Is Ukraine about to have a war?
Allegedly russian hackers stole an american breifing/targetting document. Cant seem to find much online about it
https://archive.ph/IsmH2
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Allegedly russian hackers stole an american breifing/targetting document. Cant seem to find much online about it
https://archive.ph/IsmH2
https://archive.ph/IsmH2
It's dated information and provides observations but not sources, other than in the most vague of respects ("reliable local sources" etc).
Isn't this more likely for the consumption of Russian theatre level units and the general public in Russia? A window into just how much intelligence The West/Ukraine has regarding Russian units/movements?
Ultimately, who would the public knowledge of such a comprehensive targeting list impact the most? Those who already had the knowledge or, say, 300k Russian men with prior military experience, currently being driven towards a few of those coordinates?
Or faked, The "Beregini" pro-russian hacking group claimed to have stolen the document. Note its old and also the group has been caught forging stuff before. If it is true and an american document. Imagine what damage could have been done if UA had the resources to service everything listed
Using nukes will not work for them as this escalates the war to a global level beyond the Russian government's control and leading to immediate "major" western reactions. And nukes will upset China being downwind and needing all those agricultural lands on the long run. Until now the Russian government seems to still move controlled and in limited ways with much of the crazy rhetorics meant for domestic consumption. .
ARABLE LAND
GREEN: ARABLE
MAGENTA: CURRENT TRACK ABANDONED ARABLE LAND
GRAY: OTHER USE LAND
Essentially, someone in Russia needs to get their head out from between their buttocks, and look at what is downwind of their threatened escalatory efforts. As we have said for the last 6 months, making a mess at a NPP in Ukraine is going to be bad news for Russia, let alone Ukraine. Not brilliant for Europe, as then we in Europe will need to decide if we would be providing food and shelter to Russians after they have destroyed their own habitat. Any radiological release in the area around Ukraine will impact the most productive land in Russia and the other CIS states in the south and east, as well as Russia. I really think that playing with matches around the NPPs, or threatening tactical nukes is not a desirable action for Russia, for Russian interests, let alone Ukrainian, European, Chinese and probably Indian as well.
Nuking anyone seems to be counterproductive, making Ukraine uninhabitable for a few thousand years doesn't achieve the goal of the land grab of Putin and his kleptocrats, or achieve his 401K payout, from release of international sanctions.
What is the probability that any other country will take a Russian refugee over a Ukrainian one if Russia has made both uninhabitable?
On a release of a nuke, or the destruction of an NPP, or destroying major water reservoirs, what is the likelihood that any of Russia's foreign reserves will not be forwarded towards the Ukrainians for their recovery efforts?
None of the above supports escalation by Russia. The least losses for either side is for the termination of hostilities and the withdrawal of Russian troops while they don't need body bags. They have the remnants of air lift at present to do that relatively efficiently, before the deep freeze of their troops occurs. Russia is looking at Moscow '41 and Stalingrad '42 conditions for their troops, doesn't seem to be much in the way of arctic gear amongst the debris left behind after their "strategic relocation".
Given a truly free election with people that have proven residence in the Donbas and Crimea, and giving the dead a right to object to being murdered by Russia, I doubt that the 1991 referendum figures would be any better for secession and joining Russia, and probably much worse, the locals have been reminded of Russia's care of it's citizens.
Actually that graphic neatly highlights what is up for grabs for Russia in Ukraine in terms of arable land. Russia really is poorly provided for given its overall size.
I'm not sure a tactical nuke or two would have much impact on this; their effects would be very much localised (obviously depending on their yields, ground or air-burst etc). Also, I assume a good portion of this was previously contaminated by Chernobyl, with little long term consequence (one hopes..).
I'm not sure a tactical nuke or two would have much impact on this; their effects would be very much localised (obviously depending on their yields, ground or air-burst etc). Also, I assume a good portion of this was previously contaminated by Chernobyl, with little long term consequence (one hopes..).
Or faked, The "Beregini" pro-russian hacking group claimed to have stolen the document. Note its old and also the group has been caught forging stuff before. If it is true and an american document. Imagine what damage could have been done if UA had the resources to service everything listed
As far as "leaking" info to the Russians goes... that certainly could be a planned leak to give Russia a heads up about their need to buy more space on the Lada production lines. Having more Russians within Ukraine would seem to be more opportunity for targeting, more demand on resources of Russia, more demand on logistics of Russia, and more demand on the patience of those that Vlad sends to die for Dr Evil's grand and cunning master plan. Also, more demand for body bags for #200's going back to Russia or rotting out in freight cars around Belgorod and other exotic resting places. These reports are meaningless tactically within hours of release, but they sure would make anyone wonder what their life expectancy is sitting in a Truck or a T-72, or around a SAM site. There is a few people in the back room doing the support on that little list, great to see!
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Actually that graphic neatly highlights what is up for grabs for Russia in Ukraine in terms of arable land. Russia really is poorly provided for given its overall size.
I'm not sure a tactical nuke or two would have much impact on this; their effects would be very much localised (obviously depending on their yields, ground or air-burst etc). Also, I assume a good portion of this was previously contaminated by Chernobyl, with little long term consequence (one hopes..).
I'm not sure a tactical nuke or two would have much impact on this; their effects would be very much localised (obviously depending on their yields, ground or air-burst etc). Also, I assume a good portion of this was previously contaminated by Chernobyl, with little long term consequence (one hopes..).
As far as being up for grabs, Russia was an importer of tech, steel, and food from Ukraine, and they go and attack them. D'oh. The Russians always have dirt to eat.
Kazakhstan is a major agriculture country, behind Russia but still impressive. Of course, Kazakhs seem to have had their fill of Putin. Belarus is also a major food producer, and their current sychophantic dear leader, the last dictator of Europe by his own description, has managed to get a popularity of 15% or lower. His slavish obsequiousness to Vlad is impressive, will be looking shaky when Vlad has an accident cleaning windows or when his car suffers from smoking.
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FDR I posted a link a while back showing what crops are grown where in Russia and hence a nuke on Ukraine would irradiate their own food production, not a good idea.
Remember this, the ONLY area that posted to leave Ukraine was Sevastopol which as it is Russian Military, it would, and 54% of Crimea voted to remain in Ukraine, that's Brexit numbers. So there is no need for fake Referendum's
Remember this, the ONLY area that posted to leave Ukraine was Sevastopol which as it is Russian Military, it would, and 54% of Crimea voted to remain in Ukraine, that's Brexit numbers. So there is no need for fake Referendum's
Actually that graphic neatly highlights what is up for grabs for Russia in Ukraine in terms of arable land. Russia really is poorly provided for given its overall size.
Arable land is a plus +
Oil and gas reserves a plus each ++
Industrial heartland in Donbas +
Recreation of mythical Novorussiya +
Control of Black Sea +
Added land barrier before Moscow +
The more the merrier.
Just a shame about a fewmillion sub-humans who will have to be moved out of the way.
Oil and gas reserves a plus each ++
Industrial heartland in Donbas +
Recreation of mythical Novorussiya +
Control of Black Sea +
Added land barrier before Moscow +
The more the merrier.
Just a shame about a few
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
I'm not sure a tactical nuke or two would have much impact on this; their effects would be very much localised (obviously depending on their yields, ground or air-burst etc).
https://www.city.hiroshima.lg.jp/site/english/9809.html
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I seriously hope they can fix this, he does not deserve that
This is the price of Russia's captivity. Released Mariupol defender Mykhailo "the Pianist" Dianov's arm needs urgent surgeries after Russia gave him zero to no medical care he so badly needed. Pic via Violetta Kirtoka
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Hmmmmm...
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I think, that the western countries shall immediately expell all children of Russian oligarchs and Duma members, so they are available for mobilisation, which their fathers voted for
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BBC News channel ...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63005406
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Russia's defence ministry has revealed a host of occupations that will be exempted from conscription aimed at boosting its war effort in Ukraine. IT workers, bankers and journalists working for state media will escape the "partial mobilisation" announced by President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday.
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