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Your analogy is a good example of why the world is in a mess over climate change. The solutions are painful, I accept that. You might not even believe in it and even if you do you are not bothered. Fair enough.
The DCO is looking at just Luton and nowhere else. Sustainable Development Goals is pure greenwash based on promises that might not deliver. It LRT was committed to sustainable aviation then they would wait until it is delivered.
The DCO is looking at just Luton and nowhere else. Sustainable Development Goals is pure greenwash based on promises that might not deliver. It LRT was committed to sustainable aviation then they would wait until it is delivered.
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Your analogy is a good example of why the world is in a mess over climate change. The solutions are painful, I accept that. You might not even believe in it and even if you do you are not bothered. Fair enough.
The DCO is looking at just Luton and nowhere else. Sustainable Development Goals is pure greenwash based on promises that might not deliver. It LRT was committed to sustainable aviation then they would wait until it is delivered.
The DCO is looking at just Luton and nowhere else. Sustainable Development Goals is pure greenwash based on promises that might not deliver. It LRT was committed to sustainable aviation then they would wait until it is delivered.
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From your comments you quote that the A321 NEO aircraft is not quieter than a standard A321 but as some who lives with aircraft taking off here in South Luton they most certainly are quieter
Luton official stats paint a different picture that a A321Neo is noisier than a standard A320
If people are selfish to deny employment opportunities for others I say they are definitely selfish. London Luton Airport is all we have in our region that can increase opportunities for all.
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Then something is wrong !
I am a resident in south Luton and am adamant they are quieter than the older aircraft types. Calibration comes to mind regarding sound. However LTNman you have not responded to the fact the U.K. C02 emissions. Please confirm that the U.K. has drastically reduced C02 emissions if you want to be considered an expert in global warnings.
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https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-8826/
From the House of Commons Library
The aviation industry has been under long-term pressure to reduce its contribution to climate change. In 2019, domestic and international aviation accounted for around 8% of UK CO2 equivalent emissions.
Under the Climate Change Act 2008 the UK is required to have net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.
However, aviation is widely recognised as both one of the most carbon-intensive forms of transport and one of the most difficult to decarbonise. This means that aviation could well be the largest contributor to UK greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, particularly if demand continues to grow.
Click on the opening link to read the full report
From the House of Commons Library
The aviation industry has been under long-term pressure to reduce its contribution to climate change. In 2019, domestic and international aviation accounted for around 8% of UK CO2 equivalent emissions.
Under the Climate Change Act 2008 the UK is required to have net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.
However, aviation is widely recognised as both one of the most carbon-intensive forms of transport and one of the most difficult to decarbonise. This means that aviation could well be the largest contributor to UK greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, particularly if demand continues to grow.
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Exactly and stopping expansion at Luton just shifts things somewhere else, it solves nothing other than deterring prosperity locally. Say Easyjet, TUI UK & Wizzair UK move out, along with their jobs it only reduces Luton prosperity. At the end of the day we all want to be green, but no-one wants a wind farm in their back yard and who can economically store power for when you want it?
Hydrogen Fuel is still a pipe dream. SAF Fuel is the way forward currently but is still expensive, perhaps it should have a negative tax to encourage more use, but that would be at a National level as the airport could only reduce landing fees as an insensitive.
Like it or not aviation is an expanding business and blaming LRT is just a personal attack on the way the Council has approached things which is fair enough, kick and shout about it to the local papers to get these unaccountable clowns out but don't make the core airport business suffer especially using a green card when it is convenient for objectives. That is a much wider planet debate.
What the man in the street wants is to get energy at an affordable price and enjoy a get away every so often.
Hydrogen Fuel is still a pipe dream. SAF Fuel is the way forward currently but is still expensive, perhaps it should have a negative tax to encourage more use, but that would be at a National level as the airport could only reduce landing fees as an insensitive.
Like it or not aviation is an expanding business and blaming LRT is just a personal attack on the way the Council has approached things which is fair enough, kick and shout about it to the local papers to get these unaccountable clowns out but don't make the core airport business suffer especially using a green card when it is convenient for objectives. That is a much wider planet debate.
What the man in the street wants is to get energy at an affordable price and enjoy a get away every so often.
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We are going around in circles so I will focus in the following comment, which is Luton specific so on topic.
Who has said anything about Luton airlines with bases moving out? Oh and Luton is not prosperous compared to surrounding towns. Those earning the money don’t live in Luton while those working at the airport and suffering from in-work poverty while living in deprived areas do.
Say Easyjet, TUI UK & Wizzair UK move out, along with their jobs it only reduces Luton prosperity.
Enhanced connectivity via Coaches.
National Express
National Express
- A31, running 12 services per day between Luton Airport and Portsmouth via London
- A2 between Luton Airport and London Paddington, which has seen daily services increase from 16 to 48
I took the A31 today from LTN to go to London - the coach seemed pretty empty with pax travelling mainly just to London. Does anyone know how the A31 coach route is doing ? (apart from a generic quote about it "exceeding passenger forecast numbers")
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Who has said anything about Luton airlines with bases moving out? Oh and Luton is not prosperous compared to surrounding towns. Those earning the money don’t live in Luton while those working at the airport and suffering from in-work poverty while living in deprived areas do.
Most surroundings towns have prosperity via London but note companies do find the attractions of a local airport for international connections.
Good jobs between M4 & M3 corridor were not due to the countryside.
Same can be said of Silicon Alley in East London and Tech Hubs around St Pancras - nothing to do with airports? Milton Keynes highly promotes its access to Luton Airport- Aylesbury Vale Council doesn't come out totally against Airport expansion as long as connectivity is improved.
As for in-work poverty, that can be applied to almost every employee sector now.
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Of course they will move out, who would stick around with Anti-airport about at better deals somewhere else?
I took the A31 today from LTN to go to London - the coach seemed pretty empty with pax travelling mainly just to London. Does anyone know how the A31 coach route is doing ? (apart from a generic quote about it "exceeding passenger forecast numbers")
I suspect the coach routes between London and Luton/Stansted are far too profitable for National Express to even think about accepting bus passes. These are not routes used by pensioners to get to their local supermarket or GP surgery...
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65 million passengers from Luton is a massive achievement. https://ukaviation.news/wizz-air-hit...-london-luton/
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Didn't I forecast this? I suspect this will be very popular like the Jordan service.
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...-cairo-service
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...-cairo-service
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Do not forget some of the summer routes are reduced in October so a number of slots come available is for Grenoble, Tromso etc. Go fly East that where the expansion will take place.
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LBC must be waiting for a change in UK Government if current is undecided about approving the DCO or is this a vote looser?
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...port-expansion
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...port-expansion
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Wonder why they didn't do such a thing in Wigmore Park?
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2023...age-to-pundits
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2023...age-to-pundits
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Have BBC just cherry picked arguments of opposition, I see nothing about polution or CO2?
http://BBC News - Luton Airport expa...herts-66459774
Perhaps an election in West London was a wake up call that the green agenda is great until it hits directly your pocket!?
http://BBC News - Luton Airport expa...herts-66459774
Perhaps an election in West London was a wake up call that the green agenda is great until it hits directly your pocket!?