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Old 21st Jun 2023, 17:57
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Extensive new charter programme
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/israeli...uton-to-eilat/
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Old 21st Jun 2023, 20:02
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You would think they would sell tickets on the 2 empty legs.
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Old 21st Jun 2023, 21:19
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Originally Posted by LTNman
So a few educated Luton taxpayers will be asking why does the airport even need to grow?

The claim is that it creates jobs except they canít fill the vacancies they have, as people donít want to work there on shift patterns that destroy home life including Christmas Day.

The other claim is that LRT gives millions away despite the loses to charities and good causes. What they donít mention is that the money now comes from the Council and not income earned from the airport, as the company can claim tax relief on donations.

The sad truth is that LRT would be a successful profitable company bringing financial benefits to the town if they had not been motivated by greed and the total contempt of people that will be disturbed by their plans. Now despite passenger figures more than doubling and LRT receiving concession income when they got nothing for 2020/21 their 12 month audited debts have now more than doubled from £109.8m to over £232m.

If anyone thinks Luton Rising Temperature is going to make a profit next year then keep on dreaming.
It's a good think you edited your update, didn't you say LRT had zero Income and it was the Council who made Charitable Donations?



I am no accountant but I read Concession Income of £21,073,000 (less the £13,200.00 due to Force Majeure) and Charitable Donations of £7.3m or are Deliotte's submitting incorrect information to Companies House?
What's wrong with Debt as long as you can service it? UK Plc owes Trillions £ yet makes Interest payments every month, the problem is when you cannot service it like having a credit card you can no longer pay back.

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Old 21st Jun 2023, 22:26
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LRT received zero concession income for 2020/2021, as the airport operator refused to hand over even the guaranteed minimum payment claiming Force Majeure but had other income of just £814,000 as per your screen shot.

LRT couldn't service their debt, which is why the Council has given them access to a £199m stabilisation fund. When reported, in the link below, that fund stood at £119m but it has increased since then to £199m
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/po...ompany-3289725

In 2015/16, charity donations peaked at £14.8 million before they started spending money on projects rather than being just a rent and concession collector.
In 2019/20 donations were £9.1 million.
In 2020/21 donations were £8.3 million,
In 2021/22 they dropped to £7.4 million.

Charitable donations are on a gradual decline year on year.


What's wrong with Debt as long as you can service it? UK Plc owes Trillions £ yet makes Interest payments every month, the problem is when you cannot service it like having a credit card you can no longer pay back
Ask the Luton taxpayer who has seen the LRT dividend end due to LRT trying to service its debts. Regrading charitable donations. If the Town Hall donates then they get no tax relief. If they pass the money onto LRT first then LRT gets tax relief. Seeing LRT has access to Town Hall money via its stabilisation plan then they can turn it around for charitable donations and claim tax relief. Do you really think that on an income of £21m they are going to donate a third of it while making loses of £232.1m?
https://www.gov.uk/tax-limited-company-gives-to-charity.

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I think LTNman the Israir inbound/outbound legs will be Israelis visiting London over the Christmas period. It maybe that the charter is for them and the UK travel agent has seen an opportunity to sell tickets to Eilat.
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Watch out spotters, N278GX might come your way from OTP. Not much chance that it will be used on LTN flights but who knows.
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Watch out spotters, N278GX might come your way from OTP. Not much chance that it will be used on LTN flights but who knows.
Didn't realise they actually used W4 for Wizzair Malta fight codes or a FR24 glitch?
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They do since May I believe.
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Although a lot of Maltese-registered aircraft appear here daily, all flights carry W6 or W9 designators.
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Just thinking ahead to next year with the Summer Ad-hoc slot ban traditionally starting from June 1st at 22:59.
Next year the Champions League Final is at Wembley and always generates lots of charters & bizjets with visiting fans. It is in the evening of the 1st so all those flights will start departing from 00:30 on 2nd.
In previous years Luton & Stansted (Gatwick a handful) picked up these, if it is between two none UK teams, say an Italian and a Spanish, where the hell are the planes going to go?
I'm assuming summer slot restrictions will be deferred a day. Luton residents plan a weekend visiting family & friends out of area with an overnight stay!
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During the last international final (sorry I can’t remember its name) football charters were given an exemption. Also the restrictions don’t have to start on June 1st. Last year it was from June 14th to 16th September.

https://ops.group/dashboard/wp-conte...tions-2022.pdf

This year it is from June 1st to September 20th.

This article is worth a read, as it states that Stansted could be used as an alternative.

universalweather.com/blog/luton-airport-night-slot-ban-summer-stansted-is-best-alternative/
While both Luton and Stansted will have night slot restrictions in summer 2023, Luton will be completely unavailable, while Stansted will have limited slots available.

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EGGW stats including intersection takeoff distances.

https://nats-uk.ead-it.com/cms-nats/...GGW-en-GB.html
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
Although a lot of Maltese-registered aircraft appear here daily, all flights carry W6 or W9 designators.
Non-EU. But hundreds of flights are W4 elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by TBSC
Non-EU. But hundreds of flights are W4 elsewhere.
The plane mentioned continues to serve EU - EU flights today using W4 flight codes yet the majority of other 9H & HA- aircraft are using W6 flight codes.
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Originally Posted by LTNman
During the last international final (sorry I canít remember its name) football charters were given an exemption. Also the restrictions donít have to start on June 1st. Last year it was from June 14th to 16th September.

https://ops.group/dashboard/wp-conte...tions-2022.pdf

This year it is from June 1st to September 20th.

This article is worth a read, as it states that Stansted could be used as an alternative.

universalweather.com/blog/luton-airport-night-slot-ban-summer-stansted-is-best-alternative/
Universal have a base at STN so will want to poach trade from Luton.
I know there will be a slot waver just like when the Euros were on.
My point is where do 30+ aircraft go for one evening/night, from past years many 777, A330s were employed to shift n0,000 fans about, certainly was a Turkish invasion to Manchester this year with overflow to Liverpool.
I well remember 1992 when flights were every 15 mins throughout the night from 00:30 and those were alot of DC9s & 727s. Not so bad in 2011 with only one non UK team and 2013 was all German and fans encouraged to use Eurostar.
Technically Luton has only 1 spare stand overnight.
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Originally Posted by pabely
The plane mentioned continues to serve EU - EU flights today using W4 flight codes yet the majority of other 9H & HA- aircraft are using W6 flight codes.
Bases in Italy, Romania and Vienna. As of this moment 30+ aircraft are in the air with W4/WMT flight number (out of 66 registered for Wizz Air Malta).
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My point is where do 30+ aircraft go for one evening/night, from past years many 777, A330s were employed to shift n0,000 fans about.
..................Technically Luton has only 1 spare stand overnight
You have answered your own question then. They won't be coming to Luton. Also the days of a pair of wide bodied aircraft like the Corsair 747's simultaneously coming to Luton are well and truly over as the airport shrinks the stands.
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Originally Posted by LTNman
You have answered your own question then. They won't be coming to Luton. Also the days of a pair of wide bodied aircraft like the Corsair 747's simultaneously coming to Luton are well and truly over as the airport shrinks the stands.
I bet alot will, with 7 new stands online it will have some capacity but the likes of Corsair's as you say have long gone.

Some other news, local work which airport generates.
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/tr...o-town-4195513
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Originally Posted by TBSC
Bases in Italy, Romania and Vienna. As of this moment 30+ aircraft are in the air with W4/WMT flight number (out of 66 registered for Wizz Air Malta).
To be fair OTP looks mostly W4 now with even BHX, LPL & LGW shedules from OTP with these flight codes yet LTN remains W9. Thus it can't be because of EU to EU. Maybe just a stepped switch over and not got round to alterations on EU based ops yet.
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Thus it can't be because of EU to EU.
Indeed. It's just a question of time then.
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