Silhouette challenge

[skytrain10]

LM...unfortunately I dont think there is anyway of seeing the exact time difference.

evansb....my BushCaddy challenge generated a few other pictures of aircraft wtih rudders on the floats. Guess that may have caused some confusion. But yes, for what its worth, the picture posted by RR is an Avid floatplane.

Shutting down now guys, will check in later and see if RR's offering has been solved.

[Ridge Runner]

Non-challenge photos posted on this thread are confusing me.

Sorry evansB!

[Lightning Mate]

Non-challenge photos posted on this thread are confusing me.

Why evansb, when they look nothing at all like the challenge?

I'm supposed to be the geriatric old git on this thread - please don't try to look like me mate, because you are merely a youngster. :O

[skytrain10]

All seems very quiet...no guesses, no clues!

German?

[Ridge Runner]

not a German

[skytrain10]

But European, yes?

[Ridge Runner]

it depends how you define Europe!

[teusje]

Russian then?

[Ridge Runner]

Yes, Russian

[Noyade]

G'day Martin!

Not sure but maybe the "Anadwa VKh"...?

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5601/595460435.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/595460435.jpg/)

The construction of the Anadwa VKh used two Anatra D fuselages, joined by a new wing that was still using elements of the Anade wing. The left fuselage was occupied by the pilot, and the right by an observer. The aircraft's gunner was located in nacelle attached to the centre of the upper wing providing an excellent defence capability. Early models were powered by a pair of 100hp Gnome-Monosoupape engines. Test flights started on July 9, 1916.

[SincoTC]

G'eveninig Graeme,

Good to see you back on the forum mate!

I'm just whiling away some time until Martin confirms your answer.

digging a little deeper about the VKh. Seems that it was rebuilt fairly early on, using Anasal fuselages with Salmson 150hp water-cooled radials and was also called the Khioni-4 after designer V.N.Khioni who helped Anadwa

Morning LM, Yes I just found that one too, just above an un-pronounceable quadraplane!

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning TC. I'm whiling away time too.

You are correct methinks, but I know where the image came from:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Anadwa_VKh-1sm.png

TC,

Saveljev - pronounced Saveljeef I think.

[SincoTC]

Thanks for that LM.

Still digging and learning all the time! I was involved in the "infernal combustion engine" business for more years than I care to remember, but I've only just found out that these Salmson radials didn't have the usual Master/Articulated Slave-Rod assembly, but had a patented (Canto-Unne) arrangement of gears to keep all the identical con-rods in respectable order and alignment. Judging by the numbers produced, they must have been fairly reliable but the system was ultimately abandoned.

[Noyade]

Good to see you back on the forum mate!Thanks mate. How's life with you?

Well, I was just lucky. It looked a little "Anatratish" and found a mention of the Anatra D and googled images and lo and behold that photo popped up. :)

[Ridge Runner]

Yes boys it is the ...
http://www.pprune.org/drawings/Anadwa_VKh-1sm.png
Anadwa VKh

The construction of the Anadwa VKh used two Anatra D fuselages, joined by a new wing that was still using elements of the Anade wing. The left fuselage was occupied by the pilot, and the right by an observer. The aircraft's gunner was located in a nacelle attached to the center of the upper wing providing an excellent defence capability. Early models were powered by a pair of 100hp Gnome-Monosoupape engines. Test flights started on July 9, 1916. The tests results were very favorable, but aircraft did not go into production. The reason for this might have been due to its weird design.

However I'm not so sure that the photo you posted is the ame machine? It looks bigger. Any way Noyade YOUR CONTROL ..... BUGGER!!!! I thought it was a sure thing for a long challenge! A curious machine !

Nice to see you back Graeme!!!!!!!!!!

[Noyade]

However I'm not so sure that the photo you posted is the same machine? It looks bigger.

Maybe it isn't?! I just posted as fast as I could. lol. Maybe the photo I posted is the VKh Anasalya? (below)...

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4154/anasalya.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/anasalya.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Anyway, I'll accept the trophy! ...

New challenge...

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8360/returnmaybe.png (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/returnmaybe.png/)

[Lightning Mate]

WTFO?................

I feel that Graeme is now :zzz::zzz::zzz:

I think the challenge is Russian, and that's not a nosewheel in the centre.

[Lightning Mate]

That is not a scanned image, it's a low resolution image from the net I feel.

So guys, where is it from? :\

[SincoTC]

So guys, where is it from? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wibble.gif

It's from the Wizard of Oz mate, that's where !!! :confused::confused:

The closest I've got is the Caudron R-4 but that doesn't have enough inequality of span and I couldn't find a picture of the scaled down but similar R-6, but I doubt that's it.

I've had a pretty good look at Russia with no luck and had similar thoughts to LM about that "nosewheel", but then I may have missed something!

I've got go now 'til Monday, keep up the good work guys

Good Challenge Graeme; I'm fine by the way thanks and I hope the answer to your image's name is in the affirmative :ok:

[Noyade]

Sorry guys, fatigue set in last night. (The problem with the time difference reminds me of the movie "Ladyhawke" from the 80's)

No David, it's scanned, you should know me by now! :)

Clue...

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1161/silhouettez.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/silhouettez.jpg/)

[Lightning Mate]

It's a ringer for this one, but it's a flying boat.

Was there ever a land-based version?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/loughead-f1.jpg

Just discovered that there was - the model F1A.

[Noyade]

That'll do me David! Your control. :ok:

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5328/62651680.png (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/62651680.png/)

(I'm off to see "Three Brothers and a Funeral"...catch you later in the week.)

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks Graeme.

I couldn't find any photos of it though, except on one site which refused to show me "copyrighted image".

Now we know that it was a converted flying boat, it explains the nosewheel. A flying boat is never designed to be tail-heavy.

Here's another one for a lazy Sunday:

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat272.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Well, it sure is a lazy Sunday.......................

[Lightning Mate]

I NB that you are out there one11...........:)

[Lightning Mate]

Whilst you all try to solve my challenge, what is this aeroplane?

The aeroplane you sods...THE AEROPLANE.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/Stewardess_Girl_Pictures_ACP.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Whilst you all try to solve my challenge, what is this aeroplane?
The aeroplane you sods...THE AEROPLANE.....

A Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) Boeing 737-214 I believe.

[Lightning Mate]

Really !!!!

[JEM60]

Was going to say L.1011, but no third engine.:bored:

[Lightning Mate]

Good morning everyone.

Cluetime - it's Russian, 1916.

[skytrain10]

Good morning LM

Is it the Tereshchyenko 7?

[Lightning Mate]

Morning skytrain.

It is indeed.

You have control. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks David. Hope you had a good weekend? We decided to make the most of the nice weather so not been around much online.

Next offering follows shortly.

[skytrain10]

Something fast and furious!

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc131.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

It looks like a squashed Boeing SST! Did it fly?

[Ridge Runner]

That fin looks very MIG!

[skytrain10]

Sadly it didn't fly....

[skytrain10]

Not a Mig design RR.

[Ridge Runner]

but from tha red star country?

[skytrain10]

Not a Russian design.

[Ridge Runner]

Sadly it didn't fly....


Was it built?

[Lightning Mate]

First chance on line since this morning.

This thing seems to have six engines, and I'm baffled by the jobbers up front, because they simply don't look like canards.

Did it originate in the Nevada desert?

[SincoTC]

Lunchtime and something to have a shot at!

Is it the Boeing Model 804-4, Boeing's Entry for the WS-110A study ?

Not sure about the final dash number, as the Model 404 appears to have had ten iterations and the image I found was as your image except the foreplanes didn't seem to be folded up!

[skytrain10]

RR....no, it was never built.

LM...it originated in Seattle I believe!

Afternoon Sinco...got it in one...its the Boeing submission for what eventually to became the XB-70.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/BoeingModel804-4_sc3.jpg

You have control SincoTC

[SincoTC]

Thanks skytrain,

Unfortunately, I'll have to be Open House as I'm back to work in fifteen minutes!

[Lightning Mate]

Nicely done TC.

Did you say Open House?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat273.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Didn't we have something very similar to this only a few days ago, looking like a Dornier?

[Lightning Mate]

We did, but this one isn't a Dornier.

[Ridge Runner]

ah ha... nor was the last!

[Lightning Mate]

Would that one be your post #9941 on page 498?

[Ridge Runner]

This one looks and smells French to me!

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/fish_hook_19482_lg.gif Do you mean garlic?

Your sense of smell isn't working properly! Not French.

[skytrain10]

Talking of fishing, my thoughts were that it was Russian....but yet to find anything that quite matches....

[Lightning Mate]

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/fish_hook_19482_lg.gif for you as well!

No red stars on this one. :)

[skytrain10]

Thats quite a significant dihedral on the lower wing....should make it stand out from the rest....in theory!

[Lightning Mate]

Mmmm - it might well do.

[Lightning Mate]

I have to go offline for just over an hour, so herewith clue for you all to be going on with.

Only one was built and it was the only floatplane/flying boat ever built by this company. ;)

[Lightning Mate]

PS,

You now know that it didn't carry a red, white and blue tricolor or a red star.

Might have had black crosses though...........

[Lightning Mate]

Only one was built and it was the only floatplane/flying boat ever built by this company.

Surely that narrows down the field considerably. :\

[Lightning Mate]

...diese flugboot aus ein spezial werke ist......

[obnoxious]

tweet:ugh:

[SincoTC]

Evening LM,

Before I bugger off home, I think it's the DFW-Flugboot aka Flying Boat of 1914 ?

If correct, then Open House please!

[Lightning Mate]

obnoxious, who do you think we are on this thread?

:mad: budgerigars ???????

Now then, just how do you spell that...............tweet I mean....

[Lightning Mate]

Great shot TC.

Der DFW Flugboot 1914.

TC has sadly declared Open House.

[evansb]

Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH100621-1.gif

[skytrain10]

Interesting one Bri. The lack of side view makes me think that would give it away? Looks like a utility aircraft....from its appearance not that old. Bearing in mind the radial engine, would it be from Russia/Eastern Europe?

[skytrain10]

Thinking more about it....is it the ICA IS-23 from Romania?

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/is23-12.jpgskytrain is correct. :ok: The I.S.-23 A. Your turn.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Bri....

Keeping with the more modern theme:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc125.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Limited time so a quick shot.

An Alon?

[Ridge Runner]

it looks much newer than that to me, mate

[skytrain10]

Not an Alon, and as RR says, its much newer.

Out now for a few hours, so will catch up later.

[Walter-Karl]

Skytrain10,
The Terzi T-9 Stiletto from Italia?

[Lightning Mate]

Your next one is lined up and ready WK.

[Walter-Karl]

Thanks Dave!
Lets wait till skytrain10 is done shopping and see his verdict

[Ridge Runner]

tum ty tum ty tum........ er........ (twiddles with thumbs etc).......

[Lightning Mate]

I also have to go now for just over an hour.

Apologies.

[skytrain10]

I'm back!

Well done WK :D, it is the Terzi T-9 from Italy:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/TerziT-9Stiletto.jpg

You have control

[Lightning Mate]

All yours WK.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/WK7.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

We've had this. I posted it months ago but I can't remember the name!!!! Skytrain will know!

[Ridge Runner]

Actually I think that maybe I was going to post it!!! It is American. My image was from Air Pictorial. It is something like a "Smith SM-1" or a similar

[Lightning Mate]

I'm just the proxy poster (and proxy has an r in it). :confused:

[skytrain10]

Davis DA-1 I believe?

And assuming it is, yes we've had it before....

[Ridge Runner]

Yep, that's the one!!!!

[Lightning Mate]

Confucius he say

"......................................."

[Ridge Runner]

tum ty tum ty tum... (2nd time around)...... more thumb twiddling!

[Lightning Mate]

Time to stop twiddling thumbs.

Amuse yourselves with this pic.

Mine's the one lying down.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/_RetroAirplanOutfits_14.jpg

Once a fighter pilot, always a fighter pilot.............

BTW RR,


tum ty tum ty tum.

Should that not be "tum titty tum titty tum".......?

[Lightning Mate]

.....and the aeropane..?

It's the LM Kinnell 1 !....

[Lightning Mate]

Wossa definition of a fighter polit?

Answers on a postcard please......................

I agree with you RR.

[MReyn24050]

Amuse yourselves with this pic.
Has this particular fighter pilot got a thing going for 1960 Air Hostesses of Pacific Southwest Airlines? That looks like a Lockheed L-1011-1 TriStar of PSA.

[Lightning Mate]

Has this particular fighter pilot got a thing going for 1960 Air Hostesses

I sure DID!

It does not pay to be too selective Mel.

If you are out of fuel and weapons, any port in a storm will do...........:E:E

Lockheed L-1011-1 TriStar? What Lockheed? I don't see an aeroplane....

[Lightning Mate]

Since nothing is going on:

Wossa definition of a fighter polit?

Big mouth, big watch, big dick, pay by cheque..........

Your turns.......

Anon....

[skytrain10]

Mel, yes I think you're right, despite the "distractions" I'm pretty sure it is a L1011...and could well be PSA.

Now how about a more recent (but sadly demised) airline:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/HootersAir.jpg

Meet the Hooters Air cabin crew....now, I know which crew I prefer!

[Lightning Mate]

ABSOLUTELY TREMENDOUS.

.............you dirty old bugger...

[Lightning Mate]

However skytrain, did you say Hooters? :

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/hooters.jpg

Caption contest for the drunk on the right........(it's not me....)

Be back shortly - off to take a cold shower...............

Am I in the right part of the World?

I thought I was on Silhouette Challenge..........:\:\

[skytrain10]

Am going to have to sign off now, so if correct Open House.

[Walter-Karl]

Emergency is over
The Davis DA-1 it is

[Lightning Mate]

Emergency over?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat270-1.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

Bugger, I missed the OH!!!!

I reckon yours is a kraut, David?

[Lightning Mate]

It's not German Martin.

[skytrain10]

Morning all....American?

Yes, I know I'm fishing!

[Lightning Mate]

Hook in mouth - it is indeed a yankee-doodle.

[skytrain10]

Verville-Packard R1?

[Lightning Mate]

The question mark makes me think you are not confident.

It is indeed Ken.

Also known as the Verville-Packhard (Sperry) VCP-R.

It's all yours. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Its just that I found 3 different pictures, and whereas one more or less matched, the tail in yours seemed smaller. Down to the angle of the photo I guess.

Next one follows shortly.

[skytrain10]

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc132.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Very challenging!

T-tail, bubble canopy, and a retractable.

Photographed on a sunny day maybe in Eastern Europe......

[skytrain10]

Summary of the aircraft is spot on.

As to where the photo was taken I am not sure, but it is not an eastern European aircraft.

[Lightning Mate]

I've found something very similar, but with a small ventral fin, made in France.

Rotax engine?

[Ridge Runner]

Is it from a glider manufacturer?

[skytrain10]

A leading question RR....the manufacturer has produced unpowered gliders but is probably best known for this particular machine.

[Ridge Runner]

Well to me the back end looks very much a sailplane!

[Lightning Mate]

I'll punt Swiss...

[Ridge Runner]

I'll wade in and suggest that its a Grob?

[skytrain10]

Not Swiss LM.

I don't want to lead anyone down the wrong track....so this may help. It was built from the outset as a motor glider, hence the sailplane style tail.

And not a Grob RR

[spook]

Hoffmann H-40

[SincoTC]

Good Afternoon skytrain,

Could it be the Valentin Taifun ?

I'm just finishing my lunchbreak, so if correct, please declare Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

Is it made by Valentin?

Sod it TC!

[skytrain10]

Hi Spook....sorry, not a Hoffmann.

[skytrain10]

Well done SincoTC, its the Valentin Taifun from Germany.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/ValentinTaifun.jpg

Sorry LM, pipped at the post again!

Open House has been declared

[Lightning Mate]

Since I was only a minute out, I'll jump in if I may.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat276.jpg

An extremely rare photo of it.

[Lightning Mate]

BTW skytrain,

Your'e having a good run of late. :ugh:

[Ridge Runner]

I'd say that yours is another yank LM

[Lightning Mate]

Why do you say that RR?

[Lightning Mate]

OK RR.

In answer to your probe, here is a recent photo of the same lake on which the challenge was moored.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/houseboat2-752667.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

SCandic? Not Iceland as I see a tree!!!

[Lightning Mate]

I don't think they have "houseboats" in Iceland, but they are very popular somewhere else......

[Ridge Runner]

New Zealand? Or I go back to the north - Canada?

[Lightning Mate]

Not New Zealand or Canada mate.

.....and you can rent them for holidays.....

[Lightning Mate]

I have to go offline for an hour.

In the meantime RR, why don't you re-trace your steps. :)

[Ridge Runner]

I'll plump for Norway, David. Now what is the aircraft?

[Lightning Mate]

Martin:

I'd say that yours is another yank LM


I didn't say it wasn't.......:)

[Lightning Mate]

OK, this should almost give it away.

The stretch of water is Lake Union.

......and at the moment the thread is all yours.

[Lightning Mate]

Have you discovered where that is yet?

There's a big factory there......

Or are you just hanging out for another clue?

[Ridge Runner]

So Seattle then? I'll dig around

How about the Boeing 1?

[Lightning Mate]

Sure is mate, and guess which company is there.

[skytrain10]

Lake Union = Seattle = Boeing...is it the Boeing B & W?

[Lightning Mate]

Bingo.

Otherwise known as the Boeing Bluebell, the only floatplane built by the company.

Designers were William Boeing and George Westervelt, hence the B&W.

Good work mate, the thread is all yours. :ok:

[skytrain10]

Thanks LM, the clues helped...sorry could'nt pay attention at the start of the challenge...work called!

Let's see what I have lined up next...be back shortly!

[Lightning Mate]

BTW Martin.

When you suggested it was a Yank and I asked you why you thought that, which nation had colour camera technology in 1916?

Just had to be American.

[Lightning Mate]

Duck......incoming......:uhoh:

[evansb]

Boeing built a replica B&W in 1966, and presently hangs from the rafters in a museum. I think the photo, based on an original black-and-white photo, is colourized.

[skytrain10]

I was wondering if the photo was the replica?

Sorry guys but internet is so slow here at present that everything freezes when I try to access photobucket...its taken 5 mins just to get this far on SC.

So rather than hold everyone up I'm declaring Open House.

[Ridge Runner]

An easy one for sure.....

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune220610.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Yeah - looks Russian - but it aint innit....

skytrain,

Sorry guys but internet is so slow here at present that everything freezes when I try to access photobucket...its taken 5 mins just to get this far on SC.


That's cuz you're at the end of the world look you boyo......

[Ridge Runner]

Well I thought it would have gone by now, but ........ Correct, not a Ruskie....

[skytrain10]

I can at least get this far....Shenyang J-5?

[SincoTC]

Hi RR,

A parting shot before I go home, is it a Shenyang J-5 ?

I was going by the aerial behind the canopy, but I see that if it's correct skytrain has pipped me to it!

[Ridge Runner]

sorry, no mate. At least this variant isn't

[skytrain10]

Or perhaps the J4?

[sycamore]

Must be a LiM-5

[Ridge Runner]

Nope!!! What was the J4??

[Ridge Runner]

Not a Pole my friend

[SincoTC]

Czech S-102 or S-103 ??

[Lightning Mate]

I think the secret lies around the ventral strake....

[Ridge Runner]

Not a Czech.

I should say, to avoid being misleading, that somone already touched on it but obviously my response wasn't clear enough.

RR

[Ridge Runner]

I think the secret lies around the ventral strake....


Really????

[Lightning Mate]

Something isn't right, but it looks like an FT-2....

[Ridge Runner]

Not an FT-2 but you are right! Something doesn't look right!

[Lightning Mate]

How about a JT-2 then.

[SincoTC]

OK, so how about the Chengdu J-5A (F-5A) ??

I was going to say the Shenyang J-2 but I saw LM's post above

[Ridge Runner]

Sorry but no again. You are all hovering around it but just not there. There is an important aspect to this machine that all those already mentioned do not have

[Lightning Mate]

Bollocks..........

[Ridge Runner]

as far as I know it hasn't any

[Lightning Mate]

It's also got all the attributes of a Fagot.

[Ridge Runner]

has it? Which are they then?

[SincoTC]

You said someone had touched upon it, and you previously said to skytrain "Nope!!! What was the J4?? ", so what about the Shenyang J-4 then??

[Lightning Mate]

has it? Which are they then?

Almost all of it apart from one detail...........

[Ridge Runner]

I was referring to someone suggesting Chinese, which it is. Not a J-4 though.

LM - which detail?

[SincoTC]

I'm a bit puzzled by that sticky-up thing behind the canopy; is it a test aircraft for ejector seat trials ?

[skytrain10]

Internet back working properly now....seems to be a lot of chat!....the Shenyang J4 was I beleive used for both the Chinese MiG-17A and F models. The only other one I thought of was the J2 but thats already been suggested.....time to look in the books I think!

[Ridge Runner]

Now SincoTC has a point!

[SincoTC]

One last shot then I must go; how about the Shenyang BA-5, remote controlled Drone variant od the J-2 ?

I understand that this was later converted to sample radiation frpm A-Bomb tests and called the Shenyang CK-1A

[Ridge Runner]

Bingo!!

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/ba5_01.jpg

The Ba-5 target drone was based on the J-5, a Chinese copy of the Soviet MiG-17 (NATO codename: Fresco) subsonic fighter. The target drone has the original pilot seat in the cockpit removed to provide additional space for the automated flight control system. Several hundred retired J-5s are believed to have been converted air-to-air and surface-to-air missile testing.

Additionally, the PLA Air Force is believed to be exploring the possibility of using the unmanned Ba-5 drone for ground attack role. The aircraft simply serves as a ‘cruise missile’ by flying to the target zone and then plunge into a large area target such as airport or depot.

No place for the bollocks LM! SincoTC has control!

[Lightning Mate]

LM - which detail?

The rear lower fuselage......

[SincoTC]

Thanks RR,

Good challenge and good fun :ok:

Unfortunately, I've gotto go now, so it's another Open House please!

[skytrain10]

If I may resume from where I left off:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/SC134.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Bugger Ken - that was 3 minutes.....

...............faster than a Frightening pilot.............

[Ridge Runner]

A Curtiss machine? My thought process revolving around that tail, the slim rear fuselage and thewing.

[skytrain10]

Not a Curtiss.

[Ridge Runner]

OK, but to save any hunting, it is a yank? A Seversky?

[Ridge Runner]

A Seversky 1XP?

[skytrain10]

It is from the US, but not a Seversky.

[Ridge Runner]

I think the clue is in the wing

[Walter-Karl]

Fairchild M-84C ?

[Ridge Runner]

Fairchild M-84?
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Coates/3878.jpg

[skytrain10]

Sorry RR, WK gets there first by 2 mins, its the Fairchild M-84. I'm not sure where the C suffix comes from, but its good enough for me!

Your have control WK.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning all.

Herewith the next from WK.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/WK8.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

The gods are silent again.

[skytrain10]

Vey silent....I keep thinking its French (maybe a homebuild) but cant find anything that matches. Whats more frustrating is that I've seen this somewhere before....:ugh:

[Lightning Mate]

Me too.

I thought of Pander, Dessoutter and Deperdussin amongst others, but nothing matches.

Found some interesting stuff in my travels though.

[Lightning Mate]

Ahhh - sweepback!

[Ridge Runner]

Is it actually so old?

[Lightning Mate]

Well, it ain't in Breguets', so you might well be right mate.

[skytrain10]

I'm not convinced its that old....maybe 50's, or perhaps 60's.

Time to ponder over a spot of lunch!

[Lightning Mate]

The other thing which is bugging me is that very narrow in-line engine.

[Lightning Mate]

You still working on this RR ?

[Walter-Karl]

Skytrain10 is close. It is homebuilt and it is from France. and the era? the first one 1950 and the second one 1982, but maybe that one was not completed.
The designer created some more conventional and several unconventional types. Despite the ancient lines he had a somewhat contradicting name for this one

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon Walter-K,

Could it be the Starck AS-90 "New Look" ??

I've been trying to find an illustration, but with no luck so far. I have to get back to work now, so plesae declare Open House if correct.

[Lightning Mate]

Good grief TC.

You're going to have to tell us how you found that one!

We've been running around all day.

[Lightning Mate]

WK, you just went off-line !

[Walter-Karl]

Hi SincoTC. Perfect sherlockholmingandwatsoning. It is indeed the André Starck AS-90 New Look.
Please send PM with email so I can send photo/text

As suggested by SincoTC, Open House please

[Lightning Mate]

Just where did you find that great challenge WK?

I'm not telling you where I found this one though.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat280.jpg


Please send PM with email so I can send photo/text

I think we would all like to see that.

[skytrain10]

Nice challenge WK....and its reminded me where I've seen it, or at least a picture of it. Saw another Starck model at a flying event many years back in the UK, and the pilot (maybe Andre Starck himself?) had a homemade brochure with pictures/diagrams of all the various Starck models built....if only I had a copy!

Now yours LM...a motorglider...Polish maybe?

[Walter-Karl]

Dave, did you find yours, at the local gliding club?
My best guess is the Motorraab and/or a homebuilt conversion of a Raab glider from Germany

[Lightning Mate]

Good evening skytrain and WK.

Motorraab and/or a homebuilt conversion of a Raab glider from Germany

Not that one, but it is German, not Polish.

[spook]

Scheibe SF-24B Motorspatz

Actually forget that the u/c is all wrong!

[Lightning Mate]

OK spook - I'll forget it....

[Lightning Mate]

WK,


Dave, did you find yours, at the local gliding club?

Wot ??????

Me? Rotate speed 195 Knots..............

Try two jet engines and lots of s p e e d

Sod it - I'm off for dinner. Good night.

:):):)

[Ridge Runner]

So even hard core fighter jocks have to eat? My illusion is shattered mate! I thought you survived on lashings of JP-4 and munching on MIGs!

[Lightning Mate]

Nah mate.

Didn't care for raw JP4. Glenavtur was much better. Russian aluminium wasn't as nice as EE aluminium either.

[Ridge Runner]

You ate your own Lightning?

[Lightning Mate]

Eat, drink, breathe, sleep, dream Lightning.

Now, how ya doing with the challenge?

Methinks cluetime soon, but nobody else is on thread at the moment.

[Ridge Runner]

I'll be honest that although my light is on I have been deep in work stuff! Sorry. I did look up German motor-gliders yesterday without success.... clearly!

[Lightning Mate]

OK RR.

This was not a motor glider, but a two-seat training sailplane.

One or two were converted to motor gliders.

[skytrain10]

In view of your last clue, would this be a powered version of the Schleicher Ka-4 Rhonlerche II, aka the Rupert Rhonlerche II?

[Lightning Mate]

Bullseye skytrain.

I was just about to post the designers' name, Rudolf Kaiser.

Please take the thread. :D

[SincoTC]

Good work skytrain,

I'd just found this, but when I logged in you'd got there first :ugh:

Photos: Schleicher Ka-4 Rhonlerche II Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Schleicher-Ka-4-Rhonlerche/1599924/&sid=1f369a41feda2cb2b2409e9648be73dd)

[Lightning Mate]

That's hapenned to me more than once mate - bloody annoying innit!

[SincoTC]

Sure is mate!!,

following up on yesterday.

Good grief TC.

You're going to have to tell us how you found that one!

We've been running around all day. ...

The clue is in the search string !

starck new | new look | orly | 1949 | 0966 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1949/1949%20-%200966.html?search=unconventional) ailerons

I'd got the text but not the images when I posted, it was v-slow!

I found this afterwards

Tapez le titre ici (http://www.macla.fr/Projet%20%20Stark%20AS90.html)

Interesting as it shows it was quite small, and if you look at the Flight images, you'll see that the Pilot was to put his feet through holes in the fuselage side (missed out on the model) onto the rudder pedals mounted on the U/C legs, a bit draughty methinks, and no bloody instruments at all on the dash!!

Looking at it again, I think that the "pilot" in the model is a bit on the small side!

[skytrain10]

Thanks David, an excellent challenge...

Here we go:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/Silhouette%20Challenge/sc124-1.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Thanks TC.

The tatty 3-view at the bottom of your second link is how I originally received it from WK. It only took a couple of minutes to convert it to the one that was posted.

Would you believe I've got another nineteen of WKs lined up !!

Now, what is Ken going to throw up? It won't be an OH that's for sure.

edit - here we go.......

[Lightning Mate]

That's a bar steward of a perspective problem Ken. :(

Think I've solved it - it's banking away from us.

[seacue]

'Tis a Waterman flying car, banking toward us. Different wing tips, however.
Google Image Result for http://hooniverse.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/waterman-lead.jpg (http://tinyurl.com/24othck)

[skytrain10]

Yep, correctly deduced LM. And as its not too clear, thats a pusher prop at the back.

[seacue]

Unfortunately I can't find the image which I THOUGHT that I had ready.

So it will have to be OPEN HOUSE, I fear. Grrr.

[skytrain10]

Not a Waterman Flying Car seacue.

Seacue, can I ask that in future you wait for the person posting the challenge to confirm the identification is correct before you post your own offering. I know you had nothing on this occasion (which was just as well) but it would have confused everyone had you posted your own challenge.

Thanks
Ken

[Lightning Mate]

One little fish before I depart.

Is the engine a Rotax?

[SincoTC]

And one from me before I get back to work,

Is it a Mitchell Wing ??

[seacue]

Pardon me.. I got confused my the sequence of p0osts. Age is really showing.

[skytrain10]

Not a Mitchell Wing SincoTC

And not a Rotax engine.

[Lightning Mate]

Got to go and buy some more worms now.

Catch you this evening. :)

[skytrain10]

Pardon me.. I got confused my the sequence of p0osts. Age is really showing.

Don't worry seacue, its easily done....we are all getting older!

[Lightning Mate]

Get some in mate. :E

[Lightning Mate]

Available as a kit?

[skytrain10]

I believe its only available as a complete aircraft.

I'll give clues on this if it doesn't go quickly as I will be offline this weekend....so it has to go today!

First one....it was designed in the US, but manufactured in Europe.

[Lightning Mate]

Just off to buy a new keyboard and mouse - won't be long.

[SincoTC]

Good evening skytrain,

One parting shot before I go offline,

Is it Norm Castagneto's SWIFT motorglider ?? I found some photos from 2002; it looks very similar, except for the prop fairing which looks more squat and housing a Koenig engine

http://www.twitt.org/Swift_02.jpg

http://www.twitt.org/Swift_03.jpg

I've just found a more recent photo of it as made by Aeriane in Belgium and called the Swift-PAS

[skytrain10]

Hi Sinco...it is, sort of! Reading the article about Mr Castagnetto I believe he just happens to be the owner, or possibly a builder but not the manufacturer. The aircraft is called a Swift but is manufactured by Aeriane.

Anyway I think you are close enough, its actually called the Aerianne P-Swift.

See this website for information: Aeriane Light aircraft and composite applications (http://www.aeriane.com/)

As you are going offline, are you declaring Open House?

[SincoTC]

Hi skytrain,

You just posted as I added that above, I thought that maybe he was the designer, so I went looking for a recent manufacturer!

Yes please Open House, thank you

[Lightning Mate]

"Wattisham scramble one Lightning. Vector SC make FL360 max climb rate"

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wossat282.jpg

skytrain, please check PM very shortly.

[Lightning Mate]

Now then chaps, I don't do this very often:

A 34 year old LM.....Mission Commander Red Flag Nellis AFB......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/RedFlag81.jpg

BTW, wossa squadron?

[skytrain10]

54 Sqn GR1?

[Keith.Williams.]

Peter Wyngarde innit?

[Lightning Mate]

54? Who is that outfit?

You NB'd the chock innit!

Not the fifty-fourth. :)

[Lightning Mate]

Oozat Keith.....?

Kinnell mate, I just Goobled him.

Wossa goin' on?

[skytrain10]

Caught me out....so would it be 17 Sqn?

[Lightning Mate]

17? Who are they?

Nope.

[Lightning Mate]

For those of you who come on thread later, ignore the banter.

The challenge is post #10247.