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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 20th Nov 2022, 12:42
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Most here have heard of the Baykar drones.

Then I'll just share a picture floating around... have a great day everyone!




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Old 20th Nov 2022, 14:39
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There was a Aux Regt Squadron at Waddington that operated them during the 1980's and early 1990's.
IIRC they were retired as soon as all the captured ammo went lifex.
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When you look at it that way…..

"US spending of 5.6% of its defense budget to destroy nearly half of Russia’s conventional military capability seems like an absolutely incredible investment."

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Whether you accept the argument or not, there is a larg3 community who will forever believe it was a Russian missile and a cover-up.

Everything about the Przewodow missile strike weapon effects is consistent with a 150km(+) flight Russian land attack modified 5V55K aimed at Ukraine's power interconnect with Poland fired from Belarus.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...511932929.html

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Weathers getting bad and they are needing cold weather kit sooner than later.

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Old 20th Nov 2022, 16:25
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Damn, that makes me feel cold.

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Old 20th Nov 2022, 16:30
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Most here have heard of the Baykar drones.

Then I'll just share a picture floating around... have a great day everyone!
Ukrainian engines and a Ukrainian joint production line.

Things get built much more rapidly in wartime - welcome to Moscow in the Springtime….



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Old 20th Nov 2022, 16:34
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Whether you accept the argument or not, there is a larg3 community who will forever believe it was a Russian missile and a cover-up.



Everything about the Przewodow missile strike weapon effects is consistent with a 150km(+) flight Russian land attack modified 5V55K aimed at Ukraine's power interconnect with Poland fired from Belarus.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...511932929.html
That is a fairly compelling technical argument for the weapon type, combined with the evidence that this was during the period when Russia was targeting Ukraine's energy supplies, and the proximity of this missile hit relative to the power cables supplying Ukraine from Poland, I'd be inclined to accept that a Russian ground attack might be more probable than an errant S-300 fired from Ukraine.

I wonder why the blast versus fragmentation warhead point hasn't received more prominent attention in the media?
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 19:20
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Most doubts are because of the 159Km range, interestingly later mx had ranged up to 250Km, bringing it within range of deployed RU systems at airfields within Belarus.

Recent flights into Belarus have, reportedly, been removing S-300 SAM Mx, doesn’t mean they haven’t been replacing them with SSM warheads to target Polish-Ukraine logistics, otherwise why not remove the launchers as well?

https://weaponsystems.net/system/1417-%3E%3E48N6
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 19:29
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Why the USA, and us I suppose, should keep supporting Ukraine with military hardware. By Dr Justin Bronk of RUSI.
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 20:40
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Surrendering via drone.

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Old 20th Nov 2022, 21:17
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Ukrainian engines and a Ukrainian joint production line.
Video for a better perspective:

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Germany to offer Poland Patriot system after stray missile crash

BERLIN, Nov 20 (Reuters) - Germany has offered Warsaw the Patriot missile defence system to help it to secure its airspace after a stray missile crashed in Poland last week, Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht told a newspaper on Sunday.

The German government had already said it would offer its neighbour further help in air policing with German Eurofighters after the incident, which initially raised fears that the war in Ukraine could spill across the border.

We have offered Poland support in securing airspace - with our Eurofighters and with Patriot air defence systems," Lambrecht told the Rheinische Post and General Anzeiger.
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 23:35
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St Petersburg gas pipeline damage post fire.

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Old 21st Nov 2022, 00:13
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Russia appears to be trying to drag Belarus into their war, judging by the amateur balls ups of the past I doubt they can imbibe a sense of credibility.

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Old 21st Nov 2022, 00:33
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Says it all really re negotiations.

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Says it all really re negotiations.



https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/s...08064337301504
It just reinforces the view that appeasement is more dangerous than opposition. The missile in Poland is a missed oppotunity, given that Putin & co only respond to strength. At the least, a symbolic gesture (like Poland's Migs to Ukraine as discussed previously) would send the clear signal that the western alliance is determined. We are so open that all the dissent is provided on a plate to Moscow and a firm stance is the only thing that will make the Kremlin think again.
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Old 21st Nov 2022, 10:38
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I think that some western governments are thinking "job done" and that it's only a matter of time before Putin is no more, either as a person or as a leader. Applying the brakes, even lightly, is actually going to give him all the time he needs to strengthen and go again. Plenty of historical examples of taking the pressure off and then regretting it!
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Old 21st Nov 2022, 10:43
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Can one of you military experts tell me what these explosions are. Are they star shells to illuminate the ground or something more sinister like white phosphorus?

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Old 21st Nov 2022, 10:45
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The difference between occupation and freedom

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