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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 15th Nov 2022, 18:31
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Ok got the city wrong but it may have been going for the power infrastructure.

US officials have now noted that the missiles that hit Poland were indeed Russian and 2 people have been killed. The question is does Russia killing two people on nato territory evoke any sort of response. “Defend every inch of nato territory”
Statement from Estonia regarding situation in Poland “Latest news from Poland is most concerning. We are consulting closely with Poland and other Allies. Estonia is ready to defend every inch of NATO territory. We’re in full solidarity with our close ally Poland”
This Could be worrying unless it is to intercept others, or as a precaution.


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“Polish Air Force launched fighter jets from the airfield in Tomaszów Lubelski” Unconfirmed

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Old 15th Nov 2022, 19:02
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US National Security Council spokesperson:

“We've seen these reports out of Poland and are working with the Polish government to gather more information.”

”We cannot confirm the reports or any of the details at this time. We will determine what happened and what the appropriate next steps would be.”
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interesting times we live in..

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Old 15th Nov 2022, 19:11
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Seems increasingly likely it was deliberate…

Head of RT Margarita Simonyan: "Now Poland has its own Belgorod region. What did you expect?"
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Old 15th Nov 2022, 19:50
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Express reports 🇷🇺Russians planned to sabotage the mile-long floating pipeline that delivers fuel to Ascension Island from tankers offshore.

Ascension is a remote island with airbase & 🇬🇧🇺🇸 signals intelligence / space tracking gathering station.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...pipeline-putin
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Russkies are hallusinating: Former Kremlin advisor Sergei Markov claims that Poland started World War II due to its "arrogance and self-confidence" and warns that Poland could now start World War III for the same reasons


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Location, location and location…

Russian missiles hit Polish Przewodow directly at the electricity power line which connects the EU with Ukraine, close to Dobrotvirska power plant in Ukraine, an important energy hub. Map: courtesy of ENTSO-E, the EU organization of electricity network operators.



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Old 15th Nov 2022, 20:16
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Russkies are hallusinating: Former Kremlin advisor Sergei Markov claims that Poland started World War II due to its "arrogance and self-confidence" and warns that Poland could now start World War III for the same reasons

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/statu...03091274149888
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Markov claims that Poland’s Russophobia prevented the Soviet Army from exerting full control and gave Nazi Germany an opening to invade Poland
Well that's pretty interesting, since Russia and Germany signed a non-aggression pact August 23, 1939, and Germany invaded Poland September 1, 1939. That sort of seems to me like Russia gave the Germans an opening to invade...... And now the Nazis control Ukraine......

Are the Russians insane?
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Old 15th Nov 2022, 20:26
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About 40km worth of "close to"....I hope it's a case of finger trouble....
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Old 15th Nov 2022, 20:32
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Meanwhile, in Kherson…

Poorly equipped mobilised Russian troops on the left bank of the Dnieper, south of Kherson, have abandoned their positions in the face of Ukrainian mortar and drone attacks against which they have no defence….

Mobilised soldiers from Smolensk oblast say they were sent from place to place to dig trenches, building fortifications from old Soviet slabs. The men were not informed by their superiors of the Ukrainian recapture of Kherson.

The men were equipped with only old short-range weapons – Kalashnikov and Mosin rifles and grenade launchers. They were defenceless against mortar and drone attacks and were shelled while "doing their everyday business" (going to the toilet?), causing deaths.

They had no communication with their leadership or even between units. The men say that after suffering more Ukrainian drone attacks, "There was nothing we could do at all. We were just taking casualties, so the decision was made to pull back" /end

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Strange it happens while the G19 is going on and all the World Leaders are away from their home bases.

Ukraine war latest: Poland raising readiness of military units after Russian missiles feared to have hit NATO territory; experts suggest likely response

An emergency meeting has been called by leaders after a US official said Russian missiles had struck NATO member Poland, amid a "massive" barrage of airstrikes across Ukraine; China and India indicate they may have started to distance themselves from Russia.

Polish president in call with Biden now

Polish President Andrzej Duda is now talking to his US counterpart Joe Biden, the head of Poland's National Security said.

It was confirmed by the White House a few moments ago that President Biden had been briefed on the reports out of Poland.

President Biden is currently in Bali, Indonesia, where it is late into the night.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...#liveblog-body
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Strange it happens while the G19 is going on and all the World Leaders are away from their home bases.






https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...#liveblog-body
I think the only response is a tit for tat escalation. They fire 2, NATO fires 4 back at a military target. With a clear message that it will be escalated each time.
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I think first they need to confirm exactly whose and what it was, for all we know it could have been a defensive missile gone astray,

I wonder why the Polish defence system never picked it up such as the Sky Sabre we have stationed there.
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Old 15th Nov 2022, 21:40
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
I think the only response is a tit for tat escalation. They fire 2, NATO fires 4 back at a military target. With a clear message that it will be escalated each time.
If NATO retaliates with any military action whatsoever then there would probably be no turning back. I may be wrong but the decision is probably black or white as to whether it was an accident or not.
The glimmer of hope is that they are denying it.
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NATO has called an Article 4 meeting for all members on Wednesday morning at the request of the Polish government.
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Old 15th Nov 2022, 22:54
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Confirmed russia

On November 15, 2022, another massive shelling of the entire territory of Ukraine and its critical infrastructure, conducted by the armed forces of the Russian Federation, took place for many hours. At 15:40 in the village of Przewodów in the Hrubieszów poviat in the Lubelskie Voivodship, a Russian-made missile fell, killing two citizens of the Republic of Poland. In connection with this event, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Zbigniew Rau, summoned the ambassador of the Russian Federation to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and demanded immediate detailed explanations.
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I'm thinking it was an accident - not even Putin is dumb enough to directly attack a NATO country. And we already know that a lot of the Russian equipment is not exactly up to snuff. Either a malfunction, or someone experienced 'fat fingers' during targeting.
Given a shooting war is in progress, such mistakes are not unheard of. Remember that NATO accidently bombed the Chinese Embassy during Serbia...
Personally I'm more concerned about Russia continuing to target civilian infrastructure far from the frontlines...
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What on earth are the Russians using, old AS-4s and AS-6s??
It is seems they hit a barn, could it be the terminal guidance locking on the biggest object around, in this case a barn? Would be in line with these old missile capabilities since they were made to strike ships and carriers over flat surfaces (ocean).
Things are going to go pear shaped quickly if they don't calm down.
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Old 16th Nov 2022, 00:06
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Originally Posted by tdracer
I'm thinking it was an accident - not even Putin is dumb enough to directly attack a NATO country.

Agree to me either it was a Ukrainian S300 that went dumb and tragically killed 2 farmers, russian S300 dont have the range. Or it was a russian KH-101 that either went dumb and landed in poland again tragically killing 2 farmers or it was only partially intercepted and crashed killing 2 farmers. This should be easily proved by examining the wreckage. Russia would not be dumb enough to directly attack poland.

Also note that russian telegrams were reporting that one of the missiles launched in the strike landed on russian soil and killed 4 and wounded 6 russian citizens (real russia on fake russia)

Remember that NATO accidently bombed the Chinese Embassy during Serbia...
Yeah 'accidently'
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
I think the only response is a tit for tat escalation. They fire 2, NATO fires 4 back at a military target. With a clear message that it will be escalated each time.
i dont see offensive retaliation as the rignt move but a defenive boost by NATO in Polish border areas by deploying air defense systems and declaration of a no fly zone in the part of Ukraine airspace thart borders Poland.
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