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Old 19th Jun 2023, 13:51
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I think you are making it up, as I actually said

Not quite the same thing, as I also pointed out that an expanded Luton would substantially require more slots when there are not enough now according to Pabely.

As for easyJet blaming Luton weather, how many diversion were there due to light rain? Answer none. The real issue is more likely to be a lack of staff, as people donít like the shift pattens when there is an abundance of jobs away from the airport.
There are plenty of slots during the day, are you getting confused about night & day? How come the constant stream of BizJets arrive? Once Luton gets fast exit / entry taxiways then capacity can be raised again.
Shift patterns are the Industry now, if you don't like it don't enter the profession. Lack of Staff at Gatwick & Manchester as well?
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Old 19th Jun 2023, 14:52
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I am not confused at all. I pointed out Easyjet domestic cancellations blaming weather when there was no bad weather and you said

Not just Domestic, x2 Amsterdam, Zurich, Venice & Paris. I did say earlier they were suffering from slot restrictions. You don't want to look at the LGW departures board!
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Old 19th Jun 2023, 16:17
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https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b2360133.html
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Old 19th Jun 2023, 17:51
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I am repeating myself here but there was no bad weather at Luton and no diversions. I wanted a good storm to water the grass and ended up with a bit of leaf moisture leaving me underwhelmed. Might be the case at Luton that flights were cancelled to get the flying programme back on schedule or maybe there was bad weather elsewhere but the easyjet flight tracker said poor weather at Luton.


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Old 19th Jun 2023, 18:00
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The flights were cancelled hours before departure as Easyjet anticipated bad weather as per the TAF but it never happened.
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Old 19th Jun 2023, 19:26
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If it was forecast on a TAF then you are dammed if you cancel and dammed if you don't if your airplanes and crews end up all over the place!
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Old 19th Jun 2023, 21:57
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FlyOne upping Luton frequency to Chisinau from 5x weekly to daily from this weekend. Leaving Heathrow and adding 5x weekly Stansted flight from 3rd August. [Credit Sean M on twitter]. Looking at the schedule, the Luton flights move to a much more sociable mid-morning slot when the Stansted flights start: arr. LTN @ 09.20 and dep. LTN @ 10.20. Interestingly, and linking to recent debate, this is one of the quietest periods of the day for scheduled airline movements.
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Old 20th Jun 2023, 00:29
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Sorry who is leaving Heathrow and going to Stansted?
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Old 20th Jun 2023, 03:20
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Originally Posted by pabely
Sorry who is leaving Heathrow and going to Stansted?
The airline was mentioned at the very beginning of the first sentence. It's FlyOne.
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Old 20th Jun 2023, 07:35
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
The airline was mentioned at the very beginning of the first sentence. It's FlyOne.
I know they were sheduled to start x2 weekly to LHR but did that ever start?
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230515-5fjun23lhr
They can be hit snd miss on arriving at LTN on their existing shedules.

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Old 20th Jun 2023, 12:27
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With the apparent move of SunExpress to Stansted next year... it seems Luton is relying on a few very large eggs in its basket. If Easyjet and Wizzair were to merge in 2 years time, that would leave one airline with an awful lot of leverage at LTN
Anyone able to say why SunExpress are leaving, and what airlines might potentially be lured to LTN ?
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Old 20th Jun 2023, 12:59
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The Dart and the 30 minute travel time from London would be a lure but that is where it ends. Some would say the terminal has the appeal of a turd in a swimming pool but I would say that is being a little harsh. Certainly during less busy periods the airport is adequate as long as it isn’t raining. Visually, the inside of the terminal is a mess.

So what is stopping other carriers coming to Luton? Well I can think of 3. If another airline makes a success out of a new route then there are 3 potential poachers. I am surprised ELAL stayed around but ELAL is a unique carrier with its own fan base.

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Old 20th Jun 2023, 14:34
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
With the apparent move of SunExpress to Stansted next year... it seems Luton is relying on a few very large eggs in its basket. If Easyjet and Wizzair were to merge in 2 years time, that would leave one airline with an awful lot of leverage at LTN
Anyone able to say why SunExpress are leaving, and what airlines might potentially be lured to LTN ?
Not being privy to their decision-making process, I presume that Sun Express intend to move from LTN to STN because of slot availability. It is clear that the ludicrous 18m pax cap is stultifying organic growth, especially amongst the smaller airlines at the airport. Ryanair and TUI have both applied for extra slots and been thwarted. Other airlines (like Jet2) can see that there is no opportunity at Luton to build a viable base, so they don't even apply.
From a geographical point of view, Luton is ideally placed for growth, but the lack of a national infrastructure strategy, public sector sclerosis, and general short-termism have deprived the UK of the opportunity of a conveniently-located major airport.
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It is clear that the ludicrous 18m pax cap is stultifying organic growth,
And whose fault is that then?

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Old 20th Jun 2023, 17:53
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Agreed! A comment from somebody who has looked at the numbers. A blindfold test would be interesting!
The most audibly loud aircraft departures from Luton much surely be the EAT A300 especially the evening positioning departure to Heathrow that barely gets above 3500 over Markyate , Hemel, The Langleys, Watford and indeed my home in Northwood
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Grrr

Originally Posted by LGS6753
Not being privy to their decision-making process, I presume that Sun Express intend to move from LTN to STN because of slot availability. It is clear that the ludicrous 18m pax cap is stultifying organic growth, especially amongst the smaller airlines at the airport. Ryanair and TUI have both applied for extra slots and been thwarted. Other airlines (like Jet2) can see that there is no opportunity at Luton to build a viable base, so they don't even apply.
From a geographical point of view, Luton is ideally placed for growth, but the lack of a national infrastructure strategy, public sector sclerosis, and general short-termism have deprived the UK of the opportunity of a conveniently-located major airport.
I'm sure that the council tax payers of Luton might as well take on extra £ billions of debt and have 1 or 2 terminals built at their fronts doors!

Let me get this right, you would have unlimited growth at any cost?

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Old 21st Jun 2023, 06:58
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Yes, Luton is ideally placed for growth - so long as you don't live anywhere near it...
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Old 21st Jun 2023, 07:27
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LRT is a basket case, the only thing on the up for them is their debts, their loses, their wage bill, that is set to nearly double this year and their ever increasing secrecy that they hide behind plus their limitless propaganda machine that the Kremlin would be proud of.

Total incompetence that is hidden from the Luton taxpayer and that is exploited by the airport operator who always seems to have the upper hand.

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What happened to having a second runway at Gatwick ? If you are going to point at short-termism then there are many more deserving examples than a provincial airport.
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Old 21st Jun 2023, 08:59
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So a few educated Luton taxpayers will be asking why does the airport even need to grow?

The claim is that it creates jobs except they can’t fill the vacancies they have, as people don’t want to work there on shift patterns that destroy home life including Christmas Day.

The other claim is that LRT gives millions away despite the loses to charities and good causes. What they don’t mention is that the money now comes from the Council and not income earned from the airport, as the company can claim tax relief on donations.

The sad truth is that LRT would be a successful profitable company bringing financial benefits to the town if they had not been motivated by greed and the total contempt of people that will be disturbed by their plans. Now despite passenger figures more than doubling and LRT receiving concession income when they got nothing for 2020/21 their 12 month audited debts have now more than doubled from £109.8m to over £232m.

If anyone thinks Luton Rising Temperature is going to make a profit next year then keep on dreaming.







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