Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 22nd Nov 2022, 09:55
  #11861 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: UK
Posts: 124
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ORAC
THE DUMP OF THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER:

Searchers in Kherson have discovered that departing Russians used a local landfill to dump and burn the corpses of their own dead soldiers. Some were burned, others merely buried in trash.
My friend who was in Kherson until Mid September told me of this back in July, I scarcely believed. She said it was happening 2 or 3 times a week and that there were multiple locations , one in the Tavrik district of the city and more on the outskirts.
Sometimes it was a lot for example after the large strike at the airport that resulted in 200 Russian KIA. As she said at the time
"morgues are filled to the fullest ..many body fragments. all this **** they burn"
​​​​​​​



Usertim is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 10:12
  #11862 (permalink)  
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Peripatetic
Posts: 16,279
Received 927 Likes on 461 Posts
Note the bit at the end about medics and engineers - British troops being deployed to Ukraine - something not picked up and reported elsewhere..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2228763.html

Power boss asks Ukrainians to leave the country to ease burden on damaged energy network

Citizens of Ukraine have been advised to leave the country – if they can – to help reduce demand on the energy network.

Ukrainians should consider leaving for “three to four months” as it “will be very helpful to the system”, Maxim Timchenko, the head of Ukraine’s biggest private energy supplier, has said.….

Mr Timchenko suggested that people reducing their energy use would help Ukraine win the war. He said: “If you consume less, then hospitals with injured soldiers will have guaranteed power supply. This is how it can be explained that, by consuming less or leaving, they also contribute to other people.”

Fixing the damaged infrastructure is also becoming more difficult as Ukraine has run out of equipment and spare parts. Mr Timchenko called on “partners, government officials, companies and equipment producers to help with the immediate supply of available equipment”….

Meanwhile, Rishi Sunak has visited Ukraine to meet Volodymyr Zelensky, as he announced a new £50m package of air defence support for the country.…

Mr Sunak said: “We are today providing new air defence, including anti-aircraft guns, radar and anti-drone equipment, and stepping up humanitarian support for the cold, hard winter ahead…..

Downing Street said the funding would help provide generators, shelter, water repairs and mobile health clinics, with the UK also sending tens of thousands of extreme-cold winter kits for Ukrainian troops.….

It follows the announcement by defence secretary Ben Wallace earlier this month that
more than 1,000 new anti-air missiles would be provided to Ukraine. The UK is also planning to send army medics and engineers.….
ORAC is online now  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 10:13
  #11863 (permalink)  
fdr
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: 3rd Rock, #29B
Posts: 2,754
Received 709 Likes on 210 Posts
Originally Posted by NutLoose
Arresting a couple of Russian soldiers that refuse to take part in the war, watch the film, the cell door in the back of the van has holes in it to allow air in for them to breath, but the outer door has none..
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...C-7Zf-pqEsAAAA
And who calls who "Nazi"? Les Misérables have a heck of a choice, get gassed by the home team, or get turned into seagull tucker on the local dump. The PRO and CON columns of that non trivial choice would be interesting to decipher from the natives of the outer states of the federation of light and music.
fdr is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 11:08
  #11864 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: EHEH
Posts: 438
Received 149 Likes on 50 Posts
That is without doubt not actually for real. Just a little internal propaganda to scare the conscripts.
FUMR is online now  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 11:17
  #11865 (permalink)  
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Peripatetic
Posts: 16,279
Received 927 Likes on 461 Posts


​​​​​​​Russian soldier claims there is an evacuation happening in Armiansk, Crimea. In another audio message later, he says they escorted 4 columns. And then also adds that "you will see on 28 [presumably November 28th].
ORAC is online now  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 11:31
  #11866 (permalink)  
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Peripatetic
Posts: 16,279
Received 927 Likes on 461 Posts
Nice little bridge, shame if something was to happen to it.

The Russians are planning to widen and improve the road over Arabat Spit to improve logistics to the southern area of operations. The route via Armiansk is now in HIMARS range and too dangerous for the Russians to use.


​​​​​​​

ORAC is online now  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 11:48
  #11867 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 30,935
Received 1,745 Likes on 752 Posts
Luxembourg is sending Humvee's, considering the standing Army is about 1000 and they only have 42 Humvees and about the same number of other vehicles, this is a big deal for them, and hats off to them. heck the country only has a population of 600,000

NutLoose is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 11:53
  #11868 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 30,935
Received 1,745 Likes on 752 Posts
Looks like holding the NPP might be unsustainable

NutLoose is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 12:13
  #11869 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 552
Received 11 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by ORAC
Note the bit at the end about medics and engineers - British troops being deployed to Ukraine - something not picked up and reported elsewhere..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2228763.html
....It follows the announcement by defence secretary Ben Wallace earlier this month that more than 1,000 new anti-air missiles would be provided to Ukraine. The UK is also planning to send army medics and engineers.….
I maybe wrong but it doesn't actually say they are going into Ukraine...maybe it's to Poland??
Brewster Buffalo is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 13:14
  #11870 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Philippines
Posts: 360
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by NutLoose
Luxembourg is sending Humvee's, considering the standing Army is about 1000 and they only have 42 Humvees and about the same number of other vehicles, this is a big deal for them, and hats off to them. heck the country only has a population of 600,000



https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...80053518172161
i lived in Luxemburg for 2 years and it is a wealthy country with GDP around 45 percent of Ukraines and GDP per capita vastly higher. They did suffer immensely in WW2. Good on them for this help.
ChrisJ800 is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 13:27
  #11871 (permalink)  
Tabs please !
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Biffins Bridge
Posts: 867
Received 68 Likes on 20 Posts
Originally Posted by Herod
With the temperature dropping rapidly, and many civilians without power, does anyone know of plans to send portable generators out to Ukraine?
A good friend is Ukranian and she has arranged a trailer full of humanitarian relief that set off last weekend from the UK to Kharkiv. There was at least one generator in the shipment.

If anyone reading this thread is in a position to do something similar ...........then pull your finger out and help.
B Fraser is online now  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 14:44
  #11872 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 30,935
Received 1,745 Likes on 752 Posts
You think these would be ideal and they have 1700 heaters!

https://ljacksonandco.com/product/de...i-fuel-heater/

Plus mobile field kitchens

https://army-uk.com/news_detail.php?id=352

And generators galore.

https://army-uk.com/news_detail.php?id=351

NutLoose is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 15:28
  #11873 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Southern UK
Posts: 63
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by NutLoose
You think these would be ideal and they have 1700 heaters!

https://ljacksonandco.com/product/de...i-fuel-heater/
Why on earth are we getting rid of kit that could usefully be donated to Ukraine? Seems barking mad to me.
Old_Slartibartfast is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 16:11
  #11874 (permalink)  

"Mildly" Eccentric Stardriver
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: England
Age: 76
Posts: 4,058
Received 121 Likes on 43 Posts
Originally Posted by FUMR
That is without doubt not actually for real. Just a little internal propaganda to scare the conscripts.
Says Putin?
Herod is online now  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 20:36
  #11875 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Texas
Age: 64
Posts: 6,799
Received 144 Likes on 86 Posts
Originally Posted by ORAC
Power boss asks Ukrainians to leave the country to ease burden on damaged energy network
Citizens of Ukraine have been advised to leave the country – if they can – to help reduce demand on the energy network.
Fixing the damaged infrastructure is also becoming more difficult as Ukraine has run out of equipment and spare parts. Mr Timchenko called on “partners, government officials, companies and equipment producers to help with the immediate supply of available equipment”
You still need people to do the work. I get a feeling that a bit of Mr Timchenko's message got lost in translation.
There have already been millions displaced, some internally and some across the borders.
If more people leave, might that send a signal to Mr Putin that he is succeeding? (not sure, just thinking out loud a little bit).

Last edited by Lonewolf_50; 22nd Nov 2022 at 20:49.
Lonewolf_50 is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 21:46
  #11876 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Greater Aldergrove
Age: 52
Posts: 849
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Power system damage in Ukraine

The damage being done to the power system in Ukraine is going to take years to make good.

Downing transmission lines, if the structures are being hit, is significant enough, but there are temporary measures that can be used to replace damaged towers. Damaged conductors are generally pretty easy to repair. But if transformers are being destroyed, that's a whole different game...large power transformers have a lead time measured in years, a price tag well into seven figures, and there is limited global capacity for manufacture. And in Europe, a very large proportion of the raw materials came from ... Ukraine. This war was already impacting the industry supply chain before Putin starting targeting the power system ... now, Ukraine will itself absorb manufacturing capacity to get itself back in shape post-war, whenever that is. And consider too that the rush to renewables had already stretched the supply chain before it all kicked off in Eastern Europe.

Getting mobile generation into damaged areas is important, but it will bring very local relief only. The authorities will have to decide who needs access to this generation, and it will only provide a small part of the lost supply. Someone above mentioned 1.5MVA generators as being the largest available on truck and that sounds about right...but they will only be suitable for the substation at the end of your street (in the UK, these typically operate at 11kV and up to around 1MVA). So good for local housing / schools / small industry, but not much more. A number of such machines would be needed to keep a hospital supplied, but that's before you then think about the diesel supply chain, and the operatives needed to keep it all running.

And one other big factor ... people. The power industry is currently crying out for people globally. Demand (from net zero projects) and lack of supply (power, unfairly, is not seen as a sexy career option) is causing even the big manufacturers to search far and wide for people. And locally in Ukraine, I guess many of the younger men have been moved to the front. As a power engineer, back in January I was imagining spending autumn in Kiev, helping Ukraine get back on its feet ... but there aren't that many of us to go around.

Putin knew exactly what he was doing hitting the grid, and it will take a long time to repair the damage.
NWSRG is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 23:25
  #11877 (permalink)  
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Peripatetic
Posts: 16,279
Received 927 Likes on 461 Posts
For first time in history of #Ukraine War, #Ukrainian Air Force successfully used its German supplied IRIS-T SLM anti-aircraft system to shoot-down a Su-34 strike bomber of #Russian Air and Space Force at #Bakhmut tonight. The Su-34 was heavily armed as you can see here…
ORAC is online now  
Old 22nd Nov 2022, 23:30
  #11878 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Yakima
Posts: 514
Received 114 Likes on 45 Posts
Originally Posted by ORAC
For first time in history of #Ukraine War, #Ukrainian Air Force successfully used its German supplied IRIS-T SLM anti-aircraft system to shoot-down a Su-34 strike bomber of #Russian Air and Space Force at #Bakhmut tonight. The Su-34 was heavily armed as you can see here…
Comments on the video say it's an old one, not current.
Winemaker is offline  
Old 23rd Nov 2022, 03:59
  #11879 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: aus
Posts: 1,188
Likes: 0
Received 81 Likes on 52 Posts
Uk is sending 3 seakings to Ukraine. Crews have already been trained and first is in country.

Not sure what weapons capability they have if any, but guess they would support or casevac

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63725431
rattman is offline  
Old 23rd Nov 2022, 08:57
  #11880 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 4DME
Posts: 2,799
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Is it the right time to think about aircraft museum donations, spares on ebay.
N707ZS is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.