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Old 28th Jun 2023, 23:10
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Originally Posted by LTNman
As for Pabely, well what can I say, letís cover everything in concrete. No, I donít
I'm afraid you offer no solutions other than not in my back yard.
Joe public wants to go on their hols multiple times a year and if they are forced to go to Stansted or Gatwick then it is fine by you.
Would you have objected if T2 was never brought up and Gulfstream were allowed to build their Farnborough facilities on such land along with other well paid jobs of an expanded TUI & Techik engineering bases at Luton? Perhaps Marshalls could have been offered facilities rather than going to Cranfield?
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Old 28th Jun 2023, 23:14
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Apologies for going off-topic, but couldn't resist:
Best not even mention the club which requires you to have visited 100 countries just to become a member then... they even have a branch in London with occasional meet-ups.
https://travelerscenturyclub.org/
Best get 7 more countries signed off, is there a direct flight from Luton to Dubai yet so I can transfer to an Indian Ocean Island?
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Old 28th Jun 2023, 23:40
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I don’t think you have grasped the bigger picture, as it doesn’t affect you in any meaningful way and you don’t live on a South Pacific Island. The sad truth is that we all need to fly less, as we will be compelled to drive around in our crappy 150 mile range expensive electric cars while living in homes with heat source pumps that cost 3 times the price of a gas boiler to install.. I can’t say I look forward to the future.

Luton doesn’t have to grow to be successful or be covered in yet more concrete, in fact it was financial successful when it didn’t start spending money it didn’t have. 18 million passengers is enough although no one will agree with me here.
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Old 29th Jun 2023, 00:21
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Originally Posted by LTNman
It was total sarcasm. Thank you for your rage. Those comments deserved your response but I expect my comments are the secret views of a few here. The world needs protecting but most people here are in denial, as are the airport owner (LRT), the airport operator and the Council, who is the true owner and who is plotting to nearly double the airport. As for the Council, they are all two faced hypocrites of the lowest order. They have declared a climate emergency but have excluded what flies into Luton from their climate declaration.


As for Pabely, well what can I say, letís cover everything in concrete. No, I donít think so.



Have you considered that you are part of the problem?
It was obviously a question with the use of the question mark so here is my answer.
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Most of my worldwide traveling was whilst I was in the British Merchant Navy over twenty years ago. Most of my European travel is undertaken by train or car. Most of my travel is now centred on closer to home. My personal vehicle is electric, solar power and no gas at home.

So no I haven't considered that I might be part of the problem!
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Old 29th Jun 2023, 00:31
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I donít think you have grasped the bigger picture, as it doesnít affect you in any meaningful way and you donít live on a South Pacific Island. The sad truth is that we all need to fly less, as we will be compelled to drive around in our crappy 150 mile range expensive electric cars while living in homes with heat source pumps that cost 3 times the price of a gas boiler to install.. I canít say I look forward to the future.

Luton doesnít have to grow to be successful or be covered in yet more concrete, in fact it was financial successful when it didnít start spending money it didnít have. 18 million passengers is enough although no one will agree with me here.
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Yet Male has accepted 3 new/resumed airline routes this week allown so they themselves are adding to the problem.

I have Dutch freinds, one of the most green in Europe and they are seriously worried about their jobs because of the green agenda.

For Luton 18m obviously is not enough for Joe Public otherwise they wouldn't keep coming.

Don't get me started on electic cars. In a world of increased living costs I am not going to buy something which is more expensive, has shorter range, has to interrupt my working day to be topped up, has little second value because the battery is shot and needs replacement to landfill - this from experience.
My neighbour works for a courier company, his electric van can only do 1/2 days work and he has been caught out in a busy city with zero juice.
Hybrid I can understand but there are no solutions yet in the aviation world.

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Old 29th Jun 2023, 05:25
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For Luton 18m obviously is not enough for Joe Public otherwise they wouldn't keep coming.
Travel is price sensitive so increasing prices, either through inflation or taxation, kerbs demand but there is a lag before demand is hit. I would think next year Luton will be handling less passengers when those fix rate mortgage deals gradually come to an end.

Package holidays in Greece, Spain and Turkey soar in price https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66042289

Glad we agree on electric cars, but is doing nothing really the solution? LRT planning application commits to a zero neutral airport by 2040 but refuses to put any limits on green house gases caused by aircraft using Luton and there lies the issue, as they know pollution will massively increase under their proposals and they really don’t care.

They should care, as the signs are already there. For example, the Spanish drought is affecting the price of tomatoes, olive oil and a host of other foods.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/im...ned-by-drought

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Old 29th Jun 2023, 07:11
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Having recently returned from a tour of South Africa (usual things, safari, battlefields, wine route etc) I wouldn't get too carried away about putting more concrete down etc here in the UK. The country cannot produce enough electricity to keep the lights on for 24 hrs a day, so they have what is called load shedding where parts of the country have two hour blackouts (you are given a warning), so hotels etc rely on generators. Eighty one percent of the electricity is produced from coal which is transported by diesel trucks from the coal mine to the power stations. Electric cars and charging points are almost non existant as a local guide said what is the point when we cannot keep the lights on!
​​​​​​May I suggest that most of the population care more about having a job and putting food on the table. Unleaded petrol and diesel about £1 a litre.
The two internal flights by CEMair were excellent - Dash 8 and CRJ900.
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Old 29th Jun 2023, 07:57
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Its clearly difficult and probably politically unacceptable to make air travel more expensive for the masses for 'net zero'

However aim could and should be taken at the boom in executive jet flights that manage to avoid APD and other 'green' taxation. Supporters will of course say that emissions from private jets form a small percentage of the problem, but as a well known supermarket keeps telling us 'every little helps'
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Old 29th Jun 2023, 09:08
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Have you considered that you are part of the problem?
Would these flights have taken off if ďthe person who is part of the problemď didnít show up?

The stats show that the UKís emissions are coming down bit by bit every year. We as a collective are doing our bit - itís time for other countries to take some share. As much as I dislike the guy, Boris was excellent in this area and work has since been undone by Truss and Sunak.
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I agree, tough choices but while we are collectively all doing our bit LRT isn’t. They have excluded aircraft pollution and plan to substantially increase it.
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Our emissions are coming down as we make less and less and import more and more. We're exporting our emissions.
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Old 29th Jun 2023, 13:17
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I agree, tough choices but while we are collectively all doing our bit LRT isnít. They have excluded aircraft pollution and plan to substantially increase it.
So all this is lies?
https://www.oecd.org/greengrowth/#:~:text=Green%20Growth%20means%20fostering%20economic,which %20our%20well%2Dbeing%20relies.

https://lutonrising.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/LR_Green-Controlled-Growth.pdf

https://lutonrising.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Draft-GCG.pdf

You want zero Growth?
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Green controlled growth is all BS with targets set that they know they can achieve. You can’t escape the fact that LRT have excluded aircraft pollution and that is the biggest cause at Luton.
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Polution = Air Quality
which is only mentioned 47 times.
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I am thinking you have had a deep dive into the Green Growth documents using a word search and couldn’t find any examples where “Air Quality” is mentioned regarding setting limits on aircraft emissions?

Not surprising really, as if it was set at todays levels there would be no expansion plans for 32m and no need to concrete over public open space.
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Originally Posted by Falcon666
Noticed Delta closure extended again to 2/7.
What WIP is still going on?
Delta back in use today and noted some traffic going the other way along Foxtrot.
Whether the 90s will be used for airliners we will see tonight.
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Few nice moments for the spotters tomorrow, Neos Max & JetMagic 757. Both probably handled by to FBOs.
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Enhanced connectivity via Coaches.
National Express
  • A31, running 12 services per day between Luton Airport and Portsmouth via London
  • A2 between Luton Airport and London Paddington, which has seen daily services increase from 16 to 48
FlixBus also promised upgrades and new connectivity.
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Surprised I got no reaction to my comment about buses Connection from Hampshire and Feltham!
Is Luton pulling passengers away from Gatwick?
Also Paddington, is the demand from Long Haul at Heathrow?
I assume National Express will know the postcode of bookings so perhaps there is demand from West London & South.

Interesting the plans for the terminal expansion up the road in Essex. I believe Gatwick are due to publish their future expansion plans (again).
Luton better get moving to keep up!
Things boomin at Birmingham as well
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Pabely - I was going to mention this. There are a substantial number of routes at LTN which are unserved or poorly served by LHR or LGW. Perhaps this gives cause for connections to south and west London ? If I was from Romania and living in Reading and wanting to see family... a coach from Paddington to LTN would be of interest.
Or maybe there really are a lot of cheapskates like me who just care about which option overall is cheapest and will happily spend an extra hour on public transport if it saves substantial cash ?
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