that search engine...:(

[skytrain10]

you're searching using a descriptioncombination of words in the search section of Aerofiles.
Defintely - there is no way I would go through page by page. Not practical anyway due to our slow internet connection.

[Noyade]

I see. Thanks. So one really needs to know..exactly..how Aerofiles define aircraft shapes and the odd bumps and pieces? For example, Martin's machine...are they "end-plates", "twin-fins", "H-tail"..etc...?

[skytrain10]

So one really needs to know..exactly..how Aerofiles define aircraft shapes and the odd bumps and pieces?
Thereby lies the problem - Aerofiles has a series of abbreviations to enable you to search (see the section Data Codes) but not all aircraft descriptions have them and they are pretty limited. Items such as twin/V tails are not covered, unless they are written in the aircraft description. But take the Beech 18 as an example - there is no mention of it having twin tails - which is after all its most recognisable feature!

[Noyade]

Right.

OK then, I will continue to operate according to Plan B. Namely, be patient, bide my time and wait for you and/or Sinco, or someone else to come up with the goods and hopefully the next challenge bypasses Aerofiles...;)

[Noyade]

Well I gotta keep moving mate, so, enjoy Colditz, good luck with Aerofiles and "I'll catch you later" as they say in the Police Force...:ok:

[skytrain10]

Grumman G-72 Kitten II possibly - in its original twin tail form?

Not really convinced but its the closest I've found so far!

[Ridge Runner]

Hello boys.... just off to the airport.

American? Yes!

Grumman G-72 Kitten II? No, sorry

I will be flying soon, landing 1030GMT and back on SC around lunchtime. Good luck.

By the way, I can't find it in Aerofiles but it is on the web!

RR

[RegDep]

Hallo gentlemen,

Looks like ERCO / Forney Ercoupe but why would it then be difficult to find? I know, different back line.....

Or an exotic modification or test type of Downer Bellanca 14-19-3c Cruisemaster / 260C

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry RegDep, not a Bellanca/ERCO/Ercoupe/Forney

[RegDep]

OK. Was this an one-off?

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon Reg,

I hope that you're getting on OK, I haven't much time to play today, but I found this at lunch time, maybe you could follow it up, the concensus there was that it was a Max-Holst M-52, which it isn't, but the picture is Martin's Challenge aircraft, could it be a home-built?

http://www.aviationbanter.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26426&d=1212852694

Help With Plane ID - AviationBanter (http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?p=639391)

Good luck!

PS. Hope you had a good flight Martin, what's your Lat/Long now?

[Ridge Runner]

OK. Was this an one-off?
Yes

Not a home built

not a Max Holste machine

Sorry!

Now back in LGW. Been in IST

Rr

SINCOTO: your's is clearly the machine. Now, what is it?

[RegDep]

And Californian hills behind the field....

The AviationBanter thread went through the same process as I.

You said it is not in the Aerofiles. Do you mean the picture isn't or not mentioned at all?

[Ridge Runner]

I couldn't find it mentoned. They are not the California hills!

[RegDep]

Now someone who knows Aerofiles better than I must help. What would be the attributes of an American aircraft whose description, written in many ways, would mostly return the same designs (as in my earlier guesses and the same of AviationBanter), which would be an one-off but manufactured by (in?) a company (not a home-built) but is not mentioned in Aerofiles at all. A concept aircraft, not considered a "prototype"? A concept aircraft of a designer who worked for a company and did something else for his main job? I tried to look names who worked with the "usual suspect" (see above) companies, the last was Otto C. Koppen, but to no avail. :(

[RegDep]

Thanks Sinco, and thank you gentlemen for your kind wishes.

I am back, well and fit.

Off the thread I would say: gentlemen, get your colon examined when over 50. Where I live, the basic health insurance system foots prophylactic coloscopies for all who want and are over 55.

This one of mine resulted in a proximity warning only; the latest one three years ago was a near loss, and I needed to come back via the repair shop.

Do it. Just Do. If you want more encouragement, please feel invited to PM me.

Reg

[SincoTC]

You're very welcome Reg and thanks for the good advice! BTW, a belated Happy Birthday, if I'm correct in thinking that your counter has incremented since the last time I noticed it :)

Just finishing a hasty coffee break, so can't stay, but a couple of questions for RR, was the manufacturer a "known brand" i.e. did they make other readily identifiable aircraft, or would the name be "new" to us? Also, a year (or thereabouts) would be really helpful for this elusive little bugger!!

[skytrain10]

Been out and about all day so just catching up.

Not being in Aerofiles doesn't exactly help but there again, as I have found before, Aerofiles does not cover everything or even every variant. One thing I will ask - is the manufacturer in Aerofiles? I'm assuming it didn't go into production?

[RegDep]

Thanks Sinco. You must be correct in that my counter has incremented since the last time you noticed it, however, my bithday was almost two months ago :). But honestly, I am moved that you mentioned it.

[RegDep]

Skytrain, RR confirmed my assumption that it was an one-off.

[Ridge Runner]

was the manufacturer a "known brand" i.e. did they make other readily identifiable aircraft, or would the name be "new" to us? Also, a year (or thereabouts) would be really helpful for this elusive little bugger!!

Not really a "brand" but known, yes. They have made other aircraft but under different organisational names. I'll try to find the year but it was the 1950s

Did not enter production Skytrain - only one built

RR

[Ridge Runner]

SincoTC - late 1940s

[Ridge Runner]

Not really a "brand" but known, yes. They have made other aircraft but under different organisational names. I'll try to find the year but it was the 1950s



Don't take my response too literally. It was made by a government organisation essentially that exists today under another name.

[SincoTC]

I'm back!

Thanks for the latest clues Martin, I have a hunch to check out now

[Walter-Karl]

Hi RR

The Triciclo (threewheeler) by MCA (Maestranza Central de Aviacion) of the Chilean AF. One built, 1947, 100hp Franklin engine

If correct, OH please

[Mechta]

Was it a Fred Weick design for NACA? The Ercoupe & Cherokee influences are there.

[SincoTC]

Ah so RR, you did say it was American but you didn't say North American did you :)

it's the Triciclo-Experimental manufactured by the Central Workshops of the Chilean Air-Force, the Maertranza Central de Aviacion at Santiago !

Edited to say that I see that WK has pipped me to it, blasted work!! Well done and welcome back! Good Challenge RR :ok:

Also, that I see that we're now based on the the US West Coast Time Zone :confused:

[RegDep]

That was like watching Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner (RR), Wile from a mirror :sad:

[Ridge Runner]

You are there W-K!! Well done!!!!!!!!!!

You have control!!!!

Walter has declared OPEN HOUSE!!!

[skytrain10]

Good hunting WK and TC. How you found it I don't know, but well done anyway :D

[SincoTC]

Thanks skytrain,

I have a feeling that it's likely to be in Walter's lovingly compiled book of around 6000 aircraft geeneral aviation aircraft, although it may be a tad early for that!

As for me, good old (some say) "Fright Archive", which, once you have an idea of the year and can do a one word search is pretty good!

air force | royal aero | aero club | 1949 | 0190 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1949/1949%20-%200190.html?search=Chilean)

I see our late lamented friend William Green took the photo, so it's very likely to be in one of his books (if only I had some)!

[Mechta]

I had a look in 'The Aircraft of the World' by William Green and Gerald Pollinger (Macdonald 1965), whcih is normally a good source of obscure stuff, but it wasn't in there...:sad:

SincoTC, Well done on finding it the the Flight Archive :D. I didn't get any links to it and that was after we knew what it was.

[RegDep]

It is of course here, but I found it only afterwards http://ivansiminic.********.com/2006/11/los-primeros-pasos-del-pilln.html

[Noyade]

I am back, well and fit.Well done mate. Reg, we'll never meet but my heart goes out to you. My father died of bowel cancer and my wife nearly died from it.


Off the thread I would say: gentlemen, get your colon examined when over 50I seriously recommend 40, especially if there is a family history.

Where I live, the basic health insurance system foots prophylactic coloscopies for all who want and are over 55.That's a great idea! But I still think 55 is too late in life...But we (Oz) can't talk, we only offer a "dipstick **** test" after 50 and couldn't even get that right first time round!...

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9552/useless.jpg (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/useless.jpg/)

Do it. Just Do. If you want more encouragement, please feel invited to PM me.Ditto.:ok:

[Noyade]

On a lighter note...

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6035/regrz.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/regrz.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Thanks Noyade, I know exactly what you are talking about! If we can make one person go and get his/her polyps removed before they get bad, we have earned our day.

On your lighter note, are we talking about an Anzani engine and a radiator on one side (cheek?), visible in the challenge on the aircraft's right side

[Noyade]

On your lighter note, are we talking about an Anzani engine and a radiator on one side (cheek?), visible in the challenge on the aircraft's right side

Sorry mate, my coffee wasn't very strong this morning...and I've stuffed up somewhat with this.
I had a look at Mel's list after I posted it. I was staggered to learn that in a way I have already posted it...well the more recognisable version that is. So rather than delete I'll press on...here's a partial line drawing of the nose...it was eventually altered and they produced thousands...

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5999/closeupbn.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/closeupbn.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Bristol F2?

[Noyade]

Bristol F.2A :ok: Your control.

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9371/2view3226702.jpg (http://img577.imageshack.us/i/2view3226702.jpg/)

[RegDep]

Thanks Noyade!

However, I have to turn in (it is 23:20 over here). So, it is Open House. Have a good nite!

PS: Edit to say, that it was too easy after the clue: With 5,329 produced it had made its way to Wikipedia's List of most produced aircraft, where 5,000 is the limit, and it was the second biplane from the bottom.

[Ridge Runner]

ok, here you are...http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune061110B.jpg

[Noyade]

From Argentina mate? The one I'm thinking of is on Mel's list.

[Noyade]

You're as bad as me Martin!

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5568/iaedl225794382.jpg (http://img252.imageshack.us/i/iaedl225794382.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Mel's list. ........................

I.Ae.36 Condor II
I.C.A.R. Comercial
I.S.T.M. XL-14 Maya
IAe.37
IAe-22DL
IAR317 Airfox
IAR-824

[Ridge Runner]

oooppsss..... sorry!!!!

Your control though!

[Noyade]

Sorry Martin.....having PC/scanner issues....Open House.

[Ridge Runner]

ok, easy one....http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune091110.jpg

[one11]

Fokker F.26 Phantom , 1946 project

Open House if correct , as just going out.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning/tag/evening all.

Just passing through.

[Lightning Mate]

I can't log out!!!!!!!!

Ignore my green light.

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, the F.26, One11.

OPEN HOUSE has been declared again!

[RegDep]

I am pretty sure that one11's post appeared on my screen only after LM both posts. Am I seeing things (or maybe NOT seeing things)? :suspect:

Good call though :) of course.

[Lightning Mate]

Good afternoon every one - I'm back from family activities.

What do I find but an OH.

How are you RD?

Does anyone know what the permanent Prune time of 0800[PST] means?:\

[RegDep]

Hallo LH! I'm doing just fine. And you?

PST for Pacific Standard Time? Whom would that be good for? The Beach Boys??

[Lightning Mate]

I'm OK mate.

The 0800[PST] isn't changing though. Wherever it is it's in a time warp!

Would you like to take the OH? - I have the last of yours ready.:)

[RegDep]

If you are prepared to give the turn to me, why not. If you want to post for yourself, of course you should David.

[Lightning Mate]

Well, I have an unusual one lined up, but I think we should celebrate your safe return from the Krankenhaus.

So, from RegDep here is:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/RDnewjob-1.jpg

[RegDep]

Thanks LM! I wish I remembered what it was. Let's see......

About the PST mine shows the same -0800 (PST) as yours. My time here is appr. 15:00 at PPRuNE. What is yours (we should have one hour difference in our relation to the Curlfoonians)?

[Lightning Mate]

We're on GMT - now 1400 as is the Prune clock.

Standby for ident on PM.

[RegDep]

Hmm. But you should then have -0700 :confused:. Probaly we should leave this problem to the real professionals in astrology :uhoh:.

[Lightning Mate]

Since at the moment only RD and I know what this is, it seems a good time to bugger off!

......bye bye - wiedersehen. :)

[SincoTC]

Hello Reg,

Coffee time for me, quiet innit?

I think that your oldun is a Hungarian Kolbanyi IV monoplane of 1912

I think that it had better be an Open House if correct, as I have to get away sharp tonight at five pm, (that's 9am on the US West Coast for what it's worth) Dunno what that'e all about, I suppose it's someone's quirky way of showing that PST is eight hours behind GMT (UT) but why they want to is a mystery!!

[RegDep]

Hi TC! Quiet indeed.

Yes it is the Hungarian Kolbanyi IV monoplane of 1912

Geza Kolbanyi (1863-1936) was one of the aeroplane and aero-engine
designers of the initial stage of Hungarian flying from 1909. The
Kolbányi-Galcsek 6-cylinder, 60 h.p. air-cooled, fan-type engine was the
most valuable part of his first machines.

So, on request of SincoTC, Open House is hereby declared.

[Ridge Runner]

Great!!!
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune121110.jpg

[RegDep]

Didn't I see this as my first score ever on this thread some month ago? Or one of my first scores after Norge C?

[Ridge Runner]

did you? And what is it then?

[RegDep]

Nieuport 6G hydro monoplane, then the picture was reflected by LM.

[Ridge Runner]

Ah, then you are not correct!

Actually my source may be wrong! I have it as the "Nieuport IV G Hydro monoplane"

Therefore you have control!!!!!

[RegDep]

I'll be d-d!

Then we meet at dawn. Please take your lieutenants with you, Monsieur.

We need to exhume post 13069: http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/332082-silhouette-challenge-436.html#post5879968

I take it back, then.

[RegDep]

Thanks RR!

EDIT: No guarantee that this source is any better than yours, but see the tail and lower fin in VI Nieuport IV and VI (http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/N_6.html)

Allez-moi etc.

OPEN HOUSE

[Ridge Runner]

I have to go, sorry... Back on Monday!

[Lightning Mate]

............................................................ ..?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat137.jpg

Didn't like the new felt-tip Graeme - used the old one........................

[Noyade]

Still looks good mate! You sure can't beat felt-tips :ok:
Why so quiet your end mate? Exam time at the College of Aeronautics and you gotta watch for cheats?

The challenge...American?

[Lightning Mate]

Evening mate.

I have been on leave all week and daughter has been to stay, that's why I have been quiet.

The challenge was American, circa 1979 I believe. Very few built as it was thought the design was flawed both in terms of structural integrity and aerodynamic stability.

One went to Queensland!

Purchased as a kit for home building.

[Noyade]

That's good David! I was thinking health problems.:ok: