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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 17:43
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The stands didn’t get nor did they apply for planning permission, as it was deemed to be not required. Very handy when the owner is the planning authority. Even if it was required it would have been nodded through as once again the owner is the planning authority.
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Old 23rd Oct 2022, 18:29
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Originally Posted by ClearLand08
I'm not certain the planning permission for the 6-pack behind the run-up bay is still valid. In the application that is on the council website for the current plans it reads to me that these replace the previously approved 6-pack. It reads "To facilitate the development of the new General Aviation layout, the location of the new permitted stands [the 6-pack] was changed and attached drawing details our requirement for 46 no Code C commercial stands"
Yes but they are allowed 48 Class C Commercial stands and this current reconfiguration is for 46 by giving some back to the FBOs. It doesn't take much more in that direction, 11L, 14, 15 & 19 to be no longer be designated Commercial stands and then self approval for the N1-N6 has a case again. The area does present some issues in it's remoteness to the terminal so maybe just another FBO overflow, it will come. They have no problems using Delta taxiway currently whilst WIP on the new 100 stands. I noted a King Power Gulfstream parked up on it the other day, that normally goes to SEN when not being used from Luton for parking. Income is income even in parking.
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Old 23rd Oct 2022, 18:48
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Wizzair UK Long Haul

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While the A321XLRs are likely to have a presence across Wizz’ UK bases, they would be flying eastbound. Dissecting the possible route opportunities,

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Old 23rd Oct 2022, 19:49
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“A presence across Wizz’ UK bases” - Haven’t they closed all but two of them?? 🫤🙃
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Old 23rd Oct 2022, 20:56
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Originally Posted by EZYPZY
“A presence across Wizz’ UK bases” - Haven’t they closed all but two of them?? 🫤🙃
DSA has gone but CWL is just on ice but yes bases basically means LTN & LGW. AUH, GYD & some in Saudi come to mind, even Uzbekistan & Kazakhstan. Totally new markets with no completion from normal LCCs.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 10:50
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So if we assume that Wizz are interested in using their A321XLRs from Luton, what sort of range would they have off the relatively short runway, assuming that a full load is economically vital? What would be in range - Abu Dhabi, Saudi, Dubai or further?
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 11:37
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It is a good point, how the A321XLR compares to say the old Silverjet 767s when you have a density populated configuration vs I think it was just 96 premium customers.
I'm sure the wings on the A321 are more efficient & brakes for an aborted takeoff would be better but with better fuel burn would it require as much fuel as a 767 did?
I remember that Silverjet were to get x2 767ERs from TUI and were talking about Joberg, LA, Delhi & Shanghai before things went TU!
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 13:03
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Originally Posted by pabely
It is a good point, how the A321XLR compares to say the old Silverjet 767s when you have a density populated configuration vs I think it was just 96 premium customers.
I'm sure the wings on the A321 are more efficient & brakes for an aborted takeoff would be better but with better fuel burn would it require as much fuel as a 767 did?
I remember that Silverjet were to get x2 767ERs from TUI and were talking about Joberg, LA, Delhi & Shanghai before things went TU!
I once flew with Monarch to Florida from Luton on a packed 757. Admittedly the aircraft landed at Maine to refuel but the 757 was a far heavier a/c than the modern A321. I hope some long haul routes come to LTN.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 13:39
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So no one knows so let’s have a guess.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 16:17
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As I more or less said before, I think people are over-excited. The possible range and what Wizz would do with them are two separate things. I don’t believe they’ll stray from existing range because overnighting crews etc is a completely different business model. Places like Baku however would perhaps be just about do-able. Dubai would not.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 16:37
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AP1 - I agree with you on the range thing in regards to the business model. However, given the huge demand there is for travel between the UK and the UAE, combined with Wizz's base in Abu Dhabi, I'm wondering whether Wizz might make an exception to their business model and fly LTN-AUH non-stop, albeit at a higher price than if crew did not need hotel rooms.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 16:44
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More likely to fly those routes from Gatwick, if at all.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 17:57
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
So if we assume that Wizz are interested in using their A321XLRs from Luton, what sort of range would they have off the relatively short runway, assuming that a full load is economically vital? What would be in range - Abu Dhabi, Saudi, Dubai or further?
I would say that it should make it to these destinations quite comfortably. I don’t think you’d need to go up to MTOW either as remember you’re going eastbound with a tailwind.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 18:09
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Let's remember when we only had W6, large parts of the Ibis were block booked for crews doing the early outbound. It's only recently that W9 have taken these all over and now locally based crews so they are no strangers to doing crew overnights. I suspect crews would like doing longer sectors rather than their usual trunk routes.
As far as LGW getting these routes, Wizz have a history of trying LTN first, most recently the new Jordan route.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 21:46
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Or a case that Wizz found out that they didn’t work from LTN?

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Originally Posted by LTNman
Or a case that Wizz found out that they didn’t work from LTN?
Where has worked for them at Gatwick which hasn't work at Luton?
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Old 25th Oct 2022, 14:08
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I shouldn't worry Pabely LTNman's middle name is negative didn't you know!
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Old 25th Oct 2022, 19:35
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I have been playing around with the East Midland Trains booking engine. A non stop train from Luton Airport Parkway to St Pancras can be purchased for as little as £2.60 each way, or £5.20 return, which is a revelation.

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Old 25th Oct 2022, 20:22
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
So if we assume that Wizz are interested in using their A321XLRs from Luton, what sort of range would they have off the relatively short runway, assuming that a full load is economically vital? What would be in range - Abu Dhabi, Saudi, Dubai or further?
Airports offering large subsidies to open routes up.
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Old 25th Oct 2022, 21:59
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear
Airports offering large subsidies to open routes up.
Neom (Saudi) is definitely a possibility and highly likely to be offering incentives, I believe the resort will start to open late this year and be reasonably advanced for next winter season ‘23/24. Great circle distance is around 17 miles further than Hurghada and 37 further than Sharm el Sheikh.
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