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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 16:00
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I seriously hope they can fix this, he does not deserve that





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That's disgusting. Pity the new Russian conscripts about to be thrown into the meatgrinder. Doubt anyone is going to care much what happens to them.
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Join the Russian Army.......... and tic tock your way through life..

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Originally Posted by ORAC
If it’s an air burst and the fireball doesn’t touch the ground the fallout is minuscule and troops in armour can drive through the area in a couple of hours and infantry the next day. Take Hiroshima as an example.

https://www.city.hiroshima.lg.jp/site/english/9809.html
ORAC; quite true, when the device works. What in the last 7 months gives confidence that anything from Russia will work as advertised? What has been maintained, has been calibrated and inspected, checked? Watching S-300's doing home comings gives little confidence that complex systems have been kept any better than rotting tyres, and life exceeded cannon barrels. The Russians at Chernobyl and at Zaporizhzhia gave no evidence that they comprehend or care about the risks related to anything other than vodka, and not even that.
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Thought they’d used those up on the Luhansk press-ganged conscripts. Wonder how many they have in stock - and who all the AK-47s/74s got sold off too…

Russian conscripts get Nagant/Mosin rifles, designed in 1890/91, and obsolete already at the times of WWII.
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 16:50
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Any use of a nuke is a red line, and you cannot let that slide period!
I wish people would stop using the word “Tactical” as if a “Tactical” nuclear weapon is ok, it’s a nuke period, and any nuclear weapon, regardless of size is NOT acceptable in any shape or form.
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Using Nuke/nukes in Europe alone is a deceleration of war,
Are you referring to using a nuclear weapon against Ukraine?
I do not believe that they need a declaration to understand that they are at war, nor have they needed one since about 24 February 2022.
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 17:01
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Thought they’d used those up on the Luhansk press-ganged conscripts. Wonder how many they have in stock - and who all the AK-47s/74s got sold off too…



Russian conscripts get Nagant/Mosin rifles, designed in 1890/91, and obsolete already at the times of WWII.
As per that later post from the guy correcting the first photo, LDNR units with sniper PU scoped Mosin's have been seen in early days of the Russian invasion and these appear to be fresh out of the storage crate PU snipers as well. They had 1000's still in storage. If you have been trained (not a certainty here of course) a factory fresh PU Mosin is still a very effective sniper rifle out to 600-700m range, and the 7.62x54R round will ruin your day at that range quite happily.
They do have a big drawback in that they have a ferocious muzzle blast, so not ideal on a modern (one side at least) battlefield.
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The Russians made it clear they were talking about using them on the west and BPF put it better, and even if they used it in Ukraine it would effect the west and I believe trigger article 5.

If Russia uses a nuke of any size anywhere and there is not an overwhelming kinetic response from NATO then the nuclear taboo has been broken and you have enabled all the despots who have or are working towards nuclear weapons to use them. This would be an existential moment for the West.

If there is no action why would China not use tactical nukes on Taiwan or Pakistan on India?. It is the ultimate terror weapon
The only way you will ever prevent WW3 is to let the other side know that if they ever use a nuclear weapon we will respond in kind, it is that principal that has kept the Genie in the bottle all these years, without that assumed mutual destruction preventing the other side using nuclear weapons you are inviting Armageddon.

Having been on QRA with live weapons, as other on here no doubt have, the thought of ever launching them was frightening, but it was reassuring to know that we never would do that unless the other side did first, and one assumes that they viewed it the same way.

That and that alone is the only thing keeping the lid on them and long may it remain, no one wins.
Hence I stand by what I said, the only response is an equal response… saying we would launch a full blown conventional attack on Russia and all its bases WOULD bring on WW3 regardless.

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Agree...how would the west respond to a tactical nuke? If responding in kind, then surely it has to be a cruise missile...ICBMs just raise the game massively, whether sub or land based. And what is the target? If it is within Russia, then the ICBMs may come from the east!
If the first strike is on some remote woodland or Snake Island, the obvious retaliation target would be the Sochi Mansion.
And to not involve NATO, just provide now the UKR with a couple of nuclear-tipped ATACMS rockets without the keys, so they are ready to retaliate in minutes should the need arise. Let the World know, and UKR now has their own deterrence without breaking the NPT.
And yes, the fallout of a tactical nuke would be a tiny fraction of Chernobyl's, that's why the Russians are not as afraid of nukes as we are.
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Just a copy from the Rumours and News thread. No guarantee of its validity.

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/2...ion-subpoenas/
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Originally Posted by Petit-Lion
And yes, the fallout of a tactical nuke would be a tiny fraction of Chernobyl's, that's why the Russians are not as afraid of nukes as we are.
The Russians believe that retaliation for a nuclear strike of theirs would only be a tactical one ?
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 18:39
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General Mark Hertling.

Putin's announced mobilization of 300,000 "reservists" was jaw-dropping to me this morning, but not for the reason some might suspect.

Why? Because know how Russian soldiers are trained, in basic training & in their units.

A brief 🧵 on some fun facts. 1/
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Originally Posted by Herod
Just a copy from the Rumours and News thread. No guarantee of its validity.

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/2...ion-subpoenas/
taking out the reserve airlift capability to go and fill body bags while using up the stocks of Mosin-Nagant's seems like a great plan IMHO. The guys in the airlines are smart enough to know when to declare a "mayday" and divert. Alternates to Putin exist within the Ukraine, and the need for civil air transport involving Russia seems to be diminishing rapidly. Bring white cloth to aid your departures guys.
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There was palpable frustration in the Russian media that many in the West misunderstood what Putin said⁠—he was threatening the West, not Ukraine, with nuclear strikes.

And so, droves of propagandists have been sent out to tell the West: push us into a corner and everybody dies.
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
They do have a big drawback in that they have a ferocious muzzle blast, so not ideal on a modern (one side at least) battlefield.
The major problem with the Mosin is that the bolt design doesn't allow for rapid fire. But as a sniper or long range engagement weapon is is really very, very, good.

I have never witnessed a "frocious muzzle blast" when firing tha Mosin.

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Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2
The major problem with the Mosin is that the bolt design doesn't allow for rapid fire. But as a sniper or long range engagement weapon is is really very, very, good.
Agreed, provided the user is adequately trained/skilled. Otherwise it’s just ‘rounds down range … GO’.

A Bisley acquaintance of mine was seriously effective in ‘Stan. These people would just burn rounds to no effect.
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Originally Posted by Herod
Just a copy from the Rumours and News thread. No guarantee of its validity.

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/2...ion-subpoenas/
So if they are not more “selective” in their selection process they will put their country back into the dark ages, 50 to 80% of their airline staff will kill travel around their country, I read somewhere of a steel mill that was being temporarily shut down as 500 staff were being conscripted, steel mills need skilled labour, you cannot simply fill it with unskilled labour and fire it back up again, repeat this across the board and kill these people on the fields of Ukraine and your state simply cannot function. Mass conscription narrowly targeted is a disaster in the making.
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Aviation content, A321 cockpit with "INOP" stickers...

Not sure if this is the correct thread but this is what war brought to Russia.

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China seems to have picked what they see as the winning side…

China’s foreign minister tells his Ukrainian counterpart, Dmytro Kuleba, that China respects Ukraine’s sovereignty & territorial integrity & rejects force.

This on the day when referendums begin in Russian-held areas of Ukraine on whether to link up with Russia. Watch out, Putin!
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Got a call this morning from big US corporate I'm doing work for... I'm not in Russia for now but still use my custom [email protected] (near enough) email address for most stuff.

Nice lady says she is sorry but management have deemed the use of .ru email addresses a threat to the reputation of the business and could I use something else (like gmail) as they can't allow any correspondence to any .ru entity.

OK, I agreed, but afterwards thought.. this is going way way beyond what I imagined.

Other news... Friends in Moscow many are quite scared naturally, some even that I thought would shrug off much of this. One or two are leaving (Georgia) but vast majority staying put. My old secretary (iron lady) is freaking out and I'm trying to calm her down almost as we speak.





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Originally Posted by Pali
Aviation content, A321 cockpit with "INOP" stickers...

Not sure if this is the correct thread but this is what war brought to Russia.
This has been handled here already, latest was yesterday. That video has been on Reddit in January already and the AC has been sitting in Tallinn, Estonia since 2021. In essence prior to the sanctions.
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