The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

[EZYramper]

I had stage 3 on Wednesday and then got lucky and managed to get a slot the next day at Nursling. James do we fly out 5th or 6th?

It's still sinking in that I got through!! I get more and more excited everyday! There is sooo much to get sorted now though, as someone said before this is like stage 5 of selection!

[chocky]

Does anyone have any details for the suggested hotels to stay at in Bournemouth?

[bjkeates]

As has been pointed out elsewhere in the thread, your best bet (if your selection day is at the Bournemouth training centre) is one of the many B&Bs in Christchurch, specifically one of the good selection of them along Stour Road. It's about 10-15 mins drive/taxi ride from the airport and within walking distance from the train station if you're going down on public transport. Google is your friend! :)

[EZYramper]

I'd highly recommend staying on one of the ones on Stour Road, the train station is only a two minute walk away and then so is the high street with all the shops. Make sure you book in advance though as they usually fill up really fast!

I stayed in the Stour Villa which was fine, didn't have wifi though but I did manage to borrow an iron.

If money isn't an issue and you aren't driving you could always stay in one of the hotels in Southampton and then get the train in the morning straight to Christchurch and a taxi to the airport. I stayed in the Ibis which was next door to the station for about £60, very nice room, left me very prepared for the sim.

[BornEvil]

Hi there,

I booked my Phase 2 for the 31/07/07 about 10 days ago now. I recieved a confirmation email almost instanty after i booked online.

Today, I looked in the booking notes section of the online aplication form, (where it tells you what to bring such as certificates, passport, photo etc) and found this:

Please note that with immediate effect, payment of the selection fee is now made at phase 2, not at phase 3 as previously. Payment must be made by credit card, by ringing 023 80 742 442 within 24 hours of making your booking to confirm your booking. The amount payable is £176.25 inclusive of VAT.

On the confirmation email (yes confirmation email) it did not mention the charge put at phase 2 (instead of phase 3 as where everyone else says, i gathered from this forum).

Well I am obviously over the 24 hours, am i screwed????

Nick

[bjkeates]

I wouldn't worry about it, especially if there is no mention of it in your confirmation e-mail. It sounds like it's a fairly recent change. Just give them a ring on the number given and explain the situation. They're very friendly and helpful, I'm sure it won't be an issue!

[mallinderjb]

We fly out on the 5th, its the day after my birthday!

Wonder how many are on our course?

Yeah there is so much to do, got my class 1 on the 17th August and I'm also in Bournemouth that day to sort the finance stuff out with the bank!!

look forward to meeting you guys!

[Shakuri]

mallinderjb- Nice birthday present!!

Just wondering, I sent my application last week and stated that I could not start training until around 01/08/2008 due to being in my final year at uni, do you think they will make me wait a while to do selection or could I do it sooner? I'd much rather be able to know what my future holds before i graduate.

[Alann]

Hi people, hi Nick!

I've just seen on my application the same change on the application fee. :confused:

Have you already called CTC? Did they tell you the reason for that change?

I'll call them a bit later, as I wasn't exepcted that expense at that stage, I must arrange a little bit my finances!!

Alann

[Alann]

Hi!

I just called CTC but my line was so terrible, I was hardly understanding what the person was saying... :bored:

So I haven't been able to ask anything about that change.

Anyway that's paid now!

Bye!

[mallinderjb]

Hi,

Yeah you can go through selection no probs.

They said that to me when I first applied which was over a year ago, I just never got my ass in gear to go to phase 2 because of uni work etc. It is about 5 months the wait to go from the time you pass so by the time you've got through all the stages you won't be far of that?

Thanks

[BornEvil]

I called them up today and it was not a problem at all with my l8 payment. My Phase 2 is still tomorrow, 31/07/07. wish me luck

i actually forgot to ask why and when did they changed the time of payment for selection fee...

Nick

[Magix]

Hello friends.

I have found informations about application description of Phrases II->IV. But I can not find thing about how much time we are waiting for verify our application (Phrase I)? ... Average latency is?

[mattkcraven]

Varies, for me it was about 3 hours, lol.

[pcoltas]

Bit late now I know but anyone on CP52 flying out a week tomorrow (8th) that hasnt already joined the facebook group- get on it! :)

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2351616918&ref=mf

And good luck to everyone going through selection at the moment :ok:

[Shakuri]

Well I havn't received a reply yet and I sent my application on friday! :S

[flightless_bird]

It took a couple of weeks for my confirmation to come through (and it felt like a really long couple of weeks) so don't stress about it too much.

[BornEvil]

My reply for phase 1 was @ ~10am via email, when i sent off the application @5am in the morning! this was only 2 weeks ago.

btw i passed phase 2 yesterday, subject to retaking maths test. that reply was next day as promised on the day.

though i messed up Pialp completely as i got seriously bad marks in the shape colour match excersise, 1st attempt 0hits:25miss, 2nd 2:28, 3rd 0:35!!! this was because i did not realise that i had to press the keypad to chose the colours, instead i was trying to click the screen with the mouse. a big doh!!!

i did ok in the other tests, 666 in deviation, 10-10-10 in fly boxes, the (last) multitasking test i did quite good, about 4:1 hit miss ratio. all miss' r with the counting test where u had to pull trigger, i'll blame it on finger cramp.

[Shakuri]

Nice1 BornEvil, i guess maths was a lil bit hard then? guess that's what i'll be looking at improving.

In regards to application, I sent mine on firday evening and still havn't heard yet, wondering if its via an inbox system and it's at the bottomof the pile, but then again I don't want to bother them saying "I sent my application off on friday and havn't heard anything yet".

[BornEvil]

No, for me the maths test was not hard at all, i have a degree in physics for crying out loud, but tbh it is not really relivent as it is just number crunching!

I guess i was in bad form, waking up early (5:00am) to train down to bouremouth, 2 hours plus cab ride. getting there more than 2 hours early (13:00 appointment) and trying to find a place to burn time. I would seriously recommend staying the night and be very fit on the day.

the fatigue really made my performance poor, its just brain dead @ the wrong time.

[EZYramper]

I'm just exploring all the various insurances that you need to take out before starting the course.

Loss of License
Loss of Class 1 Medical
Loss of Life
Health Insurance and Repatriation

have I missed any?!

Could any current cadets please PM, who did you go with, who did others go with, what should I expect to pay?

cheers guys

[RS999]

I've just received an email from Paul Jones Insurance Services regarding my insurances required prior to going to NZ on CP57 next January. Details are as below....



Hi


I understand that you are booked on a course in the near future for the CTC Wings Training Programme.

You may have taken advantage of the HSBC Professional Studies Loan and as you are aware, the Bank requires certain insurances to be effected to protect the loan. I would like to clarify that although the HSBC Professional Studies Loan conditions require Life Assurance and Bond Insurance, these do not have to be arranged through the Bank, (indeed they do not have a facility for arranging Bond Insurance).

We have arranged a package of insurance covers, designed to protect the loan and your investment for the training course, together with medical expenses and personal property whilst travelling in New Zealand and these include:

a)Term Life Assurance in respect of the bank loan undertaken
b)A bond protecting the training investment, in the event of your loss of medical status, preventing completion of the course
c)Medical Expenses and Repatriation Insurance for the duration of your training in New Zealand
d)Insurance in respect of Personal Possessions whilst in New Zealand

Whilst this package is designed to meet your insurance requirements for the duration of the training course, should you have any other insurance requirements, we would be pleased to discuss these with you.

I can confirm the premiums required for the insurances noted above are as follows:
Term Life Assurance 2 year period £188.67
Training Bond (Loss of Medical Status) until type rating is achieved or a maximum of 24 months £367.50
New Zealand - Personal Accident, Medical Expenses and Repatriation £377.89
New Zealand - Personal Possessions and Money £3000 £110.00 (+ £30.00 to add Personal Liability)
Personal Possessions and Money £4000 £140.00 (+ £30.00 to add Personal Liability)

These premiums apply to cadets up to the age of 29 - please contact us for a quotation if you are not in this age range. Cover may be available at an additional premium for excluded activities listed on the policy summaries. Please contact me if you wish to have a quotation.

An application form and proposal forms are attached which should be completed and returned to us together with your payment which can be by cheque payable to Paul Jones Insurance Services Ltd, debit card or credit card. Please note that we will require the start date (if shown), expiry date, issue number (if relevant) and security numbers shown on the back of the card as well as the card number. There is a 1% service charge for credit cards

Please note a separate proposal form is attached for Personal Possessions cover which will also need to be completed and returned to us. Details of the model and serial number will be required for laptops/notepads and any items valued over £500.

We recommend this package of insurance as being suitable protection against the risks noted above whilst undertaking the CTC Wings Training Programme and as outlined in the enclosed Summaries of Cover. Our Terms of Business are attached for your reference.

On receipt of your instructions, the completed applications forms and payment we are able to confirm to the Bank via fax, that appropriate cover is effective to avoid any delay in the Bank implementing the drawdown facility.



Is Paul Jones Insurance Services the only ones who deal with this?? I'm going to be flying to NZ on 9th January 2008 and will be 30 years old on 30th January so not sure how this will affect my premiums with them.....

Anyone know of anyone else who deals with these types of insurance?

[R T Jones]

When I went for my loan application, I did ask what cover needed to be in place. Was told that HSBC want loss of life and CTC want loss of medical. Anything above that is optional. I guess it just depends on your personal opinion for the rest. I know my mum has family travel insurance so I would assume my medical expenses would be covered on that. Guess it’s another thing to call them up and ask about!

[PAJ]

The CTC Wings scheme is very specialised as I am sure you are aware - CTC offer that much security and piece of mind (or so to speak anyway!!) to lenders that they have arranged for HSBC to give you up to £75k unsecured on top of mortgage commitments/ student loan commitments if you have any (although I should add that this is case dependent from HSBC's stand point). To take out such a loan without any significant assets or legal guarantor, a form of secutiry is required and that is where Paul Jones come in - the predominant cover HSBC are interested in is the Loss of life and Loss of Class 1 medical as these immediately bar you from a career as a pilot. They know CTC intimately and have decided that they will be profitable from insuring people on the scheme. Other insurance companies tend to be reluctant to insure against the £75k when they do not understand the scheme or for that matter the nature of new pilots entering the industry. There are a few aviation specialist insurers that may agree too insure you but I highly doubt you would get any cheaper offer - if you have loads of time until you get out here (like CP57), search around because Paul Jones is still fairly steep, and from my understanding, you need to be insured for 2 years to cover until your line training is complete and you then fall into the airline's benefits contract. This means forking out twice for the £800 odd.

Cover for loss of life and loss of medical are the key ones HSBC are intersted in, but for yourself, you would be very wise to get some medical and repatriation cover as you will not get cover ont the state out here - one of my coursemates required a minor op just after arriving costing about £2000 and PJ paid up very efficiently to cover the full amount as I understand. Being so far from home, it can pay to have the peace of mind. As for possessions insurance, this is your call. I have it as losing all my stuff would severely bankrupt me!! The latter two you can shop around for but normal travel insurance will I doubt cover it as you are out of the country for so long.

As for being 30 years old, you are by no means unique there and to my knowledge it has no effect on your premium. Hope that helps.

[EZYramper]

I haven't received an email from Paul Jones yet but I think that I'd rather have an insurer that knows CTC and what they are about instead of having to explain something to a claims adjuster just for them to say "oh well if we knew that we wouldn't have insured you!".

Cheers for the info guys.

For those on CP56 I have set up a Facebook group because I'm a saddact and decided to copy the CP55 lot!!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4147036697&pwstdfy=270b47dc4d1930834b69dee2190820e4

[Niagra1]

its ok EZYramper, we shall go easy on you when you get out here a month after us :ok:

[Easy226]

just recieved really good news - i have been sucessfull with ctc selection and going to be on CP 56. Over the moon - has not really sank in yet!

[mallinderjb]

Nice one matey, you'll be in the same group as me!!

Phase 4 is a good experience ain't it!

[General Zod]

Everyone seems to be rattling on about how much fun phase 4 is.

As someone who's had to stew for 2 weeks waiting on my phase 4, can anyone give me any gen?

Are you expected to sit in the SIM and fly that bird straight off??

What does the intro give/not give you??

[R T Jones]

It is fun but you don’t appreciate how fun it is until they've told you your successful! I remember during mine for most of the time I was aware he would be looking at my performance, only briefly did I forget the other person next to me and really enjoy it! You are given a briefing beforehand which lasts nearly as long as the sim it’s self. I believe what they expect of you is related to how much flying experience you have. Everything you need to know is included in that and they make it clear if you have any questions at any time then just speak up. I have found that throughout my selection process everyone at CTC has been fantastic at relaxing you and getting the best out of you. I know it’s been said a million and one times but do relax and just do your best. As long as you know that you've given your all there is nothing else you can do.

[TheoAD]

What is the average age of the cadets that get taken up??

thanks!

[RS999]

I don't think there is any hard and fast rule to average age of people being taken on by CTC Wings. I'm 29 and will be 30 two weeks after I start CP57 but I've also heard of 19 year olds and every age in between being selected.

Selection is based on your ability to learn to become a Commercial Airline Pilot and at each Stage your performance against a standard, albeit very very high, not your age.

I would imagine though that CTC have to think very carefully about the upper age limits (of which there are none anymore) due to the employability of a Wings Cadet by their sponsoring airline. These airlines have to be confident that you will be employable for as long as possible but it's a fine balance between how long you will be able to be employed for and what life experience you will bring into this career.:ok:

[Shakuri]

Hi all, just found out I'm through to stage 2! I've said the earliest i can start is july next year, so I am on hold for the moment, when do you reckon they will contact me to come? Thanks!

[Barcelona cadet]

Hello !
Just found out that I passed phase 2 I have to go back in september for Phase 3. In the email that they send me they said that I'll have to be there at 8:45 but does anyone know when does it finish? I need to book flights to come back.

Thanks

[RS999]

My Stage 3 ended at approx 1400hrs although I waited around until 1630hrs to hear my result as I was provisionally booked on Stage 4 the following day.

[greywind]

Phase 3 can finish at the latest about 5. It depends on your afternoon interview slot. I'd finished by 1 and some people were there till 5.30.

The best thing to do is just email CTC and ask them, they won't mind discussing things like that with you.

[BornEvil]

Barcelona (http://www.pprune.org/forums/member.php?u=160285), would your phase 3 happen to be on the 5th of september? Because that is when mine is, if so lets have a little chat on msn to share preperation and ideas, ;)

Nick

[email protected]

[Captain Spam Can]

I remember on my stage 3, we were asked who had flights to catch so they could be given the first interview slots, CTC are very good.

[Virginlady]

Although you might not want to sit an extra hour waiting i found that being second in my interview gave me a chance to speak to the first applicant and ask what to expect. alot of the info i got came up again!!! personally i found that quite useful. :)

[Barcelona cadet]

Thanks for your answers . The last flight to Barcelona from Bournemouth is at 16:35 I'll call CTC and ask them .
In the email that they send it says "The day will consist of a selection briefing, two group activities, and an interview"
Can anyone that has been there recently tell us a little bit more??:rolleyes:

P.S. I have to go on the 12th

[mallinderjb]

I have just received my e-mails detailing my schedule in NZ and I was wondering if anyone knew when you discuss how many hours of the foundation course you need to do?

I have 50 hours PPL and plan to do at least another 5-7 before I leave on 5th December.

They have scheduled meto start phase 2 in April so will I hang around until April once up to speed on the foundation or is it possible to start the phase 2 a little sooner as I think I would only need around 10 hours if any to get up to the standard of the othet cadets doing the foundation?

Know it depends on how you fly etc but I would love to not have to wait for a few months before starting phase 2 flying?

Any help is very much appreciated.

[Niagra1]

Hi Mallinderjb,

You recieved a schedule already? ok now i am worried..... I go, or am scheduled to go on the 7th November, Got me medical, got me finance in place just waiting for the Disclosure doc to come through (should be no worries there)

Did it go to your CTC mail account? (cant access it at work.....)

Anyone else from CP55 got a schedule? been trying to get hold of the insurance people, but no joy so far....

Cheers

Niagra

[Virginlady]

An answer for the Barcelona Cadet.

the first thing you will do is introduce yourself to other applicants and CTC. Nothing to worry about there. you will then be split into groups of four and given two group sessions. The first is to see how well you interact with other people. you will be given a scenario where your ship is sinking and you can only take a few items from a list given to you. there are no right or wrong answers to it but make sure you have your say but also listen to the other applicants in your group. The second exercise involves building something. Again it is how you interact with each other. This task as with the other lasts 30 mins and you will have 10 minutes planning 10 mins building 5 mins silence ( which can be amusing as everyone pulls some interesting faces) and a further 5 mins finishing off. make sure you dont come across too domineering as they really dont like it!!
then you have the interview. this will be with a pilot and a HR woman/man and can last up to 80 mins.
Questions that will probably come up include:
why do you want to be a pilot?
why do you want to fly commercial rather than military?
why have you decided to become a pilot now?

The pilot will then ask a few questions including:
what airlines do CTC work with?
what planes do any of their partnership airlines fly
what is the difference between airbus cockpits and boeing?
etc etc etc.

This phase is really to see if you have a good knowledge of aircrafts and a general interest as well as seeing if you have the attributes of a successful pilot.

i hope this helps

virgin lady

[mallinderjb]

Yeah it came through my CTC account.

It said CP55 halfway down the e-mail but the subject and all attachments are for CP56 and have my correct dates of arrival etc.

I'd given them a call?

[greywind]

I got a CP55 schedule sent I think. I do remember reading one at least.

I think it was in with all the documents you get on the "what happens next email"

[Niagra1]

ill check when i get home.,.....

if not ill give them a call.

cheers

[RS999]

Jamie......I've got a CP57 schedule mate. I'd be getting in touch with CTC pronto if you can't find/have not been emailed one.:confused::confused:

[bjkeates]

Just to clear a couple of things up:

Niagra1, don't worry. You're not going for three months yet. There's plenty of time for CTC to send you stuff about course dates, schedules, etc. If it gets to a month before and you haven't received anything then maybe drop them an e-mail, but certainly don't be getting worried about that yet. Just keep checking the post every day!

mallinderjb - how many hours of the foundation course you can cut short will probably depend on how you perform when you get out there, but don't go out there assuming it'll be too many. It's something I believe they will consider on an individual basis. Since they have got rid of the short foundation course, I'm sure you won't be the only one with a few hours under your belt thinking you're capable of moving on a bit quicker than those who start with 0 hours. I honestly don't know what their plans are for people in your situation. My advice would be to save the money you'd be spending on your extra 5-7hrs before you leave, you'll probably find it will make negligible difference when you begin your flying in NZ. I'd advise you not to expect to be able to jump through the foundation course in 10 hours because you almost certainly won't. Even the short course guys didn't do that when the short course existed. As an example, the navigation flights for the current course (including the CPL qualifying cross-country) come to over 17 hours on their own and I very much doubt you'd skip any of them. That's all just my 2p-worth though, best thing to do is just see what happens when you get out there.

[SA242]

bjkeates, hows uk? havent you finished out here? Lucky!!

[PAJ]

Just to re-enforce what bjkeates said, to think you will get the Foundation done in about 10 hours is very ambitious indeed! The course is now integrated, and therefore there are some very specific requirements that CTC must meet in terms of spending a certain number of hours doing certain exercises. Also bear in mind that they are not just looking for PPL standard flying out here - on my course, 4 of us have PPLs with hours varying from 55 to nearly 90 and we are all finding the flying tougher than that we have done before. In terms of hours credited from previous flying, I am not quite sure how that will work for you guys. At the moment CTC are trying to get up to date on hours and have had CAA approval to allow current ICAO PPL holders credit some hours across to a maximum of 50% of those you have logged, but that does not necessarily mean you will automatically get hours credited for your experience. It depends on how you fly, how much IF time you have logged, how much solo x-country you have and whether you have a Night Rating I think. For example, I had about 65hrs on my PPL with about 12hrs solo x-country, 2.2hrs IF and a Night rating - I have had about 25hrs chopped from my Foundation taking into account I need less of the IF time than those who have no IF/ NR (who seem to be getting about 23hrs credit). By the time I finish Foundation, I expect to have logged about 44hrs including my CPL qualifier. If CTC take many more than 25hours off your foundation (meant to be 69hrs), you have done very well indeed! Bear in mind also that NZ procedures and orientation takes some time to get used to.

I could be completely wrong here but I think that it is CTC's intention eventually to get all cadets to do the full Foundation once hours are caught up. I only say that as we were under the impression we would do the whole course regardless of experience until they got the CAA approval - I think the course is designed to work that way. I agree that you would be wasting your money doing another 7 or so hours before you come out here - the only thing I would advise is get a BFR done if you are about to lose currency as I think this is a requirement of having any hours credited - a current ICAO PPL.

[mallinderjb]

Hi,

Thanks for the help.

I wasn't under the impression that I would complete in 10 hours, I was really just going off what was said to me at phase two. Is that the foundatio n course is there to get you up to 69 hours.

I was really just tryin to get a feel for how t would all work but I am now of the understanding that I will more than likely need to complete the whole foundation course.

[Niagra1]

Morning all,

Bjkeates, thanks for the post, its ok, i did not check my mails clearly enough on the CTC mail server.... (i can only access it from home, work wont allow that sort of thing!)

One less thing to worry about.....

Now insurance.....

Mallinder, i also have a PPL, around 52 hours, but mine was from Donkeys ago, and as far as i know it has lapsed, i am fully expecting to start from scratch (iron out any bad habits you may have picked up?)

Still, everyday i wake up, and no matter what kind of :mad: i get at work, i know that come November ill be doing something i love! I really cant wait!

Niagra

[Virginlady]

I'm off to New Zealand soon and really looking forward to the experience but i keep reading various messages saying how tough it is, even for pilots who have a fair amount of flying experience etc etc. i understand there is going to be alot of work, i wouldn't expect it to be an easy ride but i feel i'm getting more and more anxious rather than excited. is it really that bad? :sad:

[Niagra1]

Hmm if i said i was excited all the time i think i would be lying.... there are times when I get pretty nervous also.... but my view, and it is just my view, is that the selection process is there to make sure that CTC believe that you have what it takes to get through the course (i believe they said as much at the phase 2 selection?)

I am under no illusion that it is going to be easy going out there in NZ, a high standard is required (and i suppose this is why the airlines like CTC cadets?) and the ATPL's seem like a lot of work..... However the old adage that you get out what you put in applies here.

You put the work in, you pass, your down the pub every night, you fail....

Although seeing a few of the other course's blogs, there seems to be time for some relaxing along the way! And there will be 11 (or so) other cadets in your intake that will be in the same boat, so you all muck in and help where necesary.

I look forward to getting out there, and hopefully seeing you all relaxed and wondering "what all the fuss was about" :} (just make sure you have found a decent watering hole! :E)

Niagra1

Just my two pennies!

[Barcelona cadet]

thanks for your answer virgin lady. :ok:
how did you all prepare for stage 3 ( magazines, websites,....?):uhoh:

[RS999]

Barcelona Cadet

For my interview I read through this entire thread then read everything I could possibly find on the internet. Also joined the Royal Aeronautical Society and researched the British Airline Pilots Association as well as Flight International magazine.:ok::ok::ok:

For the team exercises I did very little.....:E:E:E

[Niagra1]

agreed... and wikipedia is a good start......

Yeah group tests.... you could certainly (in my view) tell the people that had read Pprune and thought they knew the right moves, and those that were natural......

i think you are either good in a team or not....

[Virginlady]

airliners.net and airliner world magazine helped me a bit!:)

[RS999]

Didnt do much prep for the team working exercises as I work in a team environment in the Fire Service just now and have for ten years and I've been a Territorial Army Commissioned Officer for 6 years too. Team work comes pretty naturally. Would definately agree with Niagra1 tho.......either good in a team environment or not.:D

[stefan]

Hi guys

I am glad to say that I have passed phase 3 (8th of August)
I have the sim ride on the 6th of september!!
What the best way to prepare for it??

thanx

[ozman777]

The answer is Microsoft Flight Simulator. :}

There is another good point with FS :
If you play a lot to Flight Simulator and if it often locks up during landing after a 12 hour intercontinental flight, you have low chance to become angry in any further real life bad situations, and it helps you to increase your self-control ability

No, seriously, I think the best way to prepare for Phase 4 is to relax :)


P.S. Anyone going to Phase 3 on 15th August ? :sad:

Bye bye !

Ozman

[greywind]

Niagra mentioned wikipedia as a tool for research.
It is very good but remember that it isn't 100% authorative.

I noticed when studying that wikipedias list of fleets sometimes differed from the airlines published list for example.

That said there is still a lot to gain from reading the airlines wikipedia pages.

[Niagra1]

Agreed, there are a few things on Wiki that you need to check, but it is a good start...

As for the Stage 4, make sure you get a good nights sleep (easier said than done....) the night before, listen to the instructor, and do your best!

I am at odds as to whether a flight sim helps or not, i thought it was nothing like Microsoft Flight Simulator (it was a million times better!)

At the end of the day, they are not looking to fail you (the same can be said for all stages) they are looking for a natural ability to fly/follow instructions and learn!

relax and enjoy!

[RS999]

Got to agree with Wikipedia being slightly inaccurate (although it was me who suggested it in the first place lol) but I found that it is updated far more often than the airline's fleet lists on their own websites. Most of the info on Wiki is dated i.e. they quote "As of May 2007" for example.

I'm not too sure where their info comes from though.............

Stage 4 advice - Like Niagra1 says, get a good nights sleep beforehand, (try to) relax as much as possible, listen to what you're being asked to do in the cockpit and get confirmation if you're not sure what you're being asked to do.

Something I did on my Stage 4 was.....when I was told to (for example) "Turn left to heading 090 degrees using a 45 degree bank angle, maintain 4000 feet" I confirmed this by saying "Turning left to 090, 45 degree bank, maintain 4000 feet" to confirm to the instructor that I understood what I was being asked to do prior to doing it. It can be very easy to make a complete :mad: of something if you don't understand what is being asked of you.

If you need a few seconds to think about something prior to doing it or you're doing something and get asked another question but want to concentrate on what you're doing first say something like "Standby" to let the instructor know you have heard what he/she have said but want to concentrate on what you're doing without saying 'hold on a second...I'm busy'

Ultimately enjoy the assessment as it is very enjoyable, especially if you've never been in a real Flight Sim before.

[EZYramper]

Did anyone else find that the visuals weren't that great in the sim? Towards the end of the flight they were fine for approach but for most of it I felt like I was flying purely with reference to the instruments, I couldn't even really make out an horizon.

[Niagra1]

Agree with RS, i repeated back what i was being asked to do, mainly so i knew i had it in my head, but it shows you can think and concentrate at the same time....

As for the graphics, i looked out the window once at takeoff (the instructor took control here) but as we were flying out of heathrow at night, i did not look up from the instruments throughout the whole excercise, i looked up on final approach to see the runway, but that was it.

Having never done an ILS approach, i was pretty nervous when he said "right, now for an ILS approach" but he explained in detail what to do (basically keeping things lined up with each other) and if there is anything you do not understand or want clarification on just ask, in fact my ILS approach was pretty good untill i looked out the window for the final part!

Had a mare of a landing, got it on the tarmac ok, but then skidded it all the way down (the instructor got involved to try to help rescue it!)

Was extremely enjoyable, and i cant wait to get another go!

[RS999]

EZY...remember that most of the time in a Commercial Jet it goes too fast to accurately use visual references. This is what I was told on my Stage 4 which is why we have to use instruments so much.

On my Stage 4 I didn't look out the windows at all except over the glare shield to make sure I was lined up with the LGW 26L about 4 miles out on approach.

[Gingerbread Man]

Is CTC the only training scheme out of FTE and OAT that give you a type rating? The others only seem to go up to CPL/IR MCC but then they have partner airlines too, so you must get a type rating somewhere in there. I can't believe I screwed up CTC this time round - just looking at the other schemes just makes me realise what i'm missing out on. I've no doubt they're very professional too, but it's the little things that put me off. Take the aircraft for one; FTE and OAT use tatty looking Warriors and Senecas, CTC use brand spanking DA-42s. Not that you'll be better trained in a Twinstar or anything, i'd just rather have a nice neat aircraft when i've paid £60k to train, rather than a 70's relic made with bits of old caravan. Anyway, nice work to everyone who's got on the course. If i'm lucky I might be doing the same in 11 months time.

[PPL152]

Hey everyone

I have my application currently on hold, and would like to ask, should one get accepted for the CTC Wings Cadet programme, how long can he postpone the course start date from the date he was accepted?

Thanks!

[Barcelona cadet]

Hi , I was just wondering about 2 things:

1.- How many applicant pass stage 1, 2, 3 and 4 ( I've read and answer in this same forum but it's from 2006

2.- How many people that pass all phases and go to NZ don't finish the course

Thanks

[EZYramper]

I think the failure rate for people on the course is something like 0.7% which is roughly one person a year out of 144.

Not sure about the percentages at the various stages, but remember you aren't competing against other people you're competing against a set standard.

[Shakuri]

They say about 2-4% get through the whole process, but as EZY says its not a matter of being better than others, so in that sense the figures don't mean much.

I guess the only real way to judge your chances are to compare your skills to the requirements of CTC, and we can only speculate as to the exact requirements.

[EZYramper]

For stage 4 at Nursling we flew the 737-300 fixed base sim, very, very cool!

[RS999]

Yeah, fixed base 737 Sim is a Classic model.....not NG

Also, I'm led to believe that there are approx 4000 applications for Stage 1 each year and in general 144 allocated places for training in NZ per year.

[STOOP]

I'm sure I've heard from somewhere on here that HSBC can post the documents you need for the finance side of things after stage 4 instead of traveling there? Can anyone shed any light on this and PM me? Preferably anyone that has actually done it this way? Wouldn't mind saving the air fare!
Cheers!

[Tommy' C]

Hey guys, as the title says im new to this thread-but know a fair deal about the CTC wings scheme itself.

Could someone, anyone please confirm the details of the course funding. Perhaps layout a couple of possible options of what it is built around.

Many thanks

[bjkeates]

STOOP: You will need to sort it out with them by phone, but they will forward the relevant documents on to your local HSBC branch for you to sign.

[PAJ]

TommyC, this thead has loads of info about the scheme - I know it's long but give it a read. You'll know the course intimately after the 50 or so pages! Also the website www.ctcwings.co.uk breaks it down a bit for you, but generally relies on you getting further info at each stage of the application process through presentations.

The idea is that you do a 17 week 'foundation' course based in New Zealand where they take you beyond PPL in terms of flying before officially accepting you onto the Wings course itself. Thereafter you continue your single engine flying to hour build for a bit whilst doing night rating and aeros all still VFR. Then you move onto the multi engine phase where you get your ME CPL before moving on to your IR training (which is completed in Bournemouth). Once finished, you will be told which partner airline you will be going to and you will then complete an AQC (MCC & JOC) course before going on to your type rating. Then you complete base training and finally a 6 month stint line training as a First Officer. If you perform well throughout, you are offered a full contract job at the end. Takes about 2 years start to finish and leaves you with a fATPL.

Overall it works out as about 11 months in New Zealand with one visit back to the UK after about 7 months so you can sit your first 8 ATPL exams. You sit the second set once you return from NZ for good before heading on to Bournemouth.

[Tommy' C]

PAJ, many, many thanks indeed for your response.

That gave a great outline to the course. More than the CTC site itself probably, it does seem as if they will only shed light stage by stage.

However the financial benefit, what is it? £60k wont be yours just to take, that i know. Will they give you £60K for your training which is then paid back to them through a cadet salary? Or is it up to the "student" to set the stone with that side of things.

Above all, is it secured? Does the loan have to be secured before training?

Many thanks

[Shakuri]

The loan that is taken out is yours, so if anything should go pear shape during training, it's on your neck.
The loan is unsecured and you don't have to start paying back until you complete your training, 60k of that is for the bond which is at first given to CTC and later to the airline.
When you are with the airline you receive 1k per month from them in order to coincide with the loan repayments.
That is as far as I know, the current arrangement.

I hope that answers your question?

[Tommy' C]

Thanks, Shakuri.

It cleared up my ultimate question regarding the security of the loan and that it is unsecured.
If anyone wishes to share further knowledge please do so.

Thanks again

[kieranmp]

Hi guys,
I am lucky enough to say that I am off to New Zealand on CP 57 in Jan. I am thrilled. I found this forum quite helpful in preperation for the selection process. My advise to anyone going through the selection is to relax. You can't do any prep for Phase 2 apart from practice your Mental arithmatic and phase 4 likewise. For phase 3 I revised partner aircraft and read many editions of Airliner World!!! Best of luck for anyone applying and please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions!!

For those on CP 57 I have created a Facebook group as is now becoming tradition I think!!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19259150680

Kieran

[Irish_Stu]

Well done Kieran. I just passed phase 2 last Tuesday, so have phase 3 in a month or so. Just wondered, if I'm lucky enough to pass phase 3, what sort of waiting time is there between phase 3 and phase 4?

Stu

[kieranmp]

Depends on when you are free, I did mine a week later but there are others on my phase 3 that are doing it at the end of the month and the beginning of September.

[EZYramper]

I was really lucky to get a spot on phase 4 the day after my phase 3. For others the wait was about 2 weeks so it can obviously vary.

[EZYramper]

oh yea, well done Keiron, see you in Hamilton!

[RS999]

WooHoo!!!!:D:D:D Someone else on CP57!!

[Rj111]

Has anyone had an experienced where they have reapplied for CTC despite being told they cannot?

I applied about a year and a half ago, and failed at stage 3 about a year ago, with no opportunity for resit. Obviously i'd expect to have to wait a fair time from now, but that gives me ample chance to make myself more desirable to CTC (or another scheme).

I was a bit naive about getting into the whole pilot thing back then - having previously never knowingly met anyone quite as obsessed with aviation as myself, i figured there weren't many out there, but when i got to stage 3 i think i was the only person who had not flown. I cannot help but think i went in way too early and have subsequently blown my chances for good. When maybe with a bit more life (and interview) experience, a better track record and some flying time i would have greatly increased my chances.

[RS999]

Rj111.......having flying time doesn't make a jot of difference. I've got none and I passed each stage of the Wings selection and am off to Hamilton, NZ in January 2008. Also, seeing the ages of some of the people posting on here who have passed and are in NZ or have since come back from NZ, life experience doesn't appear to be too high on CTC's priority list.

You would probably be best phoning CTC and getting some advice 'from the horse's mouth' so to speak.

[Rj111]

I can see that i wasn't a great candidate back then, and i think i can see how i could become a better candidate. They may still tell me otherwise but i'd love to have another crack at the whip one day.

Otherwise it's several years of working my knackers off saving up for self sponsorship.

[Shakuri]

Just out of curiosity, why don't you think you were a great candidate?

[Virginlady]

well i think RJ111 you should try and have another crack at it!!!!!!!:ok:

[Fergie137]

Just joined, so hi to everyone.

I've read all the info available on ctc website about the cadet scheme as well as a few threads on here, i've completed my application but not sent it off yet, I guess the only thing thats worries me is if i get into the training programme, how will i survive when i have to pay for things that aren't covered by ctc eg accomodation through basic, food etc. I take it everyone has cash tucked away for those kind of things!!!!????

Cheers.

[greywind]

You can take out a living expenses loan with HSBC, it equates to around £400 a month to live off.

When you are out in New Zealand accomodation is paid for so you don't need to worry about that.

I'm pretty sure within this lengthy thread there is a more detailed breakdown of money available and what you need to pay for.

[greywind]

I noticed some people have suggested shopping round for insurance. I've got two months so think thats enough time to at least look.

Did anyone who did so get all of their insurance somewhere else? Also can anyone recommend anyone to get a quote from?


PS Well done MM6473 and good luck with the medical

[GWidgery]

I've just got my invitation to Stage 2, having applied on Monday, three day turnover, I was pretty impressed! Stage 2 on Tuesday.....

[Shakuri]

Best get preparing then GWidgery, mine isn't until feb/march sometime next year but I am still preparing now. Good luck too btw!

[Irish_Stu]

Bwfly88, I'm at stage 3 on 20th Sept as well...

Stu

[tommy604]

Hi everyone, after endless scrolling through this thread for info I have finally registered so here's my first post ....

I am going down to Bournemouth for my stage 2 on Tues 29th Aug, is anyone else on here going at the same time ?

Look forward to meeting you !

[chocky]

Fergie137, as has been said, HSBC will lend you an extra £5000 a year for you to survive on. In NZ and at Bournemouth CTC provide the accommodation and whilst you're out in NZ you also have vehicles provided so you don't need to worry about that either. The £400 a month is plenty to survive on as food out there is pretty cheap and affordable, in fact most things out there are pretty cheap compared to UK prices!!

[RC203]

Just thought I'd mention I'll be doing a blog whilst on the Wings course, I'll be off in two weeks (CP53). I know there's loads out there already but it's always useful to see other people perspectives on things, and see how things have changed from the earlier accounts of the training programme.

Check it out at www.robertcoulson.com (http://www.robertcoulson.com)

[Shakuri]

good to hear rc203 it's always nice to read about people's experiences over there, I will be following your blog and hope to follow suit next year!

[CraigR1989]

Hi,

Just passed Phase 1 but the link is dead for Phase 2 Booking... has anyone else got this problem or is it just me?

Cheers

Craig

[socloss]

Nice blog RC203.

Im out in Hamilton already so will meet you boys when ur here, cant believe it's CP53 already! Any advice, PM me.

socloss

[Shakuri]

Cheers Reggy, will follow that too, always good to have something to take reference on how things happen with CTC, and peoples fun times over in NZ. Got a long wait till phase 2 but these blogs will keep me motivated (eve more so) i'm sure!

[jazmin82]

Hi Craig,

I also just got through the 1st stage and need to book my place in phase 2. The link from the application form is working fine for me at the moment.

I have a question for everyone else on here that has passed the whole selection process. After you pass phase 4 can you pick a date in the future on which to go start in NZ or do you get told when you have to start.

Basically if I pass I will have a lot of loose ends to tie up here before I start training and so I may need up to a year. I did put on my application that the earliest I could start is July 2008 but it may be up to January 2009. Will this cause me any problems or is CTC quite flexible?

Thanks,

Ben

[Shakuri]

If you put July 2008 as earliest start date, they shouldn't have invited you to phase 2 yet? :S i have the same date on mine and they said that I am on hold until around Jan.

[jazmin82]

I have just checked my application to make sure I did put July 2008 down and it is there. Perhaps they just missed it. I have booked a place on phase 2 for the 9th October at 13:00. I will mention it to CTC there and see what is said. Hopefully if I do pass that phase they may put me on hold for a while for phase 3. Ideally though I want to progress through all the selection process and be offered a place well in advance of going. That gives me plenty of time to sort things out here as well as having the security of a place. Thats what I would like in an ideal World anyway!

I am hoping to fly down from Manchester to Southampton, does anyone know the best way of getting from Southampton Airport to CTC at Bournemouth Airport? The flight time home is 20:00, will I have enough time to get back to Southampton for this flight with phase 2 starting at 13:00?

Thanks,

Ben

[Shakuri]

Thats odd! I was hoping to do my selection soonish too. Let me know what CTC say, I might email them myself and see if i can do it sooner.

[Irish_Stu]

Jazmin, my phase 2 started at 1pm and if I remember correctly finished at about 4:30pm...

[bjkeates]

Jazmin82 - best bet IMO is train Southampton Airport Parkway - Christchurch then probably a taxi from Christchurch station to CTC. Not sure what public transport links there are from the centre of Bournemouth to the airport, but Bournemouth is further away than Christchurch and also you'd have to get a taxi from the airport terminal to the Eastern Business Park anyway.

[jazmin82]

Thanks for the information guys I should have plenty of time to spare.

I have a question regarding salaries and the speed at which you can progress with an airline. I am using EasyJet as an example as they have their salary figures easily available. (http://www.easyjet.com/EN/Jobs/Pilot/pilotrecruitment_oursalariesandbenefits.html (http://www.easyjet.com/EN/Jobs/Pilot/pilotrecruitment_oursalariesandbenefits.html))

If you are selected by EasyJet from CTC I can see that you start on £24,445 after you loan re-payments, this then rises to £32,740 when you become a senior First Officer. Does this happen as soon as you have over 1500 hours or does it work a general 'promotion' type system where the airline decides when you are ready (obviously this can only happen after 1500 hours flying). How long does it roughly take to get the 1500 hours?

Is it realistic with an airline like Easyjet to be a Captain within 7 years or does it take a lot longer? I believe that the contract with an airline for a CTC graduate is 7 years minimum before you can leave (without any financial penalties), so after this time do you remain on a cadet salary or would you automatically move up to the direct Entry Pilots salary? Presumably if they do not increase your salary at this stage there is no benefit to remain with them as you could move to another airline as a direct entry pilot on a higher salary.

I would appreciate any ones comments on my thoughts above, especially anyone who is working for an airline after CTC to clarify things for me.

Thanks,

Ben

[Mooney12]

I hear Citijet (owned by Air France, operate 146 type aircraft out of London City) are looking for 6 CTC guys...if they pass tough Citijet selection procedures of course....
The pay?
£15,500 basic and maybe £6000 in allowances if your lucky. (You enter as a Second Officer and have to unfreeze your ATPL to get promoted to FO. As they only do 650hrs a year that will take a while)
Pay rises to £18000 in year two.
Now, how are you expected to pay back £1000 a month on that wage? :ugh:

Well obviously you couldn't. So that 65k debt starts to look more insurmountable than it already is!

[EZYramper]

I earn more then that as a baggage handler.

Where did you hear this?

[Mooney12]

Got hold of a CTC email that was sent to current cadets detailing the new "opportunity" to them.... (Im an ex cadet)
I think its amazing really, its 23000 euro basic (i.e. £15,500). Now, £12000 out of that after tax won't leave much!! So you'd effectively be getting about £2000 basic + some allowances.
You may as well beg on the streets.
This job is a brilliant opportunity for many people. i.e. those who have gone through the self improver route, have been instructing on light aircraft etc..
But cadets who have a £65k debt to clear. Don't think so.
This all stems from the fact Ezy have frozen training courses for the time being, so delays are going to be rife with CTC pushing loads of cadets through.

It should be noted though, that nobody is being forced to do this. It's just an option thats been presented by CTC to those interested

[Fair_Weather_Flyer]

What Mooney12 is saying is 100% true. At present (in my opinion) there are far too many cadets coming through the system, with the number of jobs reducing. If you enter into the WINGS scheme you must open your eyes to the fact that placement is far from guaranteed. Be careful, it's become a risky proposition.

[Barcelona cadet]

Does someone know where can I find a complete description of the FO duties?

Thanks

[kieranmp]

Surely there is an element of risk in training anyway. But for new cadets starting their training now for example, wouldn't be ready for placement for another 15 months. If you can predict the demand for pilots that far in advance I am impressed!! Easyjet have something like 100 aircraft on order surely they will need someone to fly them!?

[mattkcraven]

Indeed they do, but as FWF said it is a risky business and things are far from guaranteed. Then again in 15 months CTC may not be able to supply enough cadets to the airlines....who knows!

One thing still holds firm and that is you have to be in it to have a chance, just aware that a job may not be waiting at the end to walk into!

And on that note (as somebody in the application process), then once in the holding pool are you able to say start work in another job whilst awaiting placement? I have a short engineering background but could still walk into contract work if need be. Just keeping plenty of options open.

matt

[Gator32]

I've heard it on good authority that an easy trainer was quoted as saying that half the courses set aside for ctc cadets next year have now been cancelled. I've no idea whether this is due to overcrewing this year or whether the hold pool is bursting at the seams, but either way not good news for those coming through. Additionally with the recent merger of other partner airlines it could be a long wait for many & for those who turn their noses up at cityjet...:ugh:

[Bambe]

Let's see the ecoconomics fluctuations, seem to be good for the next 10 years, but nobody can tell you for sure that every CTC cadet will find a good position.
As far as I can remember, none of those who completed the training are unemployed at that day and the past 10 years were probably the worst for a pilot's career.

As long as CTC keeps on training some new cadets (more and more year after year) we shouldn't worry that much...

Are some of you could tell us ow we coose the airline? Do we have the choice? Can we refuse an opportunitie for any reasons?....

Bambe-Phase 3 in 6 weeks

See you

[EZYramper]

Bambe - you don't choose the airline, CTC assigns you an airline according to their demand. You can turn down an offer but only twice (why would you want to?!).

With the mergers going through at the moment I don't think there has been much uptake from those particular partner airlines. However as things are consolidated hopefully their need for pilots will increase. I won't have passed through the system for nearly 2 years so I am optimistic that things will be different.

Is there a hold pool at the moment for WINGS cadets? I know there is for ATP cadets but I wasn't sure about the Wings course?

Gator - I wouldn't say ''turning your nose up at Citijet" but seriously, with £1000+ loan repayments a month, how on earth are you meant to live on £15,500 a year?!

[one post only!]

jazmin82, the promotion to SFO is automatic. Once you have 1500 hours TT and have completed a LPC you can apply to the CAA for a full ATPL. On receipt of this you are promoted to SFO. Depending on the timing of your sim check (LPC) will depend on exactly how many hours you have. As far as I remember you can claim up to 100hrs sim time so you can apply with 1400 hours. It will probably take between 18 to 24 months to get promoted.

At the moment it would be realistic to achieve a command within 7 years of starting. Maybe slightly less if market conditions are still good. After the 7 years you are transferred across to the DEP salary.

As I understand it you are allowed to leave at any point. There is nothing to force you to remain with Ezy for 7 years.

Hope this helps.

[CraigR1989]

Hi,

Just booked for my Phase 2 on the 11th September @ 09:30... Could any one let me know approx how long this will last for.

Live opposite end of country so need to sort out travel.

Cheers

Craig

[GWidgery]

I did stage 2 yesterday, and it lasted from 1 till about 4, so 3 hours long. So you'd probably be done by 12:30ish. The last part of the stage is tests, and different people work through them at different speeds, and you're free to go as soon as you're done, so the end time does fluctuate a bit!

Does anyone else have stage 3 on 3rd October?

[tommy604]

Hey everyone who sat their phase 2 yesterday. It looks like the dream has come to an end for me :sad:. For anyone who did get through good luck in the future.

To everyone else who hasn't yet sat phase 2 I will be posting further comments regarding this stage so you dont f*** up like me.

Off to drown my sorrows for now !

[Irish_Stu]

Bad luck Tommy.

Don't be giving up on the dream just yet, there are loads of other options apart from CTC! Use it as a learning experience to see where you can improve, and bear in mind that the CTC pilapt tests are quite a bit harder than a lot of the other schools...

[tommy604]

Thanks for the encouragement, any suggesstions on where I go next, somewhere which is not self funded as cash is an issue at the moment.

I also thought about the modular route but with my age I think time is against me. Can anyone HELP!

[Shakuri]

The only other major FTO's I would suggest to look at are, Oxford Aviation, Cabair and Flight Training Europe. However in terms of finance they are different to CTC and most likely you will have to take out a secured loan, though I know this isn't an option for some people, but they are the only other schools I can think of unless you go modular.

[PPL152]

Those are only a few of the many schools around. In fact those are the most popular and most mentioned. They are also the most expensive I guess.

If you want a cheaper route - you must go modular. This does not necessarily mean you will take longer than the integrated route. You can take even less. It depends on how much time you have to study etc etc.

[Gav28]

Hi,

Has anyone who has taken phase 2 do the GAPAN tests prior to the CTC assessment, if so did you find it helped for passing CTC stage 2?
Cheers
Gav

[EZYramper]

I did the GAPAN test less than a month before I did stage 2. I do believe it helped.

They tests are not exactly the same, although they are very similar. I found CTC's tests to be easier then the GAPAN ones.

They say that familiarisation with the test can only improve your score by a max of 1 point but I found that it helped more by just giving me that extra bit of confidence to relax and perform as best I could.

Where you really get your money is the debrief. The people who do the GAPAN tests have been at the height of aviation. The Captain who did mine used to be a training Captain at BA. They can give you some very good advice and guidance which is invaluable.

I would highly recommend the GAPAN tests, £150 is a drop in the Ocean compared to £60,000!

[RS999]

Jamie......you in NZ yet????

[Niagra1]

nope not yet.....

7th November.....

Just finished all the forms..... :ugh:

[rob152]

Tommy 604,

Trust me fella 27 is not too old even for going modular. I'm 26 and with only 53 hours under my belt am trying to organise a cdl for the hour building and distance learning. I anticipate this to take around a year, give or take a month here or there, and save for the CPL whilst studying. There is no reason why I cant save that in a year. Then possibly a loan for the ME/IR.

If you generate a plan and can stick to it anything is possible. Just takes focus and commitment. I know of so many people doing it the same way and some alot older than you and I. 27 is not too old by any stretch of the imagination. In fact my old instructor had his first flying LESSON at the ripe old age of 37!!! He now flies for FlyBe and got that position at 41, just some food for thought!! Maybe that doesnt happen that often but it does happen so just feel confident that, for the time being, you have time on your side.

Good luck and I might bump into you on the flight deck one day!

Rob152

[rob152]

Having said all that I do work with a 20 year old who is 2 months out of Oxford and has a job flying A320s with BMI starting next month :ugh::yuk:

I try to use this as inspiration!!

[Milan]

hi everyone, i have few questions for phase two veterans, few details i cannot find in this thread.

First of all about "hands" test. How does it work exactly - i mean is there one picture displayed at time and you need to decide whether is it right or wrong like in cockpitweb test? Or there are three pictures displayed like on www.pilapt.com websit? In this case what is the verbal instruction and how are you expected to react? Pressing left or right cursor key or any other way?

Also is the joystick you use there an analog or digital one? I mean does the angel you move the stick is reflected in reaction of an indicator like in proper PC joysticks? How does it work on deviation indicator? I mean does moving stick forward moves the cross up or opposit? Does it differ during the last test combined with counting and shapes?

Thanks in advance

[Lucky252]

This is my first post but i have read through this forum with much interest and would say that the tips and advice have been invaluable to get me through to stage 4 and then hopefully New Zealand in the new year, mostly due to the fact that you have more of an idea what is going to happen and so are more relaxed. This is my top tip for CTC, relax and you shall prosper.

Milan- hands, 3 pictures, you have to key in the number (0,1,2,3) of them which satisfy the verbal statement eg "POSITIVE left hand square" so look for the ones which have a square in the left hand. Tip for if the statement is negative, eg " NEGATIVE left hand square", bit difficult to get your head round in the heat of the moment! just look for squares in the other (right) hand and key in this number, this saves thinking time.
For the DI test the required deflection of the joystick to keep the lines in the centre varies as the test goes on ie the controls become more and less effective throghout the test, use the practice time before to get to grips with the direction of the controls.

Just a few points regarding stage 3, i was asked no technical questions further that what aircraft to two of the partner airline opperated and events affecting the industry. Much of the interview was taken up with me talking about my life up to date, make sure you can justify all the decisions you have made in this regard.

[AdamLT]

great to hear something about this CTC course. i am on the stage 2 of the selection process on october 9th and this thread has given me more of an insight into what to expect.

as im driving down from the west midlands..i kinda think it would be best to get a hotel for the night before so im fresh and less stressed from the drive down.

anyone else goin to this stage on 9th october???

[Irish_Stu]

Getting a hotel the night before is a VERY good idea. Doesn't help to start the day by being stressed out stuck in traffic or getting lost on the way there.
Loads of nice B&Bs in Christchurch, about 15 mins away from CTC by taxi. I recommend Stour Villa.

Stu

[RS999]

All 4 Stages passed...................check
JAA Class 1 Medical passed.........check
Disclosure sorted.......................check
Finances sorted.........................not yet...november
Insurance sorted........................not yet...november

New Zealand.........January 2008.......Here I come :}

[chrisd7]

HI

quick question, does anybody know how many hours a pilot can fly in a month or year?

[PAJ]

Pilots are allowed to fly up to 900 hours per year, limited I think to 11 hours per day (?????). How these hours are spread depends greatly on what kind of flying you are doing and who you fly for.

Average age out here at the moment is about 24 at the moment. Youngest guys out here are 19.

[EZYramper]

Just out of curiosity, what's the highest age out there at the moment?

[Niagra1]

no idea what it is right now.... but when i get there in november.... 31 :eek:

I dont want to hear you young un's calling me pops, or old man, or anything like that :E

[AJB]

Much has been said in the media over the past few months about pilot fatigue and the associated flight-duty rules which should be implemented. I read in one article that flight time limitations will be enforced by EASA when they become an EU Ops regulation next July. This will no doubt affect existing operating regimes.

"The maximum flight-duty period in draft legislation is 13h for a one or two day sector, with a potential extension of 1h that operators may use no more than twice a week. The maximum flying hours within any consecutive 28 day period will be 100, with 900h the annual limit."

Turner, A., 2007. Duty Time. Flight International. 172(5098), pp9.

[GWidgery]

Congratulations RS999!

I hope to be joining you at some point soon!

[pcoltas]

On our CP (52) out here we have 29, 31 and 32 year olds, ranging up from the young guns like myself lol

[Barcelona cadet]

I passed stage 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so happy it's ridiculous!:D:O
I have to work out how to go to Southampton for stage 4. Anyone has any suggestions for accomodation?

P.S. did any of the guys that when on the 12th passed? hope you all did had a great day !

[greywind]

Well done on getting through stage 3. The easiest place for stage 4 accomodation is probably CTC's Dibden manor if there's availability. They should have sent you some details for it when they confirmed you got through. If not ask them about it.

[EZYramper]

congrats barcelona cadet, enjoy stage 4, a 737!!

[andrew3181]

Hey Guys,

Could anyone shed any light on the Accommodation situation in NZ? I'm heading out on CP55 in November and can't wait to get stuck in. I was under the impression that we'd be staying at Clearways Accommodation Centre but I've heard a rumour that we might be heading else where. I've emailed the folks at CTC but they said they can't confirm anything untill we've had our deployment day. Could anyone tell me where the other accommodation places are and what they're like?

Cheers

[PAJ]

andrew3181, to be honest it is generally the case now that newbies go into either the accommodation at Peachgrove or Knox Street. CP53 arrived last week I think and were very lucky to get into Cleaways first time. The staff do their best to get the cadets returning from the UK from their first set of exams back into Clearways as a priority, but they are soon to start building a new accommodation block like Cleaways in the next month or so, although I doubt this will be finished by November.

Out of Knox St and Peachy, Knox is generally preferred by cadets as it is a little less rough round the edges I think and is in a fantastic location right in the centre of town - it is a mere stumble from the local bars CTC guys frequent! Peachy is where I was based for about 6 weeeks and is fine, especially if you have stayed in halls of residence at uni before. The only issue I had was that it is a 15 min drive into the airport each day as opposed to about 3 mins from Clearways, and when you have one vehicle to do this, when you get flying at all different times, the logistics start to get a bit complicated and fuel consumption is increased. The guys there now seem to be coping fine and the rooms are perfectly suitable. So I would probably expect Peachy or Knox St, but I doubt CTC will have decided where you are living until a few days before you arrive so you will not get a difinative from them until you get to Hamilton.

[Geetea]

Hello All,found out about this place from CTC of all people,told me not to believe eveything I see!
Read through this mountain of posts,some goldmines of info i gotta admit. Passed my Stage 2 on the 4th of September and was supposed to have stage 3 on the 3rd of October but since im travelling down all the way down from Scotland they said that they have moved it to the 17th and also booked me a provisional stage 4 the next day in Nursling(oo la la) to save me travelling down again,awfully nice the admin folk at Bournemouth to arrange that for me.Just hope and pray that I sell myself at Stage 3!

[RS999]

Geetea.....they did that for me too. They are very good that way and you'll appreciate having the night before stage 3 or stage 4 to relax prior to your tests/interview.

Good luck matey.


Barcelona Cadet - Well done mate. CTC should send you a list of recommended accomodation for your Stage 4. Relax, listen to what you're being asked to do and you'll have a whale of a time. It's a really enjoyable day.

:ok:

[Geetea]

For all those who have had any of their stages at Nursling,whats the best transport and accomodation,il be staying in Stour Villa in Christchurch the night before my stage 3 which is at Bournemouth Airport,but(heres hoping) if get to stage 4,i need to get to Southampton and get accomodation as cheap as possible,as my rents arent funding me on this and my part time job while at Uni isnt paying much either.Would appreciate the help

Cheers

[andrew3181]

Thanks for your help PAJ.

[EZYramper]

Geetea,

I stayed at the hotel Ibis in the city centre, I believe it was £65. That isn't cheap but for the preperations that I needed to do (sleeping!) it was excellent. Very nice room with TV and internet, only a 2 minute walk from Asda and about a minute walk from a little Tesco express. For stage 4 you just need to be very well rested. After getting the good news at about 7pm I didn't have time to be choosey about where to stay, it was raining and getting dark and I was walking, and it was just worth spending a little extra to get my head straight on a pillow!

[Crazy Fokker]

Hi guys,

Firstly, a thanks to all who have contributed to this thread, also to those responsible for the original CTC threads.

Secondly, for those looking for cheap accomodation in southampton, I have an option for you, there's no garauntees, but worth a shot.

If you give Emily Davies Halls of Residence (Serves Southampton Solent uni) on 02380 335336, and mention you are a student in town for one night, due to exams, and you were wondering if there were any rooms you could have just for the night, they may be able to help you. As I said, its worth a shot. It's literally right in the centre, next door to asda, and the train station is about a minutes walk down the same road.

Thirdly, I think I have a question which has not been asked before regarding phase 2 of selection:

I was wondering whether you have to work out the arithmetic questions in your head only, or are you allowed rough paper for you to do your workings?:confused:

Many thanks,

CF

[chrisd7]

You have a rough piece of paper to help with the maths:)

Chris

[Geetea]

Just remember how to do long division and currency conversions and your only given 15 mins to do 15 questions. You should be grand though! I have read all the posts about Stage 3,has anyone been down for it in the last month or so? just incase they have changed it in anyway compared to what the previous posts have said

[Crazy Fokker]

Thanks for clearing that up guys. Thought I'd be counting on my fingers for a while.

[Katia York]

Hi everyone, I have CTC Phase 2 on 26th 13:00 Anyone else going then? I v been reading the links. I am worried bout the Math test as prob not done any real math since school days. Any tips can anyone remember a type of question are they long questions ? or is it straight forward math with race against time. Tks for any help. :rolleyes:

[AdamLT]

all the best katia

i attend phase 2 on october 9th. fingers crossed for u :)

[jazmin82]

AdamLT, I also have my phase 2 on the 9th October at 13:00. Are you on this session or the morning one? Might see you there!

[AdamLT]

hey jazmin82

yes, i am on the afternoon session at 1300. i am stopping at the wessex hotel the night before so i'm clear-headed and stress free from the drive down. have you planned to stop anywhere?

hows the revision going? if any??

ad

[Polorutz]

w00t!!! I passed my phase 4 today, going to NZ in November!!! its a whole lot sooner than I expected but hey!! the faster the better!!! I don't know the CP number yet but I'll be posting here when I get all the information.

[AdamLT]

congrats Polorutz :)

[EZYramper]

Hey, November will be CP55, join the facebook group.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6466117944

That is really early! I passed in July and have till december to wait!

[Alltheway]

Hi,

I'm due to complete the GAPAN testing after having a bad day on one of the written exam's taken at an FTO.

Is the original Document still available or if anyone has any experience with GAPAN and could point me in the right direction for similar software i'd be greatly appreciative.

I've already PilApt and CockpitWeb, wondered what the GAPAN Battery Programs are called?

Again thanks to anyone offering guidance.

[PPL152]

Any advice on whether to complete a 5 yr University degree (still in 1st yr) or else proceed with the CTC selection tests?

Thanks for any replies!

[Polorutz]

I spent 2 years in the uni before dropping out due to a family emergency, what I learned in college proved to be invaluable to getting my PPL and getting the knowledge to get to go to NZ

I reckon you must be really young, If so, you still have tons of time to study and then do the selection process however a degree is not a must

[Alltheway]

If Airline Pilot is your Goal then Uni is not necessarily needed - Look at Self Sponsored Flying Schools for ATPL.

[pilot_to_be]

I went to uni first because i wanted to get a degree before applying to to ctc, i think its a personnel choice,

does any body have stage 3 on the 26 of september?

[Slow Progress]

I applied using the online form yesterday and I wait in anticipation of the outcome.

Can anyone give me an idea as to how long it took for their application to be checked before being invited to stage two?

Does anybody know if people without A Levels have been accepted on to the ctc wings scheme? I am hoping my life skills and my working life in the industry is going to help me out a little.

Cheers

Slow Progress

[PAJ]

It really depends on how busy they are at Bournemouth at the time you apply I think. If they have lots of people going through selection at the present time, it can take anything up to a couple of weeks to hear back. On the other hand, I applied at 3pm on a Tuesday and was told I was through to stage 2 the following morning.

As for having no A-Levels, that might be a tougher thing to get around. The Wings cadet criteria require the applicant to have a minimum of 2 A-Levels or equivilent (I think it is generally compared with having suitable qualifications to get you into uni so if you have other qualifications, this does not discount you) so I guess CTC will look at what you have done up until now and assess from there. I think the reason they require A-Levels is that the partner airlines look for these as minimum employment qualifications.

PPL152, I think uni is really a very perosnal decision. There is no getting around the cost (it can quite easily cost £15,000 for a three year course) but as a potential pilot, you are able to display the fact that you are mature enough to manage your own learning to a technical level, you have the academic potential to study more technical subjects and you get exposure to loads of extra-curricular activities that always look good on your CV. Plus you give yourself a 'Plan B' if for example you were to at some point lose your medical. Plus uni is great fun!

[Irish_Stu]

Oh well. :(

Had stage 3 at CTC yesterday, didn't make it but have the opportunity to re-apply in 6 months. Thought the day had gone reasonably well but I know where I went wrong. I agree with what's been said on this board before though, you need to be well up to scratch to get through. I know I wasn't up to scratch. I find it almost reassuring in a way though that the application process is so strict, when you're going to invest the fat part of 70 grand in a course, you need to know you're cut out for it.
Looking forward to receiving CTC's feedback as well to see where I can improve for next time.

The quest continues.... :ok:

[STOOP]

Keep at it Stu. I was in the same position as you 6 months ago. Im now off to New Zealand. Just make sure you listen to the feedback given and use it! Make sure you can prove that you have taken on board what they have said and are able to demonstrate this second time around! Use the 6 months to your advantage.

[greywind]

As stoop said it's not a problem. Just use your six months well!
I failed stage 2 but got asked back and I'm off to NZ soon as well, spent alot of my time reading and reading for stage 3 and counting down the days till my 6 month period was over.

[Geetea]

Sorry to hear your news Stu,any advice for a fellow irishman going for stage 3 in a few weeks? Have had a few testing interviews in the past....can only be a good thing!

[1mag1n3]

Excuse the simple question, but I was planning to apply to CTC just before finishing my second year at college. I was wondering if anyone else has, and if so have you been accepted onto the course?

Thanks,

1mag

[Polorutz]

I did 2 years college, did not finish the degree but I had a reason to not finish it. I am going to NZ on CP55... so I guess it doesn't really matter.

Stu, hang in there, I also failed my phase 3, in the 6 months I improved my profile by a lot, I got my PPL, started the ATPL groundschool, read up on CRM... let them know that you mean business and focus on whatever they tell you on the feedback.

[Crazy Fokker]

I thought that if you've begun the ATPL groundschool you're not eligible for integrated schemes? Maybe it only applies if you've completed the ATPL exams.

[Polorutz]

who said that?? I don't see no rule anywhere stating that I can't do the integrated training with CTC... I think that might be school policy from whomever mught have told you that... anyhow... I signed up with Bristol GS but haven't taken any tests with the CAA so It{s worth as much as if I only had bought the books from them.. no real formalities.

[portsharbourflyer]

To clarify you can't credit exams from modular distance learning across to an integrated course; therefore if you start a modular ground school and passed for example 6 of the 14 exams and then signed up for an integrated course, you would simply have to repeat the exams and ground school as part of the integrated course.

[Polorutz]

that makes more sense!! hehe... but I haven't taken any tests, just bought the first 7 books and the CD from bristol and Started studying just in case I didn't make it into CTC I'd be ready to take the next step... fortunately my next steps are going to be in NZ hehehe

[RS999]

Stu, keep going mate. Study hard matey and also take heed to CTC's feedback. I failed Stage 2 and was completely gutted. I was asked to reapply in 6 months, did so and I'm off to NZ on CP57 in January.

Failing one stage is definately not the end of the road. If you are as determined to become an Airline Pilot as those on the Wings Programme and those who are now graduates of CTC then you will have no problem passing the stages you still have to do. Make CTC realise just how determined you are.

Good luck mate :ok:

[kurty]

Hi,

Did anyone attend phase 3 on the 26th September?

[LilJ]

Hi all. New to the forum. I've passed all stages and i'm booked in to go to NZ on CP58 in Feb. Any one else here on CP58?

[AdamLT]

anyone on phase 2 on october 9th at 1pm??
if so, i will see u there.
hope ur all revising hard :P

[chrisd7]

Hi, anybody got any advice on how to prepare for stage 4 has anybody got stage 4 on the 4th of october

Chris

[Polorutz]

I had my phase 4 on Sept 20th... PM me with questions if u want, when did you have your phase 3?

[Geetea]

Could anyone be so kind to tell me where I could get some reliable info for reading up for my stage 3 interview? i have some stuff but its not in enough depth. Would really appreciate the help

[PAJ]

Partner airlines' websites are a good place to start, although not all have loads of info. Wikipedia is an excellent source of info, detailing the basics behind relevant mergers, brief histories, fleets etc (although you should just bear in mind that it might not be completely up to date. As for info about CTC, their website is as good a place as any to get the info you will need. The interview is going to focus a lot more on you and your experiences and qualities. There is some info if you read through this therad about stage 3 too.

[PilotChris]

Hi everyone, im new to this posting malarky but ive been a long time reader of this thread. Its got some great info in it and has given me a good insight of what i can expect during my CTC application! Many thanks to everyone who has contributed already!:ok:

Anyways...... I graduated from Leeds Uni this summer after getting a 2:1 in Aviation Technology, and ive finally taken the plunge and applied to CTC. So i was just wondering if anyone else has got their stage 2 on 13th November at 13:00?? Also, can anyone remember how many applicants are at each phase??

Thanks in advance,

Chris

[Madagascar]

At my phase 2 there were about 20 people, at phase 3 about 10, and phase 4, 2 of us.

[MathiasHJ]

Hi all,

I am going to phase 2 selection the 6th of November.

Will see you there, good luck and study hard! :ok:

[RS999]

PilotChris........during my Stages there was approx 20 at Stage Two, 6 at Stage Three and 3 at Stage Four.

I think these are fairly typical numbers. All in all, I believe CTC have approx 4000 applications for the Wings programme each year and at the end of it all have 12 people on 12 Courses i.e. they train 144 each year (this is just for the Wings Programme, I'm not too sure about their other ones).

Hope this helps

[MathiasHJ]

Hi all,

I booked a flight to England, but I'm now in doubt where if you get called for phase 3 its the next day after phase two? Will I have to stay one more day in England just for safety as to be ready to come in for phase 3 the next day? Or is the phase 2 and phase 3 spaced out?


Thanks in advance.

-Mhj

[akindofmagic]

My understanding is that if you are travelling far, CTC will provisionally book you a place on stages 3 & 4 to save you making multiple trips back and forth to the UK. So in other words, if you pass stage two, you could have stage three the day afterwards, and then stage four the day after that. It might be worth speaking to the admin people at BOH and asking them.

[mallinderjb]

Did anyone get different insurance to the one CTC suggested?

If so who did you go with and is it a lot cheaper?

[mattp1988]

Hi James,

I took the insurance package with Paul Jones Services in the end. Got in touch with a financial advisor and he searched around and came back saying for the price, the deal with Paul Jones is a pretty good one, and will make things simpler if you need to claim etc.

I'm due to go to NZ on CP55, so the insurance is now in place.

(I think i was on your phase 2 assessment day a while back, glad to hear you also got through!)

Good luck,

Matt

[mallinderjb]

Thanks Matt,

I have just sorted the insurance out through Paul Jones.

Yeah I will see you at the meet and greet. I think I remeber you but it was so long ago and I ain't too good with names.

Thanks again

James

[Tommy' C]

Hi chaps.

Just a quick question regarding application age.

I am 16 and will be sitting 5 Scottish higher's next May. CTC take this to be equivalent of 2 A-Levels.

When i get them back i will not quite be 18, however should i get the required grades will i still be eligible to enter my application for stage 1?

Many Regards,

Tom

[R T Jones]

The website does say that your age at date of application must be 18 or above. If you do not meet that you willl not get past stage 1! Hope this is helpful.

[Crazy Fokker]

Hi Guys,

I know I haven't been one of the more regular contributors on here, but I thought I'd share this anyway. Had my phase 2 yesterday and have found out today I've been unsuccesful. They said I was close though, and may re-apply in 6 months.

I'm quite disappointed as I know I did very well on several of the pilapt tests, but I guess the numbers just didn't add up overall, and in comparison to the other candidates.

To everyone that has now gone on to phase 3 from yesterday afternoon's slot, it was a pleasure to meet you alll and I wish you all the very best of luck:ok:

CF

[Polorutz]

Chin up fokker, you can still re-apply and believe me they do take the ones who have failed before if you improve whatever it is that you didn't perform well, I am not familiar with phase 2 repeats but in the phase 3 repeat which is what I did they give you a long and detailed feedback on what you did right and wrong, if they do give it to you then read it carefully and change for the better, good luck!!

-Polo

[greywind]

Don't worry about it Fokker. I failed at phase 2 and was invited to re apply - waited my six months and now I'm off to NZ in November!

You'll probably get an email over the next week or so telling you where you failed and where you did well, and if they've said you can re apply then you must have been pretty close.
Have a look at where you failed and maybe get the cockpitweb software or something similar and focus on sorting it out.

If anything failing phase 2 has made me more determined to work hard and be less complacent about the whole thing.

[Crazy Fokker]

Sparksy, Polo,

Thanks alot guys for your words of wisdom. I've no intention of giving up yet, but I was just a little jarred from the news, as I'm pretty sure I got a 100% on a few of the pilapt tests, sure I may have done miserably at others, and I know I screwed up the maths test badly. But I know you can re-take the maths test at phase 3 or something similar...so this had me wondering about my overall performance.

However, I believe things happens for a reason, and I guess it just was not my time to go through to phase 3 yet. I will use my 6 months to better myself and prepare to re-apply. I hope they send me some more feedback so I have something more specific to focus on.

Again, thanks for the pep talk :ok: It was very much in need.

CF

[AdamLT]

crazy fokker...keep fighting. i know u can do it :)

[Tommy' C]

Does anyone know, upon coming out of CTC with your fATPL, do you automatically go into the holdpool at the back, or do airlines sometime pick up pilots along the way, regardless of the pool situation?

Cheers

[rod_1986]

Entirely depends on the jobs available. In the past generally everybody's been picked up by an airline before finishing the course. Currently, however, there's a holdpool of cadets building up, which isn't expected to start going down until Jan/Feb. As for the situation in 2 years' time.....your guess is as good as mine :}

[chrisd7]

How long does it take to receive the results from the medical?

[greywind]

when you go for your class 1 medical you receive your results there and then and if you pass you get given your certificate to take home.

[bjkeates]

Is that the case for the initial now as well? When I did mine 18 months ago I had to wait for mine to come in the post, but my renewal certificate was given to me there and then.

[greywind]

I did my initial class 1 in August and got the certificate straight away.
Did already hold a class 2 so don't know if that made any difference?

[Potential]

No, I did my class 1 initial earlier this year with no class 2 and got the thumbs up straight away on the day :ok:

[RS999]

CrazyFokker...don't worry about failing Stage 2 mate. I did the same and I'm now off to NZ on CP57 in January.

As for the Class 1 Medical.....I didn't get my Certificate until approx 2 weeks later (via the mail) as they wanted to check something on my ECG. Turned out ok though. Daphne at CTC reassured me by saying this is fairly common. So, any time up 2 weeks I suppose but if all's fine on the day then you'll get your certificate that day.:ok:

[Crazy Fokker]

Thanks alot for letting me know that RS999, it means alot :ok:

I wish you all the best for NZ!

[RS999]

Cheers, hopefully see you out there before I leave in Dec 08.

Good luck mate and stick at it:ok:

[gg100]

Anyone out there also on it???

[De-fault]

The only information that every seems to be listed on PPRUNE is about the selection process and what who has been successful in en-rolling on the course. Can someone please point me in the direction of the information about what happens to the cadets once they have completed the course. How long do they wait in a hold pool? What percentage progress to airline jobs with CTC partners?

The CTC cadets strikes me as a very well regarded and professional course hence the high competition and difficulty in securing places. I just find it strange that there is very little information on the cadets after completion although I can find lots on the wings ATP's.

[EZYramper]

I believe that so far everyone who has successfully completed training has been placed with an airline - 100% employment rate.

After completing the CPL/IR with ATPL credits, you then go on to do the Airline Qualification Course and begin type rating for the aircraft you are going to go onto. I think cadets are generally ''tagged'' by the selected airline during the end phases of training.

CTC said that there may be a couple of weeks wait before starting the AQC, I think recently there has been a bit of a holdpool due to the situation with the airlines, easyjet over-crewed and all the mergers.

This info may be wrong tho, maybe someone who's been through the process already can better comment.

[Lucky252]

I know of a guy who is waiting 10-12 weeks between the intermediate phase (end of ME/IR) and advanced phase (type rating, MCC ect with the partner airline) at the moment but that is the longest wait I have heard about for a wings cadet. Up to now all have got jobs but it is worth baring in mind that this i not promised by CTC but i think it would harm their reputation (which is a major trading point for them) should someone not become employed.

EZYramper i believe i will be going out to NZ with you (i'm on cp56) look forward to meeting you guys, will join the facebook group as soon as i can.

[AdamLT]

Afternoon all

i passed my stage 2 last week and thoroughly overjoyed. I have already guessed stage 3 will be more rigorous. any help on how to prepare for the interview? i have heard thet they ask you what you know about the partner airlines, their fleet, history, etc, and some technical aspects of the aircraft they fly.
is there any other relevant info you could throw my way to help me?

much appreciated guys

ad :)

[rick0]

AdamLT,

Dont know but perhaps some industry news and stuff about the financial/business sectors? they're all related.. makes you look intelligent too if you ramble on about how the state of the markets may affect the future of aviation :)

[AdamLT]

cheers rick0. yep, im always reading Flight International to keep up on the business side of things.
cheers for your note :ok:

[EZYramper]

In my interview they just asked "if we were sitting in the crew room now, what aviation related subjects would we be talking about?".

So I just gave a few examples of current events and that was that, about 3% of the interview.

The rest of it was spent giving examples of where I'd done this and that and the other.

[Barcelona cadet]

Hello everyone,

I'm trying to sort all the stuff that comes after stage 4 and I was wondering if everyone has decided to go with HSBC for the bond

And for the insurance what has people gone for ?

thanks

[bjkeates]

Unless you've got a spare £60k lying around, I highly doubt you'll have much choice other than to go with HSBC! Go into any other bank and ask for £60k unsecured to fund pilot training and they'll probably laugh in your face. Even my local branch of HSBC wouldn't believe me until I showed them the letter from the Hythe branch.

[RS999]

In my interview they just asked "if we were sitting in the crew room now, what aviation related subjects would we be talking about?".

So I just gave a few examples of current events and that was that, about 3% of the interview.

The rest of it was spent giving examples of where I'd done this and that and the other.

Me too. I spoke for about 2 seconds on Pilot Fatigue and was told to move on, then got about 2 seconds in about the environmental impact of air travel and was told to move on then I spoke about the Open Skies Agreement between Europe and the Yanks.

I assume they kept moving me on to make sure I had researched something more than just 1 topic.

[Marvin The Android]

Hi guys

Well I got to phase 3 which i had yesterday. The day was enjoyable & the ctc guys are very nice.

I thought I performed quite well in the group exercises contributing and giving sensible ideas , maybe questioning others but remaining polite.I felt I showed a fair bit of leadership in the 2nd exercise too without being domineering.

In the interview i answered all the questions with good examples of teamship and leadership. I also answered the more technical questions correctly and in depth.

I was please with the day and my performance. I also had gained a 2.1 in a relevant disciplin from a leading university.

So i thought my chances were good. Untill this morning when i read my emails. I failed phase 3 somewhere.

Im obviously very dissappointed. Its clear CTC are a good organisation and the current CTC'ers were decent & i always got along well with all of them.

Now I have to look elsewhere. Good luck to everyone else.

Im just completly lost as to where I fell short.:ugh:

[aspidustra]

Following what De-fault said I wondered if there is any of the early CTCer's reading this who could give an idea of what life is like on an Easyjet/Thomas Cook etc. FO salary with a 60k loan looming over them??

I'm just about to finish uni and will not let financial issues stop me from flying, so will apply to CTC. The only thing that worries me is five years down the line what's the quality of life like?? And I know it's a long way off for me but like families and mortgage and stuff? anyone any experience (preferably encouraging!!) they could share?

Thanks,
Rob

[Geetea]

Marvin, I was there with you! Which group were you in? I am really sorry to hear that you didnt get it because when we were talking in the crew room it sounded like we all did really well! AdamLT, if anything mate,convey to them that your a team player and a leader and know everything about the job your going for,best advice i can possibly give you because every interview is different depending on your on life experience so far.

[Marvin The Android]

you get through then geetea?

[Geetea]

Thankfully yeah, just one of those situations where you dont know how you got on until they tell you how you get on! You can only speculate on your weaknesses and strengths, do they give you feedback because im under the impression they dont even though you have forked out 170 quid for the privilage.For the record i was Graham in the blue group

GT

[Polorutz]

Having failed phase 3 myself I know first hand they do provide feedback to those invited to reapply, I don't know about what happens when they don't re-invite you but if you drop Mary Brown an Email asking her to help you improve yourself by telling you what happened I don't think she'll ignore you.

[Polorutz]

Barcelona, if you can get a better loan, maybe secured, with another bank then go for it but of you don't own any property it will be impossible to get that much money for flight training. As for the insurance, the advantage of Paul Jones is that they are in direct contact with HSBC and CTC so most of the paperwork gets sorted out easily.

[RS999]

I'll be getting my insurance from PJIS for that very same reason Polorutz. Just need to sell my car as the insurances are not cheap!!!

[ryanbarker747]

Has anyone got there 60,000 pound back from the cadet program or getting there money back from monthly installments, can some one please explain to me in more detail about this Security Bond, i find the site quit low on info about this
Thanks
Ryan

[EZYramper]

What do you want to know exactly Ryan?

You pay £60,000 for the bond. When you join an airline they repay this in £1000 a month tax free instalments for 7 years.

You can finance the bond however you like, most cadets get a loan specifically catered to the scheme provided by HSBC with an interest rate of 2.75% above the bank of England base rate for borrowing.

Which currently means at 8.8%, £60,000 over 9 years works out at just under £90,000 paid back to HSBC

[ryanbarker747]

do they have a telephone number were i can talk to them as they do not reply to emails or so it seems it has been 6 days since i have sent them a mail

[RS999]

Lynda Loveless
HSBC Bank PLC
17 The Marsh
Hythe
Southampton
Hampshire
SO45 6ZB
Tel: 08455 848379

HSBC will only entertain you for the CTC Wings Programme if you have a confirmed place on a course (as far as I'm aware)

:ok:

[ryanbarker747]

and what about for the cadet program?

[PAJ]

Mate, I highly doubt Linda will be able to give you all the information you require as she only really deals with those who have made it through each stage of selection and been offered a place. CTC give you loads of info at Stage 2 if you make it through the online application and will answer your questions there. As you are 16, you still have a fair amount of time to wait until you can apply. Read through these threads - long they may be, but much of the information you are looking for is on here somewhere. Also, the CTC Wings programme is the same thing as the cadet programme you mention.

[ryanbarker747]

oh ok thanks paj, and do you know whats the average age of people who go, and if they go to uni first? and whats the housing like in both england and new zealand?
Thanks
Ryan

[PAJ]

Average age is about 24 I would say. Most have been to uni, although this is not a pre-requisite to get a place but it does act as a good back-up in case you need/ want to change careers later on plus shows an ability to study to a more technical level. My degree was competely unrelated (Business Mgt and Economics!) but I felt it left me with the most options if I could no longer fly. The housing is fairly comparable to uni halls of residence. The rooms are single ensuite with a kitchenette thing and are either based in the centre Hamilton requiring you to drive to the airport (15mins) each day or just outside the airport perimeter under the final approach to runway 18. They are more than adequate with tv and internet and washing facilities. In the UK, B&Bs are used when doing the ground exams and I cannot shed light on the housing in Bournemouth as I have not got that far yet!

[ryanbarker747]

i honestly cant wait, im gona get a 3 years BSc Degree in Buisness like you in Dublin or in London then some were need the end apply to ctc, i already have 10 hours in a piper warrior so hopefully theyll like that for the interview, although its 5 years away im counting down the days,
sound like a good plan?
Im not really good at physics or Math but hey 5 years to study :D
Also for those of you in New Zealand or those who know whats the daily schedule like
Thanks
Ryan

[kieranTsoarer]

READ THE THREAD. If you keep asking the same questions it will dilute the information, the main reason for there being a zillion pages!

[Shakuri]

ryan, you have a long way to go yet, seems like you are asking for information that you dont actually need yet, for one thing things could be completely different in 5 years.

My advice to you is to stop thinking about ctc at the moment, concentrate on getting to uni and getting the best degree possible and at the same time get some flying in. Near the end of your degree is when you want to start thinking about ctc.