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Old 18th Nov 2022, 19:06
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Warsaw has decided to bar the entry of the Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov to Poland for the OSCE ministerial meeting in Lodz on 1-2 Dec.

Russia has responded with a furious letter to OSCE…

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Not wish to be critical, but its a surrender of multiple persons in a confined space, which appears to be a little rushed/mis-managed.
So the UKR have a forward position (cameraman) and a covering position (lying MG).
The surrendering people just stroll out and lay down without any individual search or clearance of them.
An approach may have been too clear and secure each one as they emerged, ie hands up and walk towards, then after clearing them - remove them to the rear of the UKR line, at least backcuffed. Being covered as they exit (presumedly from the build door) in an X config with covering fire available from the lying mg.
No hands up means offensive so....
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Originally Posted by cura
Not wish to be critical, but its a surrender of multiple persons in a confined space, which appears to be a little rushed/mis-managed.
So the UKR have a forward position (cameraman) and a covering position (lying MG).
The surrendering people just stroll out and lay down without any individual search or clearance of them.
An approach may have been too clear and secure each one as they emerged, ie hands up and walk towards, then after clearing them - remove them to the rear of the UKR line, at least backcuffed. Being covered as they exit (presumedly from the build door) in an X config with covering fire available from the lying mg.
No hands up means offensive so....
If only it was so easy…..
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Old 18th Nov 2022, 23:27
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Originally Posted by ICATQ
If only it was so easy…..
Spur of the moment? I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 00:57
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Warsaw has decided to bar the entry of the Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov to Poland for the OSCE ministerial meeting in Lodz on 1-2 Dec.

Russia has responded with a furious letter to OSCE…

https://youtu.be/z4uivPpzCGo
if various countries are now announcing that Russia is a terrorist state, does that not revoke their diplomatic status in those countries, and could it then result in the likes of Lavrov’s extradition or arrest by them?
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 15:33
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Meanwhile in Russia someone's been careless with the matches again.

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Old 19th Nov 2022, 15:54
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As I suspected, Russian authorities confirm that the gas grid got attacked in St. Petersburg. It must have happened in the forests East of Murino. Russia has there high pressure gas pipelines which also feed the gas power station near Lavriki. …

​​​​​​​Source is the governor of the Leningrad Oblast. …
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 16:20
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Originally Posted by Wokkafans
Meanwhile in Russia someone's been careless with the matches again.



https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...JnaN5kY_qOzWeg

Who would have thought that firing missiles at a neighbour in order to win their hearts and minds by denying them light, & heat, would result in OH&SA violations in the shooters home towns. Golly. Gonna be a cold miserable winter in the Rodina. Sad.

One would think that the same karma issue comes up if Vlad and his merry crims make a mess at the ZNPP, the home team would have to think about their own NPPs being well set upwind of most of their major cities.

Personally, would like to see the carriers of the hammer 'n sickle back on their own turf, that is the bit near by Rostov, the bits that don't say "Ukraine" on them other than on Vlad's cartographic efforts.

A blood red flag over the crimlin seems to be fitting, as is the azure sky over golden fields of grain on the Ukrainians flag. If Vlads stormtroopers don't want to go home having enjoyed the hospitality of Ukraine, then the next rendition of the Ukrainian flag may need to have blue over a field of sunflowers to reflect the enrichment of Ukraines lands by the donor hordes from the north.
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 16:33
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One thing that has been missing from the publicly available reports I've seen is an assessment of the level of internal opposition within Russia to this war. Every war always has some within the aggressor state that object to the actions of their government, and very often some of those that object to their ruler's objectives choose to take direct action. We had saboteurs in the UK during both recent world wars and the French resistance played a significant part in defeating Nazi Germany. We have seen a few unexplained explosions within Russia, but there seems to be very little information as to whether these were accidents, the result of Russian partisans that object to Putin's actions or whether they are Ukrainian special forces operating covertly within Russia. There may even be a slim chance that there are groups from former Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact states that are acting as saboteurs within Russia.

If this carries on, I wonder how long it will be before someone very close to Putin, like Sergei Shoigu, takes a bullet for him, or suffers from a forced defenestration?
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 17:49
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First train into Kherson, pushing a flatbed in front of the engine, checking for mines or derailment points?

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Old 19th Nov 2022, 17:57
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Himars strikes onto the railways infrastructure near Ilovaisk Railway station, a main hub for Russia

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Old 19th Nov 2022, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Rockie_Rapier
A fascinating look at Putin and how his mind works with regards to the Ukraine invasion from Fiona Hill. .
FFS, a 3 hour youtube? No, that's rude. Learn how to start the link at the moment that the point she is making shows up.
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 03:11
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Rockie_Rapier, you can't please everyone, I found her thoughts extremely interesting and insightful, not something where you could take a one minute "grab" and post.
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U.K. to provide 125 anti aircraft guns and radar, do we actually have anti aircraft guns bar the GPMG or I presume miniguns?

Personally I find it rather ironic that the world developed more and more expensive missile systems to sink ships or destroy targets resulting in more and more expensive missiles to take them down, or the likes of phalanx gun.
Then along comes a really cheap suicide drone that can be easily produced in their thousands and launched in their hundreds which although they can be destroyed by the expensive missiles, show up a glaring problem in both missile cost and resupply due to production lead times.
So it’s time to again dust off the relatively cheap and basic bullet, sorry GDT peeps, rounds, and machine gun.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...ed4fa0d4b9b79b

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Old 20th Nov 2022, 07:20
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Didn't the UK "Acquire" some radar controlled twin 35mm systems during the 1982 Southern Hemisphere unpleasantness? Thought they'd be in a museum somewhere but needs must......
Other than that, we did have a lot of .50 Brownings in various models.
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Didn't the UK "Acquire" some radar controlled twin 35mm systems during the 1982 Southern Hemisphere unpleasantness? Thought they'd be in a museum somewhere but needs must......
Other than that, we did have a lot of .50 Brownings in various models.
Skyguard Radars are still used for EW training and for other stuff. The Guns however went to museums a long time ago. I suspect the UK has been buying other people kit to give to Ukraine (like the 105mm guns we gave them).
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Looking at the latest UK Defence Intelligence update, I'm not sure who gains from the release of such analysis?
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 11:18
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Originally Posted by Fortyodd2
Didn't the UK "Acquire" some radar controlled twin 35mm systems during the 1982 Southern Hemisphere unpleasantness? Thought they'd be in a museum somewhere but needs must......
Other than that, we did have a lot of .50 Brownings in various models.
i think my Regiment son had those Argy cannon at Scampton 1983.
sorry abt bolding
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 11:26
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If you are interested in an in-depth discussion on the war in Ukraine, on why we need to continue supplying arms, its historical context and what may be the probable outcomes, may I recommend this debate between three eminent historians; Max Hastings, Margaret MacMillan and Peter Frankopan. It is an intelligent debate between knowledgeable civilised people. I think you will find it very informative.

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Old 20th Nov 2022, 12:29
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
i think my Regiment son had those Argy cannon at Scampton 1983.
sorry abt bolding
There was a Aux Regt Squadron at Waddington that operated them during the 1980's and early 1990's. The Radars all went to Spadeadam after that.
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